So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Have you forgotten those three hazy, crazy months in the summer of 2019 when she was Secretary of State for Defence?
The only thing I can remember her doing was either lying or being woefully uninformed about when T31 would enter service. She was off by five years.
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
I think that's a slightly odd take. So much of this is about luck and timing: if Smith had died in 1993 instead of 1994; or 1996, would Blair have still been elected Labour leader? How many brilliant potential PMs have not got near the job simply because there was no vacancy for the party leadership, let alone the PMship?
In the case of Mordaunt and Stewart, the timing of the opportunity was such that their party required their leader to have criteria of reliability on a batshit issue, over good governance.
Most politicians do not get a second chance; Johnson and Sunak being two obvious recent counter-examples where they did get a second chance.
It's quite depressing that whenever I want to laugh at Liz Truss, I remember that for seven weeks she'd achieved a damn sight more than I ever will. What was the truth about the necklace btw?
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Penny lost my respect when she changed her tune and lied about her past views. She should have stuck to her guns.
So now we are reduced to Deborah Meaden and Anton du Beke opining on the day’s happenings
If you so obviously loathe it and find it laughable - why the fucking fucketty fuck are you watching a single minute of coverage?!
People like you are plastic republicans. You secretly love royalty, but you are too socially insecure to admit this because you associate monarchism with lower class people from Wolverhampton wearing Union Jack hats on the Mall
I haven't watched a single second of it, but even I'd question what Meadon and du Beke bring to the table if I had. Look, I get the importance of today, and don't begrudge it. I'm not even a staunch republican, we're not set up well to be a republic and do we really want a President Blair/Cameron/Johnson/Mordaunt? We're good at this pageantry malarkey, and millions of the population love it. I just find the cap doffing and oath pledging, the royal titles and hangers on offensive. And the expense is grotesque. Keep the monarchy, but fire most of them.
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Have you forgotten those three hazy, crazy months in the summer of 2019 when she was Secretary of State for Defence?
The only thing I can remember her doing was either lying or being woefully uninformed about when T31 would enter service. She was off by five years.
I vaguely recall her doing something in, or just above, a swimming pool? But that was before MoD.
Lordy, could you be more careful: "potentially" running an "avoidance" scheme. Is running avoidance schemes not what accountants do and isn't it perfectly legal?
Thin gruel for those of us who have so far been enjoying this luxurious feast put on by the SNP for general amusement. Must do better.
- issue non voting B shares to the children - Differential dividend rights that can be declared by the board - Live 7 years to take those shares out of the estate for inheritance tax purposes
The tax saving basically arises from moving from a 39% tax rate to using the personal allowance and dividend allowance for the kids (about £14k) and then paying a lower rate of tax on the balance
That is likely to fall foul of Chapter 5 Part 5 ITTOIA 2005 (settlements regime).
I am by no means a tax person, but I was meaning transfer of real economic ownership in the company (just non-voting shares and the right to a different dividend). But same rights on winding up.
Edit: to be clear not meaning a trust structure. A direct stake being handed to the kids instead. So fully subject to inheritance tax, income tax, etc.
It's quite depressing that whenever I want to laugh at Liz Truss, I remember that for seven weeks she'd achieved a damn sight more than I ever will. What was the truth about the necklace btw?
Best thing Truss managed was to cure the world of "Imposter Syndrome". No one need ever feel out of their depth ever again.
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Actually, her failure to win TWO leadership elections - she put her name forward again when the other two candidates were Sunny Delight boy, and a discredited, congenital liar.
It's quite depressing that whenever I want to laugh at Liz Truss, I remember that for seven weeks she'd achieved a damn sight more than I ever will. What was the truth about the necklace btw?
Best thing Truss managed was to cure the world of "Imposter Syndrome". No one need ever feel out of their depth ever again.
I genuinely loathe Truss. She cost me about 30 grand as she fecked the housing market a week after we put our house on the market. Had to scale back my plans on a new mountain bike and an upgrade on the van. Never forgive her for that!
I seriously think Mordaunt has been such a star today she has put herself in a prime position to take over from Rishi
Right now it’s her versus Kemi B
Illogical but there it is. She has charisma
Indeed. A large part of modern politics is showmanship, and as I've also mentioned many, many times, there's few politicians who can both do that, and also project empathy, if and wherever necessary.
In perhaps the least interesting observation of the day I just noticed that Camilla's pageboys are wearing mini Grenadier Guards uniforms. Quite recently Camilla was made Colonel of the Grenadier Guards.
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Actually, her failure to win TWO leadership elections - she put her name forward again when the other two candidates were Sunny Delight boy, and a discredited, congenital liar.
Has anyone ever won a party leadership at the third attempt?
So now we are reduced to Deborah Meaden and Anton du Beke opining on the day’s happenings
If you so obviously loathe it and find it laughable - why the fucking fucketty fuck are you watching a single minute of coverage?!
People like you are plastic republicans. You secretly love royalty, but you are too socially insecure to admit this because you associate monarchism with lower class people from Wolverhampton wearing Union Jack hats on the Mall
I seriously think Mordaunt has been such a star today she has put herself in a prime position to take over from Rishi
Right now it’s her versus Kemi B
Illogical but there it is. She has charisma
Indeed. A large part of modern politics is showmanship, and as I've also mentioned many, many times, there's few politicians who can both do that, and also project empathy if and wherever necessary.
She was very poor in the Con leadership debates. I thought her the best of a bad lot, but she really wasn't up to much.
It's quite depressing that whenever I want to laugh at Liz Truss, I remember that for seven weeks she'd achieved a damn sight more than I ever will. What was the truth about the necklace btw?
Best thing Truss managed was to cure the world of "Imposter Syndrome". No one need ever feel out of their depth ever again.
I genuinely loathe Truss. She cost me about 30 grand as she fecked the housing market a week after we put our house on the market. Had to scale back my plans on a new mountain bike and an upgrade on the van. Never forgive her for that!
Could have been worse, she could have pinched your bathrobes as well.
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.
I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.
New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet” ...
Yes, of course that makes it OK. How could anyone have doubted it?
You're missing the point.
By all means tell me what point you were trying to make.
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Actually, her failure to win TWO leadership elections - she put her name forward again when the other two candidates were Sunny Delight boy, and a discredited, congenital liar.
Has anyone ever won a party leadership at the third attempt?
Normally with this sort of thing you only get two chances max.
Penny Mordaunt looks and acts the part, and can do empathy just like Jacinda, but that is where her capabilities begin and end. There is no depth or thought to the lady.
Her pro-Woke views are probably similarly shallow but she could also turn up to be obstinately pig-headed about them rather than think it through and that sort of intellectual limitation rules her out, I'm afraid.
We need someone who knows how, where and why to put up resistance.
I seriously think Mordaunt has been such a star today she has put herself in a prime position to take over from Rishi
Right now it’s her versus Kemi B
Illogical but there it is. She has charisma
Indeed. A large part of modern politics is showmanship, and as I've also mentioned many, many times, there's few politicians who can both do that, and also project empathy if and wherever necessary.
She was very poor in the Con leadership debates. I thought her the best of a bad lot, but she really wasn't up to much.
Good in the first and OK in the last ones, as I remember, but yes, Sunak was better.
Don't forget, though, that debating skills are not the necessarily the measure of success of a politician. Bozo was pretty bad on his feet, for instance, and as well as being able to show empathy, she also has the benefit of a slightly mysterious type of charisma to keep a distance when needed, which the eggs-and-bacon stand-up, whatever other gifts he may have in language and imagination, definitely doesn't.
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Actually, her failure to win TWO leadership elections - she put her name forward again when the other two candidates were Sunny Delight boy, and a discredited, congenital liar.
Has anyone ever won a party leadership at the third attempt?
I seriously think Mordaunt has been such a star today she has put herself in a prime position to take over from Rishi
Right now it’s her versus Kemi B
Illogical but there it is. She has charisma
Indeed. A large part of modern politics is showmanship, and as I've also mentioned many, many times, there's few politicians who can both do that, and also project empathy if and wherever necessary.
She was very poor in the Con leadership debates. I thought her the best of a bad lot, but she really wasn't up to much.
Good in the first and OK in the last ones, as I remember, but yes, Sunak was better.
Don't forget, though, that debating skills are not the necessarily the measure of success of a politician. Bozo was pretty bad on his feet, for instance, and she has the added benefit of a slightly mysterious type of charisma to keep a distance when needed, which the eggs-and-bacon stand-up, whatever other gifts he may have in language and imagination, definitely doesn't.
However wasn’t it later revealed that was facing private family night mares through those debates, hence her oddly lacklustre performances?
Let’s face it, the Tories are gonna need someone non-posh with a bit of star quality. They are not overburdened with candidates
She also has a good sense of humour and is capable of making Starmer look like the stiff old twat that he is
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Actually, her failure to win TWO leadership elections - she put her name forward again when the other two candidates were Sunny Delight boy, and a discredited, congenital liar.
Has anyone ever won a party leadership at the third attempt?
Harold Wilson I think.
Disraeli was overlooked twice, first for Bentinck and then for Granby.
“Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.”
Not sure I agree with this.
In reality, “leadership” is mostly about perception.
Figuring out which way the wind is blowing before anyone else, then loudly directing the wind to blow in that particular direction.
The most impressive leaders are the greatest charlatans.
I remember a great cartoon about Tony Blair with the legend “I am their leader; I must follow them”
Originally, ascribed to Alexandre Ledru-Rollin.
Je suis leur chef, il fallait bien les suivre.
Absolutely - this was a cartoon with a rocky road up to a shining city on a hill. I forget what it was signposted - something like “fiscal prudence” - and a large crowd going along the broad grassy path marked “uncontrolled spending” with Tony Blair scurrying along behind them
So lots of mixed metaphors but made its point well.
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Actually, her failure to win TWO leadership elections - she put her name forward again when the other two candidates were Sunny Delight boy, and a discredited, congenital liar.
Has anyone ever won a party leadership at the third attempt?
Harold Wilson I think.
I don't think so. He stood against Gaitskell, but only once (the other election in that period was a challenge by Tony Greenwood). Then he won the leadership election following Gaitskell's death. So only twice I think.
Callaghan and Foot were also both second-time-lucky.
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.
If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.
If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.
Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.
Penny Mordaunt's failure to win an election within her own party doesn't scream excellence in political leadership to me, particularly when the other leading candidates were Liz Truss and a teetotaler who comes across as an overeager teenager. Same argument as Rory Stewart.
Actually, her failure to win TWO leadership elections - she put her name forward again when the other two candidates were Sunny Delight boy, and a discredited, congenital liar.
Has anyone ever won a party leadership at the third attempt?
Harold Wilson I think.
I don't think so. He stood against Gaitskell, but only once (the other election in that period was a challenge by Tony Greenwood). Then he won the leadership election following Gaitskell's death. So only twice I think.
You're right. I thought Wilson challenged Gaitskell twice, but it was Greenwood who challenged the second time.
I seriously think Mordaunt has been such a star today she has put herself in a prime position to take over from Rishi
Right now it’s her versus Kemi B
Illogical but there it is. She has charisma
Indeed. A large part of modern politics is showmanship, and as I've also mentioned many, many times, there's few politicians who can both do that, and also project empathy if and wherever necessary.
She was very poor in the Con leadership debates. I thought her the best of a bad lot, but she really wasn't up to much.
Good in the first and OK in the last ones, as I remember, but yes, Sunak was better.
Don't forget, though, that debating skills are not the necessarily the measure of success of a politician. Bozo was pretty bad on his feet, for instance, and she has the added benefit of a slightly mysterious type of charisma to keep a distance when needed, which the eggs-and-bacon stand-up, whatever other gifts he may have in language and imagination, definitely doesn't.
However wasn’t it later revealed that was facing private family night mares through those debates, hence her oddly lacklustre performances?
Let’s face it, the Tories are gonna need someone non-posh with a bit of star quality. They are not overburdened with candidates
She also has a good sense of humour and is capable of making Starmer look like the stiff old twat that he is
She also has the same view of gender identity as Nicola Sturgeon, and tried to bring a very similar Bill to that which cost the Scottish leader her job, to the UK Parliament.
Independents and residents' associations don't tend to stand in Westminster elections.
Most of the 75 will be SNP where the election results - even factoring the good LAB vote - will have made little difference and also NI where there would be no impact.
Penny Mordaunt looks and acts the part, and can do empathy just like Jacinda, but that is where her capabilities begin and end. There is no depth or thought to the lady.
Her pro-Woke views are probably similarly shallow but she could also turn up to be obstinately pig-headed about them rather than think it through and that sort of intellectual limitation rules her out, I'm afraid.
We need someone who knows how, where and why to put up resistance.
I share some of your reservations but she was very good as leader of the House in some pretty tricky spots for the government. I don't think she is the brightest but she has a clear sense of narrative and a good turn of phrase. I think she will make a good LOTO during the first term of the Labour government.
I would rather Penny had won the leadership contest the first time out, but to be completely honest as much as she absolutely nailed it today, carrying a sword around an abbey does not a party leader make.
Fundamentally she still faces the same issues as cost her the job last time around - there seem to be elements in the party who really don’t like her and distrust her.
After a GE defeat the party will elect someone who makes them feel good about themselves. That will be Braverman doing her hanging and flogging act or Badenoch and her culture war. I’m not sure Penny will get a look in.
Clare Balding said something about a commentary-free version on iplayer or somewhere. Maybe someone who knows how to clip videos for Twitter can do the needful.
Independents and residents' associations don't tend to stand in Westminster elections.
Most of the 75 will be SNP where the election results - even factoring the good LAB vote - will have made little difference and also NI where there would be no impact.
No, I meant in England! People will vote for the three main parties.
Independents and residents' associations don't tend to stand in Westminster elections.
Yes, although you can see Ashfield Independents potentially being the ones to unseat Lee Anderson.
I believe the lady who stands in East Devon and has come pretty close a couple of times, Claire Wright, has said she's not going for one last heave (rather surprisingly as she's relatively young and it's probably her best chance against the Tories - albeit boundary changes carve up the seat rather).
Penny Mordaunt looks and acts the part, and can do empathy just like Jacinda, but that is where her capabilities begin and end. There is no depth or thought to the lady.
Her pro-Woke views are probably similarly shallow but she could also turn up to be obstinately pig-headed about them rather than think it through and that sort of intellectual limitation rules her out, I'm afraid.
We need someone who knows how, where and why to put up resistance.
I share some of your reservations but she was very good as leader of the House in some pretty tricky spots for the government. I don't think she is the brightest but she has a clear sense of narrative and a good turn of phrase. I think she will make a good LOTO during the first term of the Labour government.
I would say if you have mystique, you can use that in tricky situations, even if others are quicker on their feet. I can't think of any other modern politicians with some sort of mystique. is there anyone ? Possibly Rory Stewart.
Clare Balding said something about a commentary-free version on iplayer or somewhere. Maybe someone who knows how to clip videos for Twitter can do the needful.
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
OK, so I managed to see most of the helicopters and the Red Arrows from my bedroom window in Ilford, but at a distance! Had to zoom in with my camera! FWIW:
There’s no lower league football in England today, so it’s not an issue for them. The only question was, would Scotland object? Given Sky are their broadcast partners, they weren’t going to object.
OK, so I managed to see most of the helicopters and the Red Arrows from my bedroom window in Ilford, but at a distance! Had to zoom in with my camera! FWIW:
The ceremony really was something rather special. I’m glad I decided to watch it.
I can take or leave the procession/balcony stuff, it doesn’t have the same mystique and power as a 1500 year old book, or a service the core elements of which haven’t changed for 1000 years, or Zadok.
I understand a little more now why the former Queen was reportedly so devoutly wedded to her duty and her coronation oath. It is a very powerful service/ceremony and I can imagine it having a very strong impact on the person at the centre of it.
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
An article tainted with Woke bullshit
“During the early medieval period (also known anachronistically as the Anglo-Saxon era),”
American historians have decided “Anglo-Saxon” is white supremacist. They can fuck off. It’s our history, not theirs
OK, so I managed to see most of the helicopters and the Red Arrows from my bedroom window in Ilford, but at a distance! Had to zoom in with my camera! FWIW:
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
An article tainted with Woke bullshit
“During the early medieval period (also known anachronistically as the Anglo-Saxon era),”
American historians have decided “Anglo-Saxon” is white supremacist. They can fuck off. It’s our history, not theirs
This is also because various Trumpians have started using it more, though, quite comically,
Penny Mordaunt looks and acts the part, and can do empathy just like Jacinda, but that is where her capabilities begin and end. There is no depth or thought to the lady.
Her pro-Woke views are probably similarly shallow but she could also turn up to be obstinately pig-headed about them rather than think it through and that sort of intellectual limitation rules her out, I'm afraid.
We need someone who knows how, where and why to put up resistance.
I share some of your reservations but she was very good as leader of the House in some pretty tricky spots for the government. I don't think she is the brightest but she has a clear sense of narrative and a good turn of phrase. I think she will make a good LOTO during the first term of the Labour government.
I would say if you have mystique, you can use that in tricky situations, even if others are quicker on their feet. I can't think of any other modern politicians with some sort of mystique. is there anyone ? Possibly Rory Stewart.
Tricky one to pin down, but here’s a selection of some politicians I think have some mystique in the sense of seeming somewhat otherworldly
- John Redwood (alas) - Caroline Lucas - Wera Hobhouse - Rishi Sunak, actually - Thangam Debbonaire - Emily Thornberry - Mark Drakeford - Jeremy Hunt - Rory
Penny Mordaunt looks and acts the part, and can do empathy just like Jacinda, but that is where her capabilities begin and end. There is no depth or thought to the lady.
Her pro-Woke views are probably similarly shallow but she could also turn up to be obstinately pig-headed about them rather than think it through and that sort of intellectual limitation rules her out, I'm afraid.
We need someone who knows how, where and why to put up resistance.
I share some of your reservations but she was very good as leader of the House in some pretty tricky spots for the government. I don't think she is the brightest but she has a clear sense of narrative and a good turn of phrase. I think she will make a good LOTO during the first term of the Labour government.
I would say if you have mystique, you can use that in tricky situations, even if others are quicker on their feet. I can't think of any other modern politicians with some sort of mystique. is there anyone ? Possibly Rory Stewart.
Tricky one to pin down, but here’s a selection of some politicians I think have some mystique in the sense of seeming somewhat otherworldly
- John Redwood (alas) - Caroline Lucas - Wera Hobhouse - Rishi Sunak, actually - Thangam Debbonaire - Emily Thornberry - Mark Drakeford - Jeremy Hunt - Rory
Agree on Emily Thornberry and Rory. Possibly also Lisa Nandy, even Angela Rayner and also Michele Donelan. It does tend to have a connection to attractiveness to the opposite sex, I think.
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
An article tainted with Woke bullshit
“During the early medieval period (also known anachronistically as the Anglo-Saxon era),”
American historians have decided “Anglo-Saxon” is white supremacist. They can fuck off. It’s our history, not theirs
To be fair it is their history too and forged a lot of their attitudes and institutions, common law for example and their sherrifs etc but they just have the hump that they got President Trump.
A lot of the comments on the NYT live-blog were corkers though with readers slagging off the Brits for colonising and taking objects without the self-awareness once to see what they did to Native Americans. Didn’t notice any demands there to hand back the land they stole.
Very sensible bloke on BBC giving a social commentary on it all. Not sure who it is.
"Difficult to incorporate or acknowledge the changes in modern Britain in a thousand year old ceremony."
David Olusoga. Have you not watched A House Through Time? He's one of the best people on TV. Went to school with Gazza.
Will look him out. All worth listening to if that's anything to go by. Thx.
Yes, he really is. A House Through Time is genius TV. Each series focuses on a single house (usually Georgian) and goes through the lives of all of its inhabitants, along the way shedding light on historical events and social change while also uncovering quite moving individual stories. A bit like Who Do You Think You Are but more highbrow and interesting. Olusoga is a very engaging host with interesting things to say and a kind of open and empathetic approach that really brings the best out of the material. It's a good one to watch with kids too, educational without being boring.
Meanwhile in Cardiff - 100s attend 'not my king' march while only around 20 attend 'official coronation screening' in Cardiff Castle. And special postbox has been redecorated.
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
An article tainted with Woke bullshit
“During the early medieval period (also known anachronistically as the Anglo-Saxon era),”
American historians have decided “Anglo-Saxon” is white supremacist. They can fuck off. It’s our history, not theirs
To be fair it is their history too and forged a lot of their attitudes and institutions, common law for example and their sherrifs etc but they just have the hump that they got President Trump.
A lot of the comments on the NYT live-blog were corkers though with readers slagging off the Brits for colonising and taking objects without the self-awareness once to see what they did to Native Americans. Didn’t notice any demands there to hand back the land they stole.
One of the main reasons the American colonists broke the link with us was because the British authorities were preventing them from expanding more aggressively into Native American lands, IIRC. There's plenty of blame and shame to go around (or pride I suppose if colonialism is your bag).
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
An article tainted with Woke bullshit
“During the early medieval period (also known anachronistically as the Anglo-Saxon era),”
American historians have decided “Anglo-Saxon” is white supremacist. They can fuck off. It’s our history, not theirs
Have they? I thought the problem with Anglo-Saxon was that it was pretty localised to dear old blighty, and it is the term "dark ages" that has historians clutching their pearls and reaching for neologisms like "early mediaeval".
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
An article tainted with Woke bullshit
“During the early medieval period (also known anachronistically as the Anglo-Saxon era),”
American historians have decided “Anglo-Saxon” is white supremacist. They can fuck off. It’s our history, not theirs
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
An article tainted with Woke bullshit
“During the early medieval period (also known anachronistically as the Anglo-Saxon era),”
American historians have decided “Anglo-Saxon” is white supremacist. They can fuck off. It’s our history, not theirs
Have they? I thought the problem with Anglo-Saxon was that it was pretty localised to dear old blighty, and it is the term "dark ages" that has historians clutching their pearls and reaching for neologisms like "early mediaeval".
There's two issues.
There is an issue in the U.S., where various troglodyte Trumpians have started using phrases like "proud Anglo-Saxon", even if they're more commonly actually something else, and parts of the American left have thus now decided that this can now always only represent anything awful, in the usual and current symbiosis of extremism, and polarisation from right to left, of modern America.
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The only thing I can remember her doing was either lying or being woefully uninformed about when T31 would enter service. She was off by five years.
In the case of Mordaunt and Stewart, the timing of the opportunity was such that their party required their leader to have criteria of reliability on a batshit issue, over good governance.
Most politicians do not get a second chance; Johnson and Sunak being two obvious recent counter-examples where they did get a second chance.
Right now it’s her versus Kemi B
Illogical but there it is. She has charisma
The country and sensible people said choose her.
The Tories decided she was too woke and chose idiot Truss.
“Leadership in politics is about persuading people and winning their support.”
Not sure I agree with this.
In reality, “leadership” is mostly about perception.
Figuring out which way the wind is blowing before anyone else, then loudly directing the wind to blow in that particular direction.
The most impressive leaders are the greatest charlatans.
Look, I get the importance of today, and don't begrudge it. I'm not even a staunch republican, we're not set up well to be a republic and do we really want a President Blair/Cameron/Johnson/Mordaunt?
We're good at this pageantry malarkey, and millions of the population love it.
I just find the cap doffing and oath pledging, the royal titles and hangers on offensive. And the expense is grotesque.
Keep the monarchy, but fire most of them.
Edit: to be clear not meaning a trust structure. A direct stake being handed to the kids instead. So fully subject to inheritance tax, income tax, etc.
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Sadly it has Huw Edwards waffling over the initial bars but still
https://twitter.com/markhiggie1/status/1654821230468276226?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
It's all for show.
Her pro-Woke views are probably similarly shallow but she could also turn up to be obstinately pig-headed about them rather than think it through and that sort of intellectual limitation rules her out, I'm afraid.
We need someone who knows how, where and why to put up resistance.
Don't forget, though, that debating skills are not the necessarily the measure of success of a politician. Bozo was pretty bad on his feet, for instance, and as well as being able to show empathy, she also has the benefit of a slightly mysterious type of charisma to keep a distance when needed, which the eggs-and-bacon stand-up, whatever other gifts he may have in language and imagination, definitely doesn't.
"Difficult to incorporate or acknowledge the changes in modern Britain in a thousand year old ceremony."
Lab 298
Con 238
LD 39
Others 75
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-elections-labour-would-fall-28-short-of-overall-majority-in-general-election-sky-news-vote-share-projection-shows-12873917
Je suis leur chef, il fallait bien les suivre.
https://twitter.com/beardedgenius/status/1654815223130341377?s=46
Let’s face it, the Tories are gonna need someone non-posh with a bit of star quality. They are not overburdened with candidates
She also has a good sense of humour and is capable of making Starmer look like the stiff old twat that he is
Incidentally, I prefer to watch big national events on ITV/STV. They have a tendency to surprise on the upside.
So lots of mixed metaphors but made its point well.
Callaghan and Foot were also both second-time-lucky.
https://twitter.com/hanoverhussy/status/1654535217691127809
Very good.
This road in Ilford North actually exists
Fundamentally she still faces the same issues as cost her the job last time around - there seem to be elements in the party who really don’t like her and distrust her.
After a GE defeat the party will elect someone who makes them feel good about themselves. That will be Braverman doing her hanging and flogging act or Badenoch and her culture war. I’m not sure Penny will get a look in.
The colour, by designer Safiyaa, is "Poseidon", a reference to her Portsmouth constituency.
https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1654783523012636676?s=20
I believe the lady who stands in East Devon and has come pretty close a couple of times, Claire Wright, has said she's not going for one last heave (rather surprisingly as she's relatively young and it's probably her best chance against the Tories - albeit boundary changes carve up the seat rather).
https://youtube.com/watch?v=O8OslFp1B6g
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-not-so-brief-history-of-british-coronations-180982088/
Actually the only element of the ceremony it mentions in connection with the coronation of Edgar is the anointing. And as we all know that is much older - "Zadok the priest [etc]".
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There’s no lower league football in England today, so it’s not an issue for them. The only question was, would Scotland object? Given Sky are their broadcast partners, they weren’t going to object.
I can take or leave the procession/balcony stuff, it doesn’t have the same mystique and power as a 1500 year old book, or a service the core elements of which haven’t changed for 1000 years, or Zadok.
I understand a little more now why the former Queen was reportedly so devoutly wedded to her duty and her coronation oath. It is a very powerful service/ceremony and I can imagine it having a very strong impact on the person at the centre of it.
Bring on President Mordaunt
“During the early medieval period (also known anachronistically as the Anglo-Saxon era),”
American historians have decided “Anglo-Saxon” is white supremacist. They can fuck off. It’s our history, not theirs
- John Redwood (alas)
- Caroline Lucas
- Wera Hobhouse
- Rishi Sunak, actually
- Thangam Debbonaire
- Emily Thornberry
- Mark Drakeford
- Jeremy Hunt
- Rory
A lot of the comments on the NYT live-blog were corkers though with readers slagging off the Brits for colonising and taking objects without the self-awareness once to see what they did to Native Americans. Didn’t notice any demands there to hand back the land they stole.
There is an issue in the U.S., where various troglodyte Trumpians have started using phrases like "proud Anglo-Saxon", even if they're more commonly actually something else, and parts of the American left have thus now decided that this can now always only represent anything awful, in the usual and current symbiosis of extremism, and polarisation from right to left, of modern America.