The Archbishop’s attack on the small boats plan makes several front pages – politicalbetting.com
The Archbishop’s attack on the small boats plan makes several front pages – politicalbetting.com
The big question over the Archbichop’s attack on Sunak’s small boats clampdown is whether it impacts public opinion and is likely to encourage other opponents of to step up their opposition.
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First. This is a worldwide problem and that "nice" Mr Biden seems to be adopting a similar approach https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-655528771
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It won't make any difference to public opinion.
Sunak's problem is that he can't deliver.3 -
I'm with Sunak on this one.
This is an elephant trap for Labour
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Those who are against Sunak offer no solution bar let them continue to arrive. That is unsustainable0
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The Sunak "solution" is to let people arrive in ever larger numbers. That is truly unsustainable - his remaining pro-Gollywog voters demand deportations and then no more boats. And he is failing massively.squareroot2 said:Those who are against Sunak offer no solution bar let them continue to arrive. That is unsustainable
The failure isn't the fault of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Or woke leftie lawyers. Or judges. It's that the policy is written in crayon, they have nowhere to intern migrants who arrive, no means to legally deport them and nowhere to deport them to. Apart from that it's golden...5 -
Good morning, everyone.
What's the Archbishop's alternative?1 -
Matthew 31:Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
What's the Archbishop's alternative?
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’6 -
Dr. Foxy, using a religious text as the basis of law is not an approach I can support.
I'd also add that France is not a nuclear wasteland or realm at war.
If Labour want to adopt that angle it would help the Conservatives come the election.2 -
Follow our own laws?Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
What's the Archbishop's alternative?
Which Braverman has admitted we’re breaking?2 -
Mr. Doethur, fortunately, one can hold the view that Braverman is an incompetent with contempt for law, and that the Archbishop's perspective is hopelessly naive.0
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I am not convinced it is hopelessly naive to point out that on the Home Secretary’s own admission her actions are illegal.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Doethur, fortunately, one can hold the view that Braverman is an incompetent with contempt for law, and that the Archbishop's perspective is hopelessly naive.
The Archbishop did go beyond that, of course, but he in practice said nothing Cameron didn’t.
The irony of the Rwanda scheme and this extension of it is that it amounts to people smuggling, which is what the law is meant to discourage!4 -
People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.3
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It's appalling but I'm probably in a minority. Especially my view that with chronic labour shortages across many sectors the answer to get Britain's economy booming is, er, migration.
Come the GE I doubt this kind of thing will really impact on voting much though.
Events like today's interest rate rise, whilst small in itself, are the vote losers. The pinch is being felt by everyone except a few, who seem to be represented on here I note! And one or two who have mocked my flask filling from a kettle might like to hear that my entire monthly utility bill is now £45. Frugality pays.1 -
Personally I think we should welcome them in and put them to work.2
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And how about?ydoethur said:
Follow our own laws?Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
What's the Archbishop's alternative?
Which Braverman has admitted we’re breaking?
Allow legal migration routes. No need for boat if you can fly or ferry.
Heavy investment in Home Office staff and systems - process refugee claims in weeks instead of years.
Heavy investment in the legal system - have the courts able to swiftly process deportations where required.
Persecute traffickers - cross border criminal investigation to nick the traffickers and their equipment.
Tell the truth - how much cash asylum seekers get (£0), how many we take Vs France or anywhere else (few) etc
Treat people humanely. We have had a flood of Afghans coming via boats. They worked for us, we abandoned them, we don't offer any legal route to get here.
Incidentally Labour have proposed so much of that, yet Tories insist they have no plan. Because apparently only the Tory crayon plan is a plan. Except as it can't even be implemented that truly isn't a plan.
But hey, "what's the alternative?"5 -
It is indeed a trap for Starmer, but 'elephant' is hyperbole.
It would be risky but Starmer could usefully point to the utter disaster of Brexit and the loss of key employees in the entertainment industry (where it is disastrous), the NHS (not much better), and food supplies (ditto).
We NEED workers!!!! And you're not going to get a 55 yr old white collar worker out of early retirement to go and pull up potatoes in a muddy Lincolnshire field on a freezing February morning.3 -
Those headlines don't of course engage with anything that the archbishop actually said.3
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Their solution is to stop them arriving by letting as many as wish to arrive by plane instead.squareroot2 said:Those who are against Sunak offer no solution bar let them continue to arrive. That is unsustainable
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At risk of being pedantic, you don’t get *anyone* to harvest potatoes on a freezing February morning. They usually ripen for about June, although it may be later.Heathener said:It is indeed a trap for Starmer, but 'elephant' is hyperbole.
It would be risky but Starmer could usefully point to the utter disaster of Brexit and the loss of key employees in the entertainment industry (where it is disastrous), the NHS (not much better), and food supplies (ditto).
We NEED workers!!!! And you're not going to get a 55 yr old white collar worker out of early retirement to go and pull up potatoes in a muddy Lincolnshire field on a freezing February morning.2 -
That's what I'd like to happen, and in exchange we take a proportion of those in France to a quota we agree (and only the most vulnerable) and in exchange we use our navy and border forces to help France secure theirs.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
But, it requires Macron's cooperation and is probably politically difficult with Le Pen breathing down his neck.0 -
You mean the pro-Gollywog set who still vote Tory. They might think that.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
People - actual conscious humane thinking people - wonder why we're so angry that the Afghans we abandoned are coming here via boats when there is no legal route to do so.
The tragedy of the recent political period has been the weaponisation of cruelty and ignorance. Happily, as last week showed, that spell is being lifted. For most.2 -
Your statement assumes this law is a "solution" ?squareroot2 said:Those who are against Sunak offer no solution bar let them continue to arrive. That is unsustainable
If something makes things a situation worse there's always an alternative of not doing it.
By the way I don't think even the authors of the law expect it to work. Its only purpose is political.expediency.2 -
Whilst simultaneously being some of the most vocal NIMBYs when it comes to building more houses.Casino_Royale said:
Their solution is to stop them arriving by letting as many as wish to arrive by plane instead.squareroot2 said:Those who are against Sunak offer no solution bar let them continue to arrive. That is unsustainable
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Using the Bible as text is perhaps reasonable to expect of the Archbishop.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, using a religious text as the basis of law is not an approach I can support.
I'd also add that France is not a nuclear wasteland or realm at war.
If Labour want to adopt that angle it would help the Conservatives come the election.1 -
Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh3
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I used to think that but the trouble is that the Conservative record is so poor that it's difficult to play that card. As long as Labour get the rhetoric right (and that means dropping "safe and legal routes", which everyone knows means open door) they can just say they'd do better because reasons.Pulpstar said:I'm with Sunak on this one.
This is an elephant trap for Labour
It won't attract any more votes to them. The problem for the Conservatives is that it hugely depresses their core vote.0 -
Anyway, there is something fascinating about people who claim to be Christians and to have the moral high ground being berated by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
It is a sensational anachronism that we have the House of Lords at all, never mind having the state bishop getting to speak and legislate. Bonkers in 2023.
But legislate he will - he is going to submit amendments! The "Conservative Party at Prayer" denouncing the party as wholly immortal.
We had fuck business. I guess this is fuck God. But as long as we keep the gollywog fans on board it's all good, yes?1 -
That's objective number one.Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
I think it should be by year end, I think. I then expect something dramatically Tory on tax (maybe abolishing inheritance tax entirely?) to shift the dial. Houses have been hit and houses is where they need to recover.
It's a good move. It will rally votes of those in their 40s and 50s and Labour/the Left more broadly will go absolutely ape-shit over it, particularly when Paul Johnson in the IFS goes all green pen over it to validate that.0 -
France is a failed state, you cannot blame people for fleeing to the UK.
In the UK we make non white people our Prime Ministers/First Ministers/Mayors, in France they beat them.
If Sunak were smart he’d say it was because of Brexit Britain that immigrants want to come here instead of the EU.
Anyhoo, disestablishment now.1 -
To be fair, neither Sunak nor Braverman have ever claimed to be Christians.RochdalePioneers said:Anyway, there is something fascinating about people who claim to be Christians and to have the moral high ground being berated by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
It is a sensational anachronism that we have the House of Lords at all, never mind having the state bishop getting to speak and legislate. Bonkers in 2023.
But legislate he will - he is going to submit amendments! The "Conservative Party at Prayer" denouncing the party as wholly immortal.
We had fuck business. I guess this is fuck God. But as long as we keep the gollywog fans on board it's all good, yes?
But how a Buddhist could put forward any of Braverman’s policies is beyond me. She seems to have got the whole notion of ahimsa not just wrong but backwards.0 -
Let them eat goat?Foxy said:
Matthew 31:Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
What's the Archbishop's alternative?
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’1 -
I am currently (trying) to do business with the big client's french team. Life in France:TheScreamingEagles said:France is a failed state, you cannot blame people for fleeing to the UK.
In the UK we make non white people our Prime Ministers/First Ministers/Mayors, in France they beat them.
If Sunak were smart he’d say it was because of Brexit Britain that immigrants want to come here instead of the EU.
Anyhoo, disestablishment now.
Customer last
Bureaucracy first
Non, what was the question?
Active mockery then fear at proposed solutions which do not require the army of pen pushers they employ
The new trading model I am building for them will bypass the fuckers for pretty much everything. Including sourcing product from alternative teams elsewhere in Europe who are not actively trying to scuttle our efforts.1 -
The French have some oil. And we know what happens to failed states with oil, don’t we, children?TheScreamingEagles said:France is a failed state, you cannot blame people for fleeing to the UK.
In the UK we make non white people our Prime Ministers/First Ministers/Mayors, in France they beat them.
If Sunak were smart he’d say it was because of Brexit Britain that immigrants want to come here instead of the EU.
Anyhoo, disestablishment now.0 -
Can we raise the debate above the level of "pro-Gollywog set" please?RochdalePioneers said:
You mean the pro-Gollywog set who still vote Tory. They might think that.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
People - actual conscious humane thinking people - wonder why we're so angry that the Afghans we abandoned are coming here via boats when there is no legal route to do so.
The tragedy of the recent political period has been the weaponisation of cruelty and ignorance. Happily, as last week showed, that spell is being lifted. For most.
We're better than that.3 -
The trouble is is that the Bible says all sorts of things that are either unworkable (give everything you have to the poor) or things that are inappropriate in todays world.Foxy said:
Using the Bible as text is perhaps reasonable to expect of the Archbishop.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, using a religious text as the basis of law is not an approach I can support.
I'd also add that France is not a nuclear wasteland or realm at war.
If Labour want to adopt that angle it would help the Conservatives come the election.
One tries to live a decent, Christian life, but following the bible to the letter is not possible.0 -
Some of the recent supermarket price increases have been jaw-dropping.Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
Sorry to go all domestic on here but it kind-of really matters to those of us doing the weekly shop.
I believe that the headline inflation rate may drop off but largely because last year's energy price leap and fuel will come out of the annual figure. It's the grocery increases that I can't quite believe.1 -
Aside from the foolishness of harvesting your potatoes in Feb, potato picking can be automated. And should be.Heathener said:It is indeed a trap for Starmer, but 'elephant' is hyperbole.
It would be risky but Starmer could usefully point to the utter disaster of Brexit and the loss of key employees in the entertainment industry (where it is disastrous), the NHS (not much better), and food supplies (ditto).
We NEED workers!!!! And you're not going to get a 55 yr old white collar worker out of early retirement to go and pull up potatoes in a muddy Lincolnshire field on a freezing February morning.
https://www.carlotti-g.it/?lang=en&gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwge2iBhBBEiwAfXDBR-MCJQeWoWL_c_TXvhSQIGcx3J2mIhhFc__sR1HLRRLK10BXwVcG5xoCLvwQAvD_BwE
Unless you really need to see people sweating in fields for next to no money?2 -
If only people could just live, decent Christian lives and forget about all that old rubbish in the Bible.squareroot2 said:
The trouble is is that the Bible says all sorts of things that are either unworkable (give everything you have to the poor) or things that are inappropriate in todays world.Foxy said:
Using the Bible as text is perhaps reasonable to expect of the Archbishop.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, using a religious text as the basis of law is not an approach I can support.
I'd also add that France is not a nuclear wasteland or realm at war.
If Labour want to adopt that angle it would help the Conservatives come the election.
One tries to live a decent, Christian life, but following the bible to the letter is not possible.4 -
My experience varies. I’m off to visit a French client today, and they’re very good at making decisions and getting on with it. Others are as you describe.RochdalePioneers said:
I am currently (trying) to do business with the big client's french team. Life in France:TheScreamingEagles said:France is a failed state, you cannot blame people for fleeing to the UK.
In the UK we make non white people our Prime Ministers/First Ministers/Mayors, in France they beat them.
If Sunak were smart he’d say it was because of Brexit Britain that immigrants want to come here instead of the EU.
Anyhoo, disestablishment now.
Customer last
Bureaucracy first
Non, what was the question?
Active mockery then fear at proposed solutions which do not require the army of pen pushers they employ
The new trading model I am building for them will bypass the fuckers for pretty much everything. Including sourcing product from alternative teams elsewhere in Europe who are not actively trying to scuttle our efforts.
My British clients affected by change tend either to be commercially minded and helpful, or champion whingers. The Brits are very good at whingeing. What they never actually achieve is meaningfully obstructing change. They moan loudly but then just roll over. Some of the Europeans are much better that obstructing projects.
I also build new trading models for companies, maybe we do a similar job.
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We're really not. Braverman's team told the press that she had berated Essicks police for going after the racist pub. This so alarmed the civil service that they also approached the polis to apologise. Turns out no such berating had happened .Casino_Royale said:
Can we raise the debate above the level of "pro-Gollywog set" please?RochdalePioneers said:
You mean the pro-Gollywog set who still vote Tory. They might think that.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
People - actual conscious humane thinking people - wonder why we're so angry that the Afghans we abandoned are coming here via boats when there is no legal route to do so.
The tragedy of the recent political period has been the weaponisation of cruelty and ignorance. Happily, as last week showed, that spell is being lifted. For most.
We're better than that.
So why did Braverman's team put that out? Because going after Golliwogs was upsetting their voters. In saying "pro-Gollywog voters" I am merely reporting what the actual Conservative Party actually thinks and does.
I don't like the fact they are racist any more than you do. But the racists vote Tory and the racist Braverman is perfectly happy to pander to them.1 -
You are clearly very naive. Yes, we need workers in fields. Many of them.Malmesbury said:Heathener said:It is indeed a trap for Starmer, but 'elephant' is hyperbole.
It would be risky but Starmer could usefully point to the utter disaster of Brexit and the loss of key employees in the entertainment industry (where it is disastrous), the NHS (not much better), and food supplies (ditto).
We NEED workers!!!! And you're not going to get a 55 yr old white collar worker out of early retirement to go and pull up potatoes in a muddy Lincolnshire field on a freezing February morning.
Unless you really need to see people sweating in fields for next to no money?
We also need waiters and waitresses: many of them. Robots at table may be cute at PingPong Southbank but don't quite fulfil the brief.
And we're yet to get an automatom to fulfil triage, take your blood, or stick a finger up your backside ... although one or two insalubrious venues might beg to differ.
We need workers, in the fields, waiting at tables, and nursing our sick.1 -
The government are wide open on this topic, and Welby’s intervention is helpful for Labour. They can leave him to do the humanitarian appeals (which will certainly influence some), while they highlight the manifold practical failures of Tory migration and asylum policy. Collapsed processing capacity and backlogs, poor coordination with France, no legal routes for people who worked for the UK in Afghanistan, no housing etc.
It’s a failure whether you come at it from a liberal or anti-immigration standpoint. Like Brexit it can quite easily be attacked now from both right and left.0 -
Believe me I feel your pain. Have never seen anything like the current surge in cost prices and I've been doing this for 20+ years.Heathener said:
Some of the recent supermarket price increases have been jaw-dropping.Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
Sorry to go all domestic on here but it kind-of really matters to those of us doing the weekly shop.
I believe that the headline inflation rate may drop off but largely because last year's energy price leap and fuel will come out of the annual figure. It's the grocery increases that I can't quite believe.
It does make life difficult for us too. Getting any cost increases agreed is hard, even now that there have been many. But you can go from still making a reasonable profit to a loss in just a few months...2 -
Do you understand why the UK doesn't do that? Namely that there is no "first safe country" rule and that if the UK took its fair share, it would take more people than it does right nowSandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
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I don't mean this to sound offensive but I've been struck recently at how out of touch a small handful of people on here are. They happen to represent views to the right. Some might say far right.
It's one of many reasons why I know the Conservatives will lose the next election, because I witnessed exactly the same phenomenon in the run up to 1997.
It also incidentally happened in the run up to Brexit when I made a lot of money correctly predicting the result. I was working at the time in the kind of run-down area that the Metropolitan elite had forgotten about. They were out of touch with the pulse of the people who would ultimately decide their fate.
You have lost touch with the mood of the people.
Bye bye tories.2 -
Since we need lots of cheap workers to get agricultural stuff rolling, may I suggest the following.
We take Russian prisoners of war off the Ukrainians. They owe us after all.
Under Geneva etc, the tankers can be made to work. You are supposed to pay them, but stuff gets forgotten…
We can house them in sheds on the farms the way the Romans did.
Thoughts?0 -
In case you haven’t noticed, the U.K. has a long running productivity problem going back multiple decades.Heathener said:
You are clearly very naive. Yes, we need workers in fields. Many of them.Malmesbury said:Heathener said:It is indeed a trap for Starmer, but 'elephant' is hyperbole.
It would be risky but Starmer could usefully point to the utter disaster of Brexit and the loss of key employees in the entertainment industry (where it is disastrous), the NHS (not much better), and food supplies (ditto).
We NEED workers!!!! And you're not going to get a 55 yr old white collar worker out of early retirement to go and pull up potatoes in a muddy Lincolnshire field on a freezing February morning.
Unless you really need to see people sweating in fields for next to no money?
We also need waiters and waitresses: many of them. Robots at table may be cute at PingPong Southbank but don't quite fulfil the brief.
And we're yet to get an automatom to fulfil triage, take your blood, or stick a finger up your backside ... although one or two insalubrious venues might beg to differ.
We need workers, in the fields, waiting at tables, and nursing our sick.
Automation provides the increase in wealth that supports better jobs. Grubbing up potatoes is 18th cent stuff.
The agricultural revolution is what enabled us to have an NHS in the first place.1 -
Inflation will not return to the Bank of England’s 2 per cent target until late 2025, according to a new forecast which warns that interest rates risk being “higher for longer”.Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, one of the country’s oldest independent think tanks, expects the current double-digit rate of inflation to fall to 5.4 per cent by the end of the year, falling short of the government’s aim to halve the headline rate of consumer price growth this year. The think tank’s forecast is also above the 3.9 per cent inflation rate the Bank expected for the end of the year in its last projections made in February.
The institute said inflation would only fall to the Bank’s 2 per cent target in the third quarter of 2025. That makes it more pessimistic than the Bank and the Office for Budget Responsibility, who think price growth will fall rapidly in the coming months.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/forecast-of-two-year-wait-before-bank-s-target-is-met-0fmvnw6jw0 -
We all have our moments of inflation revelation, £3+ for a bit of cheese in Aldi a couple of days ago! I estimate that’s around a 50% rise in 12 months. I assume it will never go back down and may yet still rise significantly.RochdalePioneers said:
Believe me I feel your pain. Have never seen anything like the current surge in cost prices and I've been doing this for 20+ years.Heathener said:
Some of the recent supermarket price increases have been jaw-dropping.Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
Sorry to go all domestic on here but it kind-of really matters to those of us doing the weekly shop.
I believe that the headline inflation rate may drop off but largely because last year's energy price leap and fuel will come out of the annual figure. It's the grocery increases that I can't quite believe.
It does make life difficult for us too. Getting any cost increases agreed is hard, even now that there have been many. But you can go from still making a reasonable profit to a loss in just a few months...2 -
I suppose the political question is whether the Conservative Party is happy to pick a fight with the archbishop or are trying to shut him up.0
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They have suggested centres in France to filter the economic migrants from genuine refugees.squareroot2 said:Those who are against Sunak offer no solution bar let them continue to arrive. That is unsustainable
The Rwanda nonsense is a particularly stupid, expensive and immoral soundbite. It is not an answer, it just throws red meat to bigots. If that is the driver for government policy over practically, I guess it works.
Anyway we can't afford such expensive trifles
as Rwanda when we have a £245,000 legal bill to pay for a national treasure's defence against his Partygate travails.0 -
At least we don't silence Archbishops of Canterbury the way we silenced Thomas Beckett.FF43 said:I suppose the political question is whether the Conservative Party is happy to pick a fight with the archbishop or are trying to shut him up.
#Progress0 -
The collapse in processing asylum claims within 6 months of arrival is quite dramatic.TimS said:The government are wide open on this topic, and Welby’s intervention is helpful for Labour. They can leave him to do the humanitarian appeals (which will certainly influence some), while they highlight the manifold practical failures of Tory migration and asylum policy. Collapsed processing capacity and backlogs, poor coordination with France, no legal routes for people who worked for the UK in Afghanistan, no housing etc.
It’s a failure whether you come at it from a liberal or anti-immigration standpoint. Like Brexit it can quite easily be attacked now from both right and left.
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I have noticed quite a few price reductions at Aldi in recent weeks, and have been surprised that these haven't received more attention.Theuniondivvie said:
We all have our moments of inflation revelation, £3+ for a bit of cheese in Aldi a couple of days ago! I estimate that’s around a 50% rise in 12 months. I assume it will never go back down and may yet still rise significantly.RochdalePioneers said:
Believe me I feel your pain. Have never seen anything like the current surge in cost prices and I've been doing this for 20+ years.Heathener said:
Some of the recent supermarket price increases have been jaw-dropping.Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
Sorry to go all domestic on here but it kind-of really matters to those of us doing the weekly shop.
I believe that the headline inflation rate may drop off but largely because last year's energy price leap and fuel will come out of the annual figure. It's the grocery increases that I can't quite believe.
It does make life difficult for us too. Getting any cost increases agreed is hard, even now that there have been many. But you can go from still making a reasonable profit to a loss in just a few months...0 -
REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.0 -
Getting inflation under control is clearly necessary, and should happen specifically because it has nothing to do with Sunak. Even Corbyn would manage this.Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
The remaining problem, and this isn't a partisan issue either, is it bakes in high prices for both food and fuel compared with people's stagnating incomes and compared with before. Combined with already high mortgages and rents all the basics are now less affordable and we're feeling a lot poorer.0 -
Not from.me. I go to Lidl...Gadfly said:
I have noticed quite a few price reductions at Aldi in recent weeks, and have been surprised that these haven't received more attention.Theuniondivvie said:
We all have our moments of inflation revelation, £3+ for a bit of cheese in Aldi a couple of days ago! I estimate that’s around a 50% rise in 12 months. I assume it will never go back down and may yet still rise significantly.RochdalePioneers said:
Believe me I feel your pain. Have never seen anything like the current surge in cost prices and I've been doing this for 20+ years.Heathener said:
Some of the recent supermarket price increases have been jaw-dropping.Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
Sorry to go all domestic on here but it kind-of really matters to those of us doing the weekly shop.
I believe that the headline inflation rate may drop off but largely because last year's energy price leap and fuel will come out of the annual figure. It's the grocery increases that I can't quite believe.
It does make life difficult for us too. Getting any cost increases agreed is hard, even now that there have been many. But you can go from still making a reasonable profit to a loss in just a few months...0 -
The Triratnas are a bit of a strange outlier tbf.ydoethur said:
To be fair, neither Sunak nor Braverman have ever claimed to be Christians.RochdalePioneers said:Anyway, there is something fascinating about people who claim to be Christians and to have the moral high ground being berated by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
It is a sensational anachronism that we have the House of Lords at all, never mind having the state bishop getting to speak and legislate. Bonkers in 2023.
But legislate he will - he is going to submit amendments! The "Conservative Party at Prayer" denouncing the party as wholly immortal.
We had fuck business. I guess this is fuck God. But as long as we keep the gollywog fans on board it's all good, yes?
But how a Buddhist could put forward any of Braverman’s policies is beyond me. She seems to have got the whole notion of ahimsa not just wrong but backwards.
They have no lineage. What they do have is tainted by scandal.
And a solid lineage is key.0 -
That doesn't necessarily provide an instant solution. So many of the fubars were explicit instructions from DfT overlords. Almost none of the remaining private sector operators are actually independent.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.2 -
Yeah, the government needs to smash the unions.RochdalePioneers said:
That doesn't necessarily provide an instant solution. So many of the fubars were explicit instructions from DfT overlords. Almost none of the remaining private sector operators are actually independent.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.0 -
Some say "love your neighbour" but in the revised version by MTG it is translated as "shoot your neighbour".Chris said:
If only people could just live, decent Christian lives and forget about all that old rubbish in the Bible.squareroot2 said:
The trouble is is that the Bible says all sorts of things that are either unworkable (give everything you have to the poor) or things that are inappropriate in todays world.Foxy said:
Using the Bible as text is perhaps reasonable to expect of the Archbishop.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, using a religious text as the basis of law is not an approach I can support.
I'd also add that France is not a nuclear wasteland or realm at war.
If Labour want to adopt that angle it would help the Conservatives come the election.
One tries to live a decent, Christian life, but following the bible to the letter is not possible.0 -
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Incidentally I see Adam Price has finally done the decent thing after exploring all other options.
If Rhun ap Iorwerth stands I will be very surprised indeed if he doesn't win.0 -
Except the government's asylum plans aren't even throwing red meat, more a rubbery meat substitute. Or perhaps venison. And we know how that's likely to end up.Mexicanpete said:
They have suggested centres in France to filter the economic migrants from genuine refugees.squareroot2 said:Those who are against Sunak offer no solution bar let them continue to arrive. That is unsustainable
The Rwanda nonsense is a particularly stupid, expensive and immoral soundbite. It is not an answer, it just throws red meat to bigots. If that is the driver for government policy over practically, I guess it works.
Anyway we can't afford such expensive trifles
as Rwanda when we have a £245,000 legal bill to pay for a national treasure's defence against his Partygate travails.
There are two possible endpoints for the Rwanda caper. Either it will turn out to be legally impossible to deport people, or the Rwanda centre will fill up in about a week and the Rwandans (who aren't fools) will say they don't have space for any more just now.
Incidentally, the bit about the Home Secretary having a legal duty to deport people after 28 days... What happens if she fails in that duty?0 -
The bad news - it's this government's control.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control...3 -
They have 60k salaries, lots of leave, minimal hours and still take more than 30 sick days a year on average compared to the national average of 5.6 days.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
That is not a happy ship. And it won't really be about the money.0 -
What on earth was the Saj up to?Foxy said:
The collapse in processing asylum claims within 6 months of arrival is quite dramatic.TimS said:The government are wide open on this topic, and Welby’s intervention is helpful for Labour. They can leave him to do the humanitarian appeals (which will certainly influence some), while they highlight the manifold practical failures of Tory migration and asylum policy. Collapsed processing capacity and backlogs, poor coordination with France, no legal routes for people who worked for the UK in Afghanistan, no housing etc.
It’s a failure whether you come at it from a liberal or anti-immigration standpoint. Like Brexit it can quite easily be attacked now from both right and left.0 -
Or the massed Republican activists applauding the sex abuser on CNN last night.Foxy said:
Some say "love your neighbour" but in the revised version by MTG it is translated as "shoot your neighbour".Chris said:
If only people could just live, decent Christian lives and forget about all that old rubbish in the Bible.squareroot2 said:
The trouble is is that the Bible says all sorts of things that are either unworkable (give everything you have to the poor) or things that are inappropriate in todays world.Foxy said:
Using the Bible as text is perhaps reasonable to expect of the Archbishop.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, using a religious text as the basis of law is not an approach I can support.
I'd also add that France is not a nuclear wasteland or realm at war.
If Labour want to adopt that angle it would help the Conservatives come the election.
One tries to live a decent, Christian life, but following the bible to the letter is not possible.0 -
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I might be able to tolerate a tiresome bot for the next 18 months but, unfortunately, you couple it with ad hominum to anyone who posts better analysis than you and deliver unequivocal advice to "bet accordingly", which could lose people a lot of money.Heathener said:I don't mean this to sound offensive but I've been struck recently at how out of touch a small handful of people on here are. They happen to represent views to the right. Some might say far right.
It's one of many reasons why I know the Conservatives will lose the next election, because I witnessed exactly the same phenomenon in the run up to 1997.
It also incidentally happened in the run up to Brexit when I made a lot of money correctly predicting the result. I was working at the time in the kind of run-down area that the Metropolitan elite had forgotten about. They were out of touch with the pulse of the people who would ultimately decide their fate.
You have lost touch with the mood of the people.
Bye bye tories.
Unforgivable on a betting site. I hope you continue to be ignored.1 -
How long will it be relevant to point to the front pages of the print newspapers to indicate how a story is being driven/developed? Newspapers these days are designed to further the debate surrounding the news people got the day before online or (decreasingly) on TV, but on that basis you could equally discuss what was trending on social media.1
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Note the collapse got going big time, well before the pandemic.TimS said:
What on earth was the Saj up to?Foxy said:
The collapse in processing asylum claims within 6 months of arrival is quite dramatic.TimS said:The government are wide open on this topic, and Welby’s intervention is helpful for Labour. They can leave him to do the humanitarian appeals (which will certainly influence some), while they highlight the manifold practical failures of Tory migration and asylum policy. Collapsed processing capacity and backlogs, poor coordination with France, no legal routes for people who worked for the UK in Afghanistan, no housing etc.
It’s a failure whether you come at it from a liberal or anti-immigration standpoint. Like Brexit it can quite easily be attacked now from both right and left.0 -
..Chris said:
If only people could just live, decent Christian lives and forget about all that old rubbish in the Bible.squareroot2 said:
The trouble is is that the Bible says all sorts of things that are either unworkable (give everything you have to the poor) or things that are inappropriate in todays world.Foxy said:
Using the Bible as text is perhaps reasonable to expect of the Archbishop.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, using a religious text as the basis of law is not an approach I can support.
I'd also add that France is not a nuclear wasteland or realm at war.
If Labour want to adopt that angle it would help the Conservatives come the election.
One tries to live a decent, Christian life, but following the bible to the letter is not possible.0 -
Who do? And what’s this got to do with the nationalisation of TPE? AFAIU it’s just a shit organisation, and those exist whatever the salary.Casino_Royale said:
They have 60k salaries, lots of leave, minimal hours and still take more than 30 sick days a year on average compared to the national average of 5.6 days.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
That is not a happy ship. And it won't really be about the money.0 -
Who also run LNER which is always full and rather profitable (don't know exactly how much but it's a stick I know they beat Aventi West Coast with all the time).Nigelb said:
The bad news - it's this government's control.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control...0 -
Liz Truss’s plan to visit Taiwan called ‘worst kind of Instagram diplomacy’
Alicia Kearns, foreign affairs select committee chair, launches blistering attack on former prime minister
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/11/liz-trusss-taiwan-visit-called-instagram-diplomacy-alicia-kearns-foreign-affairs-select-committee-chair
Truss's rebuttal - that she's going at the invitation of the Taiwanese - is (unlike most of her political history) not unreasonable.
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Remember Saj took over because of the Windrush scandal.TimS said:
What on earth was the Saj up to?Foxy said:
The collapse in processing asylum claims within 6 months of arrival is quite dramatic.TimS said:The government are wide open on this topic, and Welby’s intervention is helpful for Labour. They can leave him to do the humanitarian appeals (which will certainly influence some), while they highlight the manifold practical failures of Tory migration and asylum policy. Collapsed processing capacity and backlogs, poor coordination with France, no legal routes for people who worked for the UK in Afghanistan, no housing etc.
It’s a failure whether you come at it from a liberal or anti-immigration standpoint. Like Brexit it can quite easily be attacked now from both right and left.
There was a review which led to delays.0 -
How does that solve the DfT fucktard overlords problem?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, the government needs to smash the unions.RochdalePioneers said:
That doesn't necessarily provide an instant solution. So many of the fubars were explicit instructions from DfT overlords. Almost none of the remaining private sector operators are actually independent.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.0 -
It will help.RochdalePioneers said:
How does that solve the DfT fucktard overlords problem?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, the government needs to smash the unions.RochdalePioneers said:
That doesn't necessarily provide an instant solution. So many of the fubars were explicit instructions from DfT overlords. Almost none of the remaining private sector operators are actually independent.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
As a frequent TPE user, I know how to solve this.0 -
IIRC, the predecessors to LNER was also profitable on services. It's just that, in order to get the franchise, they promised to give far too much back to the government.eek said:
Who also run LNER which is always full and rather profitable (don't know exactly how much but it's a stick I know they beat Aventi West Coast with all the time).Nigelb said:
The bad news - it's this government's control.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control...1 -
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The train drivers. TPE has a whole clearly has wider issues as a company, but sick leave is high in others too.DougSeal said:
Who do? And what’s this got to do with the nationalisation of TPE? AFAIU it’s just a shit organisation, and those exist whatever the salary.Casino_Royale said:
They have 60k salaries, lots of leave, minimal hours and still take more than 30 sick days a year on average compared to the national average of 5.6 days.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
That is not a happy ship. And it won't really be about the money.
Personally I think job satisfaction and recognition is a core component of happy staff and that's born out in low sick days. Pay is a hygiene factor.1 -
Go by car?TheScreamingEagles said:
It will help.RochdalePioneers said:
How does that solve the DfT fucktard overlords problem?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, the government needs to smash the unions.RochdalePioneers said:
That doesn't necessarily provide an instant solution. So many of the fubars were explicit instructions from DfT overlords. Almost none of the remaining private sector operators are actually independent.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
As a frequent TPE user, I know how to solve this.0 -
The Royal Navy can't secure the British border (because no politician has the guts to order tow backs) so why are they going to be able to secure the French border?Casino_Royale said:
That's what I'd like to happen, and in exchange we take a proportion of those in France to a quota we agree (and only the most vulnerable) and in exchange we use our navy and border forces to help France secure theirs.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
But, it requires Macron's cooperation and is probably politically difficult with Le Pen breathing down his neck.0 -
A splenetic post full of bigotry and prejudice that diminishes you. It is also potentially defamatory.RochdalePioneers said:
We're really not. Braverman's team told the press that she had berated Essicks police for going after the racist pub. This so alarmed the civil service that they also approached the polis to apologise. Turns out no such berating had happened .Casino_Royale said:
Can we raise the debate above the level of "pro-Gollywog set" please?RochdalePioneers said:
You mean the pro-Gollywog set who still vote Tory. They might think that.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
People - actual conscious humane thinking people - wonder why we're so angry that the Afghans we abandoned are coming here via boats when there is no legal route to do so.
The tragedy of the recent political period has been the weaponisation of cruelty and ignorance. Happily, as last week showed, that spell is being lifted. For most.
We're better than that.
So why did Braverman's team put that out? Because going after Golliwogs was upsetting their voters. In saying "pro-Gollywog voters" I am merely reporting what the actual Conservative Party actually thinks and does.
I don't like the fact they are racist any more than you do. But the racists vote Tory and the racist Braverman is perfectly happy to pander to them.
Get a grip.0 -
That graph needs the context of a graph of number of arrivals though. Otherwise it’s only part of the story.Nigelb said:
Note the collapse got going big time, well before the pandemic.TimS said:
What on earth was the Saj up to?Foxy said:
The collapse in processing asylum claims within 6 months of arrival is quite dramatic.TimS said:The government are wide open on this topic, and Welby’s intervention is helpful for Labour. They can leave him to do the humanitarian appeals (which will certainly influence some), while they highlight the manifold practical failures of Tory migration and asylum policy. Collapsed processing capacity and backlogs, poor coordination with France, no legal routes for people who worked for the UK in Afghanistan, no housing etc.
It’s a failure whether you come at it from a liberal or anti-immigration standpoint. Like Brexit it can quite easily be attacked now from both right and left.0 -
I am not a believer, I grant, but the Christian teachings I have been exposed to have not included edicts that state it is acceptable to regard trafficked sex slaves and children as criminals, to lock them up and then to deport them to a country with a highly questionable human rights record. Perhaps the Archbishop agrees.6
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Where you've had mass cancellations but lots of empty driver training runs - that was the DfT. 4 incompatible train fleets? DfT. Rostering so that you need 2 or 3 crews for one journey? DfT.TheScreamingEagles said:
It will help.RochdalePioneers said:
How does that solve the DfT fucktard overlords problem?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, the government needs to smash the unions.RochdalePioneers said:
That doesn't necessarily provide an instant solution. So many of the fubars were explicit instructions from DfT overlords. Almost none of the remaining private sector operators are actually independent.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control.
https://news.sky.com/story/transpennine-express-to-be-brought-under-government-control-due-to-continuous-cancellations-12878174
Edit - But more socialism from this so called Tory government.
They are delivering so much of Michael Foot's 1983 manifesto.
As a frequent TPE user, I know how to solve this.
Yes, the unions have been striking a lot. But when they are not the service is worse. Which is the DfT...0 -
Arrivals have been fairly steady over that period, just switched from tunnel to boats.turbotubbs said:
That graph needs the context of a graph of number of arrivals though. Otherwise it’s only part of the story.Nigelb said:
Note the collapse got going big time, well before the pandemic.TimS said:
What on earth was the Saj up to?Foxy said:
The collapse in processing asylum claims within 6 months of arrival is quite dramatic.TimS said:The government are wide open on this topic, and Welby’s intervention is helpful for Labour. They can leave him to do the humanitarian appeals (which will certainly influence some), while they highlight the manifold practical failures of Tory migration and asylum policy. Collapsed processing capacity and backlogs, poor coordination with France, no legal routes for people who worked for the UK in Afghanistan, no housing etc.
It’s a failure whether you come at it from a liberal or anti-immigration standpoint. Like Brexit it can quite easily be attacked now from both right and left.0 -
Alicia Kearns is on the committee of the China Research Group, which likes to style itself as “pro China”Nigelb said:Liz Truss’s plan to visit Taiwan called ‘worst kind of Instagram diplomacy’
Alicia Kearns, foreign affairs select committee chair, launches blistering attack on former prime minister
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/11/liz-trusss-taiwan-visit-called-instagram-diplomacy-alicia-kearns-foreign-affairs-select-committee-chair
Truss's rebuttal - that she's going at the invitation of the Taiwanese - is (unlike most of her political history) not unreasonable.2 -
Hopefully Avanti will be next. Expensive, stinky, crowded and prone to delay and cancellation, on top of running a worse timetable than Virgin did.eek said:
Who also run LNER which is always full and rather profitable (don't know exactly how much but it's a stick I know they beat Aventi West Coast with all the time).Nigelb said:
The bad news - it's this government's control.TheScreamingEagles said:REJOICE
TPE to be brought under government control...
A few years back I could reliably board the 7am service at Piccadilly then step off at Euston at 9. No longer.0 -
Erm which bit is potentially defamatory?Casino_Royale said:
A splenetic post full of bigotry and prejudice that diminishes you. It is also potentially defamatory.RochdalePioneers said:
We're really not. Braverman's team told the press that she had berated Essicks police for going after the racist pub. This so alarmed the civil service that they also approached the polis to apologise. Turns out no such berating had happened .Casino_Royale said:
Can we raise the debate above the level of "pro-Gollywog set" please?RochdalePioneers said:
You mean the pro-Gollywog set who still vote Tory. They might think that.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
People - actual conscious humane thinking people - wonder why we're so angry that the Afghans we abandoned are coming here via boats when there is no legal route to do so.
The tragedy of the recent political period has been the weaponisation of cruelty and ignorance. Happily, as last week showed, that spell is being lifted. For most.
We're better than that.
So why did Braverman's team put that out? Because going after Golliwogs was upsetting their voters. In saying "pro-Gollywog voters" I am merely reporting what the actual Conservative Party actually thinks and does.
I don't like the fact they are racist any more than you do. But the racists vote Tory and the racist Braverman is perfectly happy to pander to them.
Get a grip.
Racist pub? Police going after the guy for racist Facebook posts.
Braverman's team briefing the press? Self evident as reported as such by the press.
Braverman being racist? She fingered all Pakistani men.-1 -
But we have already established that migration is at a record high. That is people who have applied legally for leave to live and work here. Probably 500k in the last 12 months. The idea that we need boat people to meet our labour needs rather than the ones we choose for ourselves is a nonsense.Heathener said:It is indeed a trap for Starmer, but 'elephant' is hyperbole.
It would be risky but Starmer could usefully point to the utter disaster of Brexit and the loss of key employees in the entertainment industry (where it is disastrous), the NHS (not much better), and food supplies (ditto).
We NEED workers!!!! And you're not going to get a 55 yr old white collar worker out of early retirement to go and pull up potatoes in a muddy Lincolnshire field on a freezing February morning.
Similarly, the idea that safe legal routes will somehow put the unsafe illegal routes out of business is really a fantasy and simply deflection from the problem.
I am no fan of the Rwanda scheme. It is immoral, expensive and ultimately unworkable. But the arguments that there is an obvious and more humane alternative are even more spurious than the arguments for the scheme itself and that's saying something.4 -
@PBModerator you might want to have a wordRochdalePioneers said:
Erm which bit is potentially defamatory?Casino_Royale said:
A splenetic post full of bigotry and prejudice that diminishes you. It is also potentially defamatory.RochdalePioneers said:
We're really not. Braverman's team told the press that she had berated Essicks police for going after the racist pub. This so alarmed the civil service that they also approached the polis to apologise. Turns out no such berating had happened .Casino_Royale said:
Can we raise the debate above the level of "pro-Gollywog set" please?RochdalePioneers said:
You mean the pro-Gollywog set who still vote Tory. They might think that.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
People - actual conscious humane thinking people - wonder why we're so angry that the Afghans we abandoned are coming here via boats when there is no legal route to do so.
The tragedy of the recent political period has been the weaponisation of cruelty and ignorance. Happily, as last week showed, that spell is being lifted. For most.
We're better than that.
So why did Braverman's team put that out? Because going after Golliwogs was upsetting their voters. In saying "pro-Gollywog voters" I am merely reporting what the actual Conservative Party actually thinks and does.
I don't like the fact they are racist any more than you do. But the racists vote Tory and the racist Braverman is perfectly happy to pander to them.
Get a grip.
Racist pub? Police going after the guy for racist Facebook posts.
Braverman's team briefing the press? Self evident as reported as such by the press.
Braverman being racist? She fingered all Pakistani men.0 -
If the Tories spent less time trying to set traps for Labour and more time governing the country effectively we might all be that little bit better off. Sadly, Tory governing currently seems to be about as effective as the trap setting.0
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Towbacks to Calais should be fine, if the French agree.Dura_Ace said:
The Royal Navy can't secure the British border (because no politician has the guts to order tow backs) so why are they going to be able to secure the French border?Casino_Royale said:
That's what I'd like to happen, and in exchange we take a proportion of those in France to a quota we agree (and only the most vulnerable) and in exchange we use our navy and border forces to help France secure theirs.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
But, it requires Macron's cooperation and is probably politically difficult with Le Pen breathing down his neck.
Towbacks in the Med would come under French command.0 -
Hire the Libyan Coastguard. It’s the European solution, after all..Casino_Royale said:
Towbacks to Calais should be fine, if the French agree.Dura_Ace said:
The Royal Navy can't secure the British border (because no politician has the guts to order tow backs) so why are they going to be able to secure the French border?Casino_Royale said:
That's what I'd like to happen, and in exchange we take a proportion of those in France to a quota we agree (and only the most vulnerable) and in exchange we use our navy and border forces to help France secure theirs.Sandpit said:People still don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France aren’t taken straight to Dover, and put on the next ferry back there.
But, it requires Macron's cooperation and is probably politically difficult with Le Pen breathing down his neck.
Towbacks in the Med would come under French command.0 -
Which inflation ?Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
Price, house or wage ?
The first is pretty much out of the government's control, the second governments like and the third is the one the government is trying to reduce.1 -
That’s, how do you say it? A BINGO!another_richard said:
Which inflation ?Pulpstar said:Sunaks going to have to have inflation under control in order for me (And millions of others) as a major factor in voting come the next GE tbh
Price, house or wage ?
The first is pretty much out of the government's control, the second government's like and the third is the one the government is trying to reduce.
Inflation is an irregular verb…1
