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Mark Reckless Tory MP defects to UKIP

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  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    Will he resign his seat?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    By election surely? Hard not to after Carswell.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,906
    Dave just can't manage a broad church.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The atmosphere in Doncaster must be near ignition heat: ready to explode in rapture.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    Alanbrooke said:

    Dave just can't manage a broad church.

    Dave can't manage any church......
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    What was Marks bet value on Betfair?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    Surely the traitorous pig dog will resign and contest a by-election.

    Or is he just a big coward?
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    *popcorn*
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Will he be the only one?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MikeK said:

    The atmosphere in Doncaster must be near ignition heat: ready to explode in rapture.

    So you're all leaving?
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Rats, sinking ship.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    Mark Reckless did PPE

    I'm assuming all those Kippers that slagged of Dave et al for reading PPE will criticise Reckless for reading PPE?
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    "I cannot promise to cut immigration as Conservative, I can as UKIP". Eh? What if there isn't a UKIP Government?
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    UKIP didn't stand against him 2010:

    Conservative Mark Reckless 23,604 49.2
    Labour Teresa Murray 13,651 28.5
    Liberal Democrat Geoff Juby 7,800 16.3
    English Democrats Ron Sands 2,182 4.5
    Green Simon Marchant 734 1.5
    Majority 9,953 20.7
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tory response:
    "What Reckless of him"

    Pity for the Telegraph, they predicted no further defection just hours ago citing senior UKIP figures:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11125503/Ukips-man-in-the-Commons-bars-woos-Tory-defectors-over-pint-of-beer.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    Carola said:

    Will he be the only one?

    I said if UKIP really wanted to damage Dave, they'd get one to defect just before the Tory conference, and one on Wednesday, when Dave's speech is due.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    The atmosphere in Doncaster must be near ignition heat: ready to explode in rapture.

    So you're all leaving?
    Don't be sillier than you are already Charles, although I can understand your chagrin. However if you've never experienced the way a political crowd or meeting of the like minded respond to good news, you've haven't lived.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Excellent speech by Reckless
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The reason they announced it now is obvious.
    1. For the Sunday papers.
    2. To torpedo the Tory conference.

    Which means there might be more during the Tory conference.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    @mattholehouse · 11m

    Britain is over regulated and people are "ripped off and lied to" says Mark Reckless MP as he defected to UKIP

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Eeek.

    He should be safe for re-election though, I think North Kent was UKIP's most successful area of all in the Euros.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    Floater said:

    Excellent speech by Reckless

    Yeah and he's trashing all over Dave. This is dire for the Tory Leadership.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carola said:

    Will he be the only one?

    I said if UKIP really wanted to damage Dave, they'd get one to defect just before the Tory conference, and one on Wednesday, when Dave's speech is due.
    They can certainly keep a *secret*.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carola said:

    Will he be the only one?

    I said if UKIP really wanted to damage Dave, they'd get one to defect just before the Tory conference, and one on Wednesday, when Dave's speech is due.
    There is at least one more to come, we were told recently...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,310
    PODCWAS.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Was Reckless one of the ones who'd denied he was about to defect?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    Danny565 said:

    Was Reckless one of the ones who'd denied he was about to defect?

    Yes
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Really laying in to Dave.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mark Reckless did PPE

    I'm assuming all those Kippers that slagged of Dave et al for reading PPE will criticise Reckless for reading PPE?

    Who were those kippers?

    Sean T (conservative) is the first one that springs to mind
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    Danny565 said:

    Eeek.

    He should be safe for re-election though, I think North Kent was UKIP's most successful area of all in the Euros.

    Almost UKIP polled over 40% in the Medway Towns. Thanet and Sittingbourne & Sheppey were both marginally more.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Another bolts from the Blues.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    UKIP can't get any MPs of their own, so resort to stealing other parties?

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    What will Dave do now?

    It's just a jump to the left.

    And then a step to the right.

    With your hand on your hips.

    You bring your knees in tight.
    But it's the pelvic thrust.
    They really drive you insane.
    Let's do the Time Warp again.
    Let's do the Time Warp again.


  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Blue on blue. What fun.

    Terrible news for Ed Miliband, probably :-)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Well, he is working the kippers into a frenzy
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,732
    edited September 2014
    Alanbrooke said:

    Dave just can't manage a broad church.

    TBF it's not just Dave - the populist right have been on the rise everywhere and it's getting tough for a lot of traditional right-wing parties to hold together.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Just when I thought Labour had thrown away the election this week with their pitch of "Vote Labour for Tory policies delivered with half the competence".

    The two parties really do seem to be trying to outdo eachother in attempts to lose.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    MarkHopkins said:


    UKIP can't get any MPs of their own, so resort to stealing other parties?

    What you think Reckless has been kidnapped? You should hear him on the stage!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Just 21 hours ago Reckless had posted this:

    Mark Reckless MP @MarkReckless · 21h
    Good to lead coach for Team2015 campaigning in Birmingham Northfield on Sunday+will be followed by our Clacton action day next Thursday

    Makes you worry that other Tory MP may have said things in order to assure the whips while planning otherwise.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Best thing about these defections is the dripping resentment and tribal smears that Tories respond with.

    Say what you like about Labour but no political Party, none, does "arrogant sense of entitlement" more than the Tories.
  • Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619
    :-) My bet on over 5 UKIP seats is doing very nicely.

    Who is Farage bringing on stage next?
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Danny565 said:

    Was Reckless one of the ones who'd denied he was about to defect?

    Yes
    Danny565 said:
    Was Reckless one of the ones who'd denied he was about to defect?
    ----
    Was he sober when he said it?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293762/I-drunk-vote-Budget-confesses-Tories-Mark-Reckless.html
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mark Reckless did PPE

    I'm assuming all those Kippers that slagged of Dave et al for reading PPE will criticise Reckless for reading PPE?

    Not a signed up kipper, but whether he read PPE or not this is one hell of a speech
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    By election!!!
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    By-election
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    By Election!
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    TSE's spell as editor keeps up the high standard set previously.
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    Can Conservatives move the by-election writ close enough to Clacton to seriously stretch UKIP resources?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    Hugh said:

    Best thing about these defections is the dripping resentment and tribal smears that Tories respond with.

    Say what you like about Labour but no political Party, none, does "arrogant sense of entitlement" more than the Tories.

    If Farage goes to the Tories I ll say I always knew he was a city boy posho!!
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2014
    Floater said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mark Reckless did PPE

    I'm assuming all those Kippers that slagged of Dave et al for reading PPE will criticise Reckless for reading PPE?

    Not a signed up kipper, but whether he read PPE or not this is one hell of a speech
    Sssh dont tell anyone but they admitted to having two others yesterday as well. But hey its OK because clearly they have recognised the errors of their way, denounced Westminster, adopted common sense and have converted to being a real person!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Looking at Reckless's Wikipedia, he doesn't seem entirely like one of the uber-rightwingers.

    He voted for gay marriage, and against tuition fees for example.
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    He's resigning!
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mark Reckless did PPE

    I'm assuming all those Kippers that slagged of Dave et al for reading PPE will criticise Reckless for reading PPE?

    SeanT aside, I believe the problem most of us had with the Oxford PPE grads was that there was far too many of them and it gave group think. Clearly that doesn't happen with just one guy.

    Besides, he also has degrees from the College of Law and Columbia, so it's not like he's only been immersed in one academic environment.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    UPDATE in the thread header - Reckless follows the Carswell principle
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Well, the latter months are certainly making up for the lack of excitement of a fixed term parliament.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,108
    And to think, at the start of this parliament, the pb talk was all of LDs defecting to the Tories.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    edited September 2014
    Smarmeron said:

    TSE's spell as editor keeps up the high standard set previously.

    Really grim 10 mins for me.

    Bloody Everton equalise in injury time, and the traitorous pig dog Reckless defects to UKIP all in the space of 10 mins
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited September 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    UPDATE in the thread header - Reckless follows the Carswell principle

    They're just a higher caliber of moral principle, these Kippers.

    Reading up on the guy's Wikipedia page, I admire the fact that when he once drank too before a parliamentary vote, but rather than just go in tanked, he excused himself and apologised publicly for the mistake, despite the obvious political embarrassment that would cause him.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mark Reckless did PPE

    I'm assuming all those Kippers that slagged of Dave et al for reading PPE will criticise Reckless for reading PPE?

    I'm waiting for all those Kippers who criticised Cameron for trying to upstage the Kipper conference to complain about Farage doing the same...
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Danny565 said:

    Looking at Reckless's Wikipedia, he doesn't seem entirely like one of the uber-rightwingers.

    He voted for gay marriage, and against tuition fees for example.

    Ukip manifesto says scrap tuition fees for some degrees.
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    Massive rabbit out the hat for UKIP.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Mark Reckless

    "Let's show that Britain is more than a star on somebody else's flag"
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    I did predict this a few days ago, when the issue was raised. Another defection to be announced tomorrow ? Philip Davies would be my bet ! Reckless gave you a clue.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Hugh said:

    Best thing about these defections is the dripping resentment and tribal smears that Tories respond with.

    Say what you like about Labour but no political Party, none, does "arrogant sense of entitlement" more than the Tories.

    do you labour guys really want us to talk about smears?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Film for tonight?
    P'tang, Yang, Kipperbang
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P'tang,_Yang,_Kipperbang

    You just have to love a new relationship.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    UPDATE in the thread header - Reckless follows the Carswell principle

    Principle, there's a word not normally associated with politicians.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    Did someone say it looks like the darts at the uKIP conference ?!?!

    they were right!! hilarious
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    What attitude are his local Conservative Association likely to take to his defection?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    It seems the Thames estuary is going purple.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    Feel sorry for Casino Royale, he had a guest article, rescheduled for today at 3pm.......
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Mike Smithson tweets

    We know that private polling has been carried out in Kettering testing whether Philip Holobone would hold seat as UKIP candidate
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    UPDATE in the thread header - Reckless follows the Carswell principle

    They're just a higher caliber of moral principle, these Kippers.

    Reading up on the guy's Wikipedia page, I admire the fact that when he once drank too before a parliamentary vote, but rather than just go in tanked, he excused himself and apologised publicly for the mistake, despite the obvious political embarrassment that would cause him.
    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    UPDATE in the thread header - Reckless follows the Carswell principle

    They're just a higher caliber of moral principle, these Kippers.

    Reading up on the guy's Wikipedia page, I admire the fact that when he once drank too before a parliamentary vote, but rather than just go in tanked, he excused himself and apologised publicly for the mistake, despite the obvious political embarrassment that would cause him.
    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mark Reckless did PPE

    I'm assuming all those Kippers that slagged of Dave et al for reading PPE will criticise Reckless for reading PPE?

    I'm waiting for all those Kippers who criticised Cameron for trying to upstage the Kipper conference to complain about Farage doing the same...
    Best served cold and all that...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    The atmosphere in Doncaster must be near ignition heat: ready to explode in rapture.

    So you're all leaving?
    Don't be sillier than you are already Charles, although I can understand your chagrin. However if you've never experienced the way a political crowd or meeting of the like minded respond to good news, you've haven't lived.
    Actually I was just making a reference to your use of the term "rapture" which is an odd one in this context - although probably more true than you intended

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture

    I'm not particularly upset about UKIP. They allow a lot of people who haven't participated in the democratic process in recent decades to express their views, which has to be a good thing.

    I think they would be a really terrible government and, best case, they facilitate a crap government and eliminating the most realistic chance to secure democratic legitimacy for (or exit from) the EU. But that's my right.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    alex said:

    Can Conservatives move the by-election writ close enough to Clacton to seriously stretch UKIP resources?

    Timing is controlled by the party of the MP resigning ie UKIP.
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    edited September 2014
    Cameron captain of a sinking ship ? This could lead to more Tory voters going over to UKP. Cameron is not going to resign or do a deal with UKIP. He would rather lose the election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    hucks67 said:

    Cameron captain of a sinking ship ? This could lead to more Tories voters going over to UKP. Cameron is not going to resign or do a deal with UKIP. He would rather lose the election.

    If he sets up a pact with UKIP, he probably loses more voters than he gains.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    hucks67 said:

    Cameron captain of a sinking ship ? This could lead to more Tories voters going over to UKP. Cameron is not going to resign or do a deal with UKIP. He would rather lose the election.

    The business or pleasure joke he made at that dinner was very revealing. He has greater emotional antipathy to an English eurosceptic than he does to a Scottish separatist.
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    David_Evershed said:

    alex said:

    Can Conservatives move the by-election writ close enough to Clacton to seriously stretch UKIP resources?

    Timing is controlled by the party of the MP resigning ie UKIP.
    Don't think that's true. Conservatives moved the writ for Clacton, I think? Anyway UKIP haven't got any MPs to move the writ themselves!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    David_Evershed said:

    alex said:

    Can Conservatives move the by-election writ close enough to Clacton to seriously stretch UKIP resources?

    Timing is controlled by the party of the MP resigning ie UKIP.
    That would be the Tories, and no there is a minimum of time for a byelection, so it would happen sometime in November.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    Right I would greatly appreciate it if there were no major political news this afternoon.

    I'm off out, and will be back around 7.30pm with the ComRes poll.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    If they can get a Labour Mp to defect.....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    David_Evershed said:

    alex said:

    Can Conservatives move the by-election writ close enough to Clacton to seriously stretch UKIP resources?

    Timing is controlled by the party of the MP resigning ie UKIP.
    No - they need to have an MP to move the writ of election, which they don't.
  • ItajaiItajai Posts: 721
    Floater said:

    Hugh said:

    Best thing about these defections is the dripping resentment and tribal smears that Tories respond with.

    Say what you like about Labour but no political Party, none, does "arrogant sense of entitlement" more than the Tories.

    do you labour guys really want us to talk about smears?

    Labour never smear.
    There is no connection between the child abuse scandal in Rotherham and Labour.

    Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia...
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    Chris Kelly and Gisela Stewart the latest names being floated...
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Mike Smithson tweets again

    The big winner from the defections to UKIP is Ed Miliband

    Clueless. This is TERRIBLE news for Ed Miliband, somehow. Doesn't this bloke read PB or Dan Hodges?
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    alex said:

    David_Evershed said:

    alex said:

    Can Conservatives move the by-election writ close enough to Clacton to seriously stretch UKIP resources?

    Timing is controlled by the party of the MP resigning ie UKIP.
    Don't think that's true. Conservatives moved the writ for Clacton, I think? Anyway UKIP haven't got any MPs to move the writ themselves!
    It would be the party he was elected for and not any party he defected to that would move the writ. Even if UKIP had an MP in parliament, I don't think they can move a writ. I
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Thought of the day pic.twitter.com/uwIbw6o5mF

    — David Jones (@DavidJo52951945) September 27, 2014
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Floater said:

    If they can get a Labour Mp to defect.....

    If UKIP win Heywood and Middleton we'll have a revolution on our hands.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Remember this list from last night?

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 21h
    Tory MPs who voted No: Richard Bacon
    John Baron
    Gordon Henderson
    Adam Holloway
    Nigel Mills
    Mark Reckless
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    isam said:

    Chris Kelly and Gisela Stewart the latest names being floated...

    Not a chance.
  • alexalex Posts: 244
    edited September 2014
    hucks67 said:

    alex said:

    David_Evershed said:

    alex said:

    Can Conservatives move the by-election writ close enough to Clacton to seriously stretch UKIP resources?

    Timing is controlled by the party of the MP resigning ie UKIP.
    Don't think that's true. Conservatives moved the writ for Clacton, I think? Anyway UKIP haven't got any MPs to move the writ themselves!
    It would be the party he was elected for and not any party he defected to that would move the writ. Even if UKIP had an MP in parliament, I don't think they can move a writ. I
    Any MP can move a writ. Just as theoretically the date can be opposed and forced to a vote.

    What happens in practice is just historical convention.

  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    I'm sure you're all following Mike on twitter, but if not I recommend it.

    He's very busy sniffing out the next Tory rat to jump ship....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,591
    Amazing. So much for Mark Pritchard tweet this morning!
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    Nadine, you know what you have to do if you want my vote next time......
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Chris Kelly and Gisela Stewart the latest names being floated...

    Not a chance.
    I don't think any Labour MP's would defect to UKIP. Some like Kelvin Hopkins are EU Sceptic, but they would not want to join UKIP, as they would disagree with many of their policies.

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Vote UKIP, get a Miliband government, and no referendum.

    There are going to be some very disappointed voters next May.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    The by-election will be interesting. Not impossible that Labour could slip through the middle.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    @TSE

    You remember what you were saying about nothing interesting happening when OGH goez on holiday.

    Well, I'll think you're a lying rat-fink ;-)
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    hucks67 said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Chris Kelly and Gisela Stewart the latest names being floated...

    Not a chance.
    I don't think any Labour MP's would defect to UKIP. Some like Kelvin Hopkins are EU Sceptic, but they would not want to join UKIP, as they would disagree with many of their policies.

    Agreed. UKIP's "More Tory than the Tories" policies are just too much, even for a Eurosceptic or immigration obsessive.

    And members of the Labour Movement have far more "tribal" loyalty than self-serving Tories.

    And Labour are on the up, Tories on the down.

    Highly unlikely.
  • JPJ2JPJ2 Posts: 380
    Another boost for the SNP!
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