New poll has big majority for rejoin – politicalbetting.com
New poll has big majority for rejoin – politicalbetting.com
This latest poll from Omnius is in line with other recent polls that we have seen when voters are asked whether they would vote to rejoin the EU if given the opportunity.
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The snag is, they would set innumerable terms they would think are very reasonable, because they simply don't get how people feel about a United Europe, which would be absolute anathema to a sizeable chunk of wistful rejoiners.
If people want the status quo ante that's understandable given the catastrophe Johnson wished on us by signing the EU's punishment terms instead of the rather better ones negotiated by May, but that's not likely to be on offer.
Not short of some fairly radical changes in the EU, anyway.
In many cases, they see it as - they gave up national subsidies, national preferences in contracts, in the labour market etc.
They sacrificed together for the common polity.
Which is why they can’t accept being half in. It’s a bit like a diet club. Everyone is *in*. Or not
That is the one position I can’t understand. Except as rejoin without the rejoin, I suppose.
It is almost impossible. Right now it is emotionally satisfying - especially to Remainers - to blame ALL our ills, from sewage to migration - on Brexit. Just as we eurosceptics used to blame all our ills - equally mendaciously - on the EU. Fair's fair
Will it ever tempt Labour or Cons to take the huge generational risk of a refeendum on Rejoin? No, esp when the EU will impose huge costs on us - like the euro, Schenghen, etc. And even then we will do it at the risk of a veto from those parasitic fuckers in Ireland, or Anglophobic France, or Belgium in a bad mood, or Malta just for some leverage coz they lose English language advantage
File under: absolutely never going to happen, which means, it ain't gonna happen within the next 20 years, barring some humongous black swan
Faja Grande on Flores in the Azores.
Under FPTP little chance of Starmer doing so either given he needs the strongly Leave redwall swing seats to go back to Labour so he has a chance of becoming PM.
The LDs might consider it as would the SNP but they only have influence in a hung parliament. In short if Labour win the next general election with a majority at most they will consider tighter alignment to EU regulations and the Customs Union in a first term, with maybe rejoining the EEA and single market if they are re elected and win a second term. I can only see Labour even considering rejoining the full EU after a 3rd consecutive general election victory and even then only if the membership terms are largely as we had at the time of the 2016 referendum
I've heard of setting a low bar, but that is six foot under.
https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/middletons-family-business-collapse-party-pieces-james-kate-william-ella-b1098424.html
We will never accept the euro. Will will never rejoin
I predict there will be a fudge on Free Movement within a new peripheral Single Market, once passions have died (and they are dying). The economic benefits are too great for both sides
But it needs a generation of politicians to die off
I get that you hate Brexit. That's fine. But you need to remain factual
Remoaners are so fucking religious. Any deviation from the doctrine is heresy. This is not how you conduct politics
Or being an atheist and trying to blag it with whichever god is real on the basis you didn’t pick a side?
Not judging just interested.
@Miklosvar is a fule
Nice one. A good challenge. Is it fun? The Azores? I've often wondered
Personally, I Blame Canada.
I repeat, nobody on any side of the Brexit debate envisaged a situation where we left the EU and remained beholden to its laws and regulations pertaining to the UK. It's an extraordinary situation and a betrayal of voters on both sides.
Awesome.
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour
And when I die I expect to find him laughing
Some groundwork I hope the Labour party lays is a referendums act which builds in how future referenda should work. Basically, anything that requires a negotiation should include (a) a proper negotiating brief on which the change option in the first referendum lays and (b) a second referendum on the ultimate negotiation by the original referendees wherever that can be given effect. Never again the likes of a Brexit referendum that lacked (a) and that ultimately would have been allowed (b) (though that wasn't clear at the outset)
Sindyref too. 2014 met (a) but wouldn't have had (b). Sindyref II would have to have a confirmatory (b).
Whale and dolphin trips.
We are off to Pico in the next few days to visit the lava vineyards.
Of course, they couldn’t even deliver that, so now we’re rule takers without the free trade zone.
I do think that the poll shows that 62% of the population think the Conservative Party made a huge mistake. Are those 62% lost forever, or at least for a long time, to the Tories? If so, can the Tories win another general election?
At some point Brexity Britain will see a new photo of the EU on Instagram and will think "OMG why were we so in love with THAT?"
Of course, we will be whiskery old fucks by then, but it will happen
Would limit the international outcry to just the usual suspects, rather than serious objectors.
Who is to blame for allowing America to get to a point where the LGBT mob can mock the Bible with 0 consequences?
The Founding Fathers.
https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1690052790108729344
or shown me the light, then it's his fault that I don't believe so he'll have to tell old St Pete to give me the nod. I can't lose.
Mind you, they did have some funky views on owning people…
Lol, you motherfuckers! Brexit actually did this as well. 😮
I need a bigger living room, as well
You're in for a nasty surprise when you pop your clogs, or rather you aren't.
The process isn't just to rejoin - it's to seek negotiations to apply to join the EU. This will be the point at which we see what the EU's terms for having us back look like - will it be Euro and Schengen or something more nuanced?
We cannot go back to the status quo ante referendum - the half hearted nature of the membership facilitated the case for leaving. The only two coherent positions are all the way in or all the way out. The former implies Euro membership, Schengen and signing up to the whole federalist agenda.
To do that now is inconceivable - would it be so in 30 or 40 years time? I don't know - perhaps there is a parallel with the NHS here - it was voted in despite big opposition in 1945 but once the Conservatives accepted it, it stopped being a political issue until its limitations were exposed as the demographics changed some 50 years on.
Perhaps we'll see the same with the EU - it may be its limitations will justify us staying out or the limitations of us staying out will make a return if not liked then in the national interest.
King Aethelred (he who wasn't ready) bought off the Vikings with a Danegeld of silver worth about £2 million.
Just a reminder English silver was the nearest thing to a common European currency at the time and we were still uing it to pay off the Danes until 1066.
God told me that. Personally.