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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    rcs1000 said:

    I've used OpenVPN many times. And it's not that hard. But it's still nowhere near as easy as Tailscale.
    It’s simply a VPN bridge that links two outgoing connections, or it’s more than that?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,470
    darkage said:

    Ok zoning, subject to regulations and design codes. Not a bad idea and works in many countries. I struggle to really see how it is that different to outline planning permission or permission in principle. All the same issues would come up that come up at the point when the land was zoned as would be the case in an outline planning application, IE the roads, congestion, drainage, flooding, ecological, social infrastructure, impact on landscape. The delays that people associate with Council bureaucracy are usually actually rooted in a deeper and more pathological problems with the decision making processes of the British state, the legacy of shoddy attempts at privatisation and the aversion to spend public money on the part of government. None of that gets swept away with a new planning system.

    The only way you could immediately zone land for 3 million houses is to ignore the real planning consequences of doing so which would then become apparent extremely quickly.
    The best way to think about the issue is to understand that fixes will be resisted, and diverted.

    So we have more planing permissions granted.

    Which stack up in piles. This makes the NIMBYs go away, a bit. The developers like it because they have a guaranteed flow of future income they can amortise. They have *adapted* to more planning permission being granted.

    So we need to adapt. The issue is monopoly (local) or oligopoly by big house builders. So deal with that by limiting the percentage of an areas planning permission that can be held by a single developer.

    Yes, they will try and get round that. Then we will need to adapt again. Such has been market regulation, since Adam Smith.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited June 2023
    148grss said:

    If I were Ed Davey I would resign saying that he rebuilt the party after the coalition, but someone without the taint of it should be in charge, and they should coronate Daisy Cooper as their leader. I know she is a relatively new MP and her majority is also quite new - but she's a good public speaker, she is a relatively young woman, she didn't serve in the coalition and has been willing to say it was a mistake (even though she points out some of the positive things the LDs managed) and she is charismatic. The papers would hate her (she was involved in one of the campaigns to tighten media regulations post Levinson) but she'd go back to the days when the LDs could attack Labour on the left on some issues.
    The 2009 Lib Dems were just a much (politically) stronger outfit. Uncle Vince, David Laws, Steve Webb, Chris Huhne could all give as good as they got on tv.

    It turned out the most competent of the lot was the one with zero public profile, Danny Alexander. And Norman Lamb.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    . . . meanwhile back at the ranch . . .

    AP (via Seattle Times) - Supreme Court unfreezes Louisiana redistricting case that could boost power of Black voters

    The Supreme Court on Monday lifted its hold on a Louisiana case that could force the state to redraw congressional districts to boost Black voting power.

    The order follows the court’s rejection earlier in June of a congressional redistricting map in Alabama and unfreezes the Louisiana case, which had been on hold pending the decision in Alabama.

    In both states, Black voters are a majority in just one congressional district. Lower courts had ruled that the maps raised concerns that Black voting power had been diluted, in violation of the landmark federal Voting Rights Act.

    About a third of Louisiana’s residents are Black. More than one in four Alabamians are Black.

    The justices put the Louisiana case on hold and allowed the state’s challenged map to be used in last year’s elections after they agreed to hear the Alabama case.

    The case had separately been appealed to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans. The justices said that appeal now could go forward in advance of next year’s congressional elections.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,768
    algarkirk said:

    Enlarge does the job.

    Could you engorge the font a little, I can't quite make it out on the screen share.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,636
    algarkirk said:

    Enlarge does the job.

    Fair point.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212
    So according to the BBC, The Wagner Group are still recruiting as an independent force.

    This despite the fact their leader has vanished and they are being integrated into the Russian Army, apparently.

    Answers on a postcard….
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,712
    Scott_xP said:

    @DeltapollUK
    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨
    Labour lead is twenty-three percentage points in the latest results from Deltapoll.
    Con 24% (-3)
    Lab 47% (+1)
    Lib Dem 12% (+2)
    Other 16% (-)
    Fieldwork: 23rd - 26th June 2023
    Sample: 1,089 GB adults
    (Changes from 16th - 19th June 2023)

    Sunak fans please explain.

    Recent polls suggest the Tories are heading towards Truss territory now.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973
    IanB2 said:

    The Sunday Rawnsley, brought to you on a Monday, but then it takes a long time to drive to Arsland:

    Talking is a whole lot easier than doing. When the crunch comes, when a Labour cabinet faces the horribly tough choices that are going to confront them in power, will their fine words turn out to be little more than hot air?

    …some key questions for Labour have been under-scrutinised. Is it realistic to think that the UK can generate all its electricity from clean sources by the end of this decade? Sir Keir maintains that is still his mission, but a lot of expert opinion is sceptical. The polite say it sounds “highly ambitious”. The ruder say there’s not “a hope in hell” of achieving the target. Labour claims it can kickstart growth to turn the UK into the fastest-expanding economy in the G7. Does that still add up when investment in a critical component is going to start later than originally promised? A hard pledge has softened into a vaguer-sounding goal. The wary are suspicious that it will next dissolve into nothing better than a wispy aspiration. That would be bad for the country and for the planet.

    It should not be beyond Sir Keir and his team to make the green prosperity plan attractive. If the Labour party cannot sell lower bills, more jobs, a healthier planet, energy self-sufficiency and screwing Vladimir Putin to the electorate it might as well get out of the business of politics altogether.

    The Labour leader and his colleagues ought to be mindful of the dangers of giving the impression that they make grandiose-sounding pledges to change the world only then to retreat when they encounter challenge and resistance. That’s not the way for an opposition to generate confidence. As a method of running a government, it would be terrible.



    'it takes a long time to drive to Arsland'

    Well, you're here now..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Sunak fans please explain.

    Recent polls suggest the Tories are heading towards Truss territory now.
    Which is why they should have stuck with Truss in the first place.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,081
    mwadams said:

    Could you engorge the font a little, I can't quite make it out on the screen share.
    Is it insufficiently tumescent?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,004

    So according to the BBC, The Wagner Group are still recruiting as an independent force.

    This despite the fact their leader has vanished and they are being integrated into the Russian Army, apparently.

    Answers on a postcard….

    Bespoke consultancy services in Africa.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,636
    kinabalu said:

    Watford Gap. Top tier stuff.
    Nice one.
    You probably know this, but - due to its location in the centre of England - Watford Gap services, then operated by and known as Blue Boar, was a significant location in late 60s rock music and a focus for bands to meet at after their gigs. Jimmy Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones... there was a misapprehension among followers of the scene less au fait with British transport geography that the Blue Boar was some sort of highly fashionable night spot.
    This was, of course, the days before value engineering and economies of scale turned most service stations into functional facsimilies of one another.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited June 2023

    Sunak fans please explain.

    Recent polls suggest the Tories are heading towards Truss territory now.
    I can see them still go lower, as interest rates haven't peaked yet and of course it takes time for everybody to feel the effects of the rises i.e. people on 2-3 year fixed when they renew. And inflation isn't going to come back down to normal levels for a long time to come.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,922
    Cookie said:

    It was only a few years ago I found out fortnight was in any way endangered, and that Americans find our use of it quaint.
    Did you know that as well as fortnight (a contraction of 'fourteen night', of course) there was once a term 'sennight' as a perfectly cromulent synonym for 'week'?
    I did indeed, as in I have not changed my Semmit this sennight
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497
    Cookie said:

    Embiggen is a great word. I use it probably at least once a week. "Can you just embiggen the screen a bit?" How did we go for so long without a word for 'make it bigger'?
    We already had words that meant make it it bigger, enlarge,expand,scale up etc
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited June 2023
    IanB2 said:

    The Sunday Rawnsley, brought to you on a Monday, but then it takes a long time to drive to Arsland:

    Talking is a whole lot easier than doing. When the crunch comes, when a Labour cabinet faces the horribly tough choices that are going to confront them in power, will their fine words turn out to be little more than hot air?

    …some key questions for Labour have been under-scrutinised. Is it realistic to think that the UK can generate all its electricity from clean sources by the end of this decade? Sir Keir maintains that is still his mission, but a lot of expert opinion is sceptical. The polite say it sounds “highly ambitious”. The ruder say there’s not “a hope in hell” of achieving the target. Labour claims it can kickstart growth to turn the UK into the fastest-expanding economy in the G7. Does that still add up when investment in a critical component is going to start later than originally promised? A hard pledge has softened into a vaguer-sounding goal. The wary are suspicious that it will next dissolve into nothing better than a wispy aspiration. That would be bad for the country and for the planet.

    It should not be beyond Sir Keir and his team to make the green prosperity plan attractive. If the Labour party cannot sell lower bills, more jobs, a healthier planet, energy self-sufficiency and screwing Vladimir Putin to the electorate it might as well get out of the business of politics altogether.

    The Labour leader and his colleagues ought to be mindful of the dangers of giving the impression that they make grandiose-sounding pledges to change the world only then to retreat when they encounter challenge and resistance. That’s not the way for an opposition to generate confidence. As a method of running a government, it would be terrible.



    Your friend did NOT even make it to the semi-finals!

    https://www.today.com/video/world-s-ugliest-dog-contest-winner-shines-bright-in-studio-1a-185086533806

    Addendum - Hasten to add, your canine companion is a matinee idol, IMHO.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,836
    Sandpit said:

    Which is why they should have stuck with Truss in the first place.
    She resigned.

    I think, whatever your views of her policies, that she found being at the top enormously stressful. The top job aged het five years in about five weeks.

    A stronger (probably older and with grown up children) character would have dared the Conservative Parliamentary Party to put forward the signatures for a VoNC.

    And I suspect that they would have shied from it.

    But it didn't come to that. Ms Truss resigned, because the pressure was unbearable for her. I doubt she was sleeping. And I'm sure she wasn't enjoying it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,004
    Cookie said:

    Nice one.
    You probably know this, but - due to its location in the centre of England - Watford Gap services, then operated by and known as Blue Boar, was a significant location in late 60s rock music and a focus for bands to meet at after their gigs. Jimmy Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones... there was a misapprehension among followers of the scene less au fait with British transport geography that the Blue Boar was some sort of highly fashionable night spot.
    This was, of course, the days before value engineering and economies of scale turned most service stations into functional facsimilies of one another.
    Just how did it get named the Watford gap ?

    I remember the first time coming across it. Have I really driven that far ? (Driving from Coventry...)
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,712
    Sandpit said:

    Which is why they should have stuck with Truss in the first place.
    Funnily enough, I sort of agree with you. Having put her in, they should have given her at least six months, probably a year, to turn things around and, to coin a phrase, 'surprise on the upside'. She shouldn't have appointed Kwarteng, though - would have had more chance without him.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    Scott_xP said:

    @DeltapollUK
    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨
    Labour lead is twenty-three percentage points in the latest results from Deltapoll.
    Con 24% (-3)
    Lab 47% (+1)
    Lib Dem 12% (+2)
    Other 16% (-)
    Fieldwork: 23rd - 26th June 2023
    Sample: 1,089 GB adults
    (Changes from 16th - 19th June 2023)

    Poor for Labour. Not even double the Tory score.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    Sunak fans please explain.

    Recent polls suggest the Tories are heading towards Truss territory now.
    "It's the economy, stupid"

    The problem I think Labour will have is they won't stay popular if SKS keeps his "fiscal rules" and just does austerity again. Coming out against a teacher pay rise, for example, when teachers are a group who used to be relatively evenly split Tory v Lab back in 09 to very Labour now is maddening - the Tories give their base lots of economic security and Labour actively tells its base to piss off.

    Depending on the size of the Labour majority, I wonder if we'll finally see the party disintegration that should have happened a while ago - if SKS kicks out all the actual left leaning MPs / they leave Lab due to some godawful policy Starmer will produce and then they form a new party / join the Greens to form an actual progressive left party; Reform UK eat into Cons enough that Cons and Ref UK are both somewhat serious contenders for the right, and Labour and LDs claim the centre with (at the moment at least) SKS's Labour claiming the centre right and the LDs claiming the centre left. I only think this would happen in the event of a Tory wipe out and a Lab super majority - SKS will feel safe kicking out the left and still being able to govern / the left will feel safe leaving the Lab party without the fear of letting the Tories in power, and if Reform will get taken seriously by the media because the media is always more than happy to prop up any right wing nutjob party, even without serious representation in parliament.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited June 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    She resigned.

    I think, whatever your views of her policies, that she found being at the top enormously stressful. The top job aged het five years in about five weeks.

    A stronger (probably older and with grown up children) character would have dared the Conservative Parliamentary Party to put forward the signatures for a VoNC.

    And I suspect that they would have shied from it.

    But it didn't come to that. Ms Truss resigned, because the pressure was unbearable for her. I doubt she was sleeping. And I'm sure she wasn't enjoying it.
    It really was quite bizarre set of events. Somebody who has spent years plotting to get the top job, when they got there hadn't planned beyond back of a napkin level stuff....some might say Wagner coup level planning.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,936
    malcolmg said:

    I did indeed, as in I have not changed my Semmit this sennight
    That hebdomadal hairshirt you wear accounts for much
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675
    Emelian Pugachev, a Cossack who led a huge rebellion against Catherine the Great in the 1770.

    Pugachev was captured and publicly beheaded and quartered in Moscow. His legend gave rise to the noun “pugachevshchina” to denote the Russian proclivity for senseless, doomed rebellion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/26/opinion/international-world/putin-russia-uprising.html
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    rcs1000 said:

    She resigned.

    I think, whatever your views of her policies, that she found being at the top enormously stressful. The top job aged het five years in about five weeks.

    A stronger (probably older and with grown up children) character would have dared the Conservative Parliamentary Party to put forward the signatures for a VoNC.

    And I suspect that they would have shied from it.

    But it didn't come to that. Ms Truss resigned, because the pressure was unbearable for her. I doubt she was sleeping. And I'm sure she wasn't enjoying it.
    The pressure came almost entirely from the Sunakites in her own party and the media, who refused to accept the result of the leadership election.

    As we now see, they pushed her out, in favour of someone equally out of their depth. At least Liz Truss had ideas and plans, even if you disagree with them. Sunak has nothing.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497
    geoffw said:

    That hebdomadal hairshirt you wear accounts for much
    I find pointing out they mangle language like donald trump shuts them up
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,836

    Those numbers suggest that if the Lib Dems could find a more credible leader, they could repeat the Cleggasm polling bounce when it comes to the election.
    Sadly, that would require a different set of MPs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959

    Funnily enough, I sort of agree with you. Having put her in, they should have given her at least six months, probably a year, to turn things around and, to coin a phrase, 'surprise on the upside'. She shouldn't have appointed Kwarteng, though - would have had more chance without him.
    I still can't work out why having got there, she didn't really do that herself i.e. state her philosophy / vision, but reality is x, thus here are some changes, then in 12 months we will make some more. Instead it was like Wile E. Coyote running off a cliff.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613
    edited June 2023
    Pulpstar said:

    Just how did it get named the Watford gap ?

    I remember the first time coming across it. Have I really driven that far ? (Driving from Coventry...)
    Old pass through the [edit - wrong geology, apols.] some range in Northants, no? = gap between 2 hills etc. Roman roabdbuilders, railway, canal ...
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212

    Sunak fans please explain.

    Recent polls suggest the Tories are heading towards Truss territory now.
    Fact of the matter is that the challenge facing Sunak was gargantuan and it is beyond his ability.

    People want this government out. I think there’s things Sunak could possibly have done differently that might have helped (a wild one - I think going to the country in March-May time wouldn’t have been a terrible idea) but I think the fundamentals are such that it’s just time for the Tories to leave office now. The longer they continue, the more inevitable it gets.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Pulpstar said:

    Bespoke consultancy services in Africa.
    Is Sir Mark Thatcher one of their crack (in at least one sense) consultant?

    OR does Wagner Group (still) uphold higher standards of ethic AND efficiency than SMT?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,322

    Sunak fans please explain.

    Recent polls suggest the Tories are heading towards Truss territory now.
    Sunak should have shown some balls and voted for the Boris ban.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,153
    rcs1000 said:

    Sadly, that would require a different set of MPs.
    They could make Carol Vorderman the leader from outside parliament? :)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,056
    Sandpit said:

    Which is why they should have stuck with Truss in the first place.
    Not necessarily. Had the Conservatives stuck with Truss, their polling plunge would presumably have bottomed out by now, but God alone knows where that bottom would have been.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497

    They could make Carol Vorderman the leader from outside parliament? :)
    Is Carol Vorderman a lib dem she always came across as sensible
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,213
    algarkirk said:

    Gruntled is used by PG Wodehouse. 1938. Code of the Woosters.


    'He spoke with a certain what-is-it in his voice, and I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.'



    'Agonist' is, of course, frequently used in molecular biology.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,056

    It really was quite bizarre set of events. Somebody who has spent years plotting to get the top job, when they got there hadn't planned beyond back of a napkin level stuff....some might say Wagner coup level planning.
    Or Gordon Brown, who could at least do cool things with a glass eye.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited June 2023
    Pagan2 said:

    Is Carol Vorderman a lib dem she always came across as sensible
    Have you not heard her recently. She has gone all a bit left wing version of Laurence Fox. Everything is a giant conspiracy. Another of the midlife crisis mob along with Fox, Lineker, Vine, Morgan, etc.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675
    rcs1000 said:

    Sadly, that would require a different set of MPs.
    There's three by-elections coming up.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    rcs1000 said:

    Sadly, that would require a different set of MPs.
    Nah, Ed Davey is running things well with good prospects of further gains at the byelections and doubling the LD representation at the GE.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675
    Mary Ilyushina
    @maryilyushina
    ·
    7m
    Prigozhin is back with an 11-min audio message. Says the reason he marches is because Wagner was forced to disband on July 1s because of Shoigu order to sign contracts. Wagner commanders refused to sign. Thread:


    https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1673343223257866241
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,213
    Cookie said:

    There used to be four words for 'you' in English: you, ye, thou and thee. I think you/ye was formal/plural and thou/thee familiar and singular. (Pleasingly, the CoE referred to God in the familiar rather than formal tone). The ou/e endings are equivalent to the continuing difference between I/me, him/he, her/she and whom/who, although the latter two are now used so interchangeably that even dyed in the wool pedants sometimes need to think a bit about it.
    Korean has entirely different verb forms for different levels of formality.
    I believe there used to be one used exclusively for addressing royalty, which is sadly defunct (though perhaps to be encountered in historical dramas).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Have you not heard her recently. She has gone all a bit left wing version of Laurence Fox. Everything is a giant conspiracy.
    For someone who was once famous for her brain, she does seem to have gone totally off the rails in recent years. She’s now Liz Hurley, but half a decade older.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212
    rcs1000 said:

    She resigned.

    I think, whatever your views of her policies, that she found being at the top enormously stressful. The top job aged het five years in about five weeks.

    A stronger (probably older and with grown up children) character would have dared the Conservative Parliamentary Party to put forward the signatures for a VoNC.

    And I suspect that they would have shied from it.

    But it didn't come to that. Ms Truss resigned, because the pressure was unbearable for her. I doubt she was sleeping. And I'm sure she wasn't enjoying it.
    A variety of factors did for Truss. Lack of a convincing mandate from MPs, not particularly well known (or liked) among the public before taking office, and unfortunately just not equipped with the political skills to push a radical policy agenda and take people with her. She was just not suited for high office, and it is a tremendous shame that the Tory Party and the membership lost their collective minds and enabled her rise. A middle ranking cabinet minister with some interesting background policy ideas? I could go with that. Not a PM.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,928
    rcs1000 said:

    She resigned.

    I think, whatever your views of her policies, that she found being at the top enormously stressful. The top job aged het five years in about five weeks.

    A stronger (probably older and with grown up children) character would have dared the Conservative Parliamentary Party to put forward the signatures for a VoNC.

    And I suspect that they would have shied from it.

    But it didn't come to that. Ms Truss resigned, because the pressure was unbearable for her. I doubt she was sleeping. And I'm sure she wasn't enjoying it.
    If so, that makes her even more unsuitable for the job. You wouldn't knowingly bring that sort of misery upon yourself, but if she was oblivious to what the consequences of her actions would be she should never have been entrusted with that sort of responsibility.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Pulpstar said:

    Just how did it get named the Watford gap ?

    I remember the first time coming across it. Have I really driven that far ? (Driving from Coventry...)
    It was named to fulfil the same function as Wales and swimming pools. As a useful demarcation, in this instance, of what, beyond which, was "north".
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Have you not heard her recently. She has gone all a bit left wing version of Laurence Fox. Everything is a giant conspiracy. Another of the midlife crisis mob along with Fox, Lineker, Vine, Morgan, etc.
    Is "etc" perchance "Leon"'s latest PB persona?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675

    Not necessarily. Had the Conservatives stuck with Truss, their polling plunge would presumably have bottomed out by now, but God alone knows where that bottom would have been.
    It would be a disgrace.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,892
    edited June 2023
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited June 2023

    Or Gordon Brown, who could at least do cool things with a glass eye.
    The problem Gordon Brown had was he was so used to taking 6 months to plan everything out and micro-managing every decision under his authority, that all of a sudden the remit was like exponentially bigger ( ;-) ) and the decision needed to be made then and there, so it all snowballed.

    Truss didn't even appear to have any plan at all.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,836
    Sandpit said:

    It’s simply a VPN bridge that links two outgoing connections, or it’s more than that?
    Tailscale works in two ways.

    The first is the simplest. You install the Tailscale software to any computers you want to be on the same subnet (Linux, Android, Windows, etc.) You login via Google. And - tada - you now have half dozen machines also having an IP on subnet, irrespective of where they are, with no need to forward ports, or anything.

    The second is slightly more complex. You set up a small container (probably running on Proxmox) and make that an exit node for your entire local network. (Time to setup, about a minute.) You can then, from any of your other Tailscale machines, access that entire subnet.

    Look: setting up VPNs is not that complex. But Tailscale makes it so incredibly simple. It also means that I can make cloud hosted servers like PB more secure. Historically, I've had port 22 open, so I can SSH in. (Root SSH login not allowed, obviously.) But now I can only allow SSH over the "local" network, so that anyone hunting for open ports will only find HTTPS.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Mary Ilyushina
    @maryilyushina
    ·
    7m
    Prigozhin is back with an 11-min audio message. Says the reason he marches is because Wagner was forced to disband on July 1s because of Shoigu order to sign contracts. Wagner commanders refused to sign. Thread:


    https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1673343223257866241

    Here we go then!

    Not over by a long way, which explains why we’ve heard nothing from Putin.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    Sandpit said:

    For someone who was once famous for her brain, she does seem to have gone totally off the rails in recent years. She’s now Liz Hurley, but half a decade older.
    That's what too much social does to your brain.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,213
    Sandpit said:

    Which is why they should have stuck with Truss in the first place.
    Why, so you could dump her for a new leader closer to the election ?
    Not sure that would have improved anything at all.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,213
    Doesn't understand retail politics outside his home state.

    ‘It’s just stupid’: DeSantis stumbles in New Hampshire
    It once looked like Ron DeSantis might be poised for a breakthrough in New Hampshire. Not anymore.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/26/ron-desantis-new-hampshire-00103519
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited June 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    Tailscale works in two ways.

    The first is the simplest. You install the Tailscale software to any computers you want to be on the same subnet (Linux, Android, Windows, etc.) You login via Google. And - tada - you now have half dozen machines also having an IP on subnet, irrespective of where they are, with no need to forward ports, or anything.

    The second is slightly more complex. You set up a small container (probably running on Proxmox) and make that an exit node for your entire local network. (Time to setup, about a minute.) You can then, from any of your other Tailscale machines, access that entire subnet.

    Look: setting up VPNs is not that complex. But Tailscale makes it so incredibly simple. It also means that I can make cloud hosted servers like PB more secure. Historically, I've had port 22 open, so I can SSH in. (Root SSH login not allowed, obviously.) But now I can only allow SSH over the "local" network, so that anyone hunting for open ports will only find HTTPS.
    You lost me as a serious solution with “login via Google”.

    That said, I’m off the day job for the next fortnight thanks to the Eid holiday, so maybe I’ll take a look at the second option. I’m still presuming it’s a service that links outgoing VPN connections, and that you need an account that could be terminated tomorrow if your bank declines the payment.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Have you not heard her recently. She has gone all a bit left wing version of Laurence Fox. Everything is a giant conspiracy. Another of the midlife crisis mob along with Fox, Lineker, Vine, Morgan, etc.
    She's found a gap in the rentagob market on the left side. She's just using the same tricks but with a different target. It's a grift.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,712
    148grss said:

    "It's the economy, stupid"

    The problem I think Labour will have is they won't stay popular if SKS keeps his "fiscal rules" and just does austerity again. Coming out against a teacher pay rise, for example, when teachers are a group who used to be relatively evenly split Tory v Lab back in 09 to very Labour now is maddening - the Tories give their base lots of economic security and Labour actively tells its base to piss off.

    Depending on the size of the Labour majority, I wonder if we'll finally see the party disintegration that should have happened a while ago - if SKS kicks out all the actual left leaning MPs / they leave Lab due to some godawful policy Starmer will produce and then they form a new party / join the Greens to form an actual progressive left party; Reform UK eat into Cons enough that Cons and Ref UK are both somewhat serious contenders for the right, and Labour and LDs claim the centre with (at the moment at least) SKS's Labour claiming the centre right and the LDs claiming the centre left. I only think this would happen in the event of a Tory wipe out and a Lab super majority - SKS will feel safe kicking out the left and still being able to govern / the left will feel safe leaving the Lab party without the fear of letting the Tories in power, and if Reform will get taken seriously by the media because the media is always more than happy to prop up any right wing nutjob party, even without serious representation in parliament.
    Hope you're not calling me stupid!

    I think you exaggerate the extent to which Starmer wants to purge the left. He's doing what he thinks he needs to do to win the GE and is, I'd agree, being rather ruthless about it. But he knows full well that if people like me, good old lefties, abandon the party for the Greens or whatever then Labour won't be winning any future elections.

    As I've said before, I think there'll be enough radicalism and redistribution once Starmer wins power to satisfy most of the left, though of course the extreme left would never be satisfied.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    Ghedebrav said:

    She's found a gap in the rentagob market on the left side. She's just using the same tricks but with a different target. It's a grift.
    Isn't there already plenty occupying that space? Lineker, Neville, basically every other celebrity on twitter....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited June 2023

    Isn't there already plenty occupying that space? Lineker, Neville, basically every other celebrity on twitter....
    The difference being that Vorderman can get herself on TV, in an environment where her optinions carry weight thanks to her reputation.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675
    Nigelb said:

    Doesn't understand retail politics outside his home state.

    ‘It’s just stupid’: DeSantis stumbles in New Hampshire
    It once looked like Ron DeSantis might be poised for a breakthrough in New Hampshire. Not anymore.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/26/ron-desantis-new-hampshire-00103519

    I believe Christie is spending time in NH.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited June 2023
    Sandpit said:

    The difference being that Vorderman can get herself on TV, in an environment where her optinions carry weight thanks to her reputation.
    The few times I heard her recently, that reputation didn't last long as she sounded unhinged. Everything is some secret conspiracy / sleaze that mainstream media won't dare talk about.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,928
    edited June 2023

    It really was quite bizarre set of events. Somebody who has spent years plotting to get the top job, when they got there hadn't planned beyond back of a napkin level stuff....some might say Wagner coup level planning.
    I think she spent those years imbibing a lot of hokum economic philosophy - the sort of stuff that sounds terribly convincing when zealots are propounding it to each other and dissent isn't a thing.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,664
    IanB2 said:

    The Sunday Rawnsley, brought to you on a Monday, but then it takes a long time to drive to Arsland:

    Talking is a whole lot easier than doing. When the crunch comes, when a Labour cabinet faces the horribly tough choices that are going to confront them in power, will their fine words turn out to be little more than hot air?

    …some key questions for Labour have been under-scrutinised. Is it realistic to think that the UK can generate all its electricity from clean sources by the end of this decade? Sir Keir maintains that is still his mission, but a lot of expert opinion is sceptical. The polite say it sounds “highly ambitious”. The ruder say there’s not “a hope in hell” of achieving the target. Labour claims it can kickstart growth to turn the UK into the fastest-expanding economy in the G7. Does that still add up when investment in a critical component is going to start later than originally promised? A hard pledge has softened into a vaguer-sounding goal. The wary are suspicious that it will next dissolve into nothing better than a wispy aspiration. That would be bad for the country and for the planet.

    It should not be beyond Sir Keir and his team to make the green prosperity plan attractive. If the Labour party cannot sell lower bills, more jobs, a healthier planet, energy self-sufficiency and screwing Vladimir Putin to the electorate it might as well get out of the business of politics altogether.

    The Labour leader and his colleagues ought to be mindful of the dangers of giving the impression that they make grandiose-sounding pledges to change the world only then to retreat when they encounter challenge and resistance. That’s not the way for an opposition to generate confidence. As a method of running a government, it would be terrible.



    Not sure that AR is right. Like everyone else, Sir K doesn't actually have a workable scheme to save the planet. Saving the planet requires unplannable luck, that same luck that has held for 4 billion years. Saving the human race is not in his, or anyone's, gift.

    More modestly he needs to ensure he doesn't lose an election. This is not in the bag.

    Sir K and Labour are in the perfect place to hit the political sweet spot: to win by under promising, and govern by slightly over- delivering.

    The degree of hopelessness and helplessness is palpable. See all the media every day. You don't need to promise sunlit uplands and free owls when it would be a remarkable achievement to keep Spar and Greggs open in Accrington and Grimsby.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,399
    Sandpit said:

    You lost me as a serious solution with “login via Google”.

    That said, I’m off the day job for the next fortnight thanks to the Eid holiday, so maybe I’ll take a look at the second option. I’m still presuming it’s a service that links outgoing VPN connections, and that you need an account that could be terminated tomorrow if your bank declines the payment.
    I think there is an open source self hosted version but tailscale have a usable free level that definitely covers most non-commercial use cases...
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,507
    Sandpit said:

    You lost me as a serious solution with “login via Google”.

    That said, I’m off the day job for the next fortnight thanks to the Eid holiday, so maybe I’ll take a look at the second option. I’m still presuming it’s a service that links outgoing VPN connections, and that you need an account that could be terminated tomorrow if your bank declines the payment.
    Tailscale supports a ton of authentication options. Google is the easiest if you just want to try it out, but there really are no limits.

    It’s a fantastically well thought out solution that builds on top of existing open source code. You could implement the whole thing yourself on top of wireguard if you really wanted to, but tailscale just works & is ready to go.

    Try it, you might like it.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786

    Not necessarily. Had the Conservatives stuck with Truss, their polling plunge would presumably have bottomed out by now, but God alone knows where that bottom would have been.
    Good afternoon

    Sunak and Hunt are following the only course open to government at present, and will take the hit as they are the only ones saying how it is despite how unpopular it is, though labour have been responsible in rejecting the lib dem £300 per month mortgage cash payment, and yesterday Lisa Nandy stepped away from a blanket endorsement of the pay review bodies

    This is hard, and we can refer to 13 years of conservative misrule, brexit, covid and the war in Ukraine but recalling these issues does not show the way forward, which I would venture to suggest that if the government does not clamp down, not only on wage increases, but yes the triple lock, benefits rises and increases in the national living wage a point may arise that the IMF walk into London as per the 1976 labour government financial crisis

    I make no apologies for supporting Sunak and Hunt and, hopefully, in 18 months they may have made things a little easier for Starmer and labour, but at their and the conservative party's political cost and as a consequence of the Johnson and Truss preceding chaos
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    Hope you're not calling me stupid!

    I think you exaggerate the extent to which Starmer wants to purge the left. He's doing what he thinks he needs to do to win the GE and is, I'd agree, being rather ruthless about it. But he knows full well that if people like me, good old lefties, abandon the party for the Greens or whatever then Labour won't be winning any future elections.

    As I've said before, I think there'll be enough radicalism and redistribution once Starmer wins power to satisfy most of the left, though of course the extreme left would never be satisfied.
    I don't know if you follow (at)tomorrowsmps on twitter, but he follows lots of local selection processes and has a good archive of just how far SKS is going in terms of kicking out anyone considered on the left of the party. Like, whose GE vote was dependent on deselecting this current popular northern mayor versus the damage done with local party members / activists?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/04/blocking-jamie-driscoll-as-labours-mayoral-candidate-is-error-says-unite

    It is clear that even if SKS doesn't want to clean house, those around him do. They want to go further than Blair did and consign the left of the party to history. I can't see any prominent left wing MPs making their way into the cabinet once a government is formed.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited June 2023
    I do wonder if history might be a little kinder on Truss than contemporary public/media/Tory opinion.

    An epic demonstration, perhaps, that politics is hard and has all sorts of non-obvious constraints when it comes to policy options.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,153
    rcs1000 said:

    She resigned.

    I think, whatever your views of her policies, that she found being at the top enormously stressful. The top job aged het five years in about five weeks.

    A stronger (probably older and with grown up children) character would have dared the Conservative Parliamentary Party to put forward the signatures for a VoNC.

    And I suspect that they would have shied from it.

    But it didn't come to that. Ms Truss resigned, because the pressure was unbearable for her. I doubt she was sleeping. And I'm sure she wasn't enjoying it.
    That's one quality that Theresa May certainly didn't lack. In different circumstances, her "bloody difficult woman" persona could have made her a great PM. I'm convinced she would have been better than Cameron over the 2010-2016 period.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Phil said:

    Tailscale supports a ton of authentication options. Google is the easiest if you just want to try it out, but there really are no limits.

    It’s a fantastically well thought out solution that builds on top of existing open source code. You could implement the whole thing yourself on top of wireguard if you really wanted to, but tailscale just works & is ready to go.

    Try it, you might like it.
    Okay, sounds fun! That’s next week’s project lined up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited June 2023
    ping said:

    I do wonder if history might be a little kinder on Truss than contemporary public/media/Tory opinion.

    An epic demonstration, perhaps, that politics is hard and has all sorts of non-obvious constraints when it comes to policy options.

    If they had even got some proper costings and some sort of vaguely believable plan then maybe. But the fact it was here are all my policies, they are really quite radical...how much will it all cost and who will you pay for it....errrhhhhh.....let me get back to you on that one.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,068
    Nigelb said:

    Bet Reagan never thought a carrier named after him would fly the Vietnamese flag.
    https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1673312156010569728

    Nice.

    Bet he never thought the Republican Party would be backing Russia in a European war, but how times change.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    What stage of capitalism is it when even the IMF is willing to say "hey, maybe profit seeking is the problem here" and national governments are still banging on the drum about the threat of inflationary wage spirals?

    https://twitter.com/lslothuus/status/1673340395583950851?s=20

    We will see inflation increase as long as companies think they can extract profits without having to pay workers more. They could even follow the new path of most corporate landlords - where in the past landlords prioritised having a tenant over rent prices and so if they had empty rooms for too long they would negotiate down, the new system is to accept the loss in the short term to get the longer term profit from higher rents anyway. I worry we could see this with food - before waste loss might have been considered unacceptable, but now if they increase prices they could make up any wastage loss by those who can afford to pay the higher price still doing so.

    Who has bread riots in the UK on their 2023 bingo card?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,773
    edited June 2023

    So according to the BBC, The Wagner Group are still recruiting as an independent force.

    This despite the fact their leader has vanished and they are being integrated into the Russian Army, apparently.

    Answers on a postcard….

    I actually might be able to answer this, possibly.

    Wagner are *huge*. They have a defacto empire in Africa (exaggeration possibly, but it's that order of magnitude) and actually thought of setting up a sovereign state there. Their boss has just levered $12bn out of Russia and hasn't laid down one gun. The disaffected are being recruited into Russian armies, but you can't make a man with a gun work for you.

    Anybody remember when the Japanese bought a Hollywood studio (Sony? Columbia?) in the 80/90's, only to find all they had was a name and a piece of paper and all the talent had buggered off? It might be like that.

    [I might be wrong here. The above is plausible and fits the facts, but that's not the same as "true" and other interpretations may be the case. Apols if stupid]

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,712
    edited June 2023
    148grss said:

    I don't know if you follow (at)tomorrowsmps on twitter, but he follows lots of local selection processes and has a good archive of just how far SKS is going in terms of kicking out anyone considered on the left of the party. Like, whose GE vote was dependent on deselecting this current popular northern mayor versus the damage done with local party members / activists?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/04/blocking-jamie-driscoll-as-labours-mayoral-candidate-is-error-says-unite

    It is clear that even if SKS doesn't want to clean house, those around him do. They want to go further than Blair did and consign the left of the party to history. I can't see any prominent left wing MPs making their way into the cabinet once a government is formed.
    I think it was a mistake dumping Driscoll, but I understand why he did it. As for the selection process generally, it's good that due diligence is thorough and they're being very careful not to select anybody with any dodgy anti-semitism or whatever in their history. My MP is Lloyd Russell-Moyle, and there's been no move to unseat him at all. I'm more optimistic than you, but we'll see.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,068
    Farooq said:

    I don't see the problem with people verbing nouns. Everyone understands what is meant and it's succinct.
    Within my mouth you have enjailed my tongue,
    Doubly portcullised with my teeth and lips


    From "Richard II"
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    ping said:

    I do wonder if history might be a little kinder on Truss than contemporary public/media/Tory opinion.

    An epic demonstration, perhaps, that politics is hard and has all sorts of non-obvious constraints when it comes to policy options.

    No, I don't think so. She was trying to do Reaganomics without having any state assets left to sell off to balance the books. We would have been embuggered, bigly.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 908
    algarkirk said:

    Not sure that AR is right. Like everyone else, Sir K doesn't actually have a workable scheme to save the planet. Saving the planet requires unplannable luck, that same luck that has held for 4 billion years. Saving the human race is not in his, or anyone's, gift.

    More modestly he needs to ensure he doesn't lose an election. This is not in the bag.

    Sir K and Labour are in the perfect place to hit the political sweet spot: to win by under promising, and govern by slightly over- delivering.

    The degree of hopelessness and helplessness is palpable. See all the media every day. You don't need to promise sunlit uplands and free owls when it would be a remarkable achievement to keep Spar and Greggs open in Accrington and Grimsby.
    I think you're onto something with the plan of under promising and over delivering. The problem Starmer is facing is that things are so shit he's having to promise less and less. IMO he'll have to pivot at some point and begin saying 'We want to do this but the Government has fucked it so bad that we can't deliver it.'
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,184
    Scott_xP said:

    @DeltapollUK
    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨
    Labour lead is twenty-three percentage points in the latest results from Deltapoll.
    Con 24% (-3)
    Lab 47% (+1)
    Lib Dem 12% (+2)
    Other 16% (-)
    Fieldwork: 23rd - 26th June 2023
    Sample: 1,089 GB adults
    (Changes from 16th - 19th June 2023)

    Broken, sleazy Tories on the slide :lol:
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,068
    Scott_xP said:

    I know you can be overwhelmed, and I know you can be underwhelmed, but can you ever just be whelmed?
    "Whelmed" was a word. It meant "overwhelmed".
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,956

    That's one quality that Theresa May certainly didn't lack. In different circumstances, her "bloody difficult woman" persona could have made her a great PM. I'm convinced she would have been better than Cameron over the 2010-2016 period.
    But who would May have gone into coalition with?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,922
    geoffw said:

    That hebdomadal hairshirt you wear accounts for much
    Getting real fancy now
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,636

    "Whelmed" was a word. It meant "overwhelmed".
    I use whelmed all the time. But I use it to mean 'I reacted emotionally in a way commensurate with my expectations being exactly met, but not exceeded.'
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,153
    ClippP said:

    But who would May have gone into coalition with?
    Why not the Lib Dems? Remember that she was the original Tory moderniser before anyone had heard of David Cameron.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    I think it was a mistake dumping Driscoll, but I understand why he did it. As for the selection process generally, it's good that due diligence is thorough and they're being very careful not to select anybody with any dodgy anti-semitism or whatever in their history. My MP is Lloyd Russell-Moyle, and there's been no move to unseat him at all. I'm more optimistic than you, but we'll see.
    It is clearly factional, has nothing to do with anti-semitism or racism in general, and I don't see why current behaviour shouldn't be a predictor for future behaviour.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-selection-process-keir-starmer-maurice-mcleod-lauren-townsend/?fbclid=IwAR1Ig3sUU1XbFi7WCHFH5ctOBHeTlQ4o6kKTo2whYlP-ndT1Yuxavp48XOM
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,922

    The few times I heard her recently, that reputation didn't last long as she sounded unhinged. Everything is some secret conspiracy / sleaze that mainstream media won't dare talk about.
    Exactly an overrated windbag from living off appearing on a crappy gameshow and multiple enhancements
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675
    There is no path to the White House for Republicans with Mr. Trump. He would need every single Republican and independent vote, and there are untold numbers of Republicans and independents who will never vote for him, if for no other perfectly legitimate reason than that he has corrupted America’s democracy and is now attempting to corrupt the country’s rule of law.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/25/opinion/trump-republican-party.html

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,153

    Mary Ilyushina
    @maryilyushina
    ·
    7m
    Prigozhin is back with an 11-min audio message. Says the reason he marches is because Wagner was forced to disband on July 1s because of Shoigu order to sign contracts. Wagner commanders refused to sign. Thread:


    https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1673343223257866241

    It's a dangerous moment for Putin to have the whole country hanging on every word from Prigozhin while he is invisible.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,636
    Pulpstar said:

    Just how did it get named the Watford gap ?

    I remember the first time coming across it. Have I really driven that far ? (Driving from Coventry...)
    The Watford Gap is a gap in a range of low hills in Northamptonshire, next to the village of Watford. A less famous Watford that its much larger namesake in Hertfordshire, but a perfectly cromulent Watford nonetheless.

    When people refer to 'north of the Watford Gap' it makes a lot more sense if you know that the Watford gap is here, not in Hertfordshire.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    If they had even got some proper costings and some sort of vaguely believable plan then maybe. But the fact it was here are all my policies, they are really quite radical...how much will it all cost and who will you pay for it....errrhhhhh.....let me get back to you on that one.
    I can't see posterity being kind to Truss, for the reasons you outline - other than perhaps a little on a human level. Epic hubris borne of the Tory party's institutional idiocy.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    ping said:

    I do wonder if history might be a little kinder on Truss than contemporary public/media/Tory opinion.

    An epic demonstration, perhaps, that politics is hard and has all sorts of non-obvious constraints when it comes to policy options.

    "I do wonder if history might be a little kinder on Truss than contemporary public/media/Tory opinion."

    Maybe . . . PROVIDED that Clio starts sporting an S&M collar . . .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,773
    viewcode said:

    The second session at the #LWC23 focuses on NATO's transformation. Want to learn more about the impact of Finland's alliance membership, the New Force Model, and NATO's renewed deterrence concept? See https://bit.ly/41TjUQl

    https://twitter.com/RUSI_org/status/1673322574078521355

    The third session at the #LWC23 focuses on NATO's military industrial base. It explores securing supply chains, scaling production, and maximising value for money in the face of resilience challenges: https://bit.ly/41TjUQl

    https://twitter.com/RUSI_org/status/1673351633944674304
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Cookie said:

    It was only a few years ago I found out fortnight was in any way endangered, and that Americans find our use of it quaint.
    Did you know that as well as fortnight (a contraction of 'fourteen night', of course) there was once a term 'sennight' as a perfectly cromulent synonym for 'week'?
    You read that in a fair number of c19th novels
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    148grss said:

    No, I don't think so. She was trying to do Reaganomics without having any state assets left to sell off to balance the books. We would have been embuggered, bigly.
    Wasn't funding tax-cuts for the rich via borrowing one of the pillars of her economic strategy too? Far from cromulent.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,636

    The few times I heard her recently, that reputation didn't last long as she sounded unhinged. Everything is some secret conspiracy / sleaze that mainstream media won't dare talk about.
    Yes, 'Vorderman goes full Icke' wasn't one I had on my 2023 bingo card.

    She's different from Lineker. Lineker just puts out highly conventional BBC opinions. He sounds - to my unsympathetic ears - smug and far less clever than he thinks he is. But he doesn't sound unhinged in the way Vorderman increasingly does.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    "I do wonder if history might be a little kinder on Truss than contemporary public/media/Tory opinion."

    Maybe . . . PROVIDED that Clio starts sporting an S&M collar . . .
    Sure inflicted the wrong kind of S&M on investors and about-to-be-pensioners, not tio mention mortgage holders.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Within my mouth you have enjailed my tongue,
    Doubly portcullised with my teeth and lips


    From "Richard II"
    Shakespeare was an American, bent on polluting the purity of the English language? Who'd've thunk it?!?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,213

    Mary Ilyushina
    @maryilyushina
    ·
    7m
    Prigozhin is back with an 11-min audio message. Says the reason he marches is because Wagner was forced to disband on July 1s because of Shoigu order to sign contracts. Wagner commanders refused to sign. Thread:


    https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1673343223257866241

    AI generated transcript.
    https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1673345590535544835

    This bit about how the march on Kyiv would have been fine if left to them is pure fantasy - but it might find an audience.
    ...In 24 hours, we covered the distance that corresponds to the distance from the launch site of Russian troops on February 24, 22 to Kyiv and from the same point to Uzhgorod.

    Therefore, if the action on February 24, 22, at the time of the start of the special operation, was carried out by a unit in terms of the level of training, in terms of the level of moral composure and readiness to perform tasks, like the Wagner PMC, then perhaps the special operation would last a day. It is clear that there were other problems, but we showed the level of organization that the Russian army should correspond to. And when on June 23-24 we walked past Russian cities, civilians met us with the flags of Russia and with the emblems and flags of the Wagner PMC...


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