Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.
At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.
“Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
I mentioned a couple of threads back that the woman who I spoke to at the Labour conference who had been doing a lot of canvassing said it wasn't in the bag - Con and Lab were neck and neck with LDs quite a way back, but a lot of undecided ex-Tories. I've bet accordingly, and at the time of writing it's 2.36 Lab/2.66 Con, which sounds about right. The Labour conference was marginalised by Gaza, though it'd be useful to see a post-Starmer speech poll.
I don't think Tamworth is in the bag either to the extent that Betfair thinks (Labour 1.3).
Israel releases images of babies murdered and burned by Hamas as 'verified photos' of others beheaded by terrorists are 'confirmed' by local media and rescue team reveals pregnant woman 'had child sliced from her womb'
Lights don’t bring dead people back. This virtue signaling is now getting ridiculous . And this ridiculous Jews Don’t Count accusation.
Says the person who is saying Jews can't defend themselves from people who are deliberately murdering babies, children and cutting babies out of pregnant women's wombs.
Oh enough with this . You’ve made your point and I think we get it !
By the way over 450 children in Gaza have now been killed , any thoughts on that ? Israel of course has a right to defend itself but with that comes the acceptance that the civilian casualties in Gaza will go through the roof .
Yes I have thoughts on that.
Every single one of those dead children are entirely and squarely the fault of evil Hamas who wreaked this and started this war.
Hopefully a country like Iran or Russia that says they support Palestine will allow its refugees safe haven so they can avoid this fight.
Or does supporting Palestine only go as far as killing Jews, not providing refuge from a conflict?
On topic, Badenoch has disappointed as a Minister. And Mordaunt's 'stand up and fight' speech was empty-headed and batshit insane.
Mordaunt seems strangely insecure in the setting of a leadership debate or set piece speech. She'd obviously worked a lot on her conference speech but the end result was both wooden and weird.
Don't mind that at all. Far better than the lunatics like Truss and Braverman that barge their way in. The problem the Tories have is that they are fragmenting because the whole project has fallen apart.
At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.
(Runs for cover )
No argument from me although Soldiers Song is the best of the four home nations even though half the time Ireland just sing that Ireland’s Call pile of wank.
Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.
Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.
(Runs for cover )
No argument from me although Soldiers Song is the best of the four home nations even though half the time Ireland just sing that Ireland’s Call pile of wank.
David Lammy @DavidLammy · 33m Labour fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect civilians, in line with international law.
We must distinguish Hamas terrorists from the Palestinian people. There must be humanitarian access to Gaza, for food, water, medicines and electricity.
"The U.S. and Qatari governments have agreed to block Iran from accessing any of the $6 billion it gained access to as part of a prisoner swap deal between the Biden administration and Tehran last month."
At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.
(Runs for cover )
No argument from me although Soldiers Song is the best of the four home nations even though half the time Ireland just sing that Ireland’s Call pile of wank.
Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.
(Runs for cover )
No argument from me although Soldiers Song is the best of the four home nations even though half the time Ireland just sing that Ireland’s Call pile of wank.
Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.
“Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.
“Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
David Lammy @DavidLammy · 33m Labour fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect civilians, in line with international law.
We must distinguish Hamas terrorists from the Palestinian people. There must be humanitarian access to Gaza, for food, water, medicines and electricity.
If Egypt or the Red Cross/Red Crescent want to provide those they can, but Israel is under no obligation to do so.
And blockades during war are entirely legal.
If Egypt chooses to blockade Gaza too, when they're not even the ones under attack, then that's not Israel's fault.
Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.
“Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
Well, he's not wrong.
Hence why Israel almost certainly has nuclear weapons
At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
Indeed. I only learnt a couple of days ago. And works for the NHS. And his sister is a care worker who struggles with her bills.
How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
It's pretty obvious really. A lot of the entryists have left again.
U.S. Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin is expected to Travel to Israel tomorrow where he will reportedly Meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu and Israeli Defense Officials to discuss the ongoing Situation in the North and South of the Country.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.
“Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
Well, he's not wrong.
Pretty sure Iran wants to wipe out Israel has also been a constant refrain from Bibi & Co.
Years ago some of my jewish friends tried to persuade me that much of the ardent sympathy for Palestine was, actually, sublimated anti Semitism. A stealthy way you were “allowed” to be anti Jewish
I loudly disagreed, citing Israel’s cruelty. Now I suspect they were right. Half these people don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just hate Jews
I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.
I was just watching C4 News on catchup. No warning was given, and the video news coverage was possibly the most distressing I haver ever seen. An apology was given after.
I've had enough of the human race. Can we please start again and be a bit kinder to each other the next time.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
Indeed. I only learnt a couple of days ago. And works for the NHS. And his sister is a care worker who struggles with her bills.
How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
Perhaps because he is a rich, lefty lawyer who is MP for Holborn and has a knighthood.
On topic, Badenoch has disappointed as a Minister. And Mordaunt's 'stand up and fight' speech was empty-headed and batshit insane.
Mordaunt seems strangely insecure in the setting of a leadership debate or set piece speech. She'd obviously worked a lot on her conference speech but the end result was both wooden and weird.
Don't mind that at all. Far better than the lunatics like Truss and Braverman that barge their way in. The problem the Tories have is that they are fragmenting because the whole project has fallen apart.
A Badenoch/Mordaunt leadership team with high profile roles for Gillian Keegan and Michelle Donellan (if she holds her seat) might be pretty effective at winning back support from female voters - vital for the Tories. So long as they focus on bread and butter issues and resile from all the identity issues etc and don't go down an alt right rabbit hole. Starmer is not much loved and could soon find himself having to make some tough choices. The fate of Francois Hollande is something Labour will have to work to avoid duplicating. It really could go either way.
[translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.
At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
Indeed. I only learnt a couple of days ago. And works for the NHS. And his sister is a care worker who struggles with her bills.
How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
Perhaps because he is a rich, lefty lawyer who is MP for Holborn and has a knighthood.
Well, yes, but he seems relatively normal for all that.
At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
Indeed. I only learnt a couple of days ago. And works for the NHS. And his sister is a care worker who struggles with her bills.
How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
Perhaps because he is a rich, lefty lawyer who is MP for Holborn and has a knighthood.
I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.
I was just watching C4 News on catchup. No warning was given, and the video news coverage was possibly the most distressing I haver ever seen. An apology was given after.
I've had enough of the human race. Can we please start again and be a bit kinder to each other the next time.
There's a lot of goodness in the human race. But when we go bad, boy do we commit hard to that.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
[translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.
In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
Are you seriously claiming that mass immigration from Muslim countries doesn’t add to domestic anti-Semitism? Really??
David Lammy @DavidLammy · 33m Labour fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect civilians, in line with international law.
We must distinguish Hamas terrorists from the Palestinian people. There must be humanitarian access to Gaza, for food, water, medicines and electricity.
Problem is that when humanitarian aid gave Hamas water pipes to provide water they ripped them out and turned them into rockets.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
No. They were fine
So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
Playing devil's advocate here, is this a binary issue then? Either it has been a disaster overall or it hasn't, no question of partial success or failure, or some more successful than others?
Years ago some of my jewish friends tried to persuade me that much of the ardent sympathy for Palestine was, actually, sublimated anti Semitism. A stealthy way you were “allowed” to be anti Jewish
I loudly disagreed, citing Israel’s cruelty. Now I suspect they were right. Half these people don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just hate Jews
I'm wary of firm views, as all know. But when you see protests/celebrations so quickly devolve into outright anti-semitism, or people who are usually so strident suddenly discovering the moral gray area on these matters and 'complexity' of condemning atrocity, well, it leads to certain conclusions.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
No. They were fine
So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
It is not black or white but grey.
The overriding factor is whether the incoming communities are willing to be part of the host community and accept what it is or decides to keep itself separate and takes the view it wants little to do with the host community's values and beliefs.
So no one would say that the Ugandan Indian or Sikh communities overall have not integrated because, while they kept their customs, beliefs and traditions, they also recognise that they live in the UK and that, where the two conflict, the formers' views have to subordinate to those of the latter.
There are maybe other communities that are less like that.
I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.
Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.
* I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
Are you seriously claiming that mass immigration from Muslim countries doesn’t add to domestic anti-Semitism? Really??
No, I am merely pointing out that multiculturalism has been very successful for many immigrant groups, allowing distinctive communities with their own customs to blossom within the British Isles. Not least in my own adopted city of Leicester.
I have never failed to condemn Islamism. The quid pro quo for multicultural acceptance is that communities need to accept that other distinctive communities have the right to exist too.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
No. They were fine
So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
That's a comically weak argument. The scale of migration and demographic change in the last 30 years is unprecedented.
I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.
Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.
* I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
I have had €60 stuck in my wallet for three years I never get to spend when in the EU. During the short lived Truss premiership, this meant I single handedly kept the balance of payments from total collapse.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
F'rwxample:
Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.
It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
[translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.
In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
And, of course, the implicit allegation here - from Hamas! - is that the “ordinary citizens” of Gaza are rabid anti semites who can’t be trusted with a spade lest thru use it to slice a Jewish baby in half. Which is probably the case with plenty of them
[translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.
In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
Definitely there has been anti-semitism but not sure about the virulent part, unless you are going all the way back to the 12/13th Centuries. Remember Disraeli was PM in the 19th Century and Jewish people certainly played more of a part in business, politics etc than virtually every other European country. The anti-semitism part was more akin to the same discrimination shown to those of a 'lower class' than outright violence.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
F'rwxample:
Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.
It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
I believe anti Semitism is so ubiquitous it is practically a human universal. As I was saying the other day. Eg there is anti Semitism in Japan - which has never had a significant Jewish population
However it is undeniable that you will find it in certain places and times more than others
Today I received a piece of mail that reminds of the many in our world who are kind, even to strangers. It is a catalog from Heifer International, which donates farm animals to needy people in much of the world. (I like the principle, giving people ways to make food, rather than food itself.
They also provide training in taking care of the animals, which may be even more important.
For example, they say the two goats that Lazarus Mtika of Malawi received have transformed his life, and the life of his family.
(When he was a small boy, the thatched roof of his family home caught fire, His father rescued him, but the boy was severely burned. When he recovered and was able to leave the ICU unit, a priest at the hospital gave him the Lazarus nickname. And he has done well enough so that he has recently been able to afford a sheet metal roof for his family.)
Years ago some of my jewish friends tried to persuade me that much of the ardent sympathy for Palestine was, actually, sublimated anti Semitism. A stealthy way you were “allowed” to be anti Jewish
I loudly disagreed, citing Israel’s cruelty. Now I suspect they were right. Half these people don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just hate Jews
Half? That's generous.
When it comes to bashing the Jews there's a list of countries prepared to do that longer than your arm. If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions
How many of those countries are currently offering a safe haven now to Palestinians to help them avoid conflict? Zero?
I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.
Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.
* I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
I have had €60 stuck in my wallet for three years I never get to spend when in the EU. During the short lived Truss premiership, this meant I single handedly kept the balance of payments from total collapse.
I have small quantities of various foreign currencies from previous holidays. I don’t know whether they will ever be used, although they are worth more than if I had exchanged them when I came home from the various trips.
[translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.
In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
And, of course, the implicit allegation here - from Hamas! - is that the “ordinary citizens” of Gaza are rabid anti semites who can’t be trusted with a spade lest thru use it to slice a Jewish baby in half. Which is probably the case with plenty of them
To be fair, if you gently consulted opinion in most kebab and Turkish barber shops and car washes across the country they'd probably share similar views, if they trusted you.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
No. They were fine
So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
It is not black or white but grey.
The overriding factor is whether the incoming communities are willing to be part of the host community and accept what it is or decides to keep itself separate and takes the view it wants little to do with the host community's values and beliefs.
So no one would say that the Ugandan Indian or Sikh communities overall have not integrated because, while they kept their customs, beliefs and traditions, they also recognise that they live in the UK and that, where the two conflict, the formers' views have to subordinate to those of the latter.
There are maybe other communities that are less like that.
Rather off-yet-not topic - I've been enjoying watching this series :
Lots of travelling around the UK (well, England) talking to Sikh's, Bangladeshi's, Bengali's, etc etc who have made something foodie down the years since moving here. Kinda uplifting in amongst all this gloom.
I may also have a terrible crush on the presenter Nisha Katona. But that's another matter.
Years ago some of my jewish friends tried to persuade me that much of the ardent sympathy for Palestine was, actually, sublimated anti Semitism. A stealthy way you were “allowed” to be anti Jewish
I loudly disagreed, citing Israel’s cruelty. Now I suspect they were right. Half these people don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just hate Jews
There are plenty of us who have felt a lot of sympathy for Palestinians over many years, and criticised the actions of the Israeli state, who maybe thought that some of the rhetoric was exaggerated, but didn't take it seriously enough, and have been shocked out of a certain complacency by these attacks.
[translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.
In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
There are reports that plans for the raid have been found on killed attackers, so presumably we will find out in due course.
I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.
Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.
* I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
What should be king is a multiculture of different methods of payment, none dominating the other.
[translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.
In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
And, of course, the implicit allegation here - from Hamas! - is that the “ordinary citizens” of Gaza are rabid anti semites who can’t be trusted with a spade lest thru use it to slice a Jewish baby in half. Which is probably the case with plenty of them
To be fair, if you gently consulted opinion in most kebab and Turkish barber shops and car washes across the country they'd probably share similar views, if they trusted you.
[translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.
In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
And, of course, the implicit allegation here - from Hamas! - is that the “ordinary citizens” of Gaza are rabid anti semites who can’t be trusted with a spade lest thru use it to slice a Jewish baby in half. Which is probably the case with plenty of them
To be fair, if you gently consulted opinion in most kebab and Turkish barber shops and car washes across the country they'd probably share similar views, if they trusted you.
Oh for sure. The worst anti Semitism I have heard has always been in the Islamic world
Turkey, Egypt spring to mind. Fuck knows why the Turks are so anti Semitic - that MUST be Islam
Weirdly in Syria and Jordan I encountered barely any Semitism at all. I remember one night in a cafe on the coast when I had a brilliant debate about Israel/palestine with maybe 10 Syrian guys. Their views were sane and well informed. They weren’t fans of Israel but there was no mad hatred
It turns out that people have been working on this for a while, and it has already been trialed in part around Manchester. Now the proposal is to roll it out to the rest of the country.
The career of Albert Ottinger is a good example of the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during the "1920s-40s". "He was New York State attorney general from 1925 to 1928, elected in 1924 and 1926. During his second term, he was the only Republican who held state office, and was responsible for closing down the notorious "bucket shops" on Wall Street. He was a delegate to the 1928 and 1932 Republican National Conventions.[citation needed]
In 1928, while the Democratic Party nominated New York Governor Al Smith for the presidency, the first time a Catholic from a major party was running for that office, the Republican Party of New York nominated Ottinger for governor, the first Jewish gubernatorial candidate in New York history. The Democratic Party nominated Franklin D. Roosevelt for governor, and Herbert Lehman, also a Jew, as the candidate for lieutenant governor of New York. On the national ticket, Herbert Hoover won by a landslide over Al Smith, the latter's religion clearly a national issue. The gubernatorial contest, however, was one of the closest in New York history. Against the national Republican trend, Roosevelt won by only 25,000 votes, less than 1% of the four million ballots cast." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ottinger
Democrats did use his religion against him in his 1928 race against FDR; they claimed that he wasn't an observant Jew.
New York state was then, by a considerable margin, the most populous state in the US.
The careers of Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter provide more evidence for the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during that time period.
It turns out that people have been working on this for a while, and it has already been trialed in part around Manchester. Now the proposal is to roll it out to the rest of the country.
I suspect that eventually this will integrate with the Apple and Google apps for Maps and Wallets, so that no extra parking app will be required.
It injects a nano-chip hand whittled by Bill Gates under your skin and makes you live in a 15 minute city as a socialist serf. I read it on Facebook and TikTok.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
F'rwxample:
Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.
It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
I believe anti Semitism is so ubiquitous it is practically a human universal. As I was saying the other day. Eg there is anti Semitism in Japan - which has never had a significant Jewish population
However it is undeniable that you will find it in certain places and times more than others
Eg Eastern Europe and Germany 1850-1950
And
America in the 1920s-40s
And
The Muslim world for about the last 5 decades
It is because of the hold of conspiracy theories on the minds of people. Nearly all conspiracy theories are anti-semitic from "Cultural Marxism" to "The Great Replacement".
The career of Albert Ottinger is a good example of the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during the "1920s-40s". "He was New York State attorney general from 1925 to 1928, elected in 1924 and 1926. During his second term, he was the only Republican who held state office, and was responsible for closing down the notorious "bucket shops" on Wall Street. He was a delegate to the 1928 and 1932 Republican National Conventions.[citation needed]
In 1928, while the Democratic Party nominated New York Governor Al Smith for the presidency, the first time a Catholic from a major party was running for that office, the Republican Party of New York nominated Ottinger for governor, the first Jewish gubernatorial candidate in New York history. The Democratic Party nominated Franklin D. Roosevelt for governor, and Herbert Lehman, also a Jew, as the candidate for lieutenant governor of New York. On the national ticket, Herbert Hoover won by a landslide over Al Smith, the latter's religion clearly a national issue. The gubernatorial contest, however, was one of the closest in New York history. Against the national Republican trend, Roosevelt won by only 25,000 votes, less than 1% of the four million ballots cast." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ottinger
Democrats did use his religion against him in his 1928 race against FDR; they claimed that he wasn't an observant Jew.
New York state was then, by a considerable margin, the most populous state in the US.
The careers of Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter provide more evidence for the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during that time period.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
F'rwxample:
Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.
It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
I believe anti Semitism is so ubiquitous it is practically a human universal. As I was saying the other day. Eg there is anti Semitism in Japan - which has never had a significant Jewish population
However it is undeniable that you will find it in certain places and times more than others
Eg Eastern Europe and Germany 1850-1950
And
America in the 1920s-40s
And
The Muslim world for about the last 5 decades
It is because of the hold of conspiracy theories on the minds of people. Nearly all conspiracy theories are anti-semitic from "Cultural Marxism" to "The Great Replacement".
More likely is Nazi propaganda from the second world war, especially in the Middle East and perhaps their allies, Japan.
I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.
Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.
* I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
I have a couple of friends that I share the bill with when out for a meal. If they didn’t prefer cash, I wouldn’t carry any, but they expect me to pay my share in bits of coloured paper.
Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it
My gut is saying the LDs will have lost momentum, its all about Labour right now.
Batley was three way thanks to Galloway?
What about the formidable LD by-election machine that was able to come from third place in North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton?
A smart cookie writes:
Here's a list of all the LD by-election gains from Con since 1992. Two things are striking.
1. In most instances, the Lab vote was squeezed to a quarter or less of its former size; 2. Those two exceptions in 1994-5, when Lab did fight hard and the Tories ended up third.
Mid Beds isn't mega posh like Chesham & Amersham, and it's not remote like Tiverton. Those are the two demographics where Lib Dems can really work their magic and Labour don't stand a chance. I'm guessing that the demographics are more Eastleigh than Winchester, for example.
We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
Are you seriously claiming that mass immigration from Muslim countries doesn’t add to domestic anti-Semitism? Really??
There was once a poster on here who after having read over his racially charged posts from over the years had to plead with the mods to tear down this offensive material. In one of your more reflective and remorseful future moments you might feel the same way.
Are the chums of Tommy Two- Names also Muslim now? Is that what drives their anti-Semitic hatred?
I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.
Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.
* I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
Indeed, it’s an outdated, crap form of barter. Apparently we are getting some new ‘coins’. What are these weird coin things of which they speak??
Mid Beds betting latest – politicalbetting.com
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And also at Mid-Beds? Maybe.
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-europe-eu-power-irrelevance/
@Keir_Starmer
Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623
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At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?
“Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
I don't think Tamworth is in the bag either to the extent that Betfair thinks (Labour 1.3).
Every single one of those dead children are entirely and squarely the fault of evil Hamas who wreaked this and started this war.
Hopefully a country like Iran or Russia that says they support Palestine will allow its refugees safe haven so they can avoid this fight.
Or does supporting Palestine only go as far as killing Jews, not providing refuge from a conflict?
People in London tearing down posters of the abducted in Israel.
It’s such a bleak time. It’s so depressing.
https://x.com/archrose90/status/1712523292202950666?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
The cricket was fun to listen to today. Remarkable performance by the South Africans given their background (long story, won't bore you).
Not the best week for Aussie sport. Out of the men's rugby world cup and in trouble in the cricket one.
Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.
(Runs for cover
😡
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4zyfwtDIHE
David Lammy
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Labour fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect civilians, in line with international law.
We must distinguish Hamas terrorists from the Palestinian people. There must be humanitarian access to Gaza, for food, water, medicines and electricity.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-qatar-agree-not-release-iran-6-billion-prisoner-swap-rcna120135
https://youtu.be/PIIlk_F7nvU?si=28Kw3fupWfl5B-Ap
What is happening to our country ?
And blockades during war are entirely legal.
If Egypt chooses to blockade Gaza too, when they're not even the ones under attack, then that's not Israel's fault.
How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
Batley was three way thanks to Galloway?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-jewish-schools-closing-friday-amsterdam-jewish-hamas-protests-pro-palestine-b1113219.html
I loudly disagreed, citing Israel’s cruelty. Now I suspect they were right. Half these people don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just hate Jews
I've had enough of the human race. Can we please start again and be a bit kinder to each other the next time.
Starmer is not much loved and could soon find himself having to make some tough choices. The fate of Francois Hollande is something Labour will have to work to avoid duplicating. It really could go either way.
https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592
Newspapers should publish the photos of the kidnapped hostages with their names.
The overriding factor is whether the incoming communities are willing to be part of the host community and accept what it is or decides to keep itself separate and takes the view it wants little to do with the host community's values and beliefs.
So no one would say that the Ugandan Indian or Sikh communities overall have not integrated because, while they kept their customs, beliefs and traditions, they also recognise that they live in the UK and that, where the two conflict, the formers' views have to subordinate to those of the latter.
There are maybe other communities that are less like that.
Dark evening otherwise
* I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
I have never failed to condemn Islamism. The quid pro quo for multicultural acceptance is that communities need to accept that other distinctive communities have the right to exist too.
Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.
https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1712538677925261434
It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
However it is undeniable that you will find it in certain places and times more than others
Eg Eastern Europe and Germany 1850-1950
And
America in the 1920s-40s
And
The Muslim world for about the last 5 decades
They also provide training in taking care of the animals, which may be even more important.
For example, they say the two goats that Lazarus Mtika of Malawi received have transformed his life, and the life of his family.
(When he was a small boy, the thatched roof of his family home caught fire, His father rescued him, but the boy was severely burned. When he recovered and was able to leave the ICU unit, a priest at the hospital gave him the Lazarus nickname. And he has done well enough so that he has recently been able to afford a sheet metal roof for his family.)
When it comes to bashing the Jews there's a list of countries prepared to do that longer than your arm. If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions
How many of those countries are currently offering a safe haven now to Palestinians to help them avoid conflict? Zero?
That's what they are interested in.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06f2frm
Lots of travelling around the UK (well, England) talking to Sikh's, Bangladeshi's, Bengali's, etc etc who have made something foodie down the years since moving here. Kinda uplifting in amongst all this gloom.
I may also have a terrible crush on the presenter Nisha Katona. But that's another matter.
Turkey, Egypt spring to mind. Fuck knows why the Turks are so anti Semitic - that MUST be Islam
Weirdly in Syria and Jordan I encountered barely any Semitism at all. I remember one night in a cafe on the coast when I had a brilliant debate about Israel/palestine with maybe 10 Syrian guys. Their views were sane and well informed. They weren’t fans of Israel but there was no mad hatred
It turns out that people have been working on this for a while, and it has already been trialed in part around Manchester. Now the proposal is to roll it out to the rest of the country.
https://npp-uk.org/
I suspect that eventually this will integrate with the Apple and Google apps for Maps and Wallets, so that no extra parking app will be required.
"He was New York State attorney general from 1925 to 1928, elected in 1924 and 1926. During his second term, he was the only Republican who held state office, and was responsible for closing down the notorious "bucket shops" on Wall Street. He was a delegate to the 1928 and 1932 Republican National Conventions.[citation needed]
In 1928, while the Democratic Party nominated New York Governor Al Smith for the presidency, the first time a Catholic from a major party was running for that office, the Republican Party of New York nominated Ottinger for governor, the first Jewish gubernatorial candidate in New York history. The Democratic Party nominated Franklin D. Roosevelt for governor, and Herbert Lehman, also a Jew, as the candidate for lieutenant governor of New York. On the national ticket, Herbert Hoover won by a landslide over Al Smith, the latter's religion clearly a national issue. The gubernatorial contest, however, was one of the closest in New York history. Against the national Republican trend, Roosevelt won by only 25,000 votes, less than 1% of the four million ballots cast."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ottinger
Democrats did use his religion against him in his 1928 race against FDR; they claimed that he wasn't an observant Jew.
New York state was then, by a considerable margin, the most populous state in the US.
The careers of Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter provide more evidence for the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during that time period.
Here's a list of all the LD by-election gains from Con since 1992. Two things are striking.
1. In most instances, the Lab vote was squeezed to a quarter or less of its former size;
2. Those two exceptions in 1994-5, when Lab did fight hard and the Tories ended up third.
https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1703123155248685218
Mid Beds isn't mega posh like Chesham & Amersham, and it's not remote like Tiverton. Those are the two demographics where Lib Dems can really work their magic and Labour don't stand a chance. I'm guessing that the demographics are more Eastleigh than Winchester, for example.
Are the chums of Tommy Two- Names also Muslim now? Is that what drives their anti-Semitic hatred?