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Swiss_Bob said:
Er, UKIP seem to be to be mostly comprised of C1/C2s, and there's nothing wrong with that, unless you hate the working class.Itajai said:Charles said:
It's the Tories' failure to engage with the C1/C2s that has meant they have struggled to build a winning electoral platform for 20 years.AndyJS said:I tend to think of what's happening at the moment as the revenge of the lower-middle and upper-working classes. They've been either ignored or ridiculed ever since John Major left Downing Street in favour of the concerns of those at the very top and very bottom of society.
I don't believe that group is especially political - they was competant and efficient government, sensible economic policy (and I include immigration within that) and a leader who appears engaged with their needs.
The problem is the Tories despise them. Well, so do the LDs and Labour. Not yet sure about UKIP.
Possibly. Though all UKIPers I have ever met seem to be ABs. That may reflect my circle of friends though.0 -
OMD were an 80s band - mostly!nigel4england said:
Political Manoeuvres in the Dark?TheScreamingEagles said:So what 90s pop music references shall I put into the next thread.
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You're the most infamous Blairite on here Plato...Plato said:Ditto - I'm a pragmatist here and always.
Richard_Nabavi said:
To be honest I'm not particularly fussed about the Conservative Party per se - that is just a means to an end. It's the prospect of going back to a period, which could be quite a long period, of bad government, in circumstances which are going to be particularly difficult, which is my concern. I wouldn't be so worried if Labour looked vaguely in a state fit to govern even in their own terms. They don't.Jonathan said:It's all very Tea Party esque. It will be painful initially, but if the Tories lose the right - and it doesn't kill them - they will be better off long term.
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Both were Tories?Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.
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I wonder how The Mirror found out, was it a case of an aggrieved party passing them the pictures of the unruly member for Braintree. On the other hand if they had allegedly gathered them electronically...
Wonder what he thinks of a free press, though I do wonder when The Mirror had the tip off. Being very cynical, I might have forgotten about why Trinity Mirror were in trouble earlier this week. Every little bit of sleaze helps...
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Farage and frottage day for the Tories.RodCrosby said:
What a silly wanker...manofkent2014 said:Can it get worse for Dave:
Conservative minister resigns over sex scandal
Brooks Newmark, the Conservative minister for civil society, resigns over a sex scandal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11125919/Conservative-minister-resigns-over-sex-scandal.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY6_9Qvj8I4Stark_Dawning said:
Rubbish! Profumo was just a bloke going through a bit of a mid-life crisis - proto David Mellor stuff.Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.0 -
This would probably be Nigel Farage's 90's Song of the Day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEC4TZsy-Y
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Oops - you will see that as a tautology and I'm flashing my PB cards again.
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ComRes poll to be published at 7.30pm0
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It's not really related to to any one individual it just looks very self indulgent and self absorbed.Charles said:
Why, as a floating voter, do the most exotic beasts leaving make the menagerie less attractive?GIN1138 said:
Well I'm a floating voter looking at the British Right once again tearing themselves apart as they've done time and time again since 1990 and the fact is, Tory or UKIP, they are totally unfit for government.manofkent2014 said:
People rarely turn their back on something because its functional and working. In any case if the Tories were good enough the defection of Reckless would be immaterial.GIN1138 said:
"Clapped out" or not, Labour's sweeping to power next year thanks to the recklessness of Reckless.hunchman said:Just watched the BBC clip of Reckless announcing his defection. Was more akin to the Darts at the Ally Palace brimming with energy! What a contrast with the dreary clapped out Labour conference in Manchester this week. And you can't imagine the atmosphere at the Tory conference being much different.
Why do the Tories always have to blame everybody else? Its UKIPs fault they will lose the election, its the Libdems fault they can't do the policies they want. Its the EU's fault they can't do anything about immigration etc etc etc
Given the Tories seem to have no control over their own fate why would anyone want to vote for them?When are the Tories going to grow a pair and take responsibility for their own failures?
At least Labour hold themselves together even when they despise the things their leader is doing.
Each of these defections just makes me more likely to vote Labour next year - And I'm someone that is sympathetic to having a referendum on the EU, but the Right is just so pathetically self-indulgent that they really deserve nothing more than irrelevance and oblivion which is exactly what they will get when Ed's putting up the curtains in Downing St.
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I don't think this is particularly a Tory problem (don't forget the LibDems have already fractured): it's the strains of coalition and the necessary compromises that is alienting the puristskle4 said:
Well of course Mervyn King said pretty much the same thing, about whoever won in 2010 possibly being out of power for a generation due to what they would have to do, and there is some sense to it, but it does seem more and more Tories have begun to give up on struggling through to a win in 2015 being possible, and are now just trying to see the silver lining, like Labour figures interpreting the 2010 loss as, actually, a good thing.hunchman said:
The survival of the Tory party long term depends on losing the GE next May and not being in government. So the current events could prove to be a blessing in disguise for them.Richard_Nabavi said:
The odd thing is that they aren't particularly splitting over Europe; indeed UKIP seems to have given up being interested in the EU.Jonathan said:Tory party splitting over Europe. Who'd have thought it possible.
It's actually quite hard to know what they are splitting over.
Anyway, the net result is clearly that Labour benefit, which in the current circumstances is pretty disastrous.
Anyone who's got to face the mess when economic confidence and the economy turns down from October next year is going to get it to them on so many fronts (far worse than 2008) that it will be far more preferable to pick up the pieces in 2020.
Given the Tory party is more at war with itself than Labour were, amazingly, (or at least openly), it may well be that they need yet more time out of office to rebuild. How depressing for their supporters that after so long in opposition they still had been unable to build a united party able to survive the struggles of a single term of government.0 -
Well, UKIP also have professional politicians regularly criticising others for being professional politicians, and are accepting Westminster elites with joy (albeit unconventional ones - Reckless may have only been elected in 2010, but was a candidate at several GEs before, so a professional politico) at the moment, so some things are ok in specific scenarios, just not in general.matt said:As an aside, didn't UKIP whine about their conference being "disrupted" by parliament sitting but planned to do this to the Conservatives. A touch hypocritical perhaps.
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Hodges has resigned from Labour.SeanT said:
How can this make sense?Plato said:Well quite - another numpty. TBH, I'm glad they effed off to the Kippers - now they've no voice in the Tories.
alex said:Reckless listed a whole load of things that the Conservatives couldn't do, even if they wanted to, because they don't have a Parliamentary majority. Said he "couldn't promise it as a Conservative, but could as UKIP".
Wonder where he thinks these 330+ UKIP seats are going to come from...
Labour will win power (almost inevitably, now, in 2015) with a party including Dennis Skinner, Kate Hoey, Ed Balls, Len McCluskey, Owen Jones and Dan Hodges (kinda). From peaceniks to warmongers, from deficit deniers to mild deficit hawks. And europhile to eurosceptic.
That's how you win, in the British electoral system. You pilot an aircraft carrier which accommodates biplanes and Stealth Fighters, even if they are strategically conflicting.
Cameron's BIG problem is that his effete Etonian leadership has alienated an entire school of right-wing thinking: he is Captain Bligh facing the Mutiny on the Bounty, and thus the Right has spit. He is, in other words, crap.0 -
Tories are shit. They don´t have the killer instinct Labour does.SeanT said:
How can this make sense?Plato said:Well quite - another numpty. TBH, I'm glad they effed off to the Kippers - now they've no voice in the Tories.
alex said:Reckless listed a whole load of things that the Conservatives couldn't do, even if they wanted to, because they don't have a Parliamentary majority. Said he "couldn't promise it as a Conservative, but could as UKIP".
Wonder where he thinks these 330+ UKIP seats are going to come from...
Labour will win power (almost inevitably, now, in 2015) with a party including Dennis Skinner, Kate Hoey, Ed Balls, Len McCluskey, Owen Jones and Dan Hodges (kinda). From peaceniks to warmongers, from deficit deniers to mild deficit hawks. And europhile to eurosceptic.
That's how you win, in the British electoral system. You pilot an aircraft carrier which accommodates biplanes and Stealth Fighters, even if they are strategically conflicting.
Cameron's BIG problem is that his effete Etonian leadership has alienated an entire school of right-wing thinking: he is Captain Bligh facing the Mutiny on the Bounty, and thus the Right has spit. He is, in other words, crap.
Rotherham ~an open goal, yet they don´t bother.
Labour says nothing on the economy and immigration ~ another open goal they will ignore
All Labour need to do is promise the magic money tree and their vote bank will come out. Tories will be too busy apologising about themselves.0 -
Best comment of the day:
Rob Preece @RobPreeceOnline 4m
Reckless. Newmark. The Conservatives are having an even worse conference than Labour did. And it hasn't even started yet.0 -
Mr. T, Cameron should've handled things better. On the other hand, Carswell certainly appears to have jumped ship for reasons largely involving continuing the political career of Carswell. It seems to be ego-driven more than anything else.0
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I suspect the Tories would be having these problems whoever was leading them, to be honest.SeanT said:
How can this make sense?Plato said:Well quite - another numpty. TBH, I'm glad they effed off to the Kippers - now they've no voice in the Tories.
alex said:Reckless listed a whole load of things that the Conservatives couldn't do, even if they wanted to, because they don't have a Parliamentary majority. Said he "couldn't promise it as a Conservative, but could as UKIP".
Wonder where he thinks these 330+ UKIP seats are going to come from...
Labour will win power (almost inevitably, now, in 2015) with a party including Dennis Skinner, Kate Hoey, Ed Balls, Len McCluskey, Owen Jones and Dan Hodges (kinda). From peaceniks to warmongers, from deficit deniers to mild deficit hawks. And europhile to eurosceptic.
That's how you win, in the British electoral system. You pilot an aircraft carrier which accommodates biplanes and Stealth Fighters, even if they are strategically conflicting.
Cameron's BIG problem is that his effete Etonian leadership has alienated an entire school of right-wing thinking: he is Captain Bligh facing the Mutiny on the Bounty, and thus the Right has spit. He is, in other words, crap.
Cameron has made some mistakes with his party management, but the Conservatives have been a unleadable rabble since 1990.
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There is nothing as amusing than conservatives (and republicans in the USA) in a sex scandal, because you would expect them not having any sex in the first place.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Both were Tories?Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.0 -
Definitely not the 90s.NickPalmer said:
Absolutely. Though I do admire Richard N's elegant response...Swiss_Bob said:
Easy, the 70s.TheScreamingEagles said:We should have a PB poll.
Which decade had the best music?
70s?
80s?
90s?0 -
Just for Dave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I0 -
This does look like a fake. But things are getting really bad if true.
@gloryoftheSon @Apires111 @Rscease @RKingLive2Dance @LyndaG1963 pic.twitter.com/OWHDfyLbnC
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Weiner was/is a democrat and he supplied hours of hilarity.Speedy said:
There is nothing as amusing than conservatives (and republicans in the USA) in a sex scandal.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Both were Tories?Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.
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Does anyone think the other rumoured defection might surface on Wednesday perhaps?
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No, not worse than Labour's. The potential future PM showed how lacking he is in the basic requirements to be leader. It's an 8 month interview which he screwed up in the first few minutes.MikeK said:Best comment of the day:
Rob Preece @RobPreeceOnline 4m
Reckless. Newmark. The Conservatives are having an even worse conference than Labour did. And it hasn't even started yet.
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It sometimes feels as though as a party the Tories have been a lot less willing to accommodate a broad spectrum of conservative ideals in recent times (I wouldn't know about beforehand). Anyone not going along with the new mainstream is regarded as not even a proper Tory (I've even seem comment sections on ConHome refer to Cameron as a LD), so it seems natural any differences that do break out will be more bitter, alienating and prone to lead to defections. Labour seem to have a better time accepting any and all under a banner of anti-Toryism - given they have leaped around the left-right spectrum on certain issues, I don't think it is a banner of leftism.GIN1138 said:
I suspect the Tories would be having these problems whoever was leading them, to be honest.SeanT said:
How can this make sense?Plato said:Well quite - another numpty. TBH, I'm glad they effed off to the Kippers - now they've no voice in the Tories.
alex said:Reckless listed a whole load of things that the Conservatives couldn't do, even if they wanted to, because they don't have a Parliamentary majority. Said he "couldn't promise it as a Conservative, but could as UKIP".
Wonder where he thinks these 330+ UKIP seats are going to come from...
Labour will win power (almost inevitably, now, in 2015) with a party including Dennis Skinner, Kate Hoey, Ed Balls, Len McCluskey, Owen Jones and Dan Hodges (kinda). From peaceniks to warmongers, from deficit deniers to mild deficit hawks. And europhile to eurosceptic.
That's how you win, in the British electoral system. You pilot an aircraft carrier which accommodates biplanes and Stealth Fighters, even if they are strategically conflicting.
Cameron's BIG problem is that his effete Etonian leadership has alienated an entire school of right-wing thinking: he is Captain Bligh facing the Mutiny on the Bounty, and thus the Right has spit. He is, in other words, crap.
Cameron has made some mistakes with his party management, but the Conservatives have been a unleadable rabble since 1990.
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I presume the "scandal" isn't really sending rude selfies, as SeanT points out, it isn't exactly uncommon, and old Mr Underpants did it. That would be mildly embarrassing.
I presume it is that he has been playing away from home and sent some mucky photos, which will be leaked, adding to the "fun" part of the story for the Mirror. Maybe there is even more of an angle with whom he is being mucky, I guess we will find out shortly.
I would think that Dave is currently doing a very good impression of the old Nokia thrower, after last week where he got lucky and managed to play it quite well politically, now he is getting shafted by his own party.0 -
I think this vid is the most appropriate for the Tories tonight. I can remember the Sun headline calling the Tories, the dead parrot party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE0 -
Maybe while Cammo is making a major speech? I don't think so. People would see it for what it was, a cheap manipulative trick. UKIP are not that crass. Hopefully.manofkent2014 said:Does anyone think the other rumoured defection might surface on Wednesday perhaps?
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So is it safe to assume that if UKIP had a Labour member ready to defect they would have announced it during the Labour conference, so there's no hope of that interesting little even occurring?0
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Yes, I do.manofkent2014 said:Does anyone think the other rumoured defection might surface on Wednesday perhaps?
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I always considered the Milligan 'scandal' to be tragic rather than scandalous. Whilst he clearly had some unusual sexual preferences it was all done in private and had it not been for his sad death I see no reason why anyone would ever have found out.Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.
I remember very much being saddened rather than scandalized.0 -
Whereas all left wingers are obviously stunningly attractive...Speedy said:
There is nothing as amusing than conservatives (and republicans in the USA) in a sex scandal, because you would expect them not having any sex in the first place.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Both were Tories?Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.0 -
Any other defector would likely be a Kent MP who voted no yesterday.
Adam Holloway & Gordon Henderson fit the criteria0 -
No not while he was making the speech. Holding a press conference at 9.30 that morning though (two hours before his speech). It may be transparent politicking but it is still a powerful message and gives the impression that the Tories were falling apart at conference.MikeK said:
Maybe while Cammo is making a major speech? I don't think so. People would see it for what it was, a cheap manipulative trick. UKIP are not that crass. Hopefully.manofkent2014 said:Does anyone think the other rumoured defection might surface on Wednesday perhaps?
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Funny that Tories on here have got to the point where they're calling democracy "a publicity stunt". I'm sure when UKIP get a defection that doesn't resign, the very same Tories will say they were cowardly.0
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Not sure how you get to that conclusion. Carswell had a massive personal vote in Clacton and the Colonel Blimp character UKIP had put up against him had no chance of winning.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T, Cameron should've handled things better. On the other hand, Carswell certainly appears to have jumped ship for reasons largely involving continuing the political career of Carswell. It seems to be ego-driven more than anything else.
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Rumour has it that UKIP have a press conference booked in Birmingham tomorrow. Another defection?0
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There's got to be a risk of the Tories being pushed into third place in Rochester...0
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Re Defections.
I always wonder what Bill Cash is still doing in the Cameron led Tory party. He used to be the go to guy if the media wanted a Tory with an axe to grind, especially anything vaguely related to Europe gets him really frothing.0 -
Pure accident...look Dougal there's a perfectly strangelove explanation
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole 14m
Interesting choice of photograph there from Channel 4 news. pic.twitter.com/LQYMuxKw510 -
Am I right in thinking this guy really was a merchant banker?
You couldn't make it up.0 -
Cammo arriving in Brum live on Sky....0
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Rotherham – 23rd-25th September – sample size 550.
Conservative: 6% (-11)
Labour: 48% (+4)
UKIP: 37% (+31)
Liberal Democrat: 4% (-12)
Other Parties: 6% (-11)
David Cameron: Mr Six Percent0 -
About as accidental as that BBC technical "fault" that gave Farage a Hilter moustache.dr_spyn said:Pure accident...look Dougal there's a perfectly strangelove explanation
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole 14m
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Looks shell-shocked...0
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If UKIP could, they would. The Farage Party has no scruples.MikeK said:
Maybe while Cammo is making a major speech? I don't think so. People would see it for what it was, a cheap manipulative trick. UKIP are not that crass. Hopefully.manofkent2014 said:Does anyone think the other rumoured defection might surface on Wednesday perhaps?
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Strauss-Kahn is French and sex did for him.SeanT said:
Agreed. If you had to construct a headline around that story (if he wasn't an MP) it would be:Richard_Tyndall said:
I always considered the Milligan 'scandal' to be tragic rather than scandalous. Whilst he clearly had some unusual sexual preferences it was all done in private and had it not been for his sad death I see no reason why anyone would ever have found out.Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.
I remember very much being saddened rather than scandalized.
Man Likes To Wank In Unusual Way, But Dies.
Is that a front page story? No.
It's sad, it's mildly comic - but it is mainly sad. Sex makes nearly all of us do nutty things. We need to get over that, and grow up as a nation. In this, if nothing else, the French do have something to teach us. Sex is sex. It has fuck all to do with politics, unless you want to be governed by weird monks with no hormones.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/unfortunate-bbc-moustache-for-nigel-farage-8829452.htmlFrancisUrquhart said:
About as accidental as that BBC technical "fault" that gave Farage a Hilter moustache.dr_spyn said:Pure accident...look Dougal there's a perfectly strangelove explanation
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole 14m
Interesting choice of photograph there from Channel 4 news. pic.twitter.com/LQYMuxKw51
Absolutely innocent explanation, happens all the time, screen breaking up into a perfect black square just under the nose.0 -
Doubt it. Farage is supposed to be in Rochester with Reckless tomorrowhucks67 said:Rumour has it that UKIP have a press conference booked in Birmingham tomorrow. Another defection?
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The real scandal of Profumo is the way the Establishment conspired to scapegoat and convict Stephen Ward -- the papers are still sealed.Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.0 -
So...
Man of Principle resigns to fight a by-election.
Man of Peccadillos hangs around to pick-up a pay-check for the next 6 months...0 -
Terrible week for the Tories IMO0
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Not really. Political parties playing political games with each other is surely OK, arranging affairs of state for party political gain would be quite another.matt said:As an aside, didn't UKIP whine about their conference being "disrupted" by parliament sitting but planned to do this to the Conservatives. A touch hypocritical perhaps.
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Oxbridge PPE, Colombia MBA, investment banker, lawyer,Mark Reckless is clearly a man of the people and has had nothing to do with the Establishment or the political class,neither of which,having joined Ukip,applies to him now.He is now Fidel Reckless,the man for the disgruntled working classes and Ukip are the peoples' army.More Tory than the Tories."Not me,guv.Spare a bit a change for an ex-Tory MP"0
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Birmingham is en route to Rochester from Doncaster.manofkent2014 said:
Doubt it. Farage is supposed to be in Rochester with Reckless tomorrowhucks67 said:Rumour has it that UKIP have a press conference booked in Birmingham tomorrow. Another defection?
Anyway interesting times:
Faisal Islam @faisalislam · 59m
That's one principled resignation, one sacking, one defection, and one scandalised resignation in 24.5 hours in westminister0 -
It wouldn't happen and its got nothing to do with scruples. There is no point trying to directly compete with the Prime Minister making a speech. Look at yesterday. All the media outlets were focussed on Cameron.TheWatcher said:
If UKIP could, they would. The Farage Party has no scruples.MikeK said:
Maybe while Cammo is making a major speech? I don't think so. People would see it for what it was, a cheap manipulative trick. UKIP are not that crass. Hopefully.manofkent2014 said:Does anyone think the other rumoured defection might surface on Wednesday perhaps?
If you are going to drop another bombshell it needs to be timed just in advance so that the news is ready to go out at the same time as the speech is being rerun0 -
Probably but not necessarily. More recent defections (and successful by-elections) might convince them UKIP has a more interesting future for them.kle4 said:So is it safe to assume that if UKIP had a Labour member ready to defect they would have announced it during the Labour conference, so there's no hope of that interesting little even occurring?
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He'll fit in nicely with UKIP, bankrolled by Billionaire Sykes, and Stuart Wheeler (Old Etonian, Guards and a Jacobean Castle).volcanopete said:Oxbridge PPE, Colombia MBA, investment banker, lawyer,Mark Reckless is clearly a man of the people and has had nothing to do with the Establishment or the political class,neither of which,having joined Ukip,applies to him now.He is now Fidel Reckless,the man for the disgruntled working classes and Ukip are the peoples' army.More Tory than the Tories."Not me,guv.Spare a bit a change for an ex-Tory MP"
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http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/09/27/comres-poll-farage-as-popular-as-cameron/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Conservatives 29% (-3)
Labour 35% (+1)
Lib Dem 7% (-1)
UKIP 19% (+1)
Green 4% (+1)
Other 6% (+1)
Bad news for Tory party continues.0 -
Conservative MP for Braintree Brooks Newmark has resigned as minister for civil society over allegations to be published in a Sunday newspaper.
Tory MP Mark Reckless has said he is leaving his party to join UKIP, announcing his decision on the eve of the Conservatives' conference.
Opinion Polls show increase in Lab lead and show massive support for newly announced policies such as mansion tax.
Only on PB and in DH head does that translate into a disaster for Ed.0 -
Think you may find that Milligan's death was not as it appeared.Richard_Tyndall said:
I always considered the Milligan 'scandal' to be tragic rather than scandalous. Whilst he clearly had some unusual sexual preferences it was all done in private and had it not been for his sad death I see no reason why anyone would ever have found out.Speedy said:
The Milligan scandal was the worst of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Still this scandal has nothing on the Stephen Milligan or Mark Oaten scandals.
But nothing beats Profumo.
I remember very much being saddened rather than scandalized.0 -
You could spin that as no upward bounce for Labour, despite all Ed's "populist" policies and wall to wall coverage. Normally with conference coverage you see spikes in whatever party is on the telly going up 3-4 points.Speedy said:http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/09/27/comres-poll-farage-as-popular-as-cameron/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Conservatives 29% (-3)
Labour 35% (+1)
Lib Dem 7% (-1)
UKIP 19% (+1)
Green 4% (+1)
Other 6% (+1)
Bad news for Tory party continues.
I think in reality what we will see is in a month, assuming no earthquake (and a minor minister resigning for sending a nude selfie doesn't count as that these days*) back to the 3-4% lead for Labour, and it fairly likely that Labour will stagger over the line come the GE.
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You are correct. We have a bunch of thick tory backbenchers who are only interested in fruit loop selfish lunacy and Mr T after highlighjting the problem as ever stoops to blaming Cameron who is the head of a coalition.GIN1138 said:
I suspect the Tories would be having these problems whoever was leading them, to be honest.SeanT said:
How can this make sense?Plato said:Well quite - another numpty. TBH, I'm glad they effed off to the Kippers - now they've no voice in the Tories.
alex said:Reckless listed a whole load of things that the Conservatives couldn't do, even if they wanted to, because they don't have a Parliamentary majority. Said he "couldn't promise it as a Conservative, but could as UKIP".
Wonder where he thinks these 330+ UKIP seats are going to come from...
Labour will win power (almost inevitably, now, in 2015) with a party including Dennis Skinner, Kate Hoey, Ed Balls, Len McCluskey, Owen Jones and Dan Hodges (kinda). From peaceniks to warmongers, from deficit deniers to mild deficit hawks. And europhile to eurosceptic.
That's how you win, in the British electoral system. You pilot an aircraft carrier which accommodates biplanes and Stealth Fighters, even if they are strategically conflicting.
Cameron's BIG problem is that his effete Etonian leadership has alienated an entire school of right-wing thinking: he is Captain Bligh facing the Mutiny on the Bounty, and thus the Right has spit. He is, in other words, crap.
Cameron has made some mistakes with his party management, but the Conservatives have been a unleadable rabble since 1990.
It was the same with Major Hague and IDS. Its a dumb selfish indulgence. My views are broadly right wing and I am simply disgusted at how inept the Conservative right are.
Still, it does offer the prospect of the tory party seperating itself from the fruit loop tendency.0 -
You bet!
It looks to be a fun night on PB, if Carlsberg did party Conferences, Cameron would need to sack them. And on that note, I am off out to enjoy a girlie evening with a dyed in the wool Green supporter, have fun tonight.
kle4 said:
Well we all know that all Tories are really UKIP supporters at heart, therefore if you haven't yet defected you lack principles. Well known.fitalass said:What is it with UKIPpers and their automatic knee jerk reaction fall back on the claim that anyone who doesn't agree with their political world view must therefore lack 'principles'. If I had collected a pound in a tin for every time that insult has been lobbed at a Conservative supporting poster here or on ConHom in the last decade, I could have made a nice donation to the Conservative party this weekend.
Richard_Tyndall said:
Your lack of principles is shameful but not surprising.fitalass said:I didn't think that Carsewell was that big a loss to the Conservative Party, and certainly not any more than Reckless was today. Can't say that I am surprised at the news of the Reckless defection today either, I made it a point to check which Tory MP's didn't vote with the Government yesterday. But hey ho, another unnecessary by-election just months before the next GE, anyone would think the taxpayer isn't going to get fed up footing the bill for these UKIP publicity stunts.
Twitter
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 17 mins
Chris Buckwell, secretary of Rochester Conservatives, tells #C4News they got assurances from Reckless two weeks ago he wouldn't defect
Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman 54 mins
Mark Reckless decided he was defecting two weeks ago http://specc.ie/1yuVD3O
Krishnan Guru-Murthy @krishgm 24 hrs
Hi @MarkReckless - can you rule out defecting to UKIP? Your language on Iraq seems quite Ukippy
Mark Reckless MP @MarkReckless 24h
@krishgm Indeed. Other Con MPs voted against and not aware Ukip has positionMillsy said:The loss of Carswell was a big blow to the Tories but Reckless very much less so, particularly as they have a big chance of actually defeating Reckless at the by-election.
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BTW rode a preserved Tube train (Cravens 1960 Stock with 1938 Stock trailer) at the Epping Ongar Railway today, to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the final London Underground service between Epping and Ongar. Last day is tomorrow for those interested 0
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Bloody Brilliant!HurstLlama said:
Sorry Mr, D. the Golden age of cartoons was the 1940s as this Tom and Jerry so adequately demonstrates:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Corporeal, the music and cartoons were better. Videogame graphics less so. (That said, my Playstation copy of Worms Armageddon has aged surprisingly well).
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Bill Cash gave a very well reasoned interview on TV as to why Carswell should not have quit. People like Carswell and Reckless want instant gratification. They will end up being impotent.FrancisUrquhart said:Re Defections.
I always wonder what Bill Cash is still doing in the Cameron led Tory party. He used to be the go to guy if the media wanted a Tory with an axe to grind, especially anything vaguely related to Europe gets him really frothing.
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