Starmer is satisfying Lab councillors except on one topic. – politicalbetting.com
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Bags of Sleeping, pleaserottenborough said:
It's a disgrace that people are sleeping out in the open in tents.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
They should only be allowed a thin sleeping bag.
We have enough bigotry on here0 -
What's even weirder is that this same administration, during covid, protected the homeless by introducing measures to "bring them in".nico679 said:Poor Charles having to read out what crap no 10 is going to offer for the next 12 months .
I suppose he should feel relieved because the stain on humanity had originally thought of just culling the homeless , instead she’ll just hope for a freezing winter to finish them off .
The Everyone In initiative
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9057/
It's like the normal hate for anyone who has the audacity to fall through the cracks was put on hold during the pandemic but now it is back.1 -
Beyond the tipping point, any such argument (in the pocket of the SNP, the left wing etc) becomes an argument to give him MORE MPs, not to prevent him getting there in the first place.MattW said:
I'd make two points:stodge said:
I seem to recall all this nonsense being trotted out before 1997. If Blair won, so it went, he would be a prisoner of the radical Left who would win enough seats to prevent "New" Labour governing effectively.FrankBooth said:
If Labour gets 350-400 MPs the reality is we know precious little about many of these people.MattW said:
One of his remaining issues is that there are still 35 MPs listed as being in the Socialist Campaign Group.isam said:
I’d say so - the slightly right of centre types who Sir Keir is trying to attract aren’t going to be put off voting Labour by a load of Islamic councillors quitting over PalestineMattW said:On the header, I wonder if a steady trickle of these types of Councillor defenestrating themselves is a plus for Mr Starmer?
Though it now allows in all MPs, not just Labour MPs - perhaps to protect Mr Corbyn?
Not sure how many "independents" are in it - I make it Claudia Webbe, Andy McDonald, Jeremy Corbyn so far.
419 MPs later...the reason why New Labour didn't govern effectively was nothing to do with "the Left".
1 - It is not clear that Mr Starmer will get anything like that many MPs.
2 - The more recent example of an extreme faction is the last 8-9 years of Conservative Governments, and that did not exactly prove their lack-of-influence.0 -
I see UNISON have settled. £1925 pa rise for the very lowest paid local government workers.
Yet more pressure on school budgets.
And a vast majority of that will be clawed back in tax and withdrawal of UC from teaching assistants.
So. A pay rise nominally of 9.25%. The workers gain relatively little. Probably nearer 2-4% after tax and benefits. The schools lose a lot, cos they have to find the entire amount.
But the government loses net relatively little. A lot less than inflation.0 -
Star Fucking Wars!Luckyguy1983 said:
Chariots of Fire:Leon said:
OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)viewcode said:@isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.
How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)
I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)
The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)
And
Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)
https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV
Sublime
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This, I think also qualifies.
https://variety.com/2005/film/columns/the-perfect-pic-alignment-1117922805/0 -
Taking into account the tax and UC. Take into account inflation too, and it may be close to zero.dixiedean said:I see UNISON have settled. £1925 pa rise for the very lowest paid local government workers.
Yet more pressure on school budgets.
And a vast majority of that will be clawed back in tax and withdrawal of UC from teaching assistants.
So. A pay rise nominally of 9.25%. The workers gain relatively little. Probably nearer 2-4% after tax and benefits. The schools lose a lot, cos they have to find the entire amount.
But the government loses net relatively little.0 -
The band has an interesting history. They had a big hit in 1988 (particularly in Australia) with Underneath The Radar.CatMan said:Anyway, Underworld - Born Slippy is the ultimate 90s song
https://youtu.be/XiMrrleH_hI?si=i_KVHZZI2ROAmreW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br8AvTqZ0w4
The band's previous incarnation was Fleur, who had an interesting minor hit in 1983 with Doot Doot.
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Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/17205404658317685270 -
Lara’s Theme from Doctor Zhivago must be up there. A bit cheesy but a great choongeoffw said:
ok then, the soundtrack to Elvira MadiganLeon said:
Fair enoughgeoffw said:
To be the best I think it has to be
Original to the film
Perfectly suited to the film
But also music you would listen to by itself without the film
I was about to say Cavatina in the Deer Hunter but it turns out that has a more complex history:
“Cavatina" is a 1970 classical guitar piece by British composer Stanley Myers based on music originally written for the soundtrack of the film The Walking Stick (1970). After Myers expanded the piece and it was recorded by guitarist John Williams, "Cavatina" was popularized as the theme from the 1978 film The Deer Hunter.”
(Wiki)
I've listened to that dozens of times
edit - Pfft not actually written for the film!
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Yeah.carnforth said:
Taking into account the tax and UC. Take into account inflation too, and it may be close to zero.dixiedean said:I see UNISON have settled. £1925 pa rise for the very lowest paid local government workers.
Yet more pressure on school budgets.
And a vast majority of that will be clawed back in tax and withdrawal of UC from teaching assistants.
So. A pay rise nominally of 9.25%. The workers gain relatively little. Probably nearer 2-4% after tax and benefits. The schools lose a lot, cos they have to find the entire amount.
But the government loses net relatively little.
It's a real terms cut.
Any extra take home is a reduction at 55(!!)p in the pound off UC.
Talk about marginal tax rates for those on £100k!1 -
Yes, they’re a thing. NextStark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/17205404658317685270 -
1. That's bollocks, we give out food boxes at my Citizens Advice but only when people are way up shit creek and basically faced with stealing or going hungry for a period.carnforth said:
Counterpoints:Benpointer said:
Whatever. My three points still remain unanswered though.carnforth said:
What on earth does the total GDP have to do with it? The per capita figure, sure.Benpointer said:
Things that trouble me deeply:Malmesbury said:
To pick something up, because you see someone else going for it, and then getting cold feet later, is a pattern of human behaviour.dixiedean said:
My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.Malmesbury said:
The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.Carnyx said:
Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.ohnotnow said:
Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.Benpointer said:
??ohnotnow said:
If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.Benpointer said:
Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?TheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
People are strange. They are shy about what they don’t know.
Helping break down that shyness, that haven’t-done-this-before, without humiliation is also a very human thing. Different things fit different people.
1. The growth of food banks over the past 15 years.
2. That a family with both parents working full-time can't live without UC or similar support.
3. That we subsidise BTL owners through Housing Benefit or UC housing element.
...
I could go on.
All these in the nation that has the 6th largest economy in the world.
1. Supply-driven due to Cameron allowing vouchers to be handed out at job centres not just by GPs and social workers. Hence the proliferation of the Trussel trust. Also self-perpetuating: the shame of asking for help is diminished when other people are doing it. This reduction in societal shame is probably a good thing.
2. Two parents in min wage full time jobs would have a gross income of £34000. Won't wash in London, but fine oop north.
3. We're subsidising the tenant.
(I won't claim to be sure about any of these, but since you asked....)
2. Down here in leafy Dorset two adults working full-time on minimum wage with two children renting a 3 bed flat will be getting help via UC for that rent, despite their earnings. Now you may say the UC rules are too generous but not many share that view.
3. We're subsidising the owners - they get the rent.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12291361/Homeless-rebuild-tented-city-Londons-Park-Lane-just-yards-Dorchester-Hotel.htmlStark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Nothing compared with the US, though.0 -
I'm going to an immersive playback of Steven Wilson's new spatial audio mix of Yes's The Yes Album on Tuesday.RochdalePioneers said:Modern music? I have to put in a word for Steven Wilson's The Harmony Codex (my avatar). Its his OK Computer - brilliantly simple yet fiendishly complicated. Several bits of it are practically orgasmic.
Geek bits. SW says listen to the album in Atmos on Apple Music (after attacking iPods in the past). Yes it sounds spectacular in pseudo-Atmos. But Apple Music's interface is sheissen compared to Spotify. So I'm not going to pay extra dollah for it.1 -
Are people living in them? Yes.Stark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Are they upsetting the DM readers? Not so much round here as they tend to be tucked away out of sight.1 -
Not Fire Chariots then? Leon will be happy.Luckyguy1983 said:
Chariots of Fire:Leon said:
OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)viewcode said:@isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.
How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)
I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)
The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)
And
Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)
https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV
Sublime
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8a-HfNE3EIo0 -
The £1925 is also pro rata for those in education.
Not sure why statutory holidays, set by the government, means doing a 38 hour week means you are paid for 32?
Simply take on more overtime hours is the usual government response. In a workplace which is closed by legislation?0 -
You live in fucking DorsetBenpointer said:
Are people living in them? Yes.Stark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Are they upsetting the DM readers? Not so much round here as they tend to be tucked away out of sight.
It’s always good to here from the affluent PB lefties in the nicer shires and small towns of Britain that homelessness is not a problem and no one lives in tents on the street
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And 'just yards from the Dorchester Hotel' - how terrible for those people trying to get into the hotel without being upset by the poor.carnforth said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12291361/Homeless-rebuild-tented-city-Londons-Park-Lane-just-yards-Dorchester-Hotel.htmlStark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Nothing compared with the US, though.0 -
Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.1 -
Mate, what are you talking about? Read my posts.Leon said:
You live in fucking DorsetBenpointer said:
Are people living in them? Yes.Stark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Are they upsetting the DM readers? Not so much round here as they tend to be tucked away out of sight.
It’s always good to here from the affluent PB lefties in the nicer shires and small towns of Britain that homelessness is not a problem and no one lives in tents on the street
I know that homelessness is a problem - I help people every week who are struggling with it.
And sure Dorset's pretty affluent overall but there's still plenty of poverty here.0 -
Good callAugustusCarp2 said:Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.
Draughtsman’s Contract is in my Apple Tunes library, as a standalone song, the ultimate test
Indeed I remember and treasure the song better than the movie. Can barely recall a thing about the movie, but the main theme tune I still play regularly
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Two "villages" of them here in Reading that I know of.Stark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/17205404658317685270 -
He is the musical phenomenon most people haven't heard of. Via his various bands / guises (Steven Wilson / Porcupine Tree / No Man / Blackfield / Bass Communion / IEM) he's released something like 35 albums since the mid 90s. And as a remix producer he is the go-to guy for modern sound production.bondegezou said:
I'm going to an immersive playback of Steven Wilson's new spatial audio mix of Yes's The Yes Album on Tuesday.RochdalePioneers said:Modern music? I have to put in a word for Steven Wilson's The Harmony Codex (my avatar). Its his OK Computer - brilliantly simple yet fiendishly complicated. Several bits of it are practically orgasmic.
Geek bits. SW says listen to the album in Atmos on Apple Music (after attacking iPods in the past). Yes it sounds spectacular in pseudo-Atmos. But Apple Music's interface is sheissen compared to Spotify. So I'm not going to pay extra dollah for it.0 -
There's homelessness in the countryside you just need to know where to look.Leon said:
You live in fucking DorsetBenpointer said:
Are people living in them? Yes.Stark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Are they upsetting the DM readers? Not so much round here as they tend to be tucked away out of sight.
It’s always good to here from the affluent PB lefties in the nicer shires and small towns of Britain that homelessness is not a problem and no one lives in tents on the street0 -
Don't Look Now has a good score imo.0
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Film Scores?
Interstellar.
Oh. My. God.0 -
I'm doing a tidy job of ignoring it and I reckon I can keep that up for a while yet.RochdalePioneers said:AI Music? lets have a thumbs-up for Now and Then by The Beatles. The newly released video demonstrates just how long this track took to get made.
Yoko Ahoy handed over the original demo in 1994. They worked on it as a 3 piece in 1995 (as shown on the video) but couldn't pull out John's vocals from the Piano from the 60hz buzz, so dropped it from completion for Anthology 3.
And now AI fixes it. Set aside whether you like the song or not (and I do). The technology to realise this is stunning. Yes I sound like @Leon but AI is here and we can't ignore it.0 -
Fair enough ,I didn’t read your comment properly: my apologiesBenpointer said:
Mate, what are you talking about? Read my posts.Leon said:
You live in fucking DorsetBenpointer said:
Are people living in them? Yes.Stark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Are they upsetting the DM readers? Not so much round here as they tend to be tucked away out of sight.
It’s always good to here from the affluent PB lefties in the nicer shires and small towns of Britain that homelessness is not a problem and no one lives in tents on the street
I know that homelessness is a problem - I help people every week who are struggling with it.
And sure Dorset's pretty affluent overall but there's still plenty of poverty here.
It is annoying when lefty people - not you - weigh in on the homeless issue and say ”surely people don’t live in tents, what is Braverman on about”
I have at least half a dozen doing exactly that within 200m of my flat in Camden. They need to be humanely moved on because they pile up garbage which attracts more garbage and then you get rats and then eventually you get San Francisco0 -
(Mate, it's not a song! It's orchestral throughout.)Leon said:
Good callAugustusCarp2 said:Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.
Draughtsman’s Contract is in my Apple Tunes library, as a standalone song, the ultimate test
Indeed I remember and treasure the song better than the movie. Can barely recall a thing about the movie, but the main theme tune I still play regularly0 -
Oh good grief. OK a tuneAugustusCarp2 said:
(Mate, it's not a song! It's orchestral throughout.)Leon said:
Good callAugustusCarp2 said:Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.
Draughtsman’s Contract is in my Apple Tunes library, as a standalone song, the ultimate test
Indeed I remember and treasure the song better than the movie. Can barely recall a thing about the movie, but the main theme tune I still play regularly
I know PB is Neurodivergent Central but EEEEESH0 -
Zbigniew Preisner's film music.Leon said:
Good callAugustusCarp2 said:Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.
Draughtsman’s Contract is in my Apple Tunes library, as a standalone song, the ultimate test
Indeed I remember and treasure the song better than the movie. Can barely recall a thing about the movie, but the main theme tune I still play regularly
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Hans Zimmer also did Inception and The Dark Knight trilogy.RochdalePioneers said:Film Scores?
Interstellar.
Oh. My. God.1 -
Sorry about that. One of the reasons I no longer use Apple Tunes (or whatever it's called) is because it insists on calling everything a song - including Mahler's 2nd.Leon said:
Oh good grief. OK a tuneAugustusCarp2 said:
(Mate, it's not a song! It's orchestral throughout.)Leon said:
Good callAugustusCarp2 said:Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.
Draughtsman’s Contract is in my Apple Tunes library, as a standalone song, the ultimate test
Indeed I remember and treasure the song better than the movie. Can barely recall a thing about the movie, but the main theme tune I still play regularly
I know PB is Neurodivergent Central but EEEEESH1 -
Apology accepted. Thanks.Leon said:
Fair enough ,I didn’t read your comment properly: my apologiesBenpointer said:
Mate, what are you talking about? Read my posts.Leon said:
You live in fucking DorsetBenpointer said:
Are people living in them? Yes.Stark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Are they upsetting the DM readers? Not so much round here as they tend to be tucked away out of sight.
It’s always good to here from the affluent PB lefties in the nicer shires and small towns of Britain that homelessness is not a problem and no one lives in tents on the street
I know that homelessness is a problem - I help people every week who are struggling with it.
And sure Dorset's pretty affluent overall but there's still plenty of poverty here.
It is annoying when lefty people - not you - weigh in on the homeless issue and say ”surely people don’t live in tents, what is Braverman on about”
I have at least half a dozen doing exactly that within 200m of my flat in Camden. They need to be humanely moved on because they pile up garbage which attracts more garbage and then you get rats and then eventually you get San Francisco
I also sympathise with the genuine issues it causes for others not just the homeless themselves. But Braverman's solution 'fine charities giving out tents' is all typically arse about face: the supply of tents does not cause homelessness.1 -
John Williams:AugustusCarp2 said:Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.
Star Wars
Jaws
ET
Superman
Close Encounters
Schindler's List
Indiana Jones0 -
Dunkirk too! Another excellent film score.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hans Zimmer also did Inception and The Dark Knight trilogy.RochdalePioneers said:Film Scores?
Interstellar.
Oh. My. God.2 -
Freur not Fleur. But yes. Underworld are fantastic. Basically the pure-dance version of New Order. One of those precious few bands where I would buy every album and know it's going to be awesome.Andy_JS said:
The band has an interesting history. They had a big hit in 1988 (particularly in Australia) with Underneath The Radar.CatMan said:Anyway, Underworld - Born Slippy is the ultimate 90s song
https://youtu.be/XiMrrleH_hI?si=i_KVHZZI2ROAmreW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br8AvTqZ0w4
The band's previous incarnation was Fleur, who had an interesting minor hit in 1983 with Doot Doot.
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We do karaoke a lot in our house as the Ukrainians are very fond of all such performing arts tomfoolery. My go to song is Don't Wanna Miss a Thing by Aerosmith. I even do the Steven Tyler fingers.OnlyLivingBoy said:90s music - tomorrow night I'm doing Killing in the Name at our local Punk Rock Karaoke night. Brings the house down every time.
My suggestions for other pb.com regulars' karaoke selections...
Barty Bobs - Rabbit by Chas n Dave
Leon - Still Hood by Lil Baby & Lil Durk
HYUFD - Blue (Ba Da Bee) by Eiffel 65
Malmesbury - Stop Me If You've Think Heard This One Before by the Smiths
BJO - Please Explain by Burt Bacharach
Doug Seal - Elizabeth by the Statler Brothers
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I have recently created a GPT discord bot who role plays as a London city boy who constantly boasts about their rarely used 2nd home and cheap domestics in Cornwall just to annoy a Cornish guy who uses the server.MightyAlex said:
There's homelessness in the countryside you just need to know where to look.Leon said:
You live in fucking DorsetBenpointer said:
Are people living in them? Yes.Stark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Are they upsetting the DM readers? Not so much round here as they tend to be tucked away out of sight.
It’s always good to here from the affluent PB lefties in the nicer shires and small towns of Britain that homelessness is not a problem and no one lives in tents on the street3 -
This talk of tents has made me thankful to head off to a warm bed in a nice house.
The prospect of facing a winter sleeping in a tent must be horrendous.5 -
As I said, park whether you like it or not. This is a piece of music lost to the tape it was recorded on. Vocal folded into Piano and a HUMMMM over the top of that. The AI has extracted the voice from all of that to make recording it possible.kinabalu said:
I'm doing a tidy job of ignoring it and I reckon I can keep that up for a while yet.RochdalePioneers said:AI Music? lets have a thumbs-up for Now and Then by The Beatles. The newly released video demonstrates just how long this track took to get made.
Yoko Ahoy handed over the original demo in 1994. They worked on it as a 3 piece in 1995 (as shown on the video) but couldn't pull out John's vocals from the Piano from the 60hz buzz, so dropped it from completion for Anthology 3.
And now AI fixes it. Set aside whether you like the song or not (and I do). The technology to realise this is stunning. Yes I sound like @Leon but AI is here and we can't ignore it.1 -
Almost everyone being dry and warm most of the time would probably blow the mind of poor people in previous centuries. Add in not hungry as well and I'm certainly glad to live now, even with WW3 and/or an AI apocalypse to look forward to.Benpointer said:This talk of tents has made me thankful to head off to a warm bed in a nice house.
The prospect of facing a winter sleeping in a tent must be horrendous.0 -
So, moving on to the Xmas adverts.
What is the board game that gets upended in this M&S advert?
https://twitter.com/marksandspencer/status/17196216349847593460 -
So I'm told that the Eton–Harrow rugby match happened the other week. As you would expect, there were some lively chants.
Eton: "We have 20 prime ministers, you have seven"
Harrow: "We had Churchill, you had Boris"6 -
I'd be interested to know what your Ukrainian friends make of this :Dura_Ace said:
We do karaoke a lot in our house as the Ukrainians are very fond of all such performing arts tomfoolery. My go to song is Don't Wanna Miss a Thing by Aerosmith. I even do the Steven Tyler fingers.OnlyLivingBoy said:90s music - tomorrow night I'm doing Killing in the Name at our local Punk Rock Karaoke night. Brings the house down every time.
My suggestions for other pb.com regulars' karaoke selections...
Barty Bobs - Rabbit by Chas n Dave
Leon - Still Hood by Lil Baby & Lil Durk
HYUFD - Blue (Ba Da Bee) by Eiffel 65
Malmesbury - Stop Me If You've Think Heard This One Before by the Smiths
BJO - Please Explain by Burt Bacharach
Doug Seal - Elizabeth by the Statler Brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v7oTFSvpCo
One of my favourite bits of music. But willing to be told it's kitsch crap...
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Does the Jungle Book count?
There are a lot of songs - tunes - but it’s not quite a musical (otherwise it would be excluded)
So if we can include it,then it’s up there
Two brilliant tracks:
The Bare Necessities
King of the Swingers (I wanna be like you)
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On the Braverman thing - what baffles me is the cloth-ear-dness of it all with regard to her natural supporters. As it happens, many of my friends and extended family are church-goers of one denomination or another. All over the country. And almost all of their churches are involved with some sort of poverty relief in the UK. Churches are opened for rough sleepers, food kitchens and night shelters manned, welfare counselling provided to help with benefits claims etc. These people are NOT going to be amused by the jackboot heel going down hard. Even worse, this government minister seems to be indicating that these churches might actually be part of the problem. The floating voters amongst them - and the Conservatives - are going to react rather strongly on Polling Day.4
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While I was on holiday a month or so back - I passed ancient MP3 tape recordings of long lost radio plays to one of the voice-to-text 'AIs', then passed those to a 'text-to-voice AI' and ended up with a very tidied up quality version of the original.RochdalePioneers said:
As I said, park whether you like it or not. This is a piece of music lost to the tape it was recorded on. Vocal folded into Piano and a HUMMMM over the top of that. The AI has extracted the voice from all of that to make recording it possible.kinabalu said:
I'm doing a tidy job of ignoring it and I reckon I can keep that up for a while yet.RochdalePioneers said:AI Music? lets have a thumbs-up for Now and Then by The Beatles. The newly released video demonstrates just how long this track took to get made.
Yoko Ahoy handed over the original demo in 1994. They worked on it as a 3 piece in 1995 (as shown on the video) but couldn't pull out John's vocals from the Piano from the 60hz buzz, so dropped it from completion for Anthology 3.
And now AI fixes it. Set aside whether you like the song or not (and I do). The technology to realise this is stunning. Yes I sound like @Leon but AI is here and we can't ignore it.
I think there are a lot of changes on the way.
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Has to be a musical, shirley?Leon said:Does the Jungle Book count?
There are a lot of songs - tunes - but it’s not quite a musical (otherwise it would be excluded)
So if we can include it,then it’s up there
Two brilliant tracks:
The Bare Necessities
King of the Swingers (I wanna be like you)1 -
I don't think they'd have any opinion on it at all as they are teenagers and therefore like K-Pop. It'd be like asking a British teenager for their views on I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts.ohnotnow said:
I'd be interested to know what your Ukrainian friends make of this :Dura_Ace said:
We do karaoke a lot in our house as the Ukrainians are very fond of all such performing arts tomfoolery. My go to song is Don't Wanna Miss a Thing by Aerosmith. I even do the Steven Tyler fingers.OnlyLivingBoy said:90s music - tomorrow night I'm doing Killing in the Name at our local Punk Rock Karaoke night. Brings the house down every time.
My suggestions for other pb.com regulars' karaoke selections...
Barty Bobs - Rabbit by Chas n Dave
Leon - Still Hood by Lil Baby & Lil Durk
HYUFD - Blue (Ba Da Bee) by Eiffel 65
Malmesbury - Stop Me If You've Think Heard This One Before by the Smiths
BJO - Please Explain by Burt Bacharach
Doug Seal - Elizabeth by the Statler Brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v7oTFSvpCo
One of my favourite bits of music. But willing to be told it's kitsch crap...0 -
One of my old animation favourites is "We are Siamese, if you please. We are Siamese if you don't please."Leon said:Does the Jungle Book count?
There are a lot of songs - tunes - but it’s not quite a musical (otherwise it would be excluded)
So if we can include it,then it’s up there
Two brilliant tracks:
The Bare Necessities
King of the Swingers (I wanna be like you)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk
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Ah.Dura_Ace said:
I don't think they'd have any opinion on it at all as they are teenagers and therefore like K-Pop. It'd be like asking a British teenager for their views on I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts.ohnotnow said:
I'd be interested to know what your Ukrainian friends make of this :Dura_Ace said:
We do karaoke a lot in our house as the Ukrainians are very fond of all such performing arts tomfoolery. My go to song is Don't Wanna Miss a Thing by Aerosmith. I even do the Steven Tyler fingers.OnlyLivingBoy said:90s music - tomorrow night I'm doing Killing in the Name at our local Punk Rock Karaoke night. Brings the house down every time.
My suggestions for other pb.com regulars' karaoke selections...
Barty Bobs - Rabbit by Chas n Dave
Leon - Still Hood by Lil Baby & Lil Durk
HYUFD - Blue (Ba Da Bee) by Eiffel 65
Malmesbury - Stop Me If You've Think Heard This One Before by the Smiths
BJO - Please Explain by Burt Bacharach
Doug Seal - Elizabeth by the Statler Brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v7oTFSvpCo
One of my favourite bits of music. But willing to be told it's kitsch crap...0 -
M&S advert ‘puts two fingers up to spirit of Christmas’, says headteacher
Katharine Birbalsingh tells retailer its Christmas ad featuring celebrities’ seasonal peeves will stifle children’s happiness
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/03/ms-advert-puts-two-fingers-up-to-spirit-of-christmas-says-headteacher0 -
A film is just starting on BBC called The Nest (2020). On Rotten Tomatoes it has a critics' rating of 90% and an audience rating of 46%. It's always curious when you have such a big divergence between the two types of rating.
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Its simple. She assumes that the target voters are amoral morons. The right wing has weaponised stupidity and ignorance - they want people to be Outraged by the idea of the homeless being given a tent...AugustusCarp2 said:On the Braverman thing - what baffles me is the cloth-ear-dness of it all with regard to her natural supporters. As it happens, many of my friends and extended family are church-goers of one denomination or another. All over the country. And almost all of their churches are involved with some sort of poverty relief in the UK. Churches are opened for rough sleepers, food kitchens and night shelters manned, welfare counselling provided to help with benefits claims etc. These people are NOT going to be amused by the jackboot heel going down hard. Even worse, this government minister seems to be indicating that these churches might actually be part of the problem. The floating voters amongst them - and the Conservatives - are going to react rather strongly on Polling Day.
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I’ve heard people claim that the greatest soundtrack of all is Death in Venice, simply due to its entire reliance on the Adagietto from Mahler’s 5thAugustusCarp2 said:
Sorry about that. One of the reasons I no longer use Apple Tunes (or whatever it's called) is because it insists on calling everything a song - including Mahler's 2nd.Leon said:
Oh good grief. OK a tuneAugustusCarp2 said:
(Mate, it's not a song! It's orchestral throughout.)Leon said:
Good callAugustusCarp2 said:Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.
Draughtsman’s Contract is in my Apple Tunes library, as a standalone song, the ultimate test
Indeed I remember and treasure the song better than the movie. Can barely recall a thing about the movie, but the main theme tune I still play regularly
I know PB is Neurodivergent Central but EEEEESH
https://youtu.be/BUV3Ueobr88?si=2nDJaSxfR_lLYhXC
And it is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. But not exactly written for the movie, so we cannot count it
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So it's a high risk strategy, then? Hack off the Core Vote supporters we've had for years in the hope that we will get more from the Outraged Stupid and Ignorant? Electorally, that's a brave strategy.....RochdalePioneers said:
Its simple. She assumes that the target voters are amoral morons. The right wing has weaponised stupidity and ignorance - they want people to be Outraged by the idea of the homeless being given a tent...AugustusCarp2 said:On the Braverman thing - what baffles me is the cloth-ear-dness of it all with regard to her natural supporters. As it happens, many of my friends and extended family are church-goers of one denomination or another. All over the country. And almost all of their churches are involved with some sort of poverty relief in the UK. Churches are opened for rough sleepers, food kitchens and night shelters manned, welfare counselling provided to help with benefits claims etc. These people are NOT going to be amused by the jackboot heel going down hard. Even worse, this government minister seems to be indicating that these churches might actually be part of the problem. The floating voters amongst them - and the Conservatives - are going to react rather strongly on Polling Day.
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NO!Leon said:Does the Jungle Book count?
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To be clear the problem is we don't know what the make up will be. Labour could conceivably have double the number of MPs they have now. Will they largely be Starmer lookalikes? We don't know. What they will have is his manifesto.stodge said:
I seem to recall all this nonsense being trotted out before 1997. If Blair won, so it went, he would be a prisoner of the radical Left who would win enough seats to prevent "New" Labour governing effectively.FrankBooth said:
If Labour gets 350-400 MPs the reality is we know precious little about many of these people.MattW said:
One of his remaining issues is that there are still 35 MPs listed as being in the Socialist Campaign Group.isam said:
I’d say so - the slightly right of centre types who Sir Keir is trying to attract aren’t going to be put off voting Labour by a load of Islamic councillors quitting over PalestineMattW said:On the header, I wonder if a steady trickle of these types of Councillor defenestrating themselves is a plus for Mr Starmer?
Though it now allows in all MPs, not just Labour MPs - perhaps to protect Mr Corbyn?
Not sure how many "independents" are in it - I make it Claudia Webbe, Andy McDonald, Jeremy Corbyn so far.
419 MPs later...the reason why New Labour didn't govern effectively was nothing to do with "the Left".0 -
It's interesting how cosmopolitan and globalised their tastes are. They like K-Pop, anime, Turkish soaps, Russian films and Strictly.ohnotnow said:
Ah.Dura_Ace said:
I don't think they'd have any opinion on it at all as they are teenagers and therefore like K-Pop. It'd be like asking a British teenager for their views on I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts.ohnotnow said:
I'd be interested to know what your Ukrainian friends make of this :Dura_Ace said:
We do karaoke a lot in our house as the Ukrainians are very fond of all such performing arts tomfoolery. My go to song is Don't Wanna Miss a Thing by Aerosmith. I even do the Steven Tyler fingers.OnlyLivingBoy said:90s music - tomorrow night I'm doing Killing in the Name at our local Punk Rock Karaoke night. Brings the house down every time.
My suggestions for other pb.com regulars' karaoke selections...
Barty Bobs - Rabbit by Chas n Dave
Leon - Still Hood by Lil Baby & Lil Durk
HYUFD - Blue (Ba Da Bee) by Eiffel 65
Malmesbury - Stop Me If You've Think Heard This One Before by the Smiths
BJO - Please Explain by Burt Bacharach
Doug Seal - Elizabeth by the Statler Brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v7oTFSvpCo
One of my favourite bits of music. But willing to be told it's kitsch crap...1 -
I loved the ad. At last someone takes on the bullshit associated with Christmas, the quasi-obligatory crap that threatens to ruin what could otherwise be a good holiday.rottenborough said:M&S advert ‘puts two fingers up to spirit of Christmas’, says headteacher
Katharine Birbalsingh tells retailer its Christmas ad featuring celebrities’ seasonal peeves will stifle children’s happiness
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/03/ms-advert-puts-two-fingers-up-to-spirit-of-christmas-says-headteacher1 -
FFS.rottenborough said:M&S advert ‘puts two fingers up to spirit of Christmas’, says headteacher
Katharine Birbalsingh tells retailer its Christmas ad featuring celebrities’ seasonal peeves will stifle children’s happiness
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/03/ms-advert-puts-two-fingers-up-to-spirit-of-christmas-says-headteacher
I think it’s a brilliant advert. There is an expectation that people should have a ‘perfect’ Christmas. One in which the house is beautifully decorated, the food is perfectly cooked, friends and family gather for a Festive get together and the hostess has lovingly made the centrepiece for the table.
Life isn’t like that and it’s ok to say sod it. It’s ok to try your best and to not succeed or even… (whisper it)… fail. It’s ok to say “To hell with ‘Elf on a Shelf’ this year” and to not compete with the neighbours (or other parents from school).
The important thing is that you tried and that everybody - including you - is happy. That’s the spirit of Christmas.
You’d think that a teacher would understand that. You’d think that the country’s best headteacher (apparently) would want to instil such values in the children of today. Maybe I’m just old fashioned.2 -
All homeless people should be given the chance of a warm bed to sleep in. If all we can provide is a tent, that's not good enough. If however, if a warm bed has been offered, and refused, there should not be an a la carte system of giving them a tent to camp illegally in a public park, for the reasons Leon gives.RochdalePioneers said:
Its simple. She assumes that the target voters are amoral morons. The right wing has weaponised stupidity and ignorance - they want people to be Outraged by the idea of the homeless being given a tent...AugustusCarp2 said:On the Braverman thing - what baffles me is the cloth-ear-dness of it all with regard to her natural supporters. As it happens, many of my friends and extended family are church-goers of one denomination or another. All over the country. And almost all of their churches are involved with some sort of poverty relief in the UK. Churches are opened for rough sleepers, food kitchens and night shelters manned, welfare counselling provided to help with benefits claims etc. These people are NOT going to be amused by the jackboot heel going down hard. Even worse, this government minister seems to be indicating that these churches might actually be part of the problem. The floating voters amongst them - and the Conservatives - are going to react rather strongly on Polling Day.
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Pretty well anything by Carter Burwell does the business for me. A top classical composer, making a living doing film scores.Leon said:
I’ve heard people claim that the greatest soundtrack of all is Death in Venice, simply due to its entire reliance on the Adagietto from Mahler’s 5thAugustusCarp2 said:
Sorry about that. One of the reasons I no longer use Apple Tunes (or whatever it's called) is because it insists on calling everything a song - including Mahler's 2nd.Leon said:
Oh good grief. OK a tuneAugustusCarp2 said:
(Mate, it's not a song! It's orchestral throughout.)Leon said:
Good callAugustusCarp2 said:Right, if the conversation is on film scores, then you have left me with no choice but to fire up the laptop and give you some ideas (even though it's past my bedtime.)
Almost anything by Michael Nyman - The Draughtsman's Contract, obviously, but also A Zed and Two Noughts and (my personal favourite) Gattaca. He's the man who first applied the word "minimalism" to contemporary music, which is a pity, because it turns many people off, but his work is exceptional. His string quartets have popped up in a few TV things (also well worth listening to) but on some of his other stuff (The Man in the Suit, for example) I know the score but haven't seen the film.
So, there's your answer - Michael Nyman.
Draughtsman’s Contract is in my Apple Tunes library, as a standalone song, the ultimate test
Indeed I remember and treasure the song better than the movie. Can barely recall a thing about the movie, but the main theme tune I still play regularly
I know PB is Neurodivergent Central but EEEEESH
https://youtu.be/BUV3Ueobr88?si=2nDJaSxfR_lLYhXC
And it is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. But not exactly written for the movie, so we cannot count it
e.g. In Bruges
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It's pretty edgy given M&S Food adverts seem to be all about having extra special and 'perfect' dinners for two or whatever without going out.AbandonedHope said:
FFS.rottenborough said:M&S advert ‘puts two fingers up to spirit of Christmas’, says headteacher
Katharine Birbalsingh tells retailer its Christmas ad featuring celebrities’ seasonal peeves will stifle children’s happiness
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/03/ms-advert-puts-two-fingers-up-to-spirit-of-christmas-says-headteacher
I think it’s a brilliant advert. There is an expectation that people should have a ‘perfect’ Christmas. One in which the house is beautifully decorated, the food is perfectly cooked, friends and family gather for a Festive get together and the hostess has lovingly made the centrepiece for the table.
Life isn’t like that and it’s ok to say sod it. It’s ok to try your best and to not succeed or even… (whisper it)… fail. It’s ok to say “To hell with ‘Elf on a Shelf’ this year” and to not compete with the neighbours (or other parents from school).
The important thing is that you tried and that everybody - including you - is happy. That’s the spirit of Christmas.
You’d think that a teacher would understand that. You’d think that the country’s best headteacher (apparently) would want to instil such values in the children of today. Maybe I’m just old fashioned.1 -
Surprised they didn't use Greg Lake song though.Anabobazina said:
I loved the ad. At last someone takes on the bullshit associated with Christmas, the quasi-obligatory crap that threatens to ruin what could otherwise be a good holiday.rottenborough said:M&S advert ‘puts two fingers up to spirit of Christmas’, says headteacher
Katharine Birbalsingh tells retailer its Christmas ad featuring celebrities’ seasonal peeves will stifle children’s happiness
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/03/ms-advert-puts-two-fingers-up-to-spirit-of-christmas-says-headteacher
Genius.
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Braverman is not interested in the slightest with the party actually winning in 2024. She is already running her leadership campaign for when Sunak loses.AugustusCarp2 said:
So it's a high risk strategy, then? Hack off the Core Vote supporters we've had for years in the hope that we will get more from the Outraged Stupid and Ignorant? Electorally, that's a brave strategy.....RochdalePioneers said:
Its simple. She assumes that the target voters are amoral morons. The right wing has weaponised stupidity and ignorance - they want people to be Outraged by the idea of the homeless being given a tent...AugustusCarp2 said:On the Braverman thing - what baffles me is the cloth-ear-dness of it all with regard to her natural supporters. As it happens, many of my friends and extended family are church-goers of one denomination or another. All over the country. And almost all of their churches are involved with some sort of poverty relief in the UK. Churches are opened for rough sleepers, food kitchens and night shelters manned, welfare counselling provided to help with benefits claims etc. These people are NOT going to be amused by the jackboot heel going down hard. Even worse, this government minister seems to be indicating that these churches might actually be part of the problem. The floating voters amongst them - and the Conservatives - are going to react rather strongly on Polling Day.
And has been for months.
She couldnt give a x about core vs floating vs red wall voters.
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There are two M&S adverts, the food advert with the Depeche Mode jingle, and the clothing & home advert which is the controversial one.rottenborough said:
It's pretty edgy given M&S Food adverts seem to be all about having extra special and 'perfect' dinners for two or whatever without going out.AbandonedHope said:
FFS.rottenborough said:M&S advert ‘puts two fingers up to spirit of Christmas’, says headteacher
Katharine Birbalsingh tells retailer its Christmas ad featuring celebrities’ seasonal peeves will stifle children’s happiness
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/03/ms-advert-puts-two-fingers-up-to-spirit-of-christmas-says-headteacher
I think it’s a brilliant advert. There is an expectation that people should have a ‘perfect’ Christmas. One in which the house is beautifully decorated, the food is perfectly cooked, friends and family gather for a Festive get together and the hostess has lovingly made the centrepiece for the table.
Life isn’t like that and it’s ok to say sod it. It’s ok to try your best and to not succeed or even… (whisper it)… fail. It’s ok to say “To hell with ‘Elf on a Shelf’ this year” and to not compete with the neighbours (or other parents from school).
The important thing is that you tried and that everybody - including you - is happy. That’s the spirit of Christmas.
You’d think that a teacher would understand that. You’d think that the country’s best headteacher (apparently) would want to instil such values in the children of today. Maybe I’m just old fashioned.0 -
The M&S Christmas food advert more than makes up for the edgy vibe of the party advert.rottenborough said:
It's pretty edgy given M&S Food adverts seem to be all about having extra special and 'perfect' dinners for two or whatever without going out.AbandonedHope said:
FFS.rottenborough said:M&S advert ‘puts two fingers up to spirit of Christmas’, says headteacher
Katharine Birbalsingh tells retailer its Christmas ad featuring celebrities’ seasonal peeves will stifle children’s happiness
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/03/ms-advert-puts-two-fingers-up-to-spirit-of-christmas-says-headteacher
I think it’s a brilliant advert. There is an expectation that people should have a ‘perfect’ Christmas. One in which the house is beautifully decorated, the food is perfectly cooked, friends and family gather for a Festive get together and the hostess has lovingly made the centrepiece for the table.
Life isn’t like that and it’s ok to say sod it. It’s ok to try your best and to not succeed or even… (whisper it)… fail. It’s ok to say “To hell with ‘Elf on a Shelf’ this year” and to not compete with the neighbours (or other parents from school).
The important thing is that you tried and that everybody - including you - is happy. That’s the spirit of Christmas.
You’d think that a teacher would understand that. You’d think that the country’s best headteacher (apparently) would want to instil such values in the children of today. Maybe I’m just old fashioned.
For the record, I won’t have a bad word said about M&S. I do the weekly shop (family of four) there and it’s a lot cheaper than any other supermarket.0 -
It is watchable, if slow burningAndy_JS said:A film is just starting on BBC called The Nest (2020). On Rotten Tomatoes it has a critics' rating of 90% and an audience rating of 46%. It's always curious when you have such a big divergence between the two types of rating.
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She is aiming for Tory members and winning back RefUK voters.rottenborough said:
Braverman is not interested in the slightest with the party actually winning in 2024. She is already running her leadership campaign for when Sunak loses.AugustusCarp2 said:
So it's a high risk strategy, then? Hack off the Core Vote supporters we've had for years in the hope that we will get more from the Outraged Stupid and Ignorant? Electorally, that's a brave strategy.....RochdalePioneers said:
Its simple. She assumes that the target voters are amoral morons. The right wing has weaponised stupidity and ignorance - they want people to be Outraged by the idea of the homeless being given a tent...AugustusCarp2 said:On the Braverman thing - what baffles me is the cloth-ear-dness of it all with regard to her natural supporters. As it happens, many of my friends and extended family are church-goers of one denomination or another. All over the country. And almost all of their churches are involved with some sort of poverty relief in the UK. Churches are opened for rough sleepers, food kitchens and night shelters manned, welfare counselling provided to help with benefits claims etc. These people are NOT going to be amused by the jackboot heel going down hard. Even worse, this government minister seems to be indicating that these churches might actually be part of the problem. The floating voters amongst them - and the Conservatives - are going to react rather strongly on Polling Day.
And has been for months.
She couldnt give a x about core vs floating vs red wall voters.
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Zimmer was, of course, heavily influenced by Morricone - as were, I think Radiohead. The latter point, surely settles it as far as PB is concerned ?Benpointer said:
Dunkirk too! Another excellent film score.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hans Zimmer also did Inception and The Dark Knight trilogy.RochdalePioneers said:Film Scores?
Interstellar.
Oh. My. God.
His score for The Mission also regularly tops composers’ polls (and is indeed rather beautiful).
And who can boast a filmic output to compete with one which encompasses Battle of Algiers; 120 Days of Sodom; the Dollars trilogy; Once Upon a Time in the West; Sacco e Vanzetti; The Thing; Days of Heaven; The Untouchables; The Hateful Eight; Cinema Paradiso … and a hundred others ?0 -
Tomorrow in the US (today now for us) is the 15th anniversary of Obama’s election.1
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Morricone and John Williams seem to be the two best. Incredible back cataloguesNigelb said:.
Zimmer was, of course, heavily influenced by Morricone - as were, I think Radiohead. The latter point, surely settles it as far as PB is concerned ?Benpointer said:
Dunkirk too! Another excellent film score.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hans Zimmer also did Inception and The Dark Knight trilogy.RochdalePioneers said:Film Scores?
Interstellar.
Oh. My. God.
His score for The Mission also regularly tops composers’ polls (and is indeed rather beautiful).
And who can boast a filmic output to compete with one which encompasses Battle of Algiers; 120 Days of Sodom; the Dollars trilogy; Once Upon a Time in the West; Sacco e Vanzetti; The Thing; Days of Heaven; The Untouchables; The Hateful Eight; Cinema Paradiso … and a hundred others ?
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Interesting to speculate what great movie composers line Ennio Morricone or John Williams might have done 100-200 years ago. To my mind they could easily have been world class standalone composers - better than, say, Bruckner - as good as Britten or Grieg or Sibelius
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Also Chi Mai, which originally a film score, was used by the BBC some years back for their Lloyd George drama, and nearly became a UK chart no1.Leon said:
Morricone and John Williams seem to be the two best. Incredible back cataloguesNigelb said:.
Zimmer was, of course, heavily influenced by Morricone - as were, I think Radiohead. The latter point, surely settles it as far as PB is concerned ?Benpointer said:
Dunkirk too! Another excellent film score.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hans Zimmer also did Inception and The Dark Knight trilogy.RochdalePioneers said:Film Scores?
Interstellar.
Oh. My. God.
His score for The Mission also regularly tops composers’ polls (and is indeed rather beautiful).
And who can boast a filmic output to compete with one which encompasses Battle of Algiers; 120 Days of Sodom; the Dollars trilogy; Once Upon a Time in the West; Sacco e Vanzetti; The Thing; Days of Heaven; The Untouchables; The Hateful Eight; Cinema Paradiso … and a hundred others ?
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And a notably pretty tuneNigelb said:
Also Chi Mai, which originally a film score, was used by the BBC some years back for their Lloyd George drama, and nearly became a UK chart no1.Leon said:
Morricone and John Williams seem to be the two best. Incredible back cataloguesNigelb said:.
Zimmer was, of course, heavily influenced by Morricone - as were, I think Radiohead. The latter point, surely settles it as far as PB is concerned ?Benpointer said:
Dunkirk too! Another excellent film score.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hans Zimmer also did Inception and The Dark Knight trilogy.RochdalePioneers said:Film Scores?
Interstellar.
Oh. My. God.
His score for The Mission also regularly tops composers’ polls (and is indeed rather beautiful).
And who can boast a filmic output to compete with one which encompasses Battle of Algiers; 120 Days of Sodom; the Dollars trilogy; Once Upon a Time in the West; Sacco e Vanzetti; The Thing; Days of Heaven; The Untouchables; The Hateful Eight; Cinema Paradiso … and a hundred others ?
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Not a film, but the music for the TV adaptation of Brideshead Revisisted was perfect and sublime in its own right.0
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For a film theme, I nominate 633 Squadron.SouthamObserver said:Not a film, but the music for the TV adaptation of Brideshead Revisisted was perfect and sublime in its own right.
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Point of order: homelessness and rough sleeping are not synonymous.
The reasons for each are different and there is plenty of research on both, some of which I've contributed to from an economics perspective.
I would advise the Alpkit Viso 2 as a spacious, affordable home-from-home. (Not ideal for long distance walks though, being bulky over 3kg. Get under a tarp for that 💪)1 -
I have an Ultra Quasar - maybe 25 years old now - and must have spent over a year in it. Not light, but bombproof - something I've been glad of a few times. Needed a new outer a few years back due to a seagull and general UV degradation but everything else is still good.Eabhal said:Point of order: homelessness and rough sleeping are not synonymous.
The reasons for each are different and there is plenty of research on both, some of which I've contributed to from an economics perspective.
I would advise the Alpkit Viso 2 as a spacious, affordable home-from-home. (Not ideal for long distance walks though, being bulky over 3kg. Get under a tarp for that 💪)
Probably no longer the best but I'd probably buy another if I had to, just because.
To be fair to Braverman (I'm not convinced about her motive, but anyway) handing out tents is not really a good way to deal with rough sleeping.
The idea should be to get people off the streets and into hostels or other safe accommodation. Tents are unlikely to be terribly safe and aren't likely to last long in the circumstances.
I suppose it is better than cardboard but that's about it.0 -
It’s not a real terms pay cut.dixiedean said:
Yeah.carnforth said:
Taking into account the tax and UC. Take into account inflation too, and it may be close to zero.dixiedean said:I see UNISON have settled. £1925 pa rise for the very lowest paid local government workers.
Yet more pressure on school budgets.
And a vast majority of that will be clawed back in tax and withdrawal of UC from teaching assistants.
So. A pay rise nominally of 9.25%. The workers gain relatively little. Probably nearer 2-4% after tax and benefits. The schools lose a lot, cos they have to find the entire amount.
But the government loses net relatively little.
It's a real terms cut.
Any extra take home is a reduction at 55(!!)p in the pound off UC.
Talk about marginal tax rates for those on £100k!
It’s an increase in pay
The fact that this is largely / totally offset by benefit withdrawal doesn’t alter the fact that it is a pay increase
Precision matters
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Opposite end of park lane - 500 yards and not visibleBenpointer said:
And 'just yards from the Dorchester Hotel' - how terrible for those people trying to get into the hotel without being upset by the poor.carnforth said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12291361/Homeless-rebuild-tented-city-Londons-Park-Lane-just-yards-Dorchester-Hotel.htmlStark_Dawning said:
Genuine question. Are tents and the homeless a genuine thing over here? (I can't say I've ever seen a homeless person with one.) If not, is it the case that Braverman is simply running with stuff she's being fed by these shady hard-Right organizations in the US? (That National Conservatism thingy springs to mind.) Worrying if so.Leon said:
But this is absolutely one of the problems in San FranciscoTheScreamingEagles said:If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.
https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527
Nothing compared with the US, though.
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I'm not a fan of Zimmer. A bit too overblown for me.Leon said:
Morricone and John Williams seem to be the two best. Incredible back cataloguesNigelb said:.
Zimmer was, of course, heavily influenced by Morricone - as were, I think Radiohead. The latter point, surely settles it as far as PB is concerned ?Benpointer said:
Dunkirk too! Another excellent film score.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hans Zimmer also did Inception and The Dark Knight trilogy.RochdalePioneers said:Film Scores?
Interstellar.
Oh. My. God.
His score for The Mission also regularly tops composers’ polls (and is indeed rather beautiful).
And who can boast a filmic output to compete with one which encompasses Battle of Algiers; 120 Days of Sodom; the Dollars trilogy; Once Upon a Time in the West; Sacco e Vanzetti; The Thing; Days of Heaven; The Untouchables; The Hateful Eight; Cinema Paradiso … and a hundred others ?
The Mission has a couple of timelessly beautiful tunes
Morricone was both original and brilliant and I'd definitely pick him ahead of the slightly derivative Williams.
But I'm going to make the bold claim that the best film scores were written before film had even been invented.
Bring on ... Richard Wagner.
Yeah, I know, they are "musicals" but not really in the same sense as an actual musical (or an Italian opera).
If you read the stage directions for the Ring he was definitely imagining a film set but nobody had the technology to deliver what he wanted at the time. If he was alive today he'd definitely be digging out the CGI.0 -
I like Terra Nova because they carry over a lot of their designs to Wild Country, which are the value alternative and great first tents.Flatlander said:
I have an Ultra Quasar - maybe 25 years old now - and must have spent over a year in it. Not light, but bombproof - something I've been glad of a few times. Needed a new outer a few years back due to a seagull and general UV degradation but everything else is still good.Eabhal said:Point of order: homelessness and rough sleeping are not synonymous.
The reasons for each are different and there is plenty of research on both, some of which I've contributed to from an economics perspective.
I would advise the Alpkit Viso 2 as a spacious, affordable home-from-home. (Not ideal for long distance walks though, being bulky over 3kg. Get under a tarp for that 💪)
Probably no longer the best but I'd probably buy another if I had to, just because.
To be fair to Braverman (I'm not convinced about her motive, but anyway) handing out tents is not really a good way to deal with rough sleeping.
The idea should be to get people off the streets and into hostels or other safe accommodation. Tents are unlikely to be terribly safe and aren't likely to last long in the circumstances.
I suppose it is better than cardboard but that's about it.
The UK is really good at this kind of specialised equipment - see it in all the shops here in Aus. DMM etc1 -
Since I listen to soundtracks constantly for productivity purposes and help me focus you'd think I'd be good at this, but there's just too many. Somebody mentioned Michael Nyman so that's covered, but we have to cover Phillip Glass too, so here's "Mishima" (sample track: "November 25: The Last Day": https://youtu.be/T9rB33JnvyM?t=2378 )
If you want big bangy bangy let's invade France, here's Jerry Goldsmith's "Capricorn One", sample track "Main Title", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y0kwkHR8OY&t=1s , which also has the triumphal "Celebration" at the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y0kwkHR8OY&t=2959s
If you want amazement at how one guy can get paid for the same soundtrack twice, then compare and contrast James Horner's soundtracks for "Aliens" and "The Wrath of Khan", for example "Genesis Countdown" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKThzGosazk&t=50s to "Going after Newt" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxE8Kb41qWs&t=38s . And then listen to "Bishop's Countdown" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlzkGd7qaMY or "Surprise Attack" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2v62mfdX4
"They're still running with shields down. Of course! We are one big happy fleet!"
For your swoopy strings there's John Barry. Now I could do "Out of Africa" or "Somewhere in Time", but dance with the one that brung ya, so here's "Flight into Space" from "Moonraker" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS1ksHh3P88 or "Space March (Capsule In Space)" from "You Only Live Twice" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0IFdGqovY
You have to include Hans Zimmer, and I know everybody does "Interstellar" but he goes back way more than that. Here's "Journey to the Line" from "The Thin Red Line": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt9qNNotb8U
The scene in the film is brilliant, by the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbDaYUdDsGg
I don't really know where to stop. Layer Cake, Moon, Crocodile Dundee II, Requiem for a Dream, Tenet, Iron Man, Tron Legacy, even Saw (sample track "Hello Zepp": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZyl_O7P2s )
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Full list from the above
- Mishima: https://youtu.be/T9rB33JnvyM?t=2378
- Capricorn One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y0kwkHR8OY
- ST:TWOK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2v62mfdX4
- Aliens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlzkGd7qaMY
- Moonraker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS1ksHh3P88
- You Only Live Twice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0IFdGqovY
- The Thin Red Line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt9qNNotb8U
- Layer Cake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWuSUOSrYr0
- Moon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lAfMT5FIZE
- Crocodile Dundee II: https://youtu.be/fo0SuXkprpc?t=1718
- Requiem for a Dream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmZUCHvdaU
- Tenet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-DpRD7RArg
- Tron Legacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjM8d0Csuk4
- Iron Man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7jrsVN4z44, see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkSr9Lw5Gm8
- Saw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZyl_O7P2s
- AOTC:BTCWH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoWJ7tu9R6w
2 - Mishima: https://youtu.be/T9rB33JnvyM?t=2378
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With AI in mind, this is a quote from H.P. Lovecraft cited in John Gray's new book "The New Leviathons", (page 134).
"We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/447514/the-new-leviathans-by-gray-john/9780241554951
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/193944-the-most-merciful-thing-in-the-world-i-think-is0 -
So we've over the past ten years we've gone from the price of pasties to Cthulhu. Vote Nyarlathotep! Sensible Policies for a Happier R'lyeh.Andy_JS said:With AI in mind, this is a quote from H.P. Lovecraft cited in John Gray's new book "The New Leviathons", (page 134).
"We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/447514/the-new-leviathans-by-gray-john/9780241554951
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/193944-the-most-merciful-thing-in-the-world-i-think-is
(as possibly the only fan of John Gray and the Cthulhu mythos in existence I feel uniquely gifted to post this message. Please kill me immediately
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Dammit I left out Vangelis. OK, not Blade Runner, but the Bounty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgUOiZUbTk0
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This is an alarming watch.
An Intimate Conversation with Leading Climate Scientists To Discuss New Research on Global Warming
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NXDWpBlPCY8
TLDR, without some radical, currently unplanned interventions, we're fucked.1 -
Leaving aside the advert, is it not disappointing to see the Guardian adopting tabloid traits like reporting people's TwiX posts as news?AbandonedHope said:
FFS.rottenborough said:M&S advert ‘puts two fingers up to spirit of Christmas’, says headteacher
Katharine Birbalsingh tells retailer its Christmas ad featuring celebrities’ seasonal peeves will stifle children’s happiness
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/03/ms-advert-puts-two-fingers-up-to-spirit-of-christmas-says-headteacher
I think it’s a brilliant advert. There is an expectation that people should have a ‘perfect’ Christmas. One in which the house is beautifully decorated, the food is perfectly cooked, friends and family gather for a Festive get together and the hostess has lovingly made the centrepiece for the table.
Life isn’t like that and it’s ok to say sod it. It’s ok to try your best and to not succeed or even… (whisper it)… fail. It’s ok to say “To hell with ‘Elf on a Shelf’ this year” and to not compete with the neighbours (or other parents from school).
The important thing is that you tried and that everybody - including you - is happy. That’s the spirit of Christmas.
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I saw Chic live a few years ago at a festival, and the band did a greatest hits medley of songs Rodgers had written. Quite the list of fantastic pop tracks covering more than four decades. Everyone in the crowd, many of whom had no real idea who they were, was up singing and dancing by the end.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's by Nile Rodgers and Bernie Edwards, who wrote and produced more utterly great songs than pretty much anyone in pop music, certainly since the Beatles. Although IMHO their masterpiece, also performed with Sister Sledge, is He's the Greatest Dancer. Absolute musical perfection, and one of the greatest songs ever to dance to, appropriately.Leon said:
It’s a line from “Thinking of You”ydoethur said:
Wrong forum?Leon said:Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me
Sister Sledge
It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes
Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass
And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you
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Were your previous 5001 posts as crazy? It's very reminiscent of tim..late of this parish.Eabhal said:Sunak has apparently looked at the north-west of England and decided that London/Home Counties should replicate it. The levelling down agenda.
- Cancel public transport infrastructure
- Plaster with motorways
- Cover remaining patches with Barratt Homes, artificial grass and XL Bullies0
