Don't worry! The Conservatives are sure to get a post-conference bounce! A happy, harmonious, smiling Tory Party at ease with itself will make for great headlines next week!
Tories have lost the next GE. They need to focus now on damage limitation and doing what's best for the country in the short term. Happily, both of those objectives align by getting rid of Truss.
Of course the polls are going to be dire for the Tories this side of Christmas.
Central to Liz Truss’s pitch.
Take on the dragons. Make the difficult policy choices. Be damned with the immediate term popularity contests. Those are for next year, as policy begins to pay off.
Of course the polls are going to be dire for the Tories this side of Christmas.
Central to Liz Truss’s pitch.
Take on the dragons. Make the difficult policy choices. Be damned with the immediate term popularity contests. Those are for next year, as policy begins to pay off.
I find it curious that the same posters who decry Biden's decline into imbecility, are the same ones who have him playing 4D chess with a daring piece of subterfuge to ensure Germany's resolve is not weakened.
Tory MPs quickly realise May was a bad choice. Bad person. Bad policies. They remove May. Tory MPs and then members select Boris.
Within a few years Tory MPs realise Boris was a bad choice. Bad person. Bad policies. They remove Boris.
Tory MPs choose Rishi but not decisively and members choose Truss. Within a few days of actual policies being enacted, Tory MPs realise Truss is a bad choice. Bad person. Bad policies.
There is a common thread. The problem isn't May. Or Johnson. Or Truss. The problem is the Conservative Party. It can no longer be trussted to chose leaders and thus Prime Ministers. Because time after time after time they select from their narrow pool and they chose mental.
If there was ever a red flag that a party needed time out of office to rethink who it is and what it is supposed to be doing, it is this now.
The problem with the Conservative Party is that it has been taken over by ideologues of both Libertarianism and Brexit, with no place for One Nation Conservatives.
Truss ain't done yet. The next step is her "supply side reforms" which consist of ripping up environmental, social and planning protections to allow her rapacious spiv friends to externalise all the costs and consequences of their greed onto other people, while trousered the profits. She sees this as the solution to the countries problem.
Shortly the Tories will be polling at Scottish levels in England too.
This is going to be the most excruciating Conference in British political history
Yep, and almost bound to make things worse for the party.
Well, I did warn 'em.
It's going to be like a wedding where everyone has discovered the bride has been exuberantly shagging the best man for several months, and only the groom is unaware
Horse got it way wrong, he was demanding a mere 20 point lead. 33% under the hapless Starmer, BJO just imagine what the lead would have been under Corbyn?
The inside of @contrarian 's head must be a seriously weird place.
Although I note the post that prompted that comment has disappeared.
What was it Tom Baker said: 'The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of changing their views to fit reality, they change reality to fit their views.'
Didn’t think there was any way they could remove Truss. Now I think they have to. Massive mea culpa “oh we didn’t realise she would be that utterly batshit”. Swift coronation. Safe pair of hands. Potential for Rishi to come back as CofE. Aim for a GE result that will save as many seats as possible. Try and write all this off as a bit of an embarrassing accident.
I’m looking forward to the part of the Truss speech where she espouses the Tories record on the economy and gives the country a much needed laugh in these dark times .
Didn’t think there was any way they could remove Truss. Now I think they have to. Massive mea culpa “oh we didn’t realise she would be that utterly batshit”. Swift coronation. Safe pair of hands. Potential for Rishi to come back as CofE. Aim for a GE result that will save as many seats as possible. Try and write all this off as a bit of an embarrassing accident.
Yes
Mordaunt as PM with Sunak as CoE, or vice versa
Pretend this never happened. Cough cough. Ahem. Move on
It won't stop defeat but it might save a few seats
I find it curious that the same posters who decry Biden's decline into imbecility, are the same ones who have him playing 4D chess with a daring piece of subterfuge to ensure Germany's resolve is not weakened.
its not Biden though its the people behind him like Victoria Nuland....
Does anybody know the % the Tories got in 1997, for me that is their floor, cannot see them getting below that, they had everyone against them then, even the murdoch press.
Didn’t think there was any way they could remove Truss. Now I think they have to. Massive mea culpa “oh we didn’t realise she would be that utterly batshit”. Swift coronation. Safe pair of hands. Potential for Rishi to come back as CofE. Aim for a GE result that will save as many seats as possible. Try and write all this off as a bit of an embarrassing accident.
Yes
Mordaunt as PM with Sunak as CoE, or vice versa
Pretend this never happened. Cough cough. Ahem. Move on
It won't stop defeat but it might save a few seats
They don't deserve saving.
If Tory MPs had removed Boris Johnson six months earlier as they should have done Sunak would now be PM and this wouldn't be happening.
Does anybody know the % the Tories got in 1997, for me that is their floor, cannot see them getting below that, they had everyone against them then, even the murdoch press.
Does anybody know the % the Tories got in 1997, for me that is their floor, cannot see them getting below that, they had everyone against them then, even the murdoch press.
30.7%; Wiki is our friend. *But* no Kippers/Reform then.
Deltapoll @DeltapollUK · 4m 🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨 Labour lead at 19 points in results for The Daily Mirror. Con 29% (-2) Lab 48% (+4) Lib Dem 9% (-3) Other 14% (+1) Fieldwork: 27 - 29 September 2022 Sample: 1,613 GB adults (Changes from 22 - 25 September 2022)
Didn’t think there was any way they could remove Truss. Now I think they have to. Massive mea culpa “oh we didn’t realise she would be that utterly batshit”. Swift coronation. Safe pair of hands. Potential for Rishi to come back as CofE. Aim for a GE result that will save as many seats as possible. Try and write all this off as a bit of an embarrassing accident.
Yes
Mordaunt as PM with Sunak as CoE, or vice versa
Pretend this never happened. Cough cough. Ahem. Move on
It won't stop defeat but it might save a few seats
Would either of them want to take the risk? Same goes for Wallace. The only candidate with nothing to lose because he is already a big winner (and then a loser- because they changed the rules) is Johnson.
I find it curious that the same posters who decry Biden's decline into imbecility, are the same ones who have him playing 4D chess with a daring piece of subterfuge to ensure Germany's resolve is not weakened.
The reason this is an extinction level event is that Truss and Kwarteng went missing for several days. If they did a media tour in the immediate aftermath of the 'mini budget', even with the uninspiring reasons they rolled out today, things would be a bit better for them. They rolled this out and weren't around to defend it. The tories either remove them now or they may be completely finished as a political party.
The Government must scrap 45p, take responsibility for the link between last Friday & the impact on peoples mortgages & make clear that it will do everything possible to stabilise markets & protect public services https://twitter.com/JulianSmithUK/status/1575530631613882371
How can she stand up and give a speech? Its over. This isnt just an 'it didnt work out', its '12.5% swing from an already big deficit in a week' Gone before conference
I find it curious that the same posters who decry Biden's decline into imbecility, are the same ones who have him playing 4D chess with a daring piece of subterfuge to ensure Germany's resolve is not weakened.
It's Cognitive Dissonance!
Or, Biden has advisors. I mean, I always presumed American presidents have advisors? But I could be wrong
Does anybody know the % the Tories got in 1997, for me that is their floor, cannot see them getting below that, they had everyone against them then, even the murdoch press.
30.7% is the figure on Wikipedia. Most likely that's across the UK, rather than GB.
Does anybody know the % the Tories got in 1997, for me that is their floor, cannot see them getting below that, they had everyone against them then, even the murdoch press.
Didn’t think there was any way they could remove Truss. Now I think they have to. Massive mea culpa “oh we didn’t realise she would be that utterly batshit”. Swift coronation. Safe pair of hands. Potential for Rishi to come back as CofE. Aim for a GE result that will save as many seats as possible. Try and write all this off as a bit of an embarrassing accident.
Yes
Mordaunt as PM with Sunak as CoE, or vice versa
Pretend this never happened. Cough cough. Ahem. Move on
It won't stop defeat but it might save a few seats
Penny is a good egg, but she’s still too junior. Needs to be someone who has held high office IMHO. You can’t risk the same problem twice.
One of Wallace, Gove, Javid, Rishi, Hunt or May. All have downsides but all have done big jobs and can steady the ship.
The Government must scrap 45p, take responsibility for the link between last Friday & the impact on peoples mortgages & make clear that it will do everything possible to stabilise markets & protect public services https://twitter.com/JulianSmithUK/status/1575530631613882371
And Jack the Ripper must establish a refuge for vulnerable sex workers.
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I expect things will only get worse.
They need to use conference week to organize the ending of her leadership or the tories are facing wipe out.
Central to Liz Truss’s pitch.
Take on the dragons. Make the difficult policy choices. Be damned with the immediate term popularity contests. Those are for next year, as policy begins to pay off.
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1575526164957110272
Oh, not that 33!
Hmmmmm. That’s a hard target to beat….
(Bring back Boris)
While a lot of us did think she would be a disaster we all expected it to take 6-12 months not less than a month.
Heck if it wasn't for the Queen dying we could easily have seen these figures a fortnight ago within 12 days of her becoming PM...
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Some fun facts about that YouGov poll.
Just 37% of Tory 2019 voters say they'll vote for them next time. A record 17% say they'll vote Labour.
If the poll was the actual election result the only three Tory MPs left would be Rebecca Harris, Giles Watling and John Whittingdale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_election
Well, I did warn 'em.
That's the second time this week you've smeared a pollster's integrity.
What other whizzo wheezes have you still got to deliver?
I mean, did you do ANY focus group testing of this stuff? If not - WHY???? If so - YOU STILL WENT AHEAD?????
You're fired.
Although I note the post that prompted that comment has disappeared.
What was it Tom Baker said: 'The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of changing their views to fit reality, they change reality to fit their views.'
How history turns can be amazing at times.
Didn’t think there was any way they could remove Truss. Now I think they have to. Massive mea culpa “oh we didn’t realise she would be that utterly batshit”. Swift coronation. Safe pair of hands. Potential for Rishi to come back as CofE. Aim for a GE result that will save as many seats as possible. Try and write all this off as a bit of an embarrassing accident.
It.Is.A.Disgace.
Usually it’s quite, um, supportive.
Today Kwasi Kwarteng used it to plead with colleagues for their support after market turmoil and calls for his head. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-29/under-fire-kwarteng-tries-to-calm-uk-tories-with-vow-to-listen
Guy is an evil genius.
BTW, who is the current deputy leader if she did have a nervous breakdown?
https://twitter.com/cthomasippr/status/1575528880680538112
(And I'm afraid this isn't even in jest).
I'm sure Blair would have been on >75% ...
Mordaunt as PM with Sunak as CoE, or vice versa
Pretend this never happened. Cough cough. Ahem. Move on
It won't stop defeat but it might save a few seats
https://jamesstewart.photoshelter.com/image/I00007WOzU.n9P.U
If Tory MPs had removed Boris Johnson six months earlier as they should have done Sunak would now be PM and this wouldn't be happening.
Conservative 30.7%
Lib Dem 16.8%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_United_Kingdom_general_election
Thatcher was a brighter and better politician than 100 Liz Trusses.
@DeltapollUK
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🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨
Labour lead at 19 points in results for The Daily Mirror.
Con 29% (-2)
Lab 48% (+4)
Lib Dem 9% (-3)
Other 14% (+1)
Fieldwork: 27 - 29 September 2022
Sample: 1,613 GB adults
(Changes from 22 - 25 September 2022)
That gives us
Possibly all night.
A lot of people have done that, throughout her career. And written her off. She may yet pull this back to a mere 29 point deficit
Clearly there is an increasing desire to get rid of the Conservative Party and that is consolidating votes with Labour.
https://twitter.com/JulianSmithUK/status/1575530631613882371
Right now she's probably got to hope Putin launches a nuke - that'll be quite distracting.
Its over. This isnt just an 'it didnt work out', its '12.5% swing from an already big deficit in a week'
Gone before conference
Until they look at what has happened to the rest of their assets
One of Wallace, Gove, Javid, Rishi, Hunt or May. All have downsides but all have done big jobs and can steady the ship.
Oh look, the SNP have 51 seats on EC.
Got to pay for millionaire tax breaks somehow i suppose
We have abandoned the voters that gave us an 80 seat majority to chase the 7 libertarians in the country...