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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,799

    The FSB has called on Wagner to arrest Prigozhin and not obey any illegal orders.

    EDIT: "Uh, we mean HIS illegal orders. Obviously you can still blow up dams and shell hospitals when we tell you to."
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    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,203
    LOL
    The Prigozhin coup attempt is just an attempt to distract you from the latest Hunter Biden revelations. Don't fall for it.
    https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1672345713898921985
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321
    Rumours that Lukashenka and his family are on a plane to Moscow. He is the nominal head of the "Union State of Russia and Belarus". I think we are in a new phase of Russian politics.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,799

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,767
    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    If that's a gag, do please STFU. Not the time. Not funny - also distracting

    If it's news, do carry on
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,203
    Surovikin, Prigozhin’s supposedly ally, calls on Wagner troops not to follow Prigozhin’s orders. He knows this nutty endeavor is doomed
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1672356699422826496
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Prigozhin has a mercenary army. Maybe it has just been bought?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,799
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    If that's a gag, do please STFU. Not the time. Not funny - also distracting

    If it's news, do carry on
    The Titan, people. It's literally been in the news for days. It's obviously a joke and very silly too.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,127
    edited June 2023
    Some good candidates for Uxbridge I see.
    • Blaise Baquich, Liberal Democrat
    • Danny Beales, Labour
    • Cameron Bell, Independent
    • Count Binface, Count Binface Party
    • Piers Corbyn, Let London Live
    • Laurence Fox, Reclaim Party
    • Steve Gardner, Social Democratic Party
    • Ed Gemmell, Climate Party
    • Sarah Green, Green Party
    • Kingsley Hamilton, Independent
    • Richard Hewison, Rejoin EU
    • Howling Hope, Official Monster Raving Loony Party
    • 77 Joseph, independent
    • Rebecca Jane, UKIP
    • Enomfon Ntefon, Christian Peoples Alliance
    • Leo Phaure, Independent
    • Steve Tuckwell, Conservative Party
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66000978
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,117
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    It seems that the Britann is also sinking.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    kle4 said:

    Some good candidates for Uxbridge I see.


    • Blaise Baquich, Liberal Democrat
    • Danny Beales, Labour
    • Cameron Bell, Independent
    • Count Binface, Count Binface Party
    • Piers Corbyn, Let London Live
    • Laurence Fox, Reclaim Party
    • Steve Gardner, Social Democratic Party
    • Ed Gemmell, Climate Party
    • Sarah Green, Green Party
    • Kingsley Hamilton, Independent
    • Richard Hewison, Rejoin EU
    • Howling Hope, Official Monster Raving Loony Party
    • 77 Joseph, independent
    • Rebecca Jane, UKIP
    • Enomfon Ntefon, Christian Peoples Alliance
    • Leo Phaure, Independent
    • Steve Tuckwell, Conservative Party
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66000978
    Quite hard to tell in some instances which ones are the comedy names and which are the serious ones, innit.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,799
    Just a tip for future: I have no channel at all for breaking news. I'm not on Twitter and you can't even read Twitter properly these days without a login. If I post "breaking news" it's definitely a shit joke that I (alone) think is funny. Stand down, stand down.
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    BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 18,822
    edited June 2023
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    Very good.

    At this moment though, Poe's Law applies.
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    If that's a gag, do please STFU. Not the time. Not funny - also distracting

    If it's news, do carry on
    The Titan, people. It's literally been in the news for days. It's obviously a joke and very silly too.
    Yeah I got the reference which is why I thought it was a joke, but everything coming out of Russia is so crazy at the moment jokes seem credible.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,632
    kle4 said:

    Some good candidates for Uxbridge I see.


    • Blaise Baquich, Liberal Democrat
    • Danny Beales, Labour
    • Cameron Bell, Independent
    • Count Binface, Count Binface Party
    • Piers Corbyn, Let London Live
    • Laurence Fox, Reclaim Party
    • Steve Gardner, Social Democratic Party
    • Ed Gemmell, Climate Party
    • Sarah Green, Green Party
    • Kingsley Hamilton, Independent
    • Richard Hewison, Rejoin EU
    • Howling Hope, Official Monster Raving Loony Party
    • 77 Joseph, independent
    • Rebecca Jane, UKIP
    • Enomfon Ntefon, Christian Peoples Alliance
    • Leo Phaure, Independent
    • Steve Tuckwell, Conservative Party
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66000978
    Acland would have been a good surname for a candidate in this by-election.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,605
    Pjotr Sauer
    @PjotrSauer
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    Surovikin’a message implies that Wagner’s columns are moving somewhere

    https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,510
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    Conspiracy theorists say it is the Olympic and not the Titanic at the bottom of the Atlantic. If true, that would make Titan the poorest choice of maritime name since BoatyMcBoatface.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,127
    So, Prigozhin in a Moscow prison cell by morning, or a Ukrainian holding cell as he flees?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,767
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    If that's a gag, do please STFU. Not the time. Not funny - also distracting

    If it's news, do carry on
    The Titan, people. It's literally been in the news for days. It's obviously a joke and very silly too.
    = shut up, or make it very funny
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321
    edited June 2023
    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,799
    kle4 said:

    Some good candidates for Uxbridge I see.


    • Blaise Baquich, Liberal Democrat
    • Danny Beales, Labour
    • Cameron Bell, Independent
    • Count Binface, Count Binface Party
    • Piers Corbyn, Let London Live
    • Laurence Fox, Reclaim Party
    • Steve Gardner, Social Democratic Party
    • Ed Gemmell, Climate Party
    • Sarah Green, Green Party
    • Kingsley Hamilton, Independent
    • Richard Hewison, Rejoin EU
    • Howling Hope, Official Monster Raving Loony Party
    • 77 Joseph, independent
    • Rebecca Jane, UKIP
    • Enomfon Ntefon, Christian Peoples Alliance
    • Leo Phaure, Independent
    • Steve Tuckwell, Conservative Party
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66000978
    UKIP are still around?!
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,767
    edited June 2023
    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


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    Cicero said:

    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.

    Even if he doesn't win, the scorpions fighting each other is hardly because the "SMO" is a success.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,632

    Pjotr Sauer
    @PjotrSauer
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    Surovikin’a message implies that Wagner’s columns are moving somewhere

    https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer

    One telegram report has them on the road towards Rostov-on-Don, but no photos. The sun rises there at 04:25 there, less than four hours time. I'll expect there will be some firmer news with our breakfast tomorrow.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,605
    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,738
    Andy_JS said:

    Ex-Tory MP David Warburton blames the MeToo movement for his problems.

    "David Warburton: Ex-MP says Me Too's influence too strong"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-65985598

    Though (perhaps) unlikely hero for Me Too Movement, Mandy Rice Davies's classic retort DOES spring to mind.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,081

    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
    It's that British intelligence training. Inspired by trucks at Dover.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,799
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    If that's a gag, do please STFU. Not the time. Not funny - also distracting

    If it's news, do carry on
    The Titan, people. It's literally been in the news for days. It's obviously a joke and very silly too.
    = shut up, or make it very funny
    The idea of a Russian sub colliding with a tampon applicator and crumpling is, in my humble view, fucking hilarious.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,605
    Russia accuses Wagner chief of urging 'armed mutiny'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66005256
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,127
    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    Some good candidates for Uxbridge I see.


    • Blaise Baquich, Liberal Democrat
    • Danny Beales, Labour
    • Cameron Bell, Independent
    • Count Binface, Count Binface Party
    • Piers Corbyn, Let London Live
    • Laurence Fox, Reclaim Party
    • Steve Gardner, Social Democratic Party
    • Ed Gemmell, Climate Party
    • Sarah Green, Green Party
    • Kingsley Hamilton, Independent
    • Richard Hewison, Rejoin EU
    • Howling Hope, Official Monster Raving Loony Party
    • 77 Joseph, independent
    • Rebecca Jane, UKIP
    • Enomfon Ntefon, Christian Peoples Alliance
    • Leo Phaure, Independent
    • Steve Tuckwell, Conservative Party
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66000978
    UKIP are still around?!
    Of course, under the leadership of Neil Hamilton.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,103
    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321

    Cicero said:

    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.

    Even if he doesn't win, the scorpions fighting each other is hardly because the "SMO" is a success.
    Well quite, but that has been true since the retreat from Kyiv.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,799

    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
    If you don't control the airspace above you and you're out in the open, you spread out
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,071
    Cicero said:

    Rumours that Lukashenka and his family are on a plane to Moscow. He is the nominal head of the "Union State of Russia and Belarus". I think we are in a new phase of Russian politics.

    What???????????????????
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,738
    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    What was it, that 20th-century's answer to Boris Johnson (bite my tongue!) observed re: Lenin?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,127
    Cicero said:

    Cicero said:

    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.

    Even if he doesn't win, the scorpions fighting each other is hardly because the "SMO" is a success.
    Well quite, but that has been true since the retreat from Kyiv.
    I believe their official line is that that was all just a feint or a goodwill gesture. Right.
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    Hmm.

    If they're going to take on Putin they need to win pretty quickly.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,799
    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    Some good candidates for Uxbridge I see.


    • Blaise Baquich, Liberal Democrat
    • Danny Beales, Labour
    • Cameron Bell, Independent
    • Count Binface, Count Binface Party
    • Piers Corbyn, Let London Live
    • Laurence Fox, Reclaim Party
    • Steve Gardner, Social Democratic Party
    • Ed Gemmell, Climate Party
    • Sarah Green, Green Party
    • Kingsley Hamilton, Independent
    • Richard Hewison, Rejoin EU
    • Howling Hope, Official Monster Raving Loony Party
    • 77 Joseph, independent
    • Rebecca Jane, UKIP
    • Enomfon Ntefon, Christian Peoples Alliance
    • Leo Phaure, Independent
    • Steve Tuckwell, Conservative Party
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66000978
    UKIP are still around?!
    Of course, under the leadership of Neil Hamilton.
    Jeez, I'm feeling a warm tingle of nostalgia. It's like walkmans or videotapes or smallpox. You think they're long gone.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,864
    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
    It's that British intelligence training. Inspired by trucks at Dover.
    So all the Russians need to do is hit the front of the column and some points in between…

    If it exists.
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321
    Confirmed that troops are on the streets of Moscow.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,127
    Be funny if its revealed all the Prigozhin messages are just AI creations.

    (Less funny when similar things happen in the reverse direction)
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,767
    This explains the Orcas
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,605
    Christo Grozev
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    Replying to
    @christogrozev
    Arresting Prigozhin is no trivial job. He has an almost unparalleled Pretorian guard and his security chiefs were poached from the best FSO and FSB had on offer. And they've been preparing for this moment for months.
    Tomorrow will be an interesting day. One way or the other.
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    kle4 said:

    Cicero said:

    Cicero said:

    Tanks on the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg, also Rostov on Don

    An attempted coup is clearly underway, Hard to believe that Prigrozhin can win, but equally, the damage he can do can still be fatal to the regime in a fairly short order.

    Even if he doesn't win, the scorpions fighting each other is hardly because the "SMO" is a success.
    Well quite, but that has been true since the retreat from Kyiv.
    I believe their official line is that that was all just a feint or a goodwill gesture. Right.
    A declaration of "Mission Accomplished" and a "goodwill gesture" out of Crimea seems more likely than not by the end of this year now, I think.
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    WestieWestie Posts: 426
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    “Russian channel DONTSTOPWAR reports that a 50km long Wagner-column has crossed the Novoshakhtinskaya border checkpoint into Russia reportedly heading for Novocherkassk (towards Rostov-on-Don).

    The column itself has not yet been visually confirmed.”

    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1672353798231080961?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    50km long?

    Pretty spread out then?
    If you don't control the airspace above you and you're out in the open, you spread out
    Perhaps Prigozhin's statement about the regular forces bombing Wagner positions was false and intended to lower the likelihood of such an attack in the near future.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,127
    If Putin would like to make things very interesting by having a heart attack right now I wouldn't object.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,605

    Cicero said:

    Rumours that Lukashenka and his family are on a plane to Moscow. He is the nominal head of the "Union State of Russia and Belarus". I think we are in a new phase of Russian politics.

    What???????????????????
    Ukraine Front Lines
    @EuromaidanPR
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    The business jet of the Belarusian President Lukashenka family took off from Minsk at 00:01 a.m., - Belarusian opposition media reports.
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    boulay said:

    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    Phillip Schofield is after a new job.
    The guy who had the kids show with Gordon the Gopher? He wasn't in the closet enough to replace this guy.

    image
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,251
    Maybe we will have a new poster on here tomorrow morning to provide clarification on events in Russia.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,117
    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    And now we go over to our Moscow correspondent, Westie, do you think the above is likely?
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,470
    Cicero said:

    Confirmed that troops are on the streets of Moscow.

    Apparently they've activated the 'Fortress plan'.
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321
    Kasparov point out the need for caution, whatever happens.

    Whoever keeps control, Putin or anyone else, will be faced with threats & instability. It is vital for the free world not to offer any lifelines to murderers. We do not expect democracy and liberty to suddenly flourish, but there can be no deals with Russian war criminals.

    https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1672364498261245953?s=20
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    WestieWestie Posts: 426
    edited June 2023
    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    It's not hard to believe at all. It would be extremely likely.

    Prigozhin is f*cked, is my judgement. Kadyrov probably won't join him. This is from 3 weeks ago:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/stop-yelling-top-chechen-fighter-scolds-russias-wagner-mercenary-chief-2023-06-01/

    The big questions are what the effect will be on Russian war-fighting and diplomacy, and on Putin.
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    edited June 2023
    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.
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    Even if the "coup" fails, there has got to be a great opportunity for Ukraine to counterattack here, if drags a lot of Russian troops away from the frontline
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,605

    Jason Jay Smart
    @officejjsmart
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    CENTER OF MOSCOW NOW

    Prigozhin has called on the Russian National Guard to join his side to fight against the Russian Army.

    https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672363660834897920
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,624
    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    Boris Johnson could do better than the Daily Mail :lol:
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,053
    Off topic from Russia.
    I ain't good looking, but
    I have extremely blue eyes.
    It's got me the home run more than once.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,071
    What did Sir Alex Feguson call it? Squeaky bum time.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,693
    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    Can we offer to sponsor one? Sort of like a guide dog?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,053
    Leon said:

    This explains the Orcas

    They used to be killer whales.
    Whoever did their re-brand deserves a medal.
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,470
    This is madness. True madness. Putin being brought down by his mercenaries fucking lol.

    I can't imagine the poor bastards at the bottom of the Russian army have been much enamoured by their generals. If I was Prigozhin I'd be laying it all on the general staff too. Maybe the meat will turn out for a bit of revenge.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,127

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, from the begininng.

    He's more vulnerable at home, it's one reason I assume he has to cozy up to Putin as much as he does.
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321
    edited June 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    I think it will take a while before old habits die. So still plenty of fun ahead. Anyway its 1.10 here, 2.10 in Moscow and the sun will rise soon, so I should really get to bed.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,988
    Westie said:

    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    It's not hard to believe at all. It would be extremely likely.

    Prigozhin is f*cked, is my judgement. Kadyrov probably won't join him. This is from 3 weeks ago:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/stop-yelling-top-chechen-fighter-scolds-russias-wagner-mercenary-chief-2023-06-01/

    The big questions are what the effect will be on Russian war-fighting and diplomacy, and on Putin.
    They lose their main agent of influence in Africa, Wagner group. Unless they can kick Prigozhin out quickly and maintain Wagner structures intact that’s a big blow to control of mineral resources. Potentially an impact in Syria too.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,127

    Even if the "coup" fails, there has got to be a great opportunity for Ukraine to counterattack here, if drags a lot of Russian troops away from the frontline

    They kill Prigozhin and Putin declares this to be a sign from the heavens that the Ukrainians have repented their Nazi ways and the troops can come home.

    Sadly not, but one can dream.
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    Cicero said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    I think it will take a while before old habits die. So still plenty of fun ahead. Anyway its 1.10 here, 2.10 in Moscow and the sun will rise soon, so I should really get to bet.
    Well you're on the right site then, we sometimes forget it but there's a bit of betting interest here.
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    WestieWestie Posts: 426

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.

    WTF are you smoking?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,191
    For all those of you who want to watch Sparks at Glasto, it was on the park stage, timecode 9:15-10;15pm, and the iPlayer link is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0ft9nxk/glastonbury-park-stage-friday
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,605

    Anton Gerashchenko
    @Gerashchenko_en
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    4m
    Russian First TV channel announces an emergency news release soon.

    Will Putin address his people?
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,117
    edited June 2023
    viewcode said:

    For all those of you who want to watch Sparks at Glasto, it was on the park stage, timecode 9:15-10;15pm, and the iPlayer link is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0ft9nxk/glastonbury-park-stage-friday

    I think everyone here are waiting for Sparks in Mosko.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,685
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321

    Cicero said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    I think it will take a while before old habits die. So still plenty of fun ahead. Anyway its 1.10 here, 2.10 in Moscow and the sun will rise soon, so I should really get to bet.
    Well you're on the right site then, we sometimes forget it but there's a bit of betting interest here.
    Indeed, an autocorrect that is pretty appropriate.
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    edited June 2023
    Westie said:

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.

    WTF are you smoking?
    Lukashenko quite possibly stopped Putin from using nuclear weapons last year.

    He's a thug, but of a different stripe from Putin, less prone to historical dreaming about Imperial Russia , and more atuned to brute-power calculations in the present day.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,624
    edited June 2023

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
    There were THREE sister ships.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Olympic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic

    Olympic actually made it intact till 1935.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,928

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
    There were three: Olympic (1911), Titanic (1912) and Britannic (1914).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic-class_ocean_liner
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321
    I think the whole of Estonia is watching this on twitter. A bit different from 1991.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,632
    nico679 said:

    Problem if Putin departs the scene is that you could end up with someone worse. Hard to believe there are worse !

    That's Russia's problem.

    Ours is not to accept any of Putin's shit.

    And in the meantime it's better for Ukraine if Russians are fighting Russians in Russia, and not fighting Ukrainians in Ukraine.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,551
    Could this be the coup? OMG.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,551
    It’s feeling very 1991 tonight
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited June 2023

    Could this be the coup? OMG.

    Well, we're currently at Istanbul 2016 on the threat scale. More than USA 2021 but less than Egypt 2013.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,632
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    This explains the Orcas

    They used to be killer whales.
    Whoever did their re-brand deserves a medal.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZE77H3juE
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,053
    This is not good.
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    It’s feeling very 1991 tonight

    Yes, just what I mentioned earlier. Gorbachev on his holiday in the Crimea, as I remember it.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,117

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
    Like king Lear’s daughters there were three sisters, Britannic, Olympic and Titanic. Olympic was the Cordelia of the family who survived but didn’t have a great life in the end.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,817

    Maybe we will have a new poster on here tomorrow morning to provide clarification on events in Russia.

    I'm waiting for @tridentsubcommander to turn up. Then you know it's really serious.
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    WestieWestie Posts: 426
    edited June 2023

    Westie said:

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.

    WTF are you smoking?
    Lukashenko quite possibly stopped Putin from using nuclear weapons last year.

    He's a thug, but of a different type from Putin, less prone to historical dreaming about Imperial Russia , and more atuned to brute-power calculations in the present day.
    They won't bring in an outsider. Putin probably (p=0.75?) won't fall in the next six months, but clearly things are changing quickly so he may. If he does and in the unlikely event the top job doesn't go to a silovik, someone like Medvedev is surely available. But it would be likely to go to a silovik. The backbone of the Russian state remains the FSB.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,928
    CatMan said:

    Maybe we will have a new poster on here tomorrow morning to provide clarification on events in Russia.

    I'm waiting for @tridentsubcommander to turn up. Then you know it's really serious.
    @tridentsubcommander's Test is not working - that's really serious.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,738
    Would someone please tell James Cameron to kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP!

    Right now, he's using the current tragedy to spread his name around global media more widely than SS Titanic debris field.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,191

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Breaking news: a Russian sub has been sunk in an underwater Black Sea naval battle.
    Reports are that it had intercepted The Titan's sister sub, The Olymp. Officials at a Ukrainian monitoring station say "the crafts collided and the Russian sub just crumpled".

    Hard to tell now, is that a joke or real?
    The Titan is that Plasticine & Pritt-Stik toy that sank a few days ago

    I'm proud of the name I made up, The Olymp. The Olympic was Titanic's sister ship, see.
    I thought it was the Britannic. I don't know where I picked that up from.
    There were THREE sister ships.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMHS_Britannic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Olympic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic

    Olympic actually made it intact till 1935.
    This is a wonderful case of terminological exactitude

    Pedantic, in fact

    Ah, my coat, so kind

    :)
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,071

    Westie said:

    Lukashenko to take over wouldn't be impossible.

    He is at least more nervous of waving the nuclear willy around, despite also being a brutal thug. He's also been slightly more pragmatic than Putin on all aspects of this conflict, signalling himself as more sceptical, to various interest groups, from the beginning.

    WTF are you smoking?
    Lukashenko quite possibly stopped Putin from using nuclear weapons last year.

    He's a thug, but of a different stripe from Putin, less prone to historical dreaming about Imperial Russia , and more atuned to brute-power calculations in the present day.
    Do you have a link for that. Pretty sensational!
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,321
    Looks like Russia may declare a state of emergency. The Army has failed to stop Wagner entering Russia, and they seem to be in at least three separate groups: One to Rostov, one to Moscow and one to Belgorod.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,117

    Would someone please tell James Cameron to kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP!

    Right now, he's using the current tragedy to spread his name around global media more widely than SS Titanic debris field.

    He’s a poster on here, uses a different name but you can spot him by his avatar.
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    dixiedean said:

    This is not good.

    You ran out of popcorn?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,767
    Hmm

    "A military base is on fire in Moscow region - a video was shared on social media."

    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672368126938292225?s=20
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,738

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys:

    Will Prigozhin keep funding the troll armies? What will PB become if shorn of vaccine sceptics who wish Ukraine would do itself a favor and just give in?

    Can we offer to sponsor one? Sort of like a guide dog?
    More like junkyard dog. With fleas, ticks, mange AND rabies.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,624

    dixiedean said:

    This is not good.

    You ran out of popcorn?
    I'm sick and tired of popcorn!
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Leon said:

    Hmm

    "A military base is on fire in Moscow region - a video was shared on social media."

    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672368126938292225?s=20

    Seems like a classic opportunity to push anything for likes/views
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