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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sunak has apparently looked at the north-west of England and decided that London/Home Counties should replicate it. The levelling down agenda.

    - Cancel public transport infrastructure
    - Plaster with motorways
    - Cover remaining patches with Barratt Homes, artificial grass and XL Bullies

    XLBs so long as they have muzzles and no bollocks.

    Rather more worryingly, whatever is bred to replace them won't be covered by the 'breed' specific legislation.
    Whac-a-mole. The DDA was useful in this emergency situation, but a long term solution needed.
    Further to that, I've found the other report I was thinking of, as well as one in the Graun.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12697205/No-money-tempt-kill-XL-Bully-Furious-dog-owners-blast-government-200-puppy-scrappage-scheme-euthanise-pets-charities-face-impossible-task-rehome-animals-December-31-deadline.html

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TOTP 95 presented by Whigfield tonight!

    Weezer - Buddy Holly
    Two can play that game - Bobby Brown



  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
  • isam said:

    TOTP 95 presented by Whigfield tonight!

    Weezer - Buddy Holly
    Two can play that game - Bobby Brown



    But it's not a Saturday Night 😈
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited November 2023
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
  • My 90s soundtrack

    1) Whatever by Oasis

    2) Relight My Fire by Take That

    3) Smack My Bitch Up by The Prodigy

    4) Only Happens When It Rains by Garbage

    5) Mo Money, Mo Problems by The Notorious B.I.G.

    6) Barbie Girl by Aqua (Shut up, it takes me back to my uni days)

    7) Under The Bridge by The Red Hot Chili Peppers

    8) Basket Case by Green Day

    9) Tragedy by Steps (Shut up see song 6)

    10) Hurt by Nine Inch Nails

    11) Kelly's Heroes by Black Grape

    12) One More Time by Daft Punk

    13) No Limit by 2Unlimited

    14) Se A Vida é by Pet Shop Boys

    15) Laid by James

    16) Peaches by The Presidents of the USA


    17) What Is Love by Haddaway

    But my songs listings change a lot.

    A while back I tried to find the video of 'Smack My Bitch Up' (with its twist at the end) on YouTube, but it doesn't appear to exist in its entirety (or it didn't when I looked).
    You used to be able to see it but the wokesters complained. Bloody wokesters...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,174
    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Isn't it the Usonian term for food bank? One wants it to be a trouser shop.

    Interestingly there is a newish movement here called Your Local Pantry which are non-profit membership food shops, with a wider networking agenda.

    They have an 'early cooperative' feel about them - almost like a food version of Credit Unions.

    https://www.yourlocalpantry.co.uk/
  • Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
    Neil Tennant rap on "West End Girls" = best ever.
  • My 90s soundtrack

    1) Whatever by Oasis

    2) Relight My Fire by Take That

    3) Smack My Bitch Up by The Prodigy

    4) Only Happens When It Rains by Garbage

    5) Mo Money, Mo Problems by The Notorious B.I.G.

    6) Barbie Girl by Aqua (Shut up, it takes me back to my uni days)

    7) Under The Bridge by The Red Hot Chili Peppers

    8) Basket Case by Green Day

    9) Tragedy by Steps (Shut up see song 6)

    10) Hurt by Nine Inch Nails

    11) Kelly's Heroes by Black Grape

    12) One More Time by Daft Punk

    13) No Limit by 2Unlimited

    14) Se A Vida é by Pet Shop Boys

    15) Laid by James

    16) Peaches by The Presidents of the USA


    17) What Is Love by Haddaway

    But my songs listings change a lot.

    A while back I tried to find the video of 'Smack My Bitch Up' (with its twist at the end) on YouTube, but it doesn't appear to exist in its entirety (or it didn't when I looked).
    Although...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20tWDFxQq5A&t=13s
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited November 2023
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
    Remember pre GE19 when people on here wanted Boris hung drawn and quartered for saying he wanted ‘People of colour’ to come here post Brexit, when he’d actually said ‘people of talent’?!

    A truly wonderful day, possibly peak BDS 🤣

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/8241/politicalbetting-com-blog-archive-the-number-that-should-worry-the-tories/p8

  • My 90s soundtrack

    1) Whatever by Oasis

    2) Relight My Fire by Take That

    3) Smack My Bitch Up by The Prodigy

    4) Only Happens When It Rains by Garbage

    5) Mo Money, Mo Problems by The Notorious B.I.G.

    6) Barbie Girl by Aqua (Shut up, it takes me back to my uni days)

    7) Under The Bridge by The Red Hot Chili Peppers

    8) Basket Case by Green Day

    9) Tragedy by Steps (Shut up see song 6)

    10) Hurt by Nine Inch Nails

    11) Kelly's Heroes by Black Grape

    12) One More Time by Daft Punk

    13) No Limit by 2Unlimited

    14) Se A Vida é by Pet Shop Boys

    15) Laid by James

    16) Peaches by The Presidents of the USA


    17) What Is Love by Haddaway

    But my songs listings change a lot.

    A while back I tried to find the video of 'Smack My Bitch Up' (with its twist at the end) on YouTube, but it doesn't appear to exist in its entirety (or it didn't when I looked).
    Although...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20tWDFxQq5A&t=13s
    Edit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCwf4_ZpUpI
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,876
    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    MattW said:

    On the header, I wonder if a steady trickle of these types of Councillor defenestrating themselves is a plus for Mr Starmer?

    I’d say so - the slightly right of centre types who Sir Keir is trying to attract aren’t going to be put off voting Labour by a load of Islamic councillors quitting over Palestine
    One of his remaining issues is that there are still 35 MPs listed as being in the Socialist Campaign Group.

    Though it now allows in all MPs, not just Labour MPs - perhaps to protect Mr Corbyn?

    Not sure how many "independents" are in it - I make it Claudia Webbe, Andy McDonald, Jeremy Corbyn so far.
    If Labour gets 350-400 MPs the reality is we know precious little about many of these people.
    I seem to recall all this nonsense being trotted out before 1997. If Blair won, so it went, he would be a prisoner of the radical Left who would win enough seats to prevent "New" Labour governing effectively.

    419 MPs later...the reason why New Labour didn't govern effectively was nothing to do with "the Left".
    I'd make two points:

    1 - It is not clear that Mr Starmer will get anything like that many MPs.

    2 - The more recent example of an extreme faction is the last 8-9 years of Conservative Governments, and that did not exactly prove their lack-of-influence.
    As to point 1, you're probably right.

    To point 2, I would say one of the first casualties of longevity in office is internal Party discipline. It may well be after a fairly successful first term, the second Starmer team will be more difficult. Both Thatcher and Blair eventually saw internal part discipline erode. If you think you're going to be in power ever, a degree of complacency kicks in - there's a belief you can say and do as you like because you'll always get re-elected (it's probably enhanced if you have a safe seat by the way).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    boulay said:

    viewcode said:

    Madeley. Although, as any fule kno, Richard Madeley based his act on Partridge.
    Thanks Viewcode - before I had my op I gave Viewcode a heads up, as the official keeper of the list of PB Fallen, that he could pronounce my demise if I hadn’t posted after a couple of weeks. I was extremely concerned that my future non posting was noted as due to mere death rather than the horror of being thought to have flounced.

    So remember PB’ers, if you are about to have a quack sticking things in vital bits of your body, and I don’t mean Leon and his products, give Viewcode advance warning rather than risk being thought a flouncer.
    Glad you made it back to let us know.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    boulay said:

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    You are thinking of “Murder on Zidane’s floor” by Sophie Ellis Bextor.
    Just discovered today (while creating questions for a village quiz) that the Dad's Army theme does not contain the line "Mr Brown goes off to work on the A21".

    Growing up in Hastings I was always quite chuffed our terrible road to London was mentioned on the TV every week, so today's revelation has come as a severe shock.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
    Nothing to do with woke - you’re just talking shit.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,174
    edited November 2023
    stodge said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    MattW said:

    isam said:

    MattW said:

    On the header, I wonder if a steady trickle of these types of Councillor defenestrating themselves is a plus for Mr Starmer?

    I’d say so - the slightly right of centre types who Sir Keir is trying to attract aren’t going to be put off voting Labour by a load of Islamic councillors quitting over Palestine
    One of his remaining issues is that there are still 35 MPs listed as being in the Socialist Campaign Group.

    Though it now allows in all MPs, not just Labour MPs - perhaps to protect Mr Corbyn?

    Not sure how many "independents" are in it - I make it Claudia Webbe, Andy McDonald, Jeremy Corbyn so far.
    If Labour gets 350-400 MPs the reality is we know precious little about many of these people.
    I seem to recall all this nonsense being trotted out before 1997. If Blair won, so it went, he would be a prisoner of the radical Left who would win enough seats to prevent "New" Labour governing effectively.

    419 MPs later...the reason why New Labour didn't govern effectively was nothing to do with "the Left".
    I'd make two points:

    1 - It is not clear that Mr Starmer will get anything like that many MPs.

    2 - The more recent example of an extreme faction is the last 8-9 years of Conservative Governments, and that did not exactly prove their lack-of-influence.
    As to point 1, you're probably right.

    To point 2, I would say one of the first casualties of longevity in office is internal Party discipline. It may well be after a fairly successful first term, the second Starmer team will be more difficult. Both Thatcher and Blair eventually saw internal part discipline erode. If you think you're going to be in power ever, a degree of complacency kicks in - there's a belief you can say and do as you like because you'll always get re-elected (it's probably enhanced if you have a safe seat by the way).
    I think on that second one he will need to borrow strategy from Thatcher, not Blair.

    She used pace of change as a weapon to keep movement going in her first X years (X = 7-8, perhaps?), leaving opponents bobbing in her wake. Blairs' first move was to pause, made worse by his 'follow the Tories' pledge for the first year or two.

    I think Mr Starmer will need to come in with a strategy and a plan ready to roll, then start rolling and keep rolling at least for his entire first term.

    I'd say that the Conservatives are setting quite good circumstances for him to do it with their do-nothing-difficult-before-the-Election strategy, combined with a fair amount of baked-in policy that will bear fiscal fruit around 26-28 - for which they can be blamed for a long time.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Out of Space
    Weekender Flowered Up
    America The KLF
    There She Goes The Las
    Jump Around (I've grown used to the horse torture involved over the years) House of Pain
    You Win Again The Bee Gees (especially to sound out of place)
    Friday I'm in Love The Cure
    You Oughta Know Alanis Morissette
    Play Dead Bjork
    Oblivion Terrorvision
    Great Things Echobelly
    My Favourite Game The Cardigans
    Just A Girl No Doubt
    Pure Shores All Saints (the smooch easing
    it into the 2000s)

    Not entirely danceable, but a random selection of classics and varyingly fondly and randomly remembered less than classics.
  • boulay said:

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    You are thinking of “Murder on Zidane’s floor” by Sophie Ellis Bextor.
    Just discovered today (while creating questions for a village quiz) that the Dad's Army theme does not contain the line "Mr Brown goes off to work on the A21".

    Growing up in Hastings I was always quite chuffed our terrible road to London was mentioned on the TV every week, so today's revelation has come as a severe shock.
    "Mr Brown goes off to TOWN on the 8:21"
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    Charlie from Casualty plays one of the gangsters.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,174
    edited November 2023

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    That is probably how a lot of foodbanks have always operated - offer support / companionship as much as food giveaways.

    We just found a future career for Lee Anderson - food bank consultant !
  • All the time we hear of horrendous crimes, criminal and civil, coming before courts.

    Below is an example of something different in the annals of crime and punishment, from the courtroom of (former) Chief Judge Frank Caprio of the Municipal Court of Providence, Rhode Island.

    Caught in Providence - My Husband's Guilty & The broken gavel
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R_qJgBX8XI

    To give you a feel for the show and the Judge, this from his wiki bio:

    In 2021, Caprio started the Filomena Fund, named after his mother, which pays and supports people who are unable to pay for traffic violations. It was started in honor of a single mother from Indiana who sent a letter and a small donation to Caprio. Caprio read the letter on television and has since received similar donations from people all over the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Caprio
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    That is probably how a lot of foodbanks have always operated - offer support / companionship as much as food giveaways.

    We just found a future career for Lee Anderson !
    According to the locals who volunteer at the food bank, they reckon that a lot goes in waste because people don’t want to admit ignorance of how to cook X.

    The pantry idea is that, by sharing stuff, to get people talking at a 1-to-1 level, which makes learning/admitting you don’t know easier, socially.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    boulay said:

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    You are thinking of “Murder on Zidane’s floor” by Sophie Ellis Bextor.
    Just discovered today (while creating questions for a village quiz) that the Dad's Army theme does not contain the line "Mr Brown goes off to work on the A21".

    Growing up in Hastings I was always quite chuffed our terrible road to London was mentioned on the TV every week, so today's revelation has come as a severe shock.
    "Mr Brown goes off to TOWN on the 8:21"
    Sorry yes: "Mr Brown goes off to *town* on the A21", my bad. But Jimmy Perry's mistake not to use the A21*

    (*Although, tbf the A21 is best avoided south of Pembury.)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    Negative gift aid. All donations to charity taxed at your marginal rate.
    Donations to underserving scrounger's charities only; donations to the Tories and Nazi think-tanks, fine.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    But this is absolutely one of the problems in San Francisco
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    edited November 2023
    Pure Morning/Every You Every Me (Placebo)
    6 Underground (Sneaker Pumps)
    Praise You/Right Here Right Now (Fat Boy Slim)
    Block Rockin Beats/Hey Boy, Hey Girl (Chemical Brothers)
    Dominion Day (Gary Numan)
    The Day The World Went Away (NIN, although mostly for the later remix for the Terminator Salvation trailer)
    Komm Zu Mir (Run Lola Run soundtrack)
    Any track from the Matrix. But basically "Clubbed To Death"
    I can't pick one from the Propellerheads.
    My Lovin/Free Your Mind (En Vogue)
    Vision Of Love (Mariah Carey)
    Confide In Me (some skinny Australian, can't remember her name, she was on telly :) )
    Vogue/Justify My Love/Ray of Light (Madonna)
    Damn I wish I was your lover (Sophie B Hawkins)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,399

    boulay said:

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    You are thinking of “Murder on Zidane’s floor” by Sophie Ellis Bextor.
    Just discovered today (while creating questions for a village quiz) that the Dad's Army theme does not contain the line "Mr Brown goes off to work on the A21".

    Growing up in Hastings I was always quite chuffed our terrible road to London was mentioned on the TV every week, so today's revelation has come as a severe shock.
    "Mr Brown goes off to TOWN on the 8:21"
    Sorry yes: "Mr Brown goes off to *town* on the A21", my bad. But Jimmy Perry's mistake not to use the A21*

    (*Although, tbf the A21 is best avoided south of Pembury.)
    Interestingly, the Dad's Army theme had to be edited to fit into the time available. It's covered with a rather clumsy cut immediately after those words.

    https://youtu.be/Jvr6X054xLY?si=_nKvs-xpa7R5s26S
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I hadn't realised it was initially released in the 80s. I disregarded Pure by The Lightning Seeds on that basis! James had a few good tracks - Laid, She's A Star, Fred Astaire.
    Sometimes (surely their true classic), Born of Frustration

    One of the few continuing artists that I can abide on the by-now half hourly "Here is the new record by some old artist from the 20th century, and because they are old bastards it is vaguely wise and life affirming" slot on Radio 2*. Kill me now.

    Probably because they were always vaguely life affirming from a new band.

    *As a rule I can't listen to ANY radio station for more than a short while as they all give me a bit of what I like but then progressively irritate the hell out of me in different ways, so I just have to Keep On Movin'
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,671
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sunak has apparently looked at the north-west of England and decided that London/Home Counties should replicate it. The levelling down agenda.

    - Cancel public transport infrastructure
    - Plaster with motorways
    - Cover remaining patches with Barratt Homes, artificial grass and XL Bullies

    XLBs so long as they have muzzles and no bollocks.

    Rather more worryingly, whatever is bred to replace them won't be covered by the 'breed' specific legislation.
    Whac-a-mole. The DDA was useful in this emergency situation, but a long term solution needed.
    Further to that, I've found the other report I was thinking of, as well as one in the Graun.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12697205/No-money-tempt-kill-XL-Bully-Furious-dog-owners-blast-government-200-puppy-scrappage-scheme-euthanise-pets-charities-face-impossible-task-rehome-animals-December-31-deadline.html

    Just ship them up to Scotland - SG hasn't confirmed a ban yet.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    Pro_Rata said:

    Out of Space
    Weekender Flowered Up
    America The KLF
    There She Goes The Las
    Jump Around (I've grown used to the horse torture involved over the years) House of Pain
    You Win Again The Bee Gees (especially to sound out of place)
    Friday I'm in Love The Cure
    You Oughta Know Alanis Morissette
    Play Dead Bjork
    Oblivion Terrorvision
    Great Things Echobelly
    My Favourite Game The Cardigans
    Just A Girl No Doubt
    Pure Shores All Saints (the smooch easing
    it into the 2000s)

    Not entirely danceable, but a random selection of classics and varyingly fondly and randomly remembered less than classics.

    I now hate myself for omitting Alanis. ☹️
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited November 2023
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
    Nothing to do with woke - you’re just talking shit.
    No, you’re a Stupid Woke Twat

    Sorry, a Great Big Stupid Hairy Twat of Wokeness
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558
    The best year for 90s music was probably 1991 imo.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    Charlie from Casualty plays one of the gangsters.
    In my headcanon he recovered from his injuries and in gratitude changed his name and moved to Holby to become a nurse... 😃
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
    Neil Tennant rap on "West End Girls" = best ever.
    Racist

    It should be “Girls of West End”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    edited November 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    The best year for 90s music was probably 1991 imo.


    Terry Valentine: Did you ever dream about a place you never really recall being to before? A place that maybe only exists in your imagination? Some place far away, half remembered when you wake up. When you were there, though, you knew the language. You knew your way around. *That* was the sixties.

    [pause]

    Terry Valentine: No. It wasn't that either. It was just '66 and early '67. That's all there was.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited November 2023

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.
    They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
    No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    Charlie from Casualty plays one of the gangsters.
    One of the things that I found a bit difficult about the film, watching it just the other day rather than when it came out, was knowing the actors from totally different things - Charlie from Casualty, Denzil and Jumbo from Only Fools & Horses, etc

    Pierce Brosnan as the bloke who’s about to kill Harold!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    ohnotnow said:

    My 90s soundtrack

    1) Whatever by Oasis

    2) Relight My Fire by Take That

    3) Smack My Bitch Up by The Prodigy

    4) Only Happens When It Rains by Garbage

    5) Mo Money, Mo Problems by The Notorious B.I.G.

    6) Barbie Girl by Aqua (Shut up, it takes me back to my uni days)

    7) Under The Bridge by The Red Hot Chili Peppers

    8) Basket Case by Green Day

    9) Tragedy by Steps (Shut up see song 6)

    10) Hurt by Nine Inch Nails

    11) Kelly's Heroes by Black Grape

    12) One More Time by Daft Punk

    13) No Limit by 2Unlimited

    14) Se A Vida é by Pet Shop Boys

    15) Laid by James

    16) Peaches by The Presidents of the USA


    17) What Is Love by Haddaway

    But my songs listings change a lot.

    I'd have to shove in :

    * A Spiritualized track in there (maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm9bHHnz-cg),

    * Possibly the Happy Mondays seeing the decade in (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFBQ0PH5rM4),

    * Public Enemy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw),

    * The Aphex Twin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ827lkktYs),

    * Bjork (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLF-_Z8TK1k)

    * Fatboy Slim (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM)

    * Chemical Brothers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5FyfQDO5g0)

    * Mazzy Star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKY6TZEyrI)

    * PJ Harvey (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvMMEX_7Dlw)

    * Beastie Boys - Sabotage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE)

    * Atari Teenage Riot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4qLrsRhhZE)

    I'll stop there...
    I forgot Bjork as well! I am going to Hell...☹️
  • isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    Charlie from Casualty plays one of the gangsters.
    One of the things that I found a bit difficult about the film, watching it just the other day rather than when it came out, was knowing the actors from totally different things - Charlie from Casualty, Denzil and Jumbo from Only Fools & Horses, etc

    Pierce Brosnan as the bloke who’s about to kill Harold!
    So is Endeavour Morse Jack Regan working undercover, or vice versa?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    edited November 2023
    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to
    food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    If she ever goes on the Tory internet, there tends to be way too much discussion about having banks in her pantries, so I guess it's an easy confusion.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    @isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558
    edited November 2023
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    Charlie from Casualty plays one of the gangsters.
    One of the things that I found a bit difficult about the film, watching it just the other day rather than when it came out, was knowing the actors from totally different things - Charlie from Casualty, Denzil and Jumbo from Only Fools & Horses, etc

    Pierce Brosnan as the bloke who’s about to kill Harold!
    Agree about recognising actors from other things. I watched it for the first time about 10 years ago.

    Interesting fact about the film is that it was filmed in 1979 but wasn't released until 1981.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    edited November 2023
    viewcode said:

    ohnotnow said:

    My 90s soundtrack

    1) Whatever by Oasis

    2) Relight My Fire by Take That

    3) Smack My Bitch Up by The Prodigy

    4) Only Happens When It Rains by Garbage

    5) Mo Money, Mo Problems by The Notorious B.I.G.

    6) Barbie Girl by Aqua (Shut up, it takes me back to my uni days)

    7) Under The Bridge by The Red Hot Chili Peppers

    8) Basket Case by Green Day

    9) Tragedy by Steps (Shut up see song 6)

    10) Hurt by Nine Inch Nails

    11) Kelly's Heroes by Black Grape

    12) One More Time by Daft Punk

    13) No Limit by 2Unlimited

    14) Se A Vida é by Pet Shop Boys

    15) Laid by James

    16) Peaches by The Presidents of the USA


    17) What Is Love by Haddaway

    But my songs listings change a lot.

    I'd have to shove in :

    * A Spiritualized track in there (maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm9bHHnz-cg),

    * Possibly the Happy Mondays seeing the decade in (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFBQ0PH5rM4),

    * Public Enemy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw),

    * The Aphex Twin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ827lkktYs),

    * Bjork (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLF-_Z8TK1k)

    * Fatboy Slim (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM)

    * Chemical Brothers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5FyfQDO5g0)

    * Mazzy Star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKY6TZEyrI)

    * PJ Harvey (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvMMEX_7Dlw)

    * Beastie Boys - Sabotage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE)

    * Atari Teenage Riot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4qLrsRhhZE)

    I'll stop there...
    I forgot Bjork as well! I am going to Hell...☹️
    It's Friday night. You did a random, spur of the moment list. Give your inner completist the night off :)

    EDIT: this post now edited 3 times!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    One of the best actors Britain ever produced. ☹️

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    Charlie from Casualty plays one of the gangsters.
    One of the things that I found a bit difficult about the film, watching it just the other day rather than when it came out, was knowing the actors from totally different things - Charlie from Casualty, Denzil and Jumbo from Only Fools & Horses, etc

    Pierce Brosnan as the bloke who’s about to kill Harold!
    So is Endeavour Morse Jack Regan working undercover, or vice versa?
    I don’t think that is the same at all to be honest
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    Charlie from Casualty plays one of the gangsters.
    One of the things that I found a bit difficult about the film, watching it just the other day rather than when it came out, was knowing the actors from totally different things - Charlie from Casualty, Denzil and Jumbo from Only Fools & Horses, etc

    Pierce Brosnan as the bloke who’s about to kill Harold!
    Agree about recognising actors from other things. I watched it for the first time about 10 years ago.

    Interesting fact about the film is that it was filmed in 1979 but wasn't released until 1981.
    Yes, apparently because the government thought it made the IRA look too powerful
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    Pro_Rata said:

    viewcode said:

    ohnotnow said:

    My 90s soundtrack

    1) Whatever by Oasis

    2) Relight My Fire by Take That

    3) Smack My Bitch Up by The Prodigy

    4) Only Happens When It Rains by Garbage

    5) Mo Money, Mo Problems by The Notorious B.I.G.

    6) Barbie Girl by Aqua (Shut up, it takes me back to my uni days)

    7) Under The Bridge by The Red Hot Chili Peppers

    8) Basket Case by Green Day

    9) Tragedy by Steps (Shut up see song 6)

    10) Hurt by Nine Inch Nails

    11) Kelly's Heroes by Black Grape

    12) One More Time by Daft Punk

    13) No Limit by 2Unlimited

    14) Se A Vida é by Pet Shop Boys

    15) Laid by James

    16) Peaches by The Presidents of the USA


    17) What Is Love by Haddaway

    But my songs listings change a lot.

    I'd have to shove in :

    * A Spiritualized track in there (maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm9bHHnz-cg),

    * Possibly the Happy Mondays seeing the decade in (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFBQ0PH5rM4),

    * Public Enemy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw),

    * The Aphex Twin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ827lkktYs),

    * Bjork (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLF-_Z8TK1k)

    * Fatboy Slim (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM)

    * Chemical Brothers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5FyfQDO5g0)

    * Mazzy Star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKY6TZEyrI)

    * PJ Harvey (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvMMEX_7Dlw)

    * Beastie Boys - Sabotage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE)

    * Atari Teenage Riot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4qLrsRhhZE)

    I'll stop there...
    I forgot Bjork as well! I am going to Hell...☹️
    It's Friday night. You did a silly list. Give your inner completist a night off :)
    If I gave my inner completist the night off, the night will be incomplete! :)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    You are thinking of “Murder on Zidane’s floor” by Sophie Ellis Bextor.
    Just discovered today (while creating questions for a village quiz) that the Dad's Army theme does not contain the line "Mr Brown goes off to work on the A21".

    Growing up in Hastings I was always quite chuffed our terrible road to London was mentioned on the TV every week, so today's revelation has come as a severe shock.
    "Mr Brown goes off to TOWN on the 8:21"
    Sorry yes: "Mr Brown goes off to *town* on the A21", my bad. But Jimmy Perry's mistake not to use the A21*

    (*Although, tbf the A21 is best avoided south of Pembury.)
    Interestingly, the Dad's Army theme had to be edited to fit into the time available. It's covered with a rather clumsy cut immediately after those words.

    https://youtu.be/Jvr6X054xLY?si=_nKvs-xpa7R5s26S
    Like it better with the 'clumsy cut' tbh
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.
    They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
    No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
    To pick something up, because you see someone else going for it, and then getting cold feet later, is a pattern of human behaviour.

    People are strange. They are shy about what they don’t know.

    Helping break down that shyness, that haven’t-done-this-before, without humiliation is also a very human thing. Different things fit different people.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    viewcode said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    viewcode said:

    ohnotnow said:

    My 90s soundtrack

    1) Whatever by Oasis

    2) Relight My Fire by Take That

    3) Smack My Bitch Up by The Prodigy

    4) Only Happens When It Rains by Garbage

    5) Mo Money, Mo Problems by The Notorious B.I.G.

    6) Barbie Girl by Aqua (Shut up, it takes me back to my uni days)

    7) Under The Bridge by The Red Hot Chili Peppers

    8) Basket Case by Green Day

    9) Tragedy by Steps (Shut up see song 6)

    10) Hurt by Nine Inch Nails

    11) Kelly's Heroes by Black Grape

    12) One More Time by Daft Punk

    13) No Limit by 2Unlimited

    14) Se A Vida é by Pet Shop Boys

    15) Laid by James

    16) Peaches by The Presidents of the USA


    17) What Is Love by Haddaway

    But my songs listings change a lot.

    I'd have to shove in :

    * A Spiritualized track in there (maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm9bHHnz-cg),

    * Possibly the Happy Mondays seeing the decade in (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFBQ0PH5rM4),

    * Public Enemy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw),

    * The Aphex Twin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ827lkktYs),

    * Bjork (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLF-_Z8TK1k)

    * Fatboy Slim (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM)

    * Chemical Brothers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5FyfQDO5g0)

    * Mazzy Star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKY6TZEyrI)

    * PJ Harvey (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvMMEX_7Dlw)

    * Beastie Boys - Sabotage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE)

    * Atari Teenage Riot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4qLrsRhhZE)

    I'll stop there...
    I forgot Bjork as well! I am going to Hell...☹️
    It's Friday night. You did a silly list. Give your inner completist a night off :)
    If I gave my inner completist the night off, the night will be incomplete! :)
    Not if you gave it the complete night off.
  • Courthouse News - Eric Trump takes full responsibility for Allen Weisselberg’s shady severance package

    Eric Trump resumed his testimony after a heated argument between Trump's lawyers and the judge.

    MANHATTAN (CN) — On a short Friday in New York state court in Manhattan, Eric Trump returned to the stand to complete his direct examination in his family’s $250 million civil fraud case.

    The 39-year-old, following up clumsy Thursday testimony that appeared to include waves of contradictory statements, continued to fumble over his answers on Friday as he was presented with evidence.

    Guided by questioning from Andrew Amer of the attorney general’s office, Eric Trump took full responsibility for former CFO Allen Weisselberg’s controversial $2 million severance package from the Trump Organization.

    The terms of the six-page agreement include a non-disparagement clause that instructs Weisselberg not to “criticize or denigrate the company or any of its current or former entities, officers, directors, managers, employees, owners, or representatives.” It also barred him from cooperating with authorities in an investigation into the Trump Organization, “except for acts or testimony directly compelled by subpoena or other lawful process issued by a court of competent jurisdiction.”

    Weisselberg signed the agreement on Jan. 9, one day before he was sentenced to five months in prison for tax fraud. He had remained on the Trump payroll even after pleading guilty and testifying as the government's star witness when the case against two Trump-owned businesses went to trial last year — and was still incarcerated when he was supposed to receive the first of eight severance payments on March 31, according to a payment schedule shown in court.

    Eric Trump’s signed Weisselberg's severance agreement on behalf of the Trump Organization. Amer asked if Donald Trump had instructed him to do so.

    “No he did not,” Eric Trump replied. “I did this agreement with Mr. Weisselberg.”

    Before that exchange Amer also pressed Eric Trump about financial statements in which the Trumps listed Mar-a-Lago as a private residence — a move that would increase its value.

    “It is very clear that Mar-a-Lago is a private residence, not a club,” Eric Trump said Friday.

    However, the Trumps simultaneously assessed the Palm Beach resort as a corporate entity for tax purposes. When presented with the tax paperwork moments later, Eric Trump acknowledged that it is, in fact, a club, seemingly contradicting his earlier testimony that it was a private residence.

    “It is used as a private club,” he conceded.

    “Did you understand… that by categorizing a portion of Mar-a-Lago as residential it would increase the tax assessment," Amer asked, "because the rate that applies to residential properties is higher than the rate that applies to commercial properties?”

    Eric Trump said he was “potentially” aware that was the case. . . .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Watched The Long Good Friday last week, and now I’m constantly rewatching the last two mins of it - one of the greatest scenes in British film history I reckon

    Just shows what a brilliant actor Bob Hoskins was. That transformation from anger and bemusement to a resigned slightly sick smile is remarkable.
    Charlie from Casualty plays one of the gangsters.
    One of the things that I found a bit difficult about the film, watching it just the other day rather than when it came out, was knowing the actors from totally different things - Charlie from Casualty, Denzil and Jumbo from Only Fools & Horses, etc

    Pierce Brosnan as the bloke who’s about to kill Harold!
    You should have seen it when it first came out. :smile:
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited November 2023

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.
    They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
    No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
    To pick something up, because you see someone else going for it, and then getting cold feet later, is a pattern of human behaviour.

    People are strange. They are shy about what they don’t know.

    Helping break down that shyness, that haven’t-done-this-before, without humiliation is also a very human thing. Different things fit different people.
    Indeed. Which is why we only ever allow one shopper at a time.
    Some are very curious and will ask about everything.
    Others very regimented in their choices.
    Some thrive in groups others don't.
    It's why we have a chat before anyone gets anything.
    Again. Some love the chance to talk. It may be the only "therapy" they'll ever get.
    Others don't.
    It's far more than giving folk food.
    I've learned more there than I did at University. Mind you I went to LSE.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited November 2023
    viewcode said:

    @isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.

    OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)

    How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)

    I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)

    The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)

    And

    Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)


    https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV

    Sublime
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Ghedebrav said:

    ‘Black music’ is not a genre.

    Try telling that to my racist aunt. Though 'Black' was not the descriptor she used.

    Pretty much the only time I've felt compelled to call someone out in person.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    boulay said:

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    You are thinking of “Murder on Zidane’s floor” by Sophie Ellis Bextor.
    I bet you look good on Zidanes floor, Shirley
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Very good!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
    Best soundtrack: The Third Man
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    @isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.

    OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)

    How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)

    I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)

    The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)

    And

    Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)


    https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV

    Sublime
    TV not film, but Twin Peaks
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    and probably the cheapest
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,399
    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    and probably the cheapest
    They had to pull a lot of strings to get it though.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
    ydoethur said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    and probably the cheapest
    They had to pull a lot of strings to get it though.
    34
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.
    They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
    No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
    To pick something up, because you see someone else going for it, and then getting cold feet later, is a pattern of human behaviour.

    People are strange. They are shy about what they don’t know.

    Helping break down that shyness, that haven’t-done-this-before, without humiliation is also a very human thing. Different things fit different people.
    Things that trouble me deeply:

    1. The growth of food banks over the past 15 years.
    2. That a family with both parents working full-time can't live without UC or similar support.
    3. That we subsidise BTL owners through Housing Benefit or UC housing element.
    ...
    I could go on.

    All these in the nation that has the 6th largest economy in the world.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    You are thinking of “Murder on Zidane’s floor” by Sophie Ellis Bextor.
    Just discovered today (while creating questions for a village quiz) that the Dad's Army theme does not contain the line "Mr Brown goes off to work on the A21".

    Growing up in Hastings I was always quite chuffed our terrible road to London was mentioned on the TV every week, so today's revelation has come as a severe shock.
    "Mr Brown goes off to TOWN on the 8:21"
    Sorry yes: "Mr Brown goes off to *town* on the A21", my bad. But Jimmy Perry's mistake not to use the A21*

    (*Although, tbf the A21 is best avoided south of Pembury.)
    Interestingly, the Dad's Army theme had to be edited to fit into the time available. It's covered with a rather clumsy cut immediately after those words.

    https://youtu.be/Jvr6X054xLY?si=_nKvs-xpa7R5s26S
    Like it better with the 'clumsy cut' tbh
    I thought it was referring to the headcode of the train: 2A21

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G94121/2023-11-03/detailed
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    ydoethur said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    and probably the cheapest
    They had to pull a lot of strings to get it though.
    As puns go, that's a plucky attempt.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    Angelo Badalamenti’s masterpiece Twin Peaks.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Leon said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    But this is absolutely one of the problems in San Francisco
    The people living in the tents are the problem, not the actual tents
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    Hmm. The main theme is iconic and evocative, but would you listen to it by itself, for pleasure?

  • ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    James "Sit Down" was a nice one - often played last thing at a club to chill out a little.

    Although it sorta doesn't qualify - it was apparently first released in June 1989, and was not a hit. It was then re-released in a shorter form in 1991 and got to No. 2. (According to Wiki...)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit_Down_(song)

    I thought it was a tribute to Zinedine Zidane.

    Whoa Zidane
    Whoa Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    Zidane, Zidane, Zidane, Zidane
    Zidane next to me
    You are thinking of “Murder on Zidane’s floor” by Sophie Ellis Bextor.
    Just discovered today (while creating questions for a village quiz) that the Dad's Army theme does not contain the line "Mr Brown goes off to work on the A21".

    Growing up in Hastings I was always quite chuffed our terrible road to London was mentioned on the TV every week, so today's revelation has come as a severe shock.
    "Mr Brown goes off to TOWN on the 8:21"
    Sorry yes: "Mr Brown goes off to *town* on the A21", my bad. But Jimmy Perry's mistake not to use the A21*

    (*Although, tbf the A21 is best avoided south of Pembury.)
    Interestingly, the Dad's Army theme had to be edited to fit into the time available. It's covered with a rather clumsy cut immediately after those words.

    https://youtu.be/Jvr6X054xLY?si=_nKvs-xpa7R5s26S
    Like it better with the 'clumsy cut' tbh
    I thought it was referring to the headcode of the train: 2A21

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G94121/2023-11-03/detailed
    Gravesend isn't on the coast!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.
    They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
    No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
    To pick something up, because you see someone else going for it, and then getting cold feet later, is a pattern of human behaviour.

    People are strange. They are shy about what they don’t know.

    Helping break down that shyness, that haven’t-done-this-before, without humiliation is also a very human thing. Different things fit different people.
    Things that trouble me deeply:

    1. The growth of food banks over the past 15 years.
    2. That a family with both parents working full-time can't live without UC or similar support.
    3. That we subsidise BTL owners through Housing Benefit or UC housing element.
    ...
    I could go on.

    All these in the nation that has the 6th largest economy in the world.
    What on earth does the total GDP have to do with it? The per capita figure, sure.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
     
    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    Hmm. The main theme is iconic and evocative, but would you listen to it by itself, for pleasure?

    No, but you're making up the criteria as you go

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    @isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.

    OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)

    How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)

    I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)

    The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)

    And

    Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)


    https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV

    Sublime
    The P&P soundtrack is a good choice. Good film too, despite Knightley's continual trademark smirking.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Anyway, Underworld - Born Slippy is the ultimate 90s song

    https://youtu.be/XiMrrleH_hI?si=i_KVHZZI2ROAmreW
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
    Neil Tennant rap on "West End Girls" = best ever.
    Racist

    It should be “Girls of West End”
    I want to live like People of Common.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.
    They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
    No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
    To pick something up, because you see someone else going for it, and then getting cold feet later, is a pattern of human behaviour.

    People are strange. They are shy about what they don’t know.

    Helping break down that shyness, that haven’t-done-this-before, without humiliation is also a very human thing. Different things fit different people.
    Things that trouble me deeply:

    1. The growth of food banks over the past 15 years.
    2. That a family with both parents working full-time can't live without UC or similar support.
    3. That we subsidise BTL owners through Housing Benefit or UC housing element.
    ...
    I could go on.

    All these in the nation that has the 6th largest economy in the world.
    What on earth does the total GDP have to do with it? The per capita figure, sure.
    Whatever. My three points still remain unanswered though.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    geoffw said:

     

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    Hmm. The main theme is iconic and evocative, but would you listen to it by itself, for pleasure?

    No, but you're making up the criteria as you go

    Fair enough

    To be the best I think it has to be

    Original to the film
    Perfectly suited to the film
    But also music you would listen to by itself without the film

    I was about to say Cavatina in the Deer Hunter but it turns out that has a more complex history:


    “Cavatina" is a 1970 classical guitar piece by British composer Stanley Myers based on music originally written for the soundtrack of the film The Walking Stick (1970). After Myers expanded the piece and it was recorded by guitarist John Williams, "Cavatina" was popularized as the theme from the 1978 film The Deer Hunter.”


    (Wiki)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
    Neil Tennant rap on "West End Girls" = best ever.
    Racist

    It should be “Girls of West End”
    I want to live like People of Common.
    Genuine LOL here in Falmouth
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    CatMan said:

    Anyway, Underworld - Born Slippy is the ultimate 90s song

    https://youtu.be/XiMrrleH_hI?si=i_KVHZZI2ROAmreW

    Also superbly used in Trainspotting, of course. But not original to the movie so cannot be included

    But a bloody great song
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    @isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.

    OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)

    How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)

    I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)

    The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)

    And

    Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)


    https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV

    Sublime
    The P&P soundtrack is a good choice. Good film too, despite Knightley's continual trademark smirking.
    Sounds like she could play Priti Patel in a biopic.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Just keep on doing what you’re doing to me

    Wrong forum?
    It’s a line from “Thinking of You”

    Sister Sledge

    It really is one of the triumphant moments of pop
    music. Up there with MmmBop and There She Goes

    Pure joy turned into genius guitar and exuberant bass

    And it’s so happy. Pop music used to capture and distill happiness and mainline it into you

    https://youtu.be/9iUE4F9UHok?si=hJ2SlbQ3Rhrx5Syp
    I had a take about a decade ago that one of the big differences between pop music now and that of the 60s-80s was the lack of vulnerability shown/sadness that a relationship ended. Don’t know if that’s actually proven by the stats. I am so out of the loop now I wouldn’t know, but it seems to me that music is now more boastful and tough than it once was
    Something in that, however “Thinking of You” is about the sheer unadulterated joy of being in love: the pristine happiness. And, magically, the music captures that and shares it with the listener

    Sublime. As good as any single piece of classical music to my mind - and I love classical music
    Yes, what brought to mind my old thought was the vulnerability & lack of cynicism shown by the singer in “Thinking of You” - just flat out saying her man was what makes life living.
    Ah. I see. Then yes I agree

    Black music used to be so creative and joyous, one of the great artistic genres of human history - now it seems poisoned by violence, misogyny, vulgarity, monotony - rap, drill, r&b, drum n bass, more rap
    ‘Black music’ is not a musical genre, though African American musicians have helped birth several new musical forms.

    And a billion BTS fans disagree with you about rap. FWIW.
    i think the Pedantic Woke are even worse than the Woke

    OK, Music of Black Origin. Is that OK? I mean, they have awards for that

    This is like People of Colour being fine, but Coloured People gets you sacked
    Neil Tennant rap on "West End Girls" = best ever.
    Racist

    It should be “Girls of West End”
    I want to live like People of Common.
    Genuine LOL here in Falmouth
    Mouth of Fal
  • 90s music? I still hold a flame for The Hit Factory. Kylie's Better the Devil You Know was spectacular - and Rhythm of Love which it came off is her best SAW album.

    Utterly loved early 90s House music. And then one day at college (A-Levels) I heard someone playing Definitely Maybe by Oasis. And the world changed...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    @isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.

    OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)

    How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)

    I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)

    The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)

    And

    Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)


    https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV

    Sublime
    The P&P soundtrack is a good choice. Good film too, despite Knightley's continual trademark smirking.
    Sounds like she could play Priti Patel in a biopic.
    She's far too pretty for Priti.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    @isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.

    OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)

    How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)

    I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)

    The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)

    And

    Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)


    https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV

    Sublime
    The P&P soundtrack is a good choice. Good film too, despite Knightley's continual trademark smirking.
    I think her continual smirking at me is summat I'd be prepared to tolerate on an hourly basis.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Poor Charles having to read out what crap no 10 is going to offer for the next 12 months .

    I suppose he should feel relieved because the stain on humanity had originally thought of just culling the homeless , instead she’ll just hope for a freezing winter to finish them off .

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
    edited November 2023
    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

     

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Best soundtrack: The Third Man

    Hmm. The main theme is iconic and evocative, but would you listen to it by itself, for pleasure?

    No, but you're making up the criteria as you go

    Fair enough

    To be the best I think it has to be

    Original to the film
    Perfectly suited to the film
    But also music you would listen to by itself without the film

    I was about to say Cavatina in the Deer Hunter but it turns out that has a more complex history:


    “Cavatina" is a 1970 classical guitar piece by British composer Stanley Myers based on music originally written for the soundtrack of the film The Walking Stick (1970). After Myers expanded the piece and it was recorded by guitarist John Williams, "Cavatina" was popularized as the theme from the 1978 film The Deer Hunter.”


    (Wiki)
    ok then, the soundtrack to Elvira Madigan
    I've listened to that dozens of times

    edit - Pfft not actually written for the film!

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    CatMan said:

    Leon said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    But this is absolutely one of the problems in San Francisco
    The people living in the tents are the problem, not the actual tents
    No.
    That people have no other way to survive than to live in tents is the problem.
    Not the people. Nor the tents.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    BTW, Update on my solitary post from early this morning: we were out of the office and in the pub by half past four. Mission accomplished.
  • 90s music - tomorrow night I'm doing Killing in the Name at our local Punk Rock Karaoke night. Brings the house down every time.
  • Leon said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    But this is absolutely one of the problems in San Francisco
    It's a disgrace that people are sleeping out in the open in tents.

    They should only be allowed a thin sleeping bag.

  • Modern music? I have to put in a word for Steven Wilson's The Harmony Codex (my avatar). Its his OK Computer - brilliantly simple yet fiendishly complicated. Several bits of it are practically orgasmic.

    Geek bits. SW says listen to the album in Atmos on Apple Music (after attacking iPods in the past). Yes it sounds spectacular in pseudo-Atmos. But Apple Music's interface is sheissen compared to Spotify. So I'm not going to pay extra dollah for it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.
    They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
    No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
    To pick something up, because you see someone else going for it, and then getting cold feet later, is a pattern of human behaviour.

    People are strange. They are shy about what they don’t know.

    Helping break down that shyness, that haven’t-done-this-before, without humiliation is also a very human thing. Different things fit different people.
    Things that trouble me deeply:

    1. The growth of food banks over the past 15 years.
    2. That a family with both parents working full-time can't live without UC or similar support.
    3. That we subsidise BTL owners through Housing Benefit or UC housing element.
    ...
    I could go on.

    All these in the nation that has the 6th largest economy in the world.
    What on earth does the total GDP have to do with it? The per capita figure, sure.
    Whatever. My three points still remain unanswered though.
    Counterpoints:

    1. Supply-driven due to Cameron allowing vouchers to be handed out at job centres not just by GPs and social workers. Hence the proliferation of the Trussel trust. Also self-perpetuating: the shame of asking for help is diminished when other people are doing it. This reduction in societal shame is probably a good thing.
    2. Two parents in min wage full time jobs would have a gross income of £34000. Won't wash in London, but fine oop north.
    3. We're subsidising the tenant.

    (I won't claim to be sure about any of these, but since you asked....)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Ennio Morricone for just about anything, of course.

    No one comes close.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    Leon said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    But this is absolutely one of the problems in San Francisco
    It's a disgrace that people are sleeping out in the open in tents.

    They should only be allowed a thin sleeping bag.

    I blame the wokist recyclers - they've led to a shortage of cardboard boxes.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    dixiedean said:

    CatMan said:

    Leon said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    But this is absolutely one of the problems in San Francisco
    The people living in the tents are the problem, not the actual tents
    No.
    That people have no other way to survive than to live in tents is the problem.
    Not the people. Nor the tents.
    There are shelters and hostels. But you have to be sober and not a druggie to stay there.

    So people live in tents in the arches outside Bradford Forster Square station instead.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Leon said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    But this is absolutely one of the problems in San Francisco
    Braverman should fuck off to San Fransisco then.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    If Suella Braverman is Home Secretary on general election day then I will be voting Labour.



    https://twitter.com/prospect_clark/status/1720540465831768527

    Next up: make it an offence to give food to food banks?
    If she's making a leadership bit then giving to food 'pantries' might make more sense.
    ??
    Penny Mordaunt refers to her local foodbanks as 'food pantries' as they are different, in some way.
    Yes, because people only come to them for luxuries, you know, like petits fours and scones with clotted cream. All the jars have little check gingham cloth covers especially put over the lids, too.
    The “pantries” are a slightly different concept to “food banks” - the idea is something like a shared larder, rather than giving people a box of food.

    The idea is to reduce food waste by cooperation between people and to encourage exchanging cooking skills and ideas.
    My food bank never "gave" anyone anything.
    They chose from a large selection which was freely offered.
    No one needed to take anything they didn't know how to cook. Why would they?
    To pick something up, because you see someone else going for it, and then getting cold feet later, is a pattern of human behaviour.

    People are strange. They are shy about what they don’t know.

    Helping break down that shyness, that haven’t-done-this-before, without humiliation is also a very human thing. Different things fit different people.
    Things that trouble me deeply:

    1. The growth of food banks over the past 15 years.
    2. That a family with both parents working full-time can't live without UC or similar support.
    3. That we subsidise BTL owners through Housing Benefit or UC housing element.
    ...
    I could go on.

    All these in the nation that has the 6th largest economy in the world.
    What on earth does the total GDP have to do with it? The per capita figure, sure.
    Whatever. My three points still remain unanswered though.
    Counterpoints:

    1. Supply-driven due to Cameron allowing vouchers to be handed out at job centres not just by GPs and social workers. Hence the proliferation of the Trussel trust. Also self-perpetuating: the shame of asking for help is diminished when other people are doing it. This reduction in societal shame is probably a good thing.
    2. Two parents in min wage full time jobs would have a gross income of £34000. Won't wash in London, but fine oop north.
    3. We're subsidising the tenant.

    (I won't claim to be sure about any of these, but since you asked....)
    Vouchers ought not to be a thing.
    I'd refuse to volunteer for any food bank that required them as a condition.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    @isam, the guy who did the soundtrack for The Long Good Friday was Francis Monkman. The soundtrack, and in particular the ending, is on YouTube, along with some nice remixes/covers.

    OK here’s something maybe more interesting that “fave 90s music” (I mean, really??)

    How about Best Original Soundtrack - musicals excluded (they don’t count)

    I’m going for Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightley version)

    The Wicker Man (An extraordinary unique thing by Paul Giovanni, who died soon after)

    And

    Schindler’s List (the main theme of that could easily be a masterpiece from the golden age of classical music)


    https://youtu.be/cLgJQ8Zj3AA?si=t9gRP6bXEZdixrcV

    Sublime
    Chariots of Fire:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8a-HfNE3EIo
  • AI Music? lets have a thumbs-up for Now and Then by The Beatles. The newly released video demonstrates just how long this track took to get made.

    Yoko Ahoy handed over the original demo in 1994. They worked on it as a 3 piece in 1995 (as shown on the video) but couldn't pull out John's vocals from the Piano from the 60hz buzz, so dropped it from completion for Anthology 3.

    And now AI fixes it. Set aside whether you like the song or not (and I do). The technology to realise this is stunning. Yes I sound like @Leon but AI is here and we can't ignore it.
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