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  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited October 2023
    1st like Labour at the General Election.

    And also at Mid-Beds? Maybe.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,662
    Heathener said:

    1st

    You're up late. Is it not past your bedtime?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,475
    Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-europe-eu-power-irrelevance/
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited October 2023
    DavidL said:

    Heathener said:

    1st

    You're up late. Is it not past your bedtime?
    About as original as the World Wide Web
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,210
    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623

    ==

    At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,199
    carnforth said:

    Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-europe-eu-power-irrelevance/

    Extraordinary quote:

    “Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,496
    Heathener said:

    1st like Labour at the General Election.

    And also at Mid-Beds? Maybe.

    I mentioned a couple of threads back that the woman who I spoke to at the Labour conference who had been doing a lot of canvassing said it wasn't in the bag - Con and Lab were neck and neck with LDs quite a way back, but a lot of undecided ex-Tories. I've bet accordingly, and at the time of writing it's 2.36 Lab/2.66 Con, which sounds about right. The Labour conference was marginalised by Gaza, though it'd be useful to see a post-Starmer speech poll.

    I don't think Tamworth is in the bag either to the extent that Betfair thinks (Labour 1.3).
  • nico679 said:

    nico679 said:

    Israel releases images of babies murdered and burned by Hamas as 'verified photos' of others beheaded by terrorists are 'confirmed' by local media and rescue team reveals pregnant woman 'had child sliced from her womb'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623843/Israel-releases-images-babies-murdered-burned-Hamas-verified-photos-beheaded-terrorists-confirmed-local-media-IDF-drops-Gaza-leaflets-telling-citizens-flee.html

    Urgh that's completely sickening. Again.

    As difficult as it be, there can be no comeback for Hamas after this, they have crossed the line and need to be completely and utterly vanquished.

    This sort of behaviour is simply intolerable, and it is existential and proportionate for Israel to end it.
    FA failure to light up Wembley arch ‘shows Jews don’t count’

    Exclusive: Government's anti-Semitism adviser Lord Mann has castigated football’s governing body, calling decision “a failure of leadership”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/10/12/fa-wembley-arch-israel-hamas-jewish-lord-john-mann-england/
    Lights don’t bring dead people back. This virtue signaling is now getting ridiculous . And this ridiculous Jews Don’t Count accusation.
    Says the person who is saying Jews can't defend themselves from people who are deliberately murdering babies, children and cutting babies out of pregnant women's wombs.
    Oh enough with this . You’ve made your point and I think we get it !

    By the way over 450 children in Gaza have now been killed , any thoughts on that ? Israel of course has a right to defend itself but with that comes the acceptance that the civilian casualties in Gaza will go through the roof .
    Yes I have thoughts on that.

    Every single one of those dead children are entirely and squarely the fault of evil Hamas who wreaked this and started this war.

    Hopefully a country like Iran or Russia that says they support Palestine will allow its refugees safe haven so they can avoid this fight.

    Or does supporting Palestine only go as far as killing Jews, not providing refuge from a conflict?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,114
    FPT

    People in London tearing down posters of the abducted in Israel.

    It’s such a bleak time. It’s so depressing.

    https://x.com/archrose90/status/1712523292202950666?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,661
    FPT

    Cyclefree said:

    On topic, Badenoch has disappointed as a Minister. And Mordaunt's 'stand up and fight' speech was empty-headed and batshit insane.

    Mordaunt seems strangely insecure in the setting of a leadership debate or set piece speech. She'd obviously worked a lot on her conference speech but the end result was both wooden and weird.
    Don't mind that at all. Far better than the lunatics like Truss and Braverman that barge their way in. The problem the Tories have is that they are fragmenting because the whole project has fallen apart.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Right I'm going to watch Spain v Scotland.

    The cricket was fun to listen to today. Remarkable performance by the South Africans given their background (long story, won't bore you).

    Not the best week for Aussie sport. Out of the men's rugby world cup and in trouble in the cricket one.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    p.s. Flower of Scotland is such a great anthem.

    Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.

    (Runs for cover ;) )
  • Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623

    ==

    At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?


    I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    edited October 2023
    Taz said:

    FPT

    People in London tearing down posters of the abducted in Israel.

    It’s such a bleak time. It’s so depressing.

    https://x.com/archrose90/status/1712523292202950666?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    REDACTED REDACTED

    😡
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,114
    Heathener said:

    p.s. Flower of Scotland is such a great anthem.

    Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.

    (Runs for cover ;) )

    No argument from me although Soldiers Song is the best of the four home nations even though half the time Ireland just sing that Ireland’s Call pile of wank.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,661
    Heathener said:

    p.s. Flower of Scotland is such a great anthem.

    Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.

    (Runs for cover ;) )

    You're entirely right - even better it can be sung reasonably well by poor singers. Far better still it sends peaceful shivers up everyone's spines.
  • carnforth said:

    Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-europe-eu-power-irrelevance/

    That is a fantastically written and completely accurate article.
  • Taz said:

    FPT

    People in London tearing down posters of the abducted in Israel.

    It’s such a bleak time. It’s so depressing.

    https://x.com/archrose90/status/1712523292202950666?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    "oh Jesus"
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,858
    Taz said:

    Heathener said:

    p.s. Flower of Scotland is such a great anthem.

    Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.

    (Runs for cover ;) )

    No argument from me although Soldiers Song is the best of the four home nations even though half the time Ireland just sing that Ireland’s Call pile of wank.
    We should use this.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4zyfwtDIHE
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,210

    David Lammy
    @DavidLammy
    ·
    33m
    Labour fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect civilians, in line with international law.

    We must distinguish Hamas terrorists from the Palestinian people. There must be humanitarian access to Gaza, for food, water, medicines and electricity.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,199
    "The U.S. and Qatari governments have agreed to block Iran from accessing any of the $6 billion it gained access to as part of a prisoner swap deal between the Biden administration and Tehran last month."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-qatar-agree-not-release-iran-6-billion-prisoner-swap-rcna120135
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631

    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623

    ==

    At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?


    Sounds like a short investigation.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,114
    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    Heathener said:

    p.s. Flower of Scotland is such a great anthem.

    Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.

    (Runs for cover ;) )

    No argument from me although Soldiers Song is the best of the four home nations even though half the time Ireland just sing that Ireland’s Call pile of wank.
    We should use this.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4zyfwtDIHE
    This should be Irelands anthem

    https://youtu.be/PIIlk_F7nvU?si=28Kw3fupWfl5B-Ap
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631
    Taz said:

    Heathener said:

    p.s. Flower of Scotland is such a great anthem.

    Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.

    (Runs for cover ;) )

    No argument from me although Soldiers Song is the best of the four home nations even though half the time Ireland just sing that Ireland’s Call pile of wank.
    *small voice* I like it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631

    carnforth said:

    Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-europe-eu-power-irrelevance/

    Extraordinary quote:

    “Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
    Almost admirably blunt.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    carnforth said:

    Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-europe-eu-power-irrelevance/

    Extraordinary quote:

    “Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
    Well, he's not wrong.
  • 2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?


  • David Lammy
    @DavidLammy
    ·
    33m
    Labour fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect civilians, in line with international law.

    We must distinguish Hamas terrorists from the Palestinian people. There must be humanitarian access to Gaza, for food, water, medicines and electricity.

    If Egypt or the Red Cross/Red Crescent want to provide those they can, but Israel is under no obligation to do so.

    And blockades during war are entirely legal.

    If Egypt chooses to blockade Gaza too, when they're not even the ones under attack, then that's not Israel's fault.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,026
    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-europe-eu-power-irrelevance/

    Extraordinary quote:

    “Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
    Well, he's not wrong.
    Hence why Israel almost certainly has nuclear weapons
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,210

    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623

    ==

    At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?


    I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
    Indeed. I only learnt a couple of days ago. And works for the NHS. And his sister is a care worker who struggles with her bills.

    How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,026
    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631
    edited October 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it

    My gut is saying the LDs will have lost momentum, its all about Labour right now.

    Batley was three way thanks to Galloway?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,392

    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623

    ==

    At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?


    It's pretty obvious really. A lot of the entryists have left again.
  • U.S. Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin is expected to Travel to Israel tomorrow where he will reportedly Meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu and Israeli Defense Officials to discuss the ongoing Situation in the North and South of the Country.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,154
    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe's Power Outage: How the Israel-Hamas war exposed the EU’s irrelevance: As global crises intensify, the ‘geopolitical’ Continent is left watching from the sidelines.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-europe-eu-power-irrelevance/

    Extraordinary quote:

    “Iran wants to wipe out Israel? Nothing new about that,” Josep Borrell told POLITICO in 2019 when he was still Spanish foreign minister. “You have to live with it.”
    Well, he's not wrong.
    Pretty sure Iran wants to wipe out Israel has also been a constant refrain from Bibi & Co.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,510
    edited October 2023

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    Nothing, yet. Two schools are closing as a precaution because an ex-Hamas boss has called for international protests tomorrow. There is no specific threat to these schools.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-jewish-schools-closing-friday-amsterdam-jewish-hamas-protests-pro-palestine-b1113219.html
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,111
    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    I was just watching C4 News on catchup. No warning was given, and the video news coverage was possibly the most distressing I haver ever seen. An apology was given after.

    I've had enough of the human race. Can we please start again and be a bit kinder to each other the next time.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,392
    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
  • Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623

    ==

    At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?


    I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
    Indeed. I only learnt a couple of days ago. And works for the NHS. And his sister is a care worker who struggles with her bills.

    How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
    Perhaps because he is a rich, lefty lawyer who is MP for Holborn and has a knighthood.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,720
    Omnium said:

    FPT

    Cyclefree said:

    On topic, Badenoch has disappointed as a Minister. And Mordaunt's 'stand up and fight' speech was empty-headed and batshit insane.

    Mordaunt seems strangely insecure in the setting of a leadership debate or set piece speech. She'd obviously worked a lot on her conference speech but the end result was both wooden and weird.
    Don't mind that at all. Far better than the lunatics like Truss and Braverman that barge their way in. The problem the Tories have is that they are fragmenting because the whole project has fallen apart.
    A Badenoch/Mordaunt leadership team with high profile roles for Gillian Keegan and Michelle Donellan (if she holds her seat) might be pretty effective at winning back support from female voters - vital for the Tories. So long as they focus on bread and butter issues and resile from all the identity issues etc and don't go down an alt right rabbit hole.
    Starmer is not much loved and could soon find himself having to make some tough choices. The fate of Francois Hollande is something Labour will have to work to avoid duplicating. It really could go either way.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,199
    [translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.

    https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631
    edited October 2023

    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623

    ==

    At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?


    I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
    Indeed. I only learnt a couple of days ago. And works for the NHS. And his sister is a care worker who struggles with her bills.

    How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
    Perhaps because he is a rich, lefty lawyer who is MP for Holborn and has a knighthood.
    Well, yes, but he seems relatively normal for all that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,154

    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    Today, I gave @chiefrabbi my unwavering support to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom and Israel.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1712505251482255623

    ==

    At some point Labour need to research/investigate/reflect on how the same institution, the same party, can have gone from a sea of Palestinian flags at conference as far as the eye could see and associated sloganizing, to today's meeting with Starmer? All in space, of what, four years?


    I only learnt today that Starmer's wife is Jewish
    Indeed. I only learnt a couple of days ago. And works for the NHS. And his sister is a care worker who struggles with her bills.

    How is he seen as rich, out of touch, lefty lawyer who drinks almond latte in north london all day long? Sunak is literally v v v rich and out of touch.
    Perhaps because he is a rich, lefty lawyer who is MP for Holborn and has a knighthood.
    And TBF, she was a lawyer as well when they met.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631
    tyson said:

    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    I was just watching C4 News on catchup. No warning was given, and the video news coverage was possibly the most distressing I haver ever seen. An apology was given after.

    I've had enough of the human race. Can we please start again and be a bit kinder to each other the next time.
    There's a lot of goodness in the human race. But when we go bad, boy do we commit hard to that.
  • RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Can we go back to where the #1 story in the land is who WOULDN'T shag whom...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
    No. They were fine
  • [translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.

    https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592

    In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,392
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
    No. They were fine
    So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
    Are you seriously claiming that mass immigration from Muslim countries doesn’t add to domestic anti-Semitism? Really??
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005


    David Lammy
    @DavidLammy
    ·
    33m
    Labour fully supports Israel’s right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect civilians, in line with international law.

    We must distinguish Hamas terrorists from the Palestinian people. There must be humanitarian access to Gaza, for food, water, medicines and electricity.

    Problem is that when humanitarian aid gave Hamas water pipes to provide water they ripped them out and turned them into rockets.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
    No. They were fine
    So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
    Playing devil's advocate here, is this a binary issue then? Either it has been a disaster overall or it hasn't, no question of partial success or failure, or some more successful than others?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    Taz said:

    FPT

    People in London tearing down posters of the abducted in Israel.

    It’s such a bleak time. It’s so depressing.

    https://x.com/archrose90/status/1712523292202950666?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    "oh Jesus"
    The people doing this are scum.

    Newspapers should publish the photos of the kidnapped hostages with their names.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631
    Leon said:

    Years ago some of my jewish friends tried to persuade me that much of the ardent sympathy for Palestine was, actually, sublimated anti Semitism. A stealthy way you were “allowed” to be anti Jewish

    I loudly disagreed, citing Israel’s cruelty. Now I suspect they were right. Half these people don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just hate Jews

    I'm wary of firm views, as all know. But when you see protests/celebrations so quickly devolve into outright anti-semitism, or people who are usually so strident suddenly discovering the moral gray area on these matters and 'complexity' of condemning atrocity, well, it leads to certain conclusions.
  • Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
    No. They were fine
    So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
    It is not black or white but grey.

    The overriding factor is whether the incoming communities are willing to be part of the host community and accept what it is or decides to keep itself separate and takes the view it wants little to do with the host community's values and beliefs.

    So no one would say that the Ugandan Indian or Sikh communities overall have not integrated because, while they kept their customs, beliefs and traditions, they also recognise that they live in the UK and that, where the two conflict, the formers' views have to subordinate to those of the latter.

    There are maybe other communities that are less like that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
    A very welcome LOL. thanks

    Dark evening otherwise
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,353
    edited October 2023

    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
    Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.

    * I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,864
    HYUFD said:

    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it

    Agreed. Too close to call, and certainly too close to bet on, IMHO.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,392
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
    Are you seriously claiming that mass immigration from Muslim countries doesn’t add to domestic anti-Semitism? Really??
    No, I am merely pointing out that multiculturalism has been very successful for many immigrant groups, allowing distinctive communities with their own customs to blossom within the British Isles. Not least in my own adopted city of Leicester.

    I have never failed to condemn Islamism. The quid pro quo for multicultural acceptance is that communities need to accept that other distinctive communities have the right to exist too.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,199
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
    No. They were fine
    So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
    That's a comically weak argument. The scale of migration and demographic change in the last 30 years is unprecedented.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,864
    edited October 2023
    Omnium said:

    Heathener said:

    p.s. Flower of Scotland is such a great anthem.

    Unlike the UK and English miserable dirge. Nonsense words too.

    (Runs for cover ;) )

    You're entirely right - even better it can be sung reasonably well by poor singers. Far better still it sends peaceful shivers up everyone's spines.
    Unusually for anthems, it was written comparatively recently (1967), and not as a national anthem.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,858

    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
    Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.

    * I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
    I have had €60 stuck in my wallet for three years I never get to spend when in the EU. During the short lived Truss premiership, this meant I single handedly kept the balance of payments from total collapse.
  • Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
    F'rwxample:

    Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.

    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1712538677925261434

    It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    [translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.

    https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592

    In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
    And, of course, the implicit allegation here - from Hamas! - is that the “ordinary citizens” of Gaza are rabid anti semites who can’t be trusted with a spade lest thru use it to slice a Jewish baby in half. Which is probably the case with plenty of them
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,864

    [translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.

    https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592

    In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
    “A big boy did it and ran away” excuse.
  • Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
    Definitely there has been anti-semitism but not sure about the virulent part, unless you are going all the way back to the 12/13th Centuries. Remember Disraeli was PM in the 19th Century and Jewish people certainly played more of a part in business, politics etc than virtually every other European country. The anti-semitism part was more akin to the same discrimination shown to those of a 'lower class' than outright violence.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
    F'rwxample:

    Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.

    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1712538677925261434

    It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
    I believe anti Semitism is so ubiquitous it is practically a human universal. As I was saying the other day. Eg there is anti Semitism in Japan - which has never had a significant Jewish population

    However it is undeniable that you will find it in certain places and times more than others

    Eg Eastern Europe and Germany 1850-1950

    And

    America in the 1920s-40s

    And

    The Muslim world for about the last 5 decades
  • Leon said:

    Years ago some of my jewish friends tried to persuade me that much of the ardent sympathy for Palestine was, actually, sublimated anti Semitism. A stealthy way you were “allowed” to be anti Jewish

    I loudly disagreed, citing Israel’s cruelty. Now I suspect they were right. Half these people don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just hate Jews

    Half? That's generous.

    When it comes to bashing the Jews there's a list of countries prepared to do that longer than your arm. If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions

    How many of those countries are currently offering a safe haven now to Palestinians to help them avoid conflict? Zero?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,864
    biggles said:

    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
    Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.

    * I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
    I have had €60 stuck in my wallet for three years I never get to spend when in the EU. During the short lived Truss premiership, this meant I single handedly kept the balance of payments from total collapse.
    I have small quantities of various foreign currencies from previous holidays. I don’t know whether they will ever be used, although they are worth more than if I had exchanged them when I came home from the various trips.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,907
    Leon said:

    [translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.

    https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592

    In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
    And, of course, the implicit allegation here - from Hamas! - is that the “ordinary citizens” of Gaza are rabid anti semites who can’t be trusted with a spade lest thru use it to slice a Jewish baby in half. Which is probably the case with plenty of them
    To be fair, if you gently consulted opinion in most kebab and Turkish barber shops and car washes across the country they'd probably share similar views, if they trusted you.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,322
    Heathener said:

    Right I'm going to watch Spain v Scotland.

    The cricket was fun to listen to today. Remarkable performance by the South Africans given their background (long story, won't bore you).

    Not the best week for Aussie sport. Out of the men's rugby world cup and in trouble in the cricket one.

    Both Grand Finals were thrillers though.
    That's what they are interested in.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,028
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it

    My gut is saying the LDs will have lost momentum, its all about Labour right now.

    Batley was three way thanks to Galloway?
    What about the formidable LD by-election machine that was able to come from third place in North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,677

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Does that include the multiculturalism that arose when we imported Jewish refugees fleeing Czarist pogroms at the end of the 19th century, who went on to form distinctive communities with variable degrees of assimilation?
    No. They were fine
    So multiculturalism hasn't been a disaster then.
    It is not black or white but grey.

    The overriding factor is whether the incoming communities are willing to be part of the host community and accept what it is or decides to keep itself separate and takes the view it wants little to do with the host community's values and beliefs.

    So no one would say that the Ugandan Indian or Sikh communities overall have not integrated because, while they kept their customs, beliefs and traditions, they also recognise that they live in the UK and that, where the two conflict, the formers' views have to subordinate to those of the latter.

    There are maybe other communities that are less like that.
    Rather off-yet-not topic - I've been enjoying watching this series :

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06f2frm

    Lots of travelling around the UK (well, England) talking to Sikh's, Bangladeshi's, Bengali's, etc etc who have made something foodie down the years since moving here. Kinda uplifting in amongst all this gloom.

    I may also have a terrible crush on the presenter Nisha Katona. But that's another matter.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,998
    Leon said:

    Years ago some of my jewish friends tried to persuade me that much of the ardent sympathy for Palestine was, actually, sublimated anti Semitism. A stealthy way you were “allowed” to be anti Jewish

    I loudly disagreed, citing Israel’s cruelty. Now I suspect they were right. Half these people don’t give a fuck about Palestine. They just hate Jews

    There are plenty of us who have felt a lot of sympathy for Palestinians over many years, and criticised the actions of the Israeli state, who maybe thought that some of the rhetoric was exaggerated, but didn't take it seriously enough, and have been shocked out of a certain complacency by these attacks.
  • [translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.

    https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592

    In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
    There are reports that plans for the raid have been found on killed attackers, so presumably we will find out in due course.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,028

    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
    Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.

    * I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
    What should be king is a multiculture of different methods of payment, none dominating the other.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,392

    Leon said:

    [translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.

    https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592

    In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
    And, of course, the implicit allegation here - from Hamas! - is that the “ordinary citizens” of Gaza are rabid anti semites who can’t be trusted with a spade lest thru use it to slice a Jewish baby in half. Which is probably the case with plenty of them
    To be fair, if you gently consulted opinion in most kebab and Turkish barber shops and car washes across the country they'd probably share similar views, if they trusted you.
    Or Albanian taxi drivers...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    Leon said:

    [translation:] Panic in Hamas. Number 2 in Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, interviewed on Al-Jazeera, defensively claims Hamas didn't mean to harm civilians. He blames GAZA CIVILIANS for following Hamas in and kidnapping Israelis. Claims 1,200 fighters took part in the attack.

    https://x.com/neontaster/status/1712496279018758592

    In a rather brutal way, rather hilarious - not only chucks the Gaza civilians under the bus but also gives Israeli a de facto defence for the strikes on Gaza by saying that even Hamas is now saying its own civilians invaded Israel and took hostages.
    And, of course, the implicit allegation here - from Hamas! - is that the “ordinary citizens” of Gaza are rabid anti semites who can’t be trusted with a spade lest thru use it to slice a Jewish baby in half. Which is probably the case with plenty of them
    To be fair, if you gently consulted opinion in most kebab and Turkish barber shops and car washes across the country they'd probably share similar views, if they trusted you.
    Oh for sure. The worst anti Semitism I have heard has always been in the Islamic world

    Turkey, Egypt spring to mind. Fuck knows why the Turks are so anti Semitic - that MUST be Islam

    Weirdly in Syria and Jordan I encountered barely any Semitism at all. I remember one night in a cafe on the coast when I had a brilliant debate about Israel/palestine with maybe 10 Syrian guys. Their views were sane and well informed. They weren’t fans of Israel but there was no mad hatred
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,864

    HYUFD said:

    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it

    If only we had a PBer with expertise in 3-ways...
    Please don’t Labour the point, or I will have to nick you.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,859
    Regarding the parking app simplification plan.

    It turns out that people have been working on this for a while, and it has already been trialed in part around Manchester. Now the proposal is to roll it out to the rest of the country.

    https://npp-uk.org/

    I suspect that eventually this will integrate with the Apple and Google apps for Maps and Wallets, so that no extra parking app will be required.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,631
    Andy_JS said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it

    My gut is saying the LDs will have lost momentum, its all about Labour right now.

    Batley was three way thanks to Galloway?
    What about the formidable LD by-election machine that was able to come from third place in North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton?
    Which is why they were in contention (though they were further back than even those). I just feel like Labour have upped their game.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,939
    The career of Albert Ottinger is a good example of the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during the "1920s-40s".
    "He was New York State attorney general from 1925 to 1928, elected in 1924 and 1926. During his second term, he was the only Republican who held state office, and was responsible for closing down the notorious "bucket shops" on Wall Street. He was a delegate to the 1928 and 1932 Republican National Conventions.[citation needed]

    In 1928, while the Democratic Party nominated New York Governor Al Smith for the presidency, the first time a Catholic from a major party was running for that office, the Republican Party of New York nominated Ottinger for governor, the first Jewish gubernatorial candidate in New York history. The Democratic Party nominated Franklin D. Roosevelt for governor, and Herbert Lehman, also a Jew, as the candidate for lieutenant governor of New York. On the national ticket, Herbert Hoover won by a landslide over Al Smith, the latter's religion clearly a national issue. The gubernatorial contest, however, was one of the closest in New York history. Against the national Republican trend, Roosevelt won by only 25,000 votes, less than 1% of the four million ballots cast."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ottinger

    Democrats did use his religion against him in his 1928 race against FDR; they claimed that he wasn't an observant Jew.

    New York state was then, by a considerable margin, the most populous state in the US.

    The careers of Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter provide more evidence for the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during that time period.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,677
    glw said:

    Regarding the parking app simplification plan.

    It turns out that people have been working on this for a while, and it has already been trialed in part around Manchester. Now the proposal is to roll it out to the rest of the country.

    https://npp-uk.org/

    I suspect that eventually this will integrate with the Apple and Google apps for Maps and Wallets, so that no extra parking app will be required.

    It injects a nano-chip hand whittled by Bill Gates under your skin and makes you live in a 15 minute city as a socialist serf. I read it on Facebook and TikTok.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,392
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
    F'rwxample:

    Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.

    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1712538677925261434

    It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
    I believe anti Semitism is so ubiquitous it is practically a human universal. As I was saying the other day. Eg there is anti Semitism in Japan - which has never had a significant Jewish population

    However it is undeniable that you will find it in certain places and times more than others

    Eg Eastern Europe and Germany 1850-1950

    And

    America in the 1920s-40s

    And

    The Muslim world for about the last 5 decades
    It is because of the hold of conspiracy theories on the minds of people. Nearly all conspiracy theories are anti-semitic from "Cultural Marxism" to "The Great Replacement".
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,028

    The career of Albert Ottinger is a good example of the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during the "1920s-40s".
    "He was New York State attorney general from 1925 to 1928, elected in 1924 and 1926. During his second term, he was the only Republican who held state office, and was responsible for closing down the notorious "bucket shops" on Wall Street. He was a delegate to the 1928 and 1932 Republican National Conventions.[citation needed]

    In 1928, while the Democratic Party nominated New York Governor Al Smith for the presidency, the first time a Catholic from a major party was running for that office, the Republican Party of New York nominated Ottinger for governor, the first Jewish gubernatorial candidate in New York history. The Democratic Party nominated Franklin D. Roosevelt for governor, and Herbert Lehman, also a Jew, as the candidate for lieutenant governor of New York. On the national ticket, Herbert Hoover won by a landslide over Al Smith, the latter's religion clearly a national issue. The gubernatorial contest, however, was one of the closest in New York history. Against the national Republican trend, Roosevelt won by only 25,000 votes, less than 1% of the four million ballots cast."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ottinger

    Democrats did use his religion against him in his 1928 race against FDR; they claimed that he wasn't an observant Jew.

    New York state was then, by a considerable margin, the most populous state in the US.

    The careers of Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter provide more evidence for the strength of anti-Semitism in the US during that time period.

    Henry Ford as well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,392
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it

    My gut is saying the LDs will have lost momentum, its all about Labour right now.

    Batley was three way thanks to Galloway?
    What about the formidable LD by-election machine that was able to come from third place in North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton?
    Which is why they were in contention (though they were further back than even those). I just feel like Labour have upped their game.
    I think it very possible that Con is in 3rd place. @rcs1000 gave me 20/1 on that.
  • Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
    F'rwxample:

    Since the weekend, both @TellMamaUK and @CST_UK have reported over 300% increases in the reporting of Islamophobic and antisemitic incidents.

    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1712538677925261434

    It shouldn't need saying that antisemitism is a stain on the human psyche. But if you start blaming it on one specific cultural group, that ought to start ringing "are we (also) the baddies?" bells pretty loudly.
    I believe anti Semitism is so ubiquitous it is practically a human universal. As I was saying the other day. Eg there is anti Semitism in Japan - which has never had a significant Jewish population

    However it is undeniable that you will find it in certain places and times more than others

    Eg Eastern Europe and Germany 1850-1950

    And

    America in the 1920s-40s

    And

    The Muslim world for about the last 5 decades
    It is because of the hold of conspiracy theories on the minds of people. Nearly all conspiracy theories are anti-semitic from "Cultural Marxism" to "The Great Replacement".
    More likely is Nazi propaganda from the second world war, especially in the Middle East and perhaps their allies, Japan.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,331
    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Absolutely. I was mocked on here yesterday for saying similarly of PB.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,662
    One bit of serious luck for Scotland in that half. And the second half will be harder. But we are still in it.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,864
    edited October 2023

    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
    Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.

    * I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
    I have a couple of friends that I share the bill with when out for a meal. If they didn’t prefer cash, I wouldn’t carry any, but they expect me to pay my share in bits of coloured paper.
  • Andy_JS said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it

    My gut is saying the LDs will have lost momentum, its all about Labour right now.

    Batley was three way thanks to Galloway?
    What about the formidable LD by-election machine that was able to come from third place in North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton?
    A smart cookie writes:

    Here's a list of all the LD by-election gains from Con since 1992. Two things are striking.

    1. In most instances, the Lab vote was squeezed to a quarter or less of its former size;
    2. Those two exceptions in 1994-5, when Lab did fight hard and the Tories ended up third.


    https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1703123155248685218

    Mid Beds isn't mega posh like Chesham & Amersham, and it's not remote like Tiverton. Those are the two demographics where Lib Dems can really work their magic and Labour don't stand a chance. I'm guessing that the demographics are more Eastleigh than Winchester, for example.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,047
    ...
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    2 London Jewish Schools close

    What is happening to our country ?

    We have imported virulent anti Semitism from abroad, via immigration, and it turns out multiculturalism is a disaster
    Virulent anti-Semitism has always been here. It's never gone away. Multiculturalism may or may not be making it worse; but don't for a minute believe it's a new import, or a re-import.
    Are you seriously claiming that mass immigration from Muslim countries doesn’t add to domestic anti-Semitism? Really??
    There was once a poster on here who after having read over his racially charged posts from over the years had to plead with the mods to tear down this offensive material. In one of your more reflective and remorseful future moments you might feel the same way.

    Are the chums of Tommy Two- Names also Muslim now? Is that what drives their anti-Semitic hatred?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,720
    Andy_JS said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mid Bedfordshire looks like the first genuinely 3 way by election for some time. Any of the Tories, Labour or LDs could win it

    My gut is saying the LDs will have lost momentum, its all about Labour right now.

    Batley was three way thanks to Galloway?
    What about the formidable LD by-election machine that was able to come from third place in North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton?
    Rutherglen and the successful Labour conference finished off LibDem chances. No Big Mo for Sir Ed.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,331

    RobD said:

    I think I will avoid news websites for the time being. I really don't want to see pictures of dead children.

    Personally I am not quite sure why the thread keeps drifting away from car parking apps either.
    Because we all know cash* is king....end of the matter.

    * I am not sure I even know what cash looks like these days. I recently went on some business trips and neither used local currency or even saw it anywhere at all, everything was cashless.
    Indeed, it’s an outdated, crap form of barter. Apparently we are getting some new ‘coins’. What are these weird coin things of which they speak??
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