Interesting read on Rishi Sunak. This is what they say
He has been tasked with first creating a financial crisis through printing billions with "furlough" then initiating the "solution" - e.g.a combination of CBDCs, digital IDs&social credit scoring
Thesis is Sunak is an intelligence asset sent to destroy the UK
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
I for one am overjoyed now we have our own person of colour leading the country we immediately have own own iteration of the birther conspiracy theory. GTF.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
Bearing in mind, they have been invaded for no obvious reason by a neighbour led by a man who is clearly one sandwich short of a picnic and who has broken every single treaty he's ever signed.
Interesting that most at Stanford didnt have personak memories of Sunak despite him being so exceotional...interesting
When asked about his time at Stanford during his initial run in August, most GSB deans and professors told The Guardian they did not have many personal memories of Sunak. B
Interesting read on Rishi Sunak. This is what they say
He has been tasked with first creating a financial crisis through printing billions with "furlough" then initiating the "solution" - e.g.a combination of CBDCs, digital IDs&social credit scoring
Thesis is Sunak is an intelligence asset sent to destroy the UK
Seems like PB has been downgraded and is only worth a basic model now that all the Tory electioneering is done. It feels like a slight. They were giving us models that could go for a hundred posts or more before going off the rails.
I think with respect that if you lived in the UK you'd possibly have a different perspective on this. It's a shitshow and most of us now realise it.
Nevertheless, it is patently and obviously true.
The UK will not seek readmission to the EU in your or my lifetime, and even if they did (which they won't), they wouldn't take us.
Really, the more assertive you are the less impressed I am with you stating it. You've provided no backing except a strident viewpoint.
It's perfectly plausible.
I mentioned a week or two back that when we have a new Labour Government, the mood will continue to change. Quite significantly so. And in those circumstances the pressures to rejoin will increase further, especially if we continue to struggle economically outside of the bloc. I could see a referendum to rejoin being part of Labour's second term in office, assuming they have one.
Remember too that with every passing year and month, more of the Brexit demographic dies. Literally.
Happy to actually have some money on this if you like:
Full Fat Membership of the EU by 2032, I'll give you 10-1.
Your call.
Ha! So now your 'never in our lifetimes' has shrunk to 9 years and to 'Full Fat Membership.'
That's a massive moving of the goalposts.
I said that: 'If the UK continues to struggle economically then the pressure to rejoin will probably become irresistible. I can see a referendum to rejoin in the next 20 years as being plausible.'
I'd go back to your original assertion, endlessly repeated, that it will never happen, then qualified by 'never happen in our lifetimes'.
I think you're missing the mood on this Robert. Not just anecdotally either. Polling.
So, that’s just a long winded way of saying no to Robert’s bet.
Alternatively, RCS1000 going from 0% chance in our lifetimes, to 10-1 in 10 years is either offering odds so miserly it would make the greediest bookie blush, or he's effectively admitting his other categorical statements were wrong. Only an idiot would take that bet.
What about 1000-1 on Britain becoming a full member by 2040?
He can hardly offer a bit fifty years hence.
Heathener is being disingenuous.,she should take the bet.
2040 is in 50 years?
Heathener said a rejoin referendum within 20 years was plausible.
I think any bet to be settled in many years made on an anonymous forum is unrealistic.
I certainly wouldn't back rejoin within 10 years at 10-1, but isn't it also disingenuous to pretend that those odds are a fair reflection of "impossible within our lifetimes". I'd say rejoin within 25 years at anything above 30-1 would definitely be hypothetical value (assuming not having to stump up losing stake until bet is settled).
Obviously 2040 is not fifty years hence, I was looking at the original bet.
Heathener talks the talk, but won’t walk the walk. She should have took the bet if she was arguing sincerely.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
It's going to have to be more or less (probably less) the 2014 borders because the Ukrainians aren't going all the way to Moscow (or even Rostov) and the Russians aren't going all the way to Kiev.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
Bearing in mind, they have been invaded for no obvious reason by a neighbour led by a man who is clearly one sandwich short of a picnic and who has broken every single treaty he's ever signed.
Firstly zelensky should abandon his claims on Crimea...thats a start
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
It's going to have to be more or less (probably less) the 2014 borders because the Ukrainians aren't going all the way to Moscow (or even Rostov) and the Russians aren't going all the way to Kiev.
So basically, Russians to withdraw from Ukraine?
I think that's a sound negotiating position. I'm sure the Ukrainians would be happy with that.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
Bearing in mind, they have been invaded for no obvious reason by a neighbour led by a man who is clearly one sandwich short of a picnic and who has broken every single treaty he's ever signed.
Firstly zelensky should abandon his claims on Crimea...thats a start
Why?
PS - Incidentally, Zelensky has no claim on Crimea. We're talking about Ukraine not a personal fiefdom.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
It's going to have to be more or less (probably less) the 2014 borders because the Ukrainians aren't going all the way to Moscow (or even Rostov) and the Russians aren't going all the way to Kiev.
Yes agreed and rhetoric needs to be toned down on zelenskys side...we cant do anything about putin
Interesting read on Rishi Sunak. This is what they say
He has been tasked with first creating a financial crisis through printing billions with "furlough" then initiating the "solution" - e.g.a combination of CBDCs, digital IDs&social credit scoring
Thesis is Sunak is an intelligence asset sent to destroy the UK
It is a hypothesis others are putting forward that Sunak is an intelligence asset. Key to it is noone remembers him from his time at Stanford..
It is a hypothesis others are putting forward that China are going to forget Taiwan for a while - and instead take a bloody great big chunk of Russia, now that Ukraine has destroyed most of Russia's ability to stop them.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
It's going to have to be more or less (probably less) the 2014 borders because the Ukrainians aren't going all the way to Moscow (or even Rostov) and the Russians aren't going all the way to Kiev.
Yes agreed and rhetoric needs to be toned down on zelenskys side...we cant do anything about putin
His rhetoric is that Russia should withdraw from Ukraine, stop murdering Ukrainians and refrain from destroying all their infrastructure.
You've just said that was a sound negotiating position.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
Bearing in mind, they have been invaded for no obvious reason by a neighbour led by a man who is clearly one sandwich short of a picnic and who has broken every single treaty he's ever signed.
Firstly zelensky should abandon his claims on Crimea...thats a start
Why?
PS - Incidentally, Zelensky has no claim on Crimea. We're talking about Ukraine not a personal fiefdom.
Exactly. And the ongoing departure of Russians who relocated to Crimea tells you something. They aren't exactly defending the Motherland in the way ordinary people in Ukraine are defending their homes.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
It allows admirers of Boris Johnson to post a load of mindless hate against Keir Starmer. What more proof do you need it's libertarian?
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
Well people on PB wont be suffering like the ukrainians this winter...so far to them the war is like call of duty
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
When has this site claimed to be Libertarian? The owner is a liberal; that's not the same thing.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
When as this site claimed to be Libertarian? The owner is a liberal; that's not the same thing.
You can get away with lots of things on here.
Heck, there are even three posters who are known to say rude things about Radiohead.
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
Well people on PB wont be suffering like the ukrainians this winter...so far to them the war is like call of duty
Try using a full stop, helps disuise you a bit. If you think people in the U.K. haven’t been directly affected by the illegal Russian assault on Ukraine you clearly don’t live here. Millions are having to make tough decisions about eating vs heating. Millions are worried about being able to pay bills. Most people hear are backing Ukraine as they are the innocent victims of nationalist aggression, just as Russia was in 1941.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
When as this site claimed to be Libertarian? The owner is a liberal; that's not the same thing.
You can get away with lots of things on here.
Heck, there are even three posters who are known to say rude things about Radiohead.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
The only thing we can conclude from Tucker Carlson warning there is only about 24 days of diesel fuel left is that there is not only about 24 days of diesel fuel left.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
Well people on PB wont be suffering like the ukrainians this winter...so far to them the war is like call of duty
Try using a full stop, helps disuise you a bit. If you think people in the U.K. haven’t been directly affected by the illegal Russian assault on Ukraine you clearly don’t live here. Millions are having to make tough decisions about eating vs heating. Millions are worried about being able to pay bills. Most people hear are backing Ukraine as they are the innocent victims of nationalist aggression, just as Russia was in 1941.
Not the same as being bombed or without power though is it
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Reinforced with a bunch of untrained, unequipped conscripts who may also be praying for a mild winter. What sort of state is the Russian economy in if troops are having to buy their own supplies? Looking at it from my own ivory tower things may not end well for them.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
False dichotomy. Next.
Do we think those "reinforced positions" with demotivated troops, supply lines under constant attack, partisan warfare, the ability to do end-runs around the defences, defeat in the south and the cutting of the land bridge into Crimea, are going to be worth anything come the Spring?
This is Ukraine defending its territory.
The only outcome I can see as acceptable to Ukraine is military defeat for Russia, and a diplomatic post-war settlement that neuters their ability to do this again.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Ah but that doesn't fit with the "force of nature" narrative tankies like to put forward. Russia, in their view, is a singular black box machine. Inscrutable and incapable of being influenced. It is an idea that transcends the humans that comprise it. The whole "poke the bear" narrative plugs into this view. An animal is pure and amoral. It will react in a way untroubled by human vice or virtue. All choice and doubt therefore falls onto those who would interact with it. It's a narrative that seeks to avoid awkward moral questions by dehumanising the leadership of the Russian state and depicting it as you would weather. Russia just happens. It's up to Ukrainians to accommodate and adapt. It's pure bollocks.
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
Four from me as usual. Seasons getting proper stuff now. Knitting whilst watching the racing. My gran would be so proud of me 😇
1.50 Wetherby Macavity long shot of week Hurdling Debut for points winner. 7-1 drew me in closer.
2.05 Ascot Anyharminasking NAP Why am I giving this one napoleon? There’s no harm in asking as this is an up and coming superstar of the racing universe!
2.40 Ascot Amoola Gold Another one from last seasons book. With little recent runs from fancied runners, I trust my previous due diligence in race history
3.15 Ascot Major Dundee E/W Is Dundee another Major up and coming superstar? My each way bet of the week and will be surprised if not placed in this big race of the day.
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
Well, I'm sure they don't. There he was, seen as the best chance of stopping NATO intervention in Ukraine as Chancellor, watching the pennies, and now he's PM he's still supporting them.
It must be very confusing in your country right now. Particularly given you are clearly worried about power, food and the implosion of the army.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
When as this site claimed to be Libertarian? The owner is a liberal; that's not the same thing.
You can get away with lots of things on here.
Heck, there are even three posters who are known to say rude things about Radiohead.
Poor, misguided fools though.
Philip Selway’s got a new solo album out in February.
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
That Vanity Fair article is explosive. It came from the lab, almost certainly
What will this do to West/China relations?
What will it do to virology, and science at large?
Tony Fauci needs to go on trial and - if convicted - do time, as do many top boffins around the world who conspired in the cover-up - Vallance and Farrar in the UK, for a start - and many others
Peter Daszak and others close to the crime need Nuremberg Trials with potential execution at the end, if convicted. Twenty MILLION people have died. Worse than World War One
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Reinforced with a bunch of untrained, unequipped conscripts who may also be praying for a mild winter. What sort of state is the Russian economy in if troops are having to buy their own supplies? Looking at it from my own ivory tower things may not end well for them.
Wouldn't a mild winter mean it was very muddy and difficult to move everything around, including food and fuel?
If so, Russia have ingeniously got to the situation where they're fucked if the weather's good, and fucked if it's bad.
Which you've got to admire in a way. It takes talent to get to such a perfectly balanced disaster.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
I think the ukrainian offensive has stalled...you fail to realise we cant control Russia so expecting Putin to suddenly turn into a cuddly teddy bear is a bit futile...and dont you care about the ukrainian children...think of them shivering in the cold and dark...
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Methinks Chris Heaton will be in receipt of a PB ban within hours.
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
Surely the libertarian position is that the website is free to set its own terms of engagement and that's it. If you come on here and adopt an overtly pro-Russian position you'll be banned under the pretence that it's 'trolling' or somesuch. There is nothing stopping you setting up your own website where Ukrainian Super Friends get their arses kicked off.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Bakhmut is a meat grinder for Russian conscripts. The ground is said to be like bitumen - with the remains of flesh. That's what HIMARS will do.
And all so the Wagner Group can claim their "success fees". They took 3 months to capture a quarry there - then lost it again in 48 hours. I hope they haven't been paid for that "success"....
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Oh, I think I could live with his suicide. Even if he couldn't.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
I think the ukrainian offensive has stalled...you fail to realise we cant control Russia so expecting Putin to suddenly turn into a cuddly teddy bear is a bit futile...and dont you care about the ukrainian children...think of them shivering in the cold and dark...
What makes you think we can control Ukraine now either?
Has it occurred to you that in the awful state of the Russian army the Ukrainians may no longer need Western arms to oust the occupying forces?
Edit - incidentally, Ukraine are still advancing. They are advancing more slowly because the rasputista has started. But they made further gains near both Kherson and Kreminna.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
Something set on fire in Sevastopol naval base this morning. How will Putin reward the lackey who gives him that news?
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Oh, I think I could live with his suicide. Even if he couldn't.
That Vanity Fair article is explosive. It came from the lab, almost certainly
What will this do to West/China relations?
What will it do to virology, and science at large?
Tony Fauci needs to go on trial and - if convicted - do time, as do many top boffins around the world who conspired in the cover-up - Vallance and Farrar in the UK, for a start - and many others
Peter Daszak and others close to the crime need Nuremberg Trials with potential execution at the end, if convicted. Twenty MILLION people have died. Worse than World War One
Something will only happen when it becomes convenient for the west to fall out with China. At the moment it will be consigned to the fringes of the debate and dismissed as a conspiracy theory.
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
'The UK will not seek readmission to the EU in your or my lifetime, and even if they did (which they won't), they wouldn't take us.'
That's about all that can be said, all that needs to be said on the subject.
There probably isn't a bigger Europhile on this Site than me and I have zero interest in rejoining, and zero expection that it will happen.
We have made our bed. Now we lie in it.
Should it continue to grow more uncomfortable, we might just decide to change beds.
Nothing is forever.
While I have no expectations of much, if any movement in the next five years, those looking ahead towards the end of this decade will likely have a very different perspective.
Can we please spare a thought for the people of Kalinnigrad. Currently defenceless after their 11 Army Corps was destroyed in Ukraine. Given the aggressive intentions of the Nato alliance that surrounds them on all sides it can't be long before they face an incursion.
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
Reading your post I would suggest you hang out with deeply unpleasant people
That Vanity Fair article is explosive. It came from the lab, almost certainly
What will this do to West/China relations?
What will it do to virology, and science at large?
Tony Fauci needs to go on trial and - if convicted - do time, as do many top boffins around the world who conspired in the cover-up - Vallance and Farrar in the UK, for a start - and many others
Peter Daszak and others close to the crime need Nuremberg Trials with potential execution at the end, if convicted. Twenty MILLION people have died. Worse than World War One
Something will only happen when it becomes convenient for the west to fall out with China. At the moment it will be consigned to the fringes of the debate and dismissed as a conspiracy theory.
It is no longer a conspiracy theory. That Vanity Fair article - on top of so much other evidence - is pretty conclusive. The evidence all points to a lab leak. A small but bitter minority of virologists - nearly all (all?) linked to China - pretend otherwise. For a year there was a massive cover-up to stop us even thinking about the lab leak, involving senior scientists, politicians, et al, right across the West
I have no idea how this will play out. Unprecedented
That Vanity Fair article is explosive. It came from the lab, almost certainly
What will this do to West/China relations?
What will it do to virology, and science at large?
Tony Fauci needs to go on trial and - if convicted - do time, as do many top boffins around the world who conspired in the cover-up - Vallance and Farrar in the UK, for a start - and many others
Peter Daszak and others close to the crime need Nuremberg Trials with potential execution at the end, if convicted. Twenty MILLION people have died. Worse than World War One
Something will only happen when it becomes convenient for the west to fall out with China. At the moment it will be consigned to the fringes of the debate and dismissed as a conspiracy theory.
Fauci had a lab in Wuhan....many think covid was the opening act of ww3
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
Because obviously, Ukraine being invaded would have no impact on the rest of the world. It's only those Ukrainians and their children that you claim to care about so much that get raped, tortured and murdered. So why don't we just leave them to it?
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
Reading your post I would suggest you hang out with deeply unpleasant people
Not really the liberal elite hide behind diversity as it increases their own power....its pure self interest on their part
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
You're new here, aren't you?
Hello and welcome.
Most of us have learned not to take things Leon says that seriously.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
I think the ukrainian offensive has stalled...you fail to realise we cant control Russia so expecting Putin to suddenly turn into a cuddly teddy bear is a bit futile...and dont you care about the ukrainian children...think of them shivering in the cold and dark...
Everyone said the Kharkiv offensive had stalled too. Until those months of Ukrainians probing for weak spots, working out who to encircle, mapping out the battlefield, all came together in a blitzkrieg that rocked the Russian army to its core. So much so, it needed to top up the 200,000 initial soldiers it threw into war with Ukraine with 300,000 more - at least, those who weren't savvy enough/too poor/too pissed to get out of Russia's borders.
There's a swathe of 20-45 year olds who were smart, entrepreneurial, driven - they have left Russia. Once they have lived in a society free of Putin's goons, they aren't coming back.
What's left back in Russia are the poor, the stupid, the alcoholic. You can see it in the poor quality of the remaining bots.
Can we please spare a thought for the people of Kalinnigrad. Currently defenceless after their 11 Army Corps was destroyed in Ukraine. Given the aggressive intentions of the Nato alliance that surrounds them on all sides it can't be long before they face an incursion.
Calais survived for centuries as an English city, even though half the time its garrison was in England propping up the King.
Because the French didn't actually want it that badly...
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
Reading your post I would suggest you hang out with deeply unpleasant people
Not really the liberal elite hide behind diversity as it increases their own power....its pure self interest on their part
You hang around with the liberal elite? That really is deep cover.
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
Reading your post I would suggest you hang out with deeply unpleasant people
You're wrong. He doesn't hang out with anyone. The "some people say that..." is the "I think that..." when you know everyone will call you an arse for saying it.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
Because obviously, Ukraine being invaded would have no impact on the rest of the world. It's only those Ukrainians and their children that you claim to care about so much that get raped, tortured and murdered. So why don't we just leave them to it?
Is that the empathy you're talking about?
If the russian army is so useless how would they threaten the rest of the world
That Vanity Fair article is explosive. It came from the lab, almost certainly
What will this do to West/China relations?
What will it do to virology, and science at large?
Tony Fauci needs to go on trial and - if convicted - do time, as do many top boffins around the world who conspired in the cover-up - Vallance and Farrar in the UK, for a start - and many others
Peter Daszak and others close to the crime need Nuremberg Trials with potential execution at the end, if convicted. Twenty MILLION people have died. Worse than World War One
Something will only happen when it becomes convenient for the west to fall out with China. At the moment it will be consigned to the fringes of the debate and dismissed as a conspiracy theory.
Fauci had a lab in Wuhan....many think covid was the opening act of ww3
That Vanity Fair article is explosive. It came from the lab, almost certainly
What will this do to West/China relations?
What will it do to virology, and science at large?
Tony Fauci needs to go on trial and - if convicted - do time, as do many top boffins around the world who conspired in the cover-up - Vallance and Farrar in the UK, for a start - and many others
Peter Daszak and others close to the crime need Nuremberg Trials with potential execution at the end, if convicted. Twenty MILLION people have died. Worse than World War One
Something will only happen when it becomes convenient for the west to fall out with China. At the moment it will be consigned to the fringes of the debate and dismissed as a conspiracy theory.
Fauci had a lab in Wuhan....many think covid was the opening act of ww3
"many"?
You need to broaden your circle of friends internet chat rooms.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
Because obviously, Ukraine being invaded would have no impact on the rest of the world. It's only those Ukrainians and their children that you claim to care about so much that get raped, tortured and murdered. So why don't we just leave them to it?
Is that the empathy you're talking about?
If the russian army is so useless how would they threaten the rest of the world
Russian warheads: frightening Russian army: an absolute joke
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
Reading your post I would suggest you hang out with deeply unpleasant people
You're wrong. He doesn't hang out with anyone. The "some people say that..." is the "I think that..." when you know everyone will call you an arse for saying it.
You clearly dont know the british people like i do...many are fuming inside
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
Because obviously, Ukraine being invaded would have no impact on the rest of the world. It's only those Ukrainians and their children that you claim to care about so much that get raped, tortured and murdered. So why don't we just leave them to it?
Is that the empathy you're talking about?
If the russian army is so useless how would they threaten the rest of the world
We're not talking about the rest of the world. We're talking about Ukraine.
It would be nice if you showed some empathy with the Ukrainian people. After all, you were yourself calling for it.
But apparently you don't care if they're raped, tortured, murdered, driven from their homes, unable to sell their grain and can't grow food for themselves, as long as the Russians are doing it.
That's - interesting.
I think my one plus point is you haven't talked about BA yet, but otherwise, you're a real disappointment. We had much classier Russian bots on here recently. Dynamo could even hold an intelligent conversation for 30 seconds, although he had a Father Jack like tendency to revert to type after that.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
I think the ukrainian offensive has stalled...you fail to realise we cant control Russia so expecting Putin to suddenly turn into a cuddly teddy bear is a bit futile...and dont you care about the ukrainian children...think of them shivering in the cold and dark...
Everyone said the Kharkiv offensive had stalled too. Until those months of Ukrainians probing for weak spots, working out who to encircle, mapping out the battlefield, all came together in a blitzkrieg that rocked the Russian army to its core. So much so, it needed to top up the 200,000 initial soldiers it threw into war with Ukraine with 300,000 more - at least, those who weren't savvy enough/too poor/too pissed to get out of Russia's borders.
There's a swathe of 20-45 year olds who were smart, entrepreneurial, driven - they have left Russia. Once they have lived in a society free of Putin's goons, they aren't coming back.
What's left back in Russia are the poor, the stupid, the alcoholic. You can see it in the poor quality of the remaining bots.
Absolutely.
For the future of Mother Russia this war has been a disaster and losing its brightest and best young people will be catastropic. But the nations they come to,will be the beneficiaries.
Things looking bleak in Kyiv at the moment. This from the telegraph
Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.
The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.
“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.
“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”
How that must cheer your little dark heart....
It worries me greatly. We could have a humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine this winter...yet both sides have rigid negotiating positions
What negotiating position do you suggest Ukraine adopt?
It's going to have to be more or less (probably less) the 2014 borders because the Ukrainians aren't going all the way to Moscow (or even Rostov) and the Russians aren't going all the way to Kiev.
Yes agreed and rhetoric needs to be toned down on zelenskys side...we cant do anything about putin
While the country that invaded them continues to call for the complete destruction of the Ukrainian state, you opine that Zelensky needs to "tone down the rhetoric".
Pitiful stuff.
The fact is that Ukraine has a negotiating position, which as in any negotiation will always be maximalist at the outset. Russia's position effectively requires Ukraine's surrender. That is not a negotiation
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
Reading your post I would suggest you hang out with deeply unpleasant people
You're wrong. He doesn't hang out with anyone. The "some people say that..." is the "I think that..." when you know everyone will call you an arse for saying it.
You clearly dont know the british people like i do...many are fuming inside
I think it is fair to say, Comrade, that you are right and he doesn't know the British people like you do.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
Acceding to nuclear blackmail would also be a gamble.
We have now had 7 polls since Rishi Sunak took over. Here’s the average VI (compared to average VI in the last 7 polls under Truss):
Lab 51.4% (-1.6) Con 24.3% (+2.9) LD 8.9% (-0.7) Ref 5.2% (+1.2) SNP 4.4% (+0.4) Grn 4.3% (+0.2)
In other words, not much change. Certainly not enough to calm Tory nerves.
How long will the party wait without an upswing before they become restless again? A month? Six months? Certainly not a year.
A 27% point deficit for the governing party during their leader's honeymoon period should set the alarm bells ringing.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Sunak is a dead duck. In conversations ive had with people they say to me they dont trust him together with some aspersions to "that indian" This is a deeply divided country now
I think that says rather more about the people which you hang out with than anything else.
Not really i hang with normal people not the liberal left elite. Ordinary people dont want Sunak
Reading your post I would suggest you hang out with deeply unpleasant people
You're wrong. He doesn't hang out with anyone. The "some people say that..." is the "I think that..." when you know everyone will call you an arse for saying it.
You clearly dont know the british people like i do...many are fuming inside
Farooq, like the rest of us, probably don’t know them as you do, we are Brits and live with them.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
Because obviously, Ukraine being invaded would have no impact on the rest of the world. It's only those Ukrainians and their children that you claim to care about so much that get raped, tortured and murdered. So why don't we just leave them to it?
Is that the empathy you're talking about?
If the russian army is so useless how would they threaten the rest of the world
We're not talking about the rest of the world. We're talking about Ukraine.
It would be nice if you showed some empathy with the Ukrainian people. After all, you were yourself calling for it.
But apparently you don't care if they're raped, tortured, murdered, driven from their homes, unable to sell their grain and can't grow food for themselves, as long as the Russians are doing it.
That's - interesting.
I think my one plus point is you haven't talked about BA yet, but otherwise, you're a real disappointment. We had much classier Russian bots on here recently. Dynamo could even hold an intelligent conversation for 30 seconds, although he had a Father Jack like tendency to revert to type after that.
West appears disunited now People abroad have been hearing awful things from that rapper Kanye West So even the scourge of anti semitism is rising in the west now
But this one isn't a particularly interesting one. I don't think we need to keep it too long.
It's quite amusing tying it in knots with questions it can't answer and therefore elects to ignore. I've still had no answer to why Ukraine should abandon its claim to Crimea. Possibly because there isn't one, of course.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
Putin has the ability to bring a quick end, in fact he keeps banging on about it.
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
Yes as Leon says we are gambling with a nuclear escalation over a non nato country....maybe worth it if western europe was being invaded but over ukraine??
Because obviously, Ukraine being invaded would have no impact on the rest of the world. It's only those Ukrainians and their children that you claim to care about so much that get raped, tortured and murdered. So why don't we just leave them to it?
Is that the empathy you're talking about?
If the russian army is so useless how would they threaten the rest of the world
We're not talking about the rest of the world. We're talking about Ukraine.
It would be nice if you showed some empathy with the Ukrainian people. After all, you were yourself calling for it.
But apparently you don't care if they're raped, tortured, murdered, driven from their homes, unable to sell their grain and can't grow food for themselves, as long as the Russians are doing it.
That's - interesting.
I think my one plus point is you haven't talked about BA yet, but otherwise, you're a real disappointment. We had much classier Russian bots on here recently. Dynamo could even hold an intelligent conversation for 30 seconds, although he had a Father Jack like tendency to revert to type after that.
West appears disunited now People abroad have been hearing awful things from that rapper Kanye West So even the scourge of anti semitism is rising in the west now
Ok, that's another one ticked off, he's ranting about antisemitism. Very soon, there will be talk of Holocaust survivors, who oddly can't be named or linked to, complaining at Russia's actions being called a genocide.
I don't know why we're suddenly disunited after 40 minutes. Heck, even @Dura_Ace and I have agreed a negotiating position for Ukraine now. Given he's been a consistent pessimist about their chances, I'd say we're becoming more united.
Away from that. The polling figures remain extraordinary. I know it takes a couple of weeks, but the sheer scale of the lack of bounce so far has astonished me. If we hadn't had the nineties they'd be unprecedented.
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
Agreed.
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
But they are not going to do. They have reinforced their positions. Do you support nato troops on the ground to force them out
Well, you were the one calling for empathy and an end to the suffering.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
Yes but we cant control wjat the russians do. You dont want a peace deal but i doubt you want poor ukrainian children to freeze to death this winter. So isnt the next logicalstep nato troops on the ground
No, but they can. So why not tell them to 'show some empathy?'
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
I think the ukrainian offensive has stalled...you fail to realise we cant control Russia so expecting Putin to suddenly turn into a cuddly teddy bear is a bit futile...and dont you care about the ukrainian children...think of them shivering in the cold and dark...
What makes you think we can control Ukraine now either?
Has it occurred to you that in the awful state of the Russian army the Ukrainians may no longer need Western arms to oust the occupying forces? ....
That is pretty unlikely. Apart from anything else, they would run out of ammunition within weeks.
As an aside, here's an interesting analysis of the performance of western kit.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/10/how-is-russia-faring-against-nato.html?m=1 ...After a steady supply of nearly every type of armament from Western countries imaginable, and with plenty of combat experience to properly deploy these new weapons systems on the battlefield, the Ukrainian Army is arguably at its strongest point since the 24th of February. [1] In contrast, the Russian Army has lost its morale and image of strength in Ukraine. In an effort to assure its domestic audience of its capabilities, the Russian MoD has had to resort to gross exaggerations and outright lies to brush up its combat performance in Ukraine. Examples are the reported destruction and capture of 20 HIMARS out of 16 HIMARS delivered (at the time of the claim) to Ukraine, and the shootdown of 1000 Bayraktar TB2s out of some 50 TB2s delivered to Ukraine (with Baykar Tech only ever having produced 450 TB2s). [2]
With Russia meanwhile outgunned and outranged on most fronts, the biggest threat to the operations of Ukrainian HIMARS, M270 and Western-donated tube artillery does not appear to be the destruction by Russian counter-battery fire or loitering munitions, but rather a lack of ammunition and barrel wear as a result of continued operations. Only a dozen out of the approximately 160 155mm M777 towed howitzers delivered to Ukraine are visually confirmed to have been destroyed. [3] And despite claiming the destruction of 20 HIMARS launchers, Russia has brought forward no evidence that supports the destruction of even a single HIMARS. The only units that have in fact been suffering losses at the hands of Russian military forces are Ukraine's mechanised units, which have been the recipient mainly of ex-Soviet equipment and are currently leading the charge in Kherson....
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https://stanforddaily.com/2022/10/24/former-stanford-mba-student-selected-uks-next-prime-minister/
Most homes* have unisex toilets too.
*I can’t be sure there aren’t some weirdos who split their toilets up at home.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10/covid-origins-investigation-wuhan-lab
Bearing in mind, they have been invaded for no obvious reason by a neighbour led by a man who is clearly one sandwich short of a picnic and who has broken every single treaty he's ever signed.
When asked about his time at Stanford during his initial run in August, most GSB deans and professors told The Guardian they did not have many personal memories of Sunak. B
Heathener talks the talk, but won’t walk the walk. She should have took the bet if she was arguing sincerely.
I think that's a sound negotiating position. I'm sure the Ukrainians would be happy with that.
PS - Incidentally, Zelensky has no claim on Crimea. We're talking about Ukraine not a personal fiefdom.
How's your Mandarin?
For all the so called Libertarian facade of the site
Its not really
But think of the poor children in ukraine suffering and dying in the cold this winter...lets have some empathy for them
You've just said that was a sound negotiating position.
So why would he need to tone down his rhetoric?
The sooner the Russians feck off and stop causing them misery, the better.
Heck, there are even three posters who are known to say rude things about Radiohead.
And that's with Sunak's personal ratings actually dragging up the Conservative vote. Those ratings date back to his actions with furlough etc, and I don't think they'll hold up after the economic entrenchment to come. Efforts from the person who was Chancellor for most of this parliament to dodge the bullet and claim that the economic mess is all Truss's fault are risible.
Nor do I think he has much political nous. For a start, he's standing in the way of the king taking up the invite to COPT26, at the same time as signalling a renewal of the restrictions on onshore windfarms that have all but killed off new developments. Unnecessary and avoidable own goals that will have already alienated any voter who thinks that tackling climate change should be a priority.
Why not ask the Russians to show some? After all, it's in their power to stop this war tomorrow.
I haven't used it this month, but that's for the first October ever.
If you think people in the U.K. haven’t been directly affected by the illegal Russian assault on Ukraine you clearly don’t live here. Millions are having to make tough decisions about eating vs heating. Millions are worried about being able to pay bills. Most people hear are backing Ukraine as they are the innocent victims of nationalist aggression, just as Russia was in 1941.
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1586033132171849728?s=61&t=-_QCiLtrq2iOnjVNKSjnDQ
Another Gazette commission
This is Ukraine defending its territory.
The only outcome I can see as acceptable to Ukraine is military defeat for Russia, and a diplomatic post-war settlement that neuters their ability to do this again.
If you think there should be protests against the continuation of the war, wouldn't they be more effective in Moscow and Minsk than in London and Paris?
Especially since the people of Russia are suffering, and will continue to suffer, until the war is abandoned and Russia can start rebuilding its wrecked economy. Which won't happen until they've left Ukraine, including Crimea.
As for negotiations, the Ukrainians are the ones on the offensive except in one pocket around Bakhmut, while Russian logistics look to be imploding. Isn't it rather Russia that should be seeking a quick end to the war before they implode?
The whole "poke the bear" narrative plugs into this view. An animal is pure and amoral. It will react in a way untroubled by human vice or virtue. All choice and doubt therefore falls onto those who would interact with it. It's a narrative that seeks to avoid awkward moral questions by dehumanising the leadership of the Russian state and depicting it as you would weather. Russia just happens. It's up to Ukrainians to accommodate and adapt. It's pure bollocks.
Four from me as usual. Seasons getting proper stuff now. Knitting whilst watching the racing. My gran would be so proud of me 😇
1.50 Wetherby
Macavity long shot of week
Hurdling Debut for points winner. 7-1 drew me in closer.
2.05 Ascot
Anyharminasking NAP
Why am I giving this one napoleon? There’s no harm in asking as this is an up and coming superstar of the racing universe!
2.40 Ascot
Amoola Gold
Another one from last seasons book. With little recent runs from fancied runners, I trust my previous due diligence in race history
3.15 Ascot
Major Dundee E/W
Is Dundee another Major up and coming superstar? My each way bet of the week and will be surprised if not placed in this big race of the day.
Enjoy Saturday 😘
It must be very confusing in your country right now. Particularly given you are clearly worried about power, food and the implosion of the army.
What will this do to West/China relations?
What will it do to virology, and science at large?
Tony Fauci needs to go on trial and - if convicted - do time, as do many top boffins around the world who conspired in the cover-up - Vallance and Farrar in the UK, for a start - and many others
Peter Daszak and others close to the crime need Nuremberg Trials with potential execution at the end, if convicted. Twenty MILLION people have died. Worse than World War One
I am not in favour of that scenario though, but the more you corner a rat
If so, Russia have ingeniously got to the situation where they're fucked if the weather's good, and fucked if it's bad.
Which you've got to admire in a way. It takes talent to get to such a perfectly balanced disaster.
And all so the Wagner Group can claim their "success fees". They took 3 months to capture a quarry there - then lost it again in 48 hours. I hope they haven't been paid for that "success"....
Oh sorry, are you referring to nukes?
Has it occurred to you that in the awful state of the Russian army the Ukrainians may no longer need Western arms to oust the occupying forces?
Edit - incidentally, Ukraine are still advancing. They are advancing more slowly because the rasputista has started. But they made further gains near both Kherson and Kreminna.
Nothing is forever.
While I have no expectations of much, if any movement in the next five years, those looking ahead towards the end of this decade will likely have a very different perspective.
I have no idea how this will play out. Unprecedented
Is that the empathy you're talking about?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Rishi_Sunak
41% popularity with Conservatives, 7% with Labour, 13% with Lib Dems.
Hello and welcome.
Most of us have learned not to take things Leon says that seriously.
With interest, but not seriously.
There's a swathe of 20-45 year olds who were smart, entrepreneurial, driven - they have left Russia. Once they have lived in a society free of Putin's goons, they aren't coming back.
What's left back in Russia are the poor, the stupid, the alcoholic. You can see it in the poor quality of the remaining bots.
Because the French didn't actually want it that badly...
You need to broaden your circle of
friendsinternet chat rooms.Russian army: an absolute joke
It would be nice if you showed some empathy with the Ukrainian people. After all, you were yourself calling for it.
But apparently you don't care if they're raped, tortured, murdered, driven from their homes, unable to sell their grain and can't grow food for themselves, as long as the Russians are doing it.
That's - interesting.
I think my one plus point is you haven't talked about BA yet, but otherwise, you're a real disappointment. We had much classier Russian bots on here recently. Dynamo could even hold an intelligent conversation for 30 seconds, although he had a Father Jack like tendency to revert to type after that.
For the future of Mother Russia this war has been a disaster and losing its brightest and best young people will be catastropic. But the nations they come to,will be the beneficiaries.
Pitiful stuff.
The fact is that Ukraine has a negotiating position, which as in any negotiation will always be maximalist at the outset.
Russia's position effectively requires Ukraine's surrender. That is not a negotiation
Because you don't know us at all.
They keep turning up and the only question is how long they remain
People abroad have been hearing awful things from that rapper Kanye West
So even the scourge of anti semitism is rising in the west now
But this one isn't a particularly interesting one. I don't think we need to keep it too long.
It's quite amusing tying it in knots with questions it can't answer and therefore elects to ignore. I've still had no answer to why Ukraine should abandon its claim to Crimea. Possibly because there isn't one, of course.
I don't know why we're suddenly disunited after 40 minutes. Heck, even @Dura_Ace and I have agreed a negotiating position for Ukraine now. Given he's been a consistent pessimist about their chances, I'd say we're becoming more united.
If we hadn't had the nineties they'd be unprecedented.
Apart from anything else, they would run out of ammunition within weeks.
As an aside, here's an interesting analysis of the performance of western kit.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/10/how-is-russia-faring-against-nato.html?m=1
...After a steady supply of nearly every type of armament from Western countries imaginable, and with plenty of combat experience to properly deploy these new weapons systems on the battlefield, the Ukrainian Army is arguably at its strongest point since the 24th of February. [1] In contrast, the Russian Army has lost its morale and image of strength in Ukraine. In an effort to assure its domestic audience of its capabilities, the Russian MoD has had to resort to gross exaggerations and outright lies to brush up its combat performance in Ukraine. Examples are the reported destruction and capture of 20 HIMARS out of 16 HIMARS delivered (at the time of the claim) to Ukraine, and the shootdown of 1000 Bayraktar TB2s out of some 50 TB2s delivered to Ukraine (with Baykar Tech only ever having produced 450 TB2s). [2]
With Russia meanwhile outgunned and outranged on most fronts, the biggest threat to the operations of Ukrainian HIMARS, M270 and Western-donated tube artillery does not appear to be the destruction by Russian counter-battery fire or loitering munitions, but rather a lack of ammunition and barrel wear as a result of continued operations. Only a dozen out of the approximately 160 155mm M777 towed howitzers delivered to Ukraine are visually confirmed to have been destroyed. [3] And despite claiming the destruction of 20 HIMARS launchers, Russia has brought forward no evidence that supports the destruction of even a single HIMARS. The only units that have in fact been suffering losses at the hands of Russian military forces are Ukraine's mechanised units, which have been the recipient mainly of ex-Soviet equipment and are currently leading the charge in Kherson....