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  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    Pjotr Sauer
    @PjotrSauer
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    11m
    Surovikin’a message implies that Wagner’s columns are moving somewhere

    https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer
  • Mexicanpete
    Mexicanpete Posts: 33,115
    Farooq said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    Conspiracy theorists say it is the Olympic and not the Titanic at the bottom of the Atlantic. If true, that would make Titan the poorest choice of maritime name since BoatyMcBoatface.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    So, Prigozhin in a Moscow prison cell by morning, or a Ukrainian holding cell as he flees?
  • Leon
    Leon Posts: 63,050
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    If that's a gag, do please STFU. Not the time. Not funny - also distracting

    If it's news, do carry on
    The Titan, people. It's literally been in the news for days. It's obviously a joke and very silly too.
    = shut up, or make it very funny
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    edited June 2023
    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.
  • Leon
    Leon Posts: 63,050
    edited June 2023
    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,331
    Cicero said:

    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.

    Even if he doesn't win, the scorpions fighting each other is hardly because the "SMO" is a success.
  • LostPassword
    LostPassword Posts: 19,679
    rottenborough said:

    Pjotr Sauer
    @PjotrSauer
    ·
    11m
    Surovikin’a message implies that Wagner’s columns are moving somewhere

    https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer

    One telegram report has them on the road towards Rostov-on-Don, but no photos. The sun rises there at 04:25 there, less than four hours time. I'll expect there will be some firmer news with our breakfast tomorrow.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
  • SeaShantyIrish2
    SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Andy_JS said:

    Ex-Tory MP David Warburton blames the MeToo movement for his problems.

    "David Warburton: Ex-MP says Me Too's influence too strong"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-65985598

    Though (perhaps) unlikely hero for Me Too Movement, Mandy Rice Davies's classic retort DOES spring to mind.
  • EPG
    EPG Posts: 6,739
    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
    It's that British intelligence training. Inspired by trucks at Dover.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    Russia accuses Wagner chief of urging 'armed mutiny'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66005256
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    Some good candidates for Uxbridge I see.


    • Blaise Baquich, Liberal Democrat
    • Danny Beales, Labour
    • Cameron Bell, Independent
    • Count Binface, Count Binface Party
    • Piers Corbyn, Let London Live
    • Laurence Fox, Reclaim Party
    • Steve Gardner, Social Democratic Party
    • Ed Gemmell, Climate Party
    • Sarah Green, Green Party
    • Kingsley Hamilton, Independent
    • Richard Hewison, Rejoin EU
    • Howling Hope, Official Monster Raving Loony Party
    • 77 Joseph, independent
    • Rebecca Jane, UKIP
    • Enomfon Ntefon, Christian Peoples Alliance
    • Leo Phaure, Independent
    • Steve Tuckwell, Conservative Party
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66000978
    UKIP are still around?!
    Of course, under the leadership of Neil Hamilton.
  • nico679
    nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.

    Even if he doesn't win, the scorpions fighting each other is hardly because the "SMO" is a success.
    Well quite, but that has been true since the retreat from Kyiv.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Cicero said:

    Rumours that Lukashenka and his family are on a plane to Moscow. He is the nominal head of the "Union State of Russia and Belarus". I think we are in a new phase of Russian politics.

    What???????????????????
  • SeaShantyIrish2
    SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    What was it, that 20th-century's answer to Boris Johnson (bite my tongue!) observed re: Lenin?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.

    Even if he doesn't win, the scorpions fighting each other is hardly because the "SMO" is a success.
    Well quite, but that has been true since the retreat from Kyiv.
    I believe their official line is that that was all just a feint or a goodwill gesture. Right.
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    Hmm.

    If they're going to take on Putin they need to win pretty quickly.
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,725
    EPG said:

    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
    It's that British intelligence training. Inspired by trucks at Dover.
    So all the Russians need to do is hit the front of the column and some points in between…

    If it exists.
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    Confirmed that troops are on the streets of Moscow.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Be funny if its revealed all the Prigozhin messages are just AI creations.

    (Less funny when similar things happen in the reverse direction)
  • Leon
    Leon Posts: 63,050
    This explains the Orcas
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    Christo Grozev
    @christogrozev
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    27m
    Replying to
    @christogrozev
    Arresting Prigozhin is no trivial job. He has an almost unparalleled Pretorian guard and his security chiefs were poached from the best FSO and FSB had on offer. And they've been preparing for this moment for months.
    Tomorrow will be an interesting day. One way or the other.
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,331
    kle4 said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.

    Even if he doesn't win, the scorpions fighting each other is hardly because the "SMO" is a success.
    Well quite, but that has been true since the retreat from Kyiv.
    I believe their official line is that that was all just a feint or a goodwill gesture. Right.
    A declaration of "Mission Accomplished" and a "goodwill gesture" out of Crimea seems more likely than not by the end of this year now, I think.
  • Westie
    Westie Posts: 426
    Farooq said:

    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
    If you don't control the airspace above you and you're out in the open, you spread out
    Perhaps Prigozhin's statement about the regular forces bombing Wagner positions was false and intended to lower the likelihood of such an attack in the near future.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    If Putin would like to make things very interesting by having a heart attack right now I wouldn't object.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    FrankBooth said:

    Cicero said:

    Rumours that Lukashenka and his family are on a plane to Moscow. He is the nominal head of the "Union State of Russia and Belarus". I think we are in a new phase of Russian politics.

    What???????????????????
    Ukraine Front Lines
    @EuromaidanPR
    ·
    20m
    The business jet of the Belarusian President Lukashenka family took off from Minsk at 00:01 a.m., - Belarusian opposition media reports.
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,331
    boulay said:

    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    Phillip Schofield is after a new job.
    The guy who had the kids show with Gordon the Gopher? He wasn't in the closet enough to replace this guy.

    image
  • londonpubman
    londonpubman Posts: 3,665
    Maybe we will have a new poster on here tomorrow morning to provide clarification on events in Russia.
  • boulay
    boulay Posts: 6,612
    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    And now we go over to our Moscow correspondent, Westie, do you think the above is likely?
  • MightyAlex
    MightyAlex Posts: 1,789
    Cicero said:

    Confirmed that troops are on the streets of Moscow.

    Apparently they've activated the 'Fortress plan'.
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    Kasparov point out the need for caution, whatever happens.

    Whoever keeps control, Putin or anyone else, will be faced with threats & instability. It is vital for the free world not to offer any lifelines to murderers. We do not expect democracy and liberty to suddenly flourish, but there can be no deals with Russian war criminals.

    https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1672364498261245953?s=20
  • Westie
    Westie Posts: 426
    edited June 2023
    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    It's not hard to believe at all. It would be extremely likely.

    Prigozhin is f*cked, is my judgement. Kadyrov probably won't join him. This is from 3 weeks ago:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/stop-yelling-top-chechen-fighter-scolds-russias-wagner-mercenary-chief-2023-06-01/

    The big questions are what the effect will be on Russian war-fighting and diplomacy, and on Putin.
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    edited June 2023
    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.
  • GarethoftheVale2
    GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,350
    Even if the "coup" fails, there has got to be a great opportunity for Ukraine to counterattack here, if drags a lot of Russian troops away from the frontline
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867

    Jason Jay Smart
    @officejjsmart
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    6m
    CENTER OF MOSCOW NOW

    Prigozhin has called on the Russian National Guard to join his side to fight against the Russian Army.

    https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672363660834897920
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    Boris Johnson could do better than the Daily Mail :lol:
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,317
    Off topic from Russia.
    I ain't good looking, but
    I have extremely blue eyes.
    It's got me the home run more than once.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    What did Sir Alex Feguson call it? Squeaky bum time.
  • Stuartinromford
    Stuartinromford Posts: 19,148
    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    Can we offer to sponsor one? Sort of like a guide dog?
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,317
    Leon said:

    This explains the Orcas

    They used to be killer whales.
    Whoever did their re-brand deserves a medal.
  • MightyAlex
    MightyAlex Posts: 1,789
    This is madness. True madness. Putin being brought down by his mercenaries fucking lol.

    I can't imagine the poor bastards at the bottom of the Russian army have been much enamoured by their generals. If I was Prigozhin I'd be laying it all on the general staff too. Maybe the meat will turn out for a bit of revenge.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, from the begininng.

    He's more vulnerable at home, it's one reason I assume he has to cozy up to Putin as much as he does.
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    edited June 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    I think it will take a while before old habits die. So still plenty of fun ahead. Anyway its 1.10 here, 2.10 in Moscow and the sun will rise soon, so I should really get to bed.
  • TimS
    TimS Posts: 15,712
    Westie said:

    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    It's not hard to believe at all. It would be extremely likely.

    Prigozhin is f*cked, is my judgement. Kadyrov probably won't join him. This is from 3 weeks ago:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/stop-yelling-top-chechen-fighter-scolds-russias-wagner-mercenary-chief-2023-06-01/

    The big questions are what the effect will be on Russian war-fighting and diplomacy, and on Putin.
    They lose their main agent of influence in Africa, Wagner group. Unless they can kick Prigozhin out quickly and maintain Wagner structures intact that’s a big blow to control of mineral resources. Potentially an impact in Syria too.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    Even if the "coup" fails, there has got to be a great opportunity for Ukraine to counterattack here, if drags a lot of Russian troops away from the frontline

    They kill Prigozhin and Putin declares this to be a sign from the heavens that the Ukrainians have repented their Nazi ways and the troops can come home.

    Sadly not, but one can dream.
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,331
    Cicero said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    I think it will take a while before old habits die. So still plenty of fun ahead. Anyway its 1.10 here, 2.10 in Moscow and the sun will rise soon, so I should really get to bet.
    Well you're on the right site then, we sometimes forget it but there's a bit of betting interest here.
  • Westie
    Westie Posts: 426
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.

    WTF are you smoking?
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202
    For all those of you who want to watch Sparks at Glasto, it was on the park stage, timecode 9:15-10;15pm, and the iPlayer link is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0ft9nxk/glastonbury-park-stage-friday
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867

    Anton Gerashchenko
    @Gerashchenko_en
    ·
    4m
    Russian First TV channel announces an emergency news release soon.

    Will Putin address his people?
  • boulay
    boulay Posts: 6,612
    edited June 2023
    viewcode said:

    For all those of you who want to watch Sparks at Glasto, it was on the park stage, timecode 9:15-10;15pm, and the iPlayer link is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0ft9nxk/glastonbury-park-stage-friday

    I think everyone here are waiting for Sparks in Mosko.
  • Luckyguy1983
    Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,093
    Farooq said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    I think it will take a while before old habits die. So still plenty of fun ahead. Anyway its 1.10 here, 2.10 in Moscow and the sun will rise soon, so I should really get to bet.
    Well you're on the right site then, we sometimes forget it but there's a bit of betting interest here.
    Indeed, an autocorrect that is pretty appropriate.
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    edited June 2023
    Westie said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.

    WTF are you smoking?
    Lukashenko quite possibly stopped Putin from using nuclear weapons last year.

    He's a thug, but of a different stripe from Putin, less prone to historical dreaming about Imperial Russia , and more atuned to brute-power calculations in the present day.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    edited June 2023
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Farooq said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
    There were THREE sister ships.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Olympic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic

    Olympic actually made it intact till 1935.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Farooq said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
    There were three: Olympic (1911), Titanic (1912) and Britannic (1914).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic-class_ocean_liner
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    I think the whole of Estonia is watching this on twitter. A bit different from 1991.
  • LostPassword
    LostPassword Posts: 19,679
    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    That's Russia's problem.

    Ours is not to accept any of Putin's shit.

    And in the meantime it's better for Ukraine if Russians are fighting Russians in Russia, and not fighting Ukrainians in Ukraine.
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    Could this be the coup? OMG.
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    It’s feeling very 1991 tonight
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    edited June 2023
    numbertwelve said:

    Could this be the coup? OMG.

    Well, we're currently at Istanbul 2016 on the threat scale. More than USA 2021 but less than Egypt 2013.
  • LostPassword
    LostPassword Posts: 19,679
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    This explains the Orcas

    They used to be killer whales.
    Whoever did their re-brand deserves a medal.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZE77H3juE
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,317
    This is not good.
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    numbertwelve said:

    It’s feeling very 1991 tonight

    Yes, just what I mentioned earlier. Gorbachev on his holiday in the Crimea, as I remember it.
  • boulay
    boulay Posts: 6,612
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Farooq said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
    Like king Lear’s daughters there were three sisters, Britannic, Olympic and Titanic. Olympic was the Cordelia of the family who survived but didn’t have a great life in the end.
  • CatMan
    CatMan Posts: 3,327
    londonpubman said:

    Maybe we will have a new poster on here tomorrow morning to provide clarification on events in Russia.

    I'm waiting for @tridentsubcommander to turn up. Then you know it's really serious.
  • Westie
    Westie Posts: 426
    edited June 2023
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Westie said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.

    WTF are you smoking?
    Lukashenko quite possibly stopped Putin from using nuclear weapons last year.

    He's a thug, but of a different type from Putin, less prone to historical dreaming about Imperial Russia , and more atuned to brute-power calculations in the present day.
    They won't bring in an outsider. Putin probably (p=0.75?) won't fall in the next six months, but clearly things are changing quickly so he may. If he does and in the unlikely event the top job doesn't go to a silovik, someone like Medvedev is surely available. But it would be likely to go to a silovik. The backbone of the Russian state remains the FSB.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    CatMan said:

    londonpubman said:

    Maybe we will have a new poster on here tomorrow morning to provide clarification on events in Russia.

    I'm waiting for @tridentsubcommander to turn up. Then you know it's really serious.
    @tridentsubcommander's Test is not working - that's really serious.
  • SeaShantyIrish2
    SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Would someone please tell James Cameron to kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP!

    Right now, he's using the current tragedy to spread his name around global media more widely than SS Titanic debris field.
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Farooq said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
    There were THREE sister ships.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Olympic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic

    Olympic actually made it intact till 1935.
    This is a wonderful case of terminological exactitude

    Pedantic, in fact

    Ah, my coat, so kind

    :)
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Westie said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.

    WTF are you smoking?
    Lukashenko quite possibly stopped Putin from using nuclear weapons last year.

    He's a thug, but of a different stripe from Putin, less prone to historical dreaming about Imperial Russia , and more atuned to brute-power calculations in the present day.
    Do you have a link for that. Pretty sensational!
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    Looks like Russia may declare a state of emergency. The Army has failed to stop Wagner entering Russia, and they seem to be in at least three separate groups: One to Rostov, one to Moscow and one to Belgorod.
  • boulay
    boulay Posts: 6,612
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Would someone please tell James Cameron to kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP!

    Right now, he's using the current tragedy to spread his name around global media more widely than SS Titanic debris field.

    He’s a poster on here, uses a different name but you can spot him by his avatar.
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,331
    dixiedean said:

    This is not good.

    You ran out of popcorn?
  • Leon
    Leon Posts: 63,050
    Hmm

    "A military base is on fire in Moscow region - a video was shared on social media."

    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672368126938292225?s=20
  • SeaShantyIrish2
    SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Stuartinromford said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    Can we offer to sponsor one? Sort of like a guide dog?
    More like junkyard dog. With fleas, ticks, mange AND rabies.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    dixiedean said:

    This is not good.

    You ran out of popcorn?
    I'm sick and tired of popcorn!
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Leon said:

    Hmm

    "A military base is on fire in Moscow region - a video was shared on social media."

    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672368126938292225?s=20

    Seems like a classic opportunity to push anything for likes/views
  • Cicero
    Cicero Posts: 3,622
    edited June 2023
    Unless Putin comes out of hiding and speaks, then he may not be able to survive this. Russian social media is in meltdown.

    Update: The Russian internet seems to be being taken offline, lots of disruptions.
  • LostPassword
    LostPassword Posts: 19,679
    edited June 2023
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    dixiedean said:

    This is not good.

    You ran out of popcorn?
    Luckily we have lots of chocolate cake stored in the freezer.
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,331
    Cicero said:

    Unless Putin comes out of hiding and speaks, then he may not be able to survive this. Russian social media is in meltdown.

    Update: The Russian internet seems to be being taken offline, lots of disruptions.

    If he comes out of hiding and speaks, please let it be like Ceausescu.
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    edited June 2023
    One of Nostradamus's predictions for this time is that "a large country will break up".

    That wouldn't necessarily be a good thing, in the case of Russia, as many of us have been warning.
  • LostPassword
    LostPassword Posts: 19,679
    Cicero said:

    Unless Putin comes out of hiding and speaks, then he may not be able to survive this. Russian social media is in meltdown.

    Putin is secure enough that he doesn't need to confront this directly - his subordinates can handle it (I think). It's notable that nobody outside of Wagner has declared support, or sympathy, for Prigozhin and Wagner. The state apparatus has rallied around the status quo.

    Prigozhin is going to be crushed. The only doubt in my mind is the number of Wagner fighters who will be willing to fight for him to the end.

    But, well, I may be completely wrong.
  • ohnotnow
    ohnotnow Posts: 5,088
    Stuartinromford said:

    boulay said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    kle4 said:

    The Russians have way more faith in the British than we do in ourselves.

    Markov, Russian propagandist, calls the events of tonight "provocations of British intelligence.

    His post is translated below:

    "For the time being, I suggest to all reasonable people at work that the the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine or the Security Service of Ukraine or even the damned British intelligence attacked the Wagner PMC camps in order to provoke a conflict between the leadership of the Wagner PMC and the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense. And they succeeded. This caused an emotional reaction from the combat commanders of the PMC Wagner, who had recently withdrawn from the fighting. British intelligence provocations will not work!    "
    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672326507442700290?cxt=HHwWhIC8iaSGprUuAAAA

    Their opinion of our diabolical brilliance really is quite remarkable. If only we could turn our fiendish plotting grey matter to getting inflation below 10%.
    It’s all part of Rishi’s clever plan Lucky. Don’t be despondent- we are selling our amazing services for billions after this free advert which will allow for ginormous tax cuts before the election.
    No need for anything clever, the government is planning to fund ginormous tax cuts the usual way. Tomorrow's Times front page;



    The obvious downsides (the strikes will continue and there simply won't be enough bodies to keep services going because why would you sign up to work in the public sector at these rates) are as obvious as ever, but the government seems keen to continue ignoring them.

    But considering overruling the pay review bodies... Brave, Prime Minister. Very brave.
    You'd sign up because you care. You don't need food. You don't need a reliable roof over your head. You're part of The Big Society. Aren't you?

    You die young in the service of your nation. Daily Mail readers commend you for it. In their own way. As long as you are attractive and set up an onlyfans. JRM serves you 'Work From Office' memos while in his morning suit as he leans back in a green leather bench and demands modernisation in the public sector.

    And if you don't - you're basically a small-boat Frenchie people smuggler hell bent on stealing their buy-to-let income by betraying brexit.

    Commie.
  • Westie
    Westie Posts: 426
    edited June 2023
    Cicero said:

    Looks like Russia may declare a state of emergency. The Army has failed to stop Wagner entering Russia, and they seem to be in at least three separate groups: One to Rostov, one to Moscow and one to Belgorod.

    One of those is the odd man out.
    Prigozhin needs friends.
    Failing that, he needs a nuclear power station or leverage over one. Ain't going to happen.

    Ukrinform are just getting the story from TASS about the FSB wanting Prigozhin's arse on a plate:

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3727018-russias-fsb-opens-criminal-case-against-wagner-groups-prigozhin-over-armed-rebellion-call.html
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Remarkable how little attention this news from Russia is receiving on the news channels.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    numbertwelve said:

    Could this be the coup? OMG.

    Well, we're currently at Istanbul 2016 on the threat scale. More than USA 2021 but less than Egypt 2013.
    I would say we're not quite at Istanbul 2016 yet... Then you F16s flying over the capital, and you had the President away from the capital pleading for people to come into the streets and to fight the coup.

    Here, we don't (yet) have evidence that it's reached that stage. Yes, the Wagner group is revolting. And yes, Russia's armed forced are stretched thin. But fighting your fellow countryman to put another man in the President's chair... I don't think we're quite there yet.

    That may change in the morning. If there really are three columns of Wagner troops heading into Russia, and if a Divisional Commander or two decides that the grass may be greener on the Prizoghin side of the fence, then it could all change extremely quickly.

    But for now, it's not yet 2016 in Turkey.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    We and Ukraine are not lucky enough to see thousands of Russian troops go at it with thousands of Russian mercenaries. But it is a nice thought.
  • GarethoftheVale2
    GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,350
    tlg86 said:

    Remarkable how little attention this news from Russia is receiving on the news channels.

    Yes I've just been looking myself. The fact that it is Friday evening probably doesn't help as the all senior people will be out of the office.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Or they are just in the same place, or the decorating is standard.

  • carnforth
    carnforth Posts: 6,691
    Do you think we could persuade the french to put Putin up at Longwood House for the remainder of his natural?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    LostPassword said:

    Cicero said:

    Unless Putin comes out of hiding and speaks, then he may not be able to survive this. Russian social media is in meltdown.

    Putin is secure enough that he doesn't need to confront this directly - his subordinates can handle it (I think). It's notable that nobody outside of Wagner has declared support, or sympathy, for Prigozhin and Wagner. The state apparatus has rallied around the status quo.

    Prigozhin is going to be crushed. The only doubt in my mind is the number of Wagner fighters who will be willing to fight for him to the end.

    But, well, I may be completely wrong.
    Ah have you also backed Putin to win the next Russian election at even money ?
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202
    edited June 2023
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  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    carnforth said:

    Do you think we could persuade the french to put Putin up at Longwood House for the remainder of his natural?

    He needs to make himself Emperor to qualify.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    carnforth said:

    Do you think we could persuade the french to put Putin up at Longwood House for the remainder of his natural?

    St Helena has an airport now, it is not remote enough.

    Tristan da Cunha instead.

  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    edited June 2023
    The Russian News Agency, TASS, claims that Progozhin's statement "is equivalent to a call for a start of an armed conflict on Russian territory, and that he must refrain from such actions".

    Hmm. This doesn't altogether look too good, I think.
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