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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995

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    There's a claim on twitter that Ukraine have retaken Donetsk airport, which was occupied by Russia in 2015. Ukraine have mostly held the pre-Feb 24th frontline between occupied Horlivka and Donetsk City, so there's potential for Ukrainian advances into territory held by Russia for years, before all the territory occupied since February is recovered.

    Crimea is a bit different, because it's south of Kherson Oblast, and the routes onto the peninsula are relatively narrow, and so easier to defend.
    The east-west line of the front line of Donetsk/Luhansk barely seems to have moved from 2014 even during the early stages. I'm guessing the Ukrainians were very well dug in in that area?
  • kle4 said:

    And this week's Hirohito award goes to...
    I am fecking loving this.

    No doubt heads will be rolling at the Kremlin soon. Shoigu must be done for?
  • kle4 said:

    If things are truly collapsing, what will be very interesting will be if the Ukrainians attempt at some point to reverse the 2014 losses, and if the West will stay firm for that.

    They should, it was no less an invasion (Crimea might be difficult though, clearly being a lot more pro-Russian), but it's easy to see some arguing for a return to January 2022 as a first step and then pause.
    Strike while the iron is hot.

    Full reversal, including Crimea.
  • Foxy said:

    It sounds like the German Gepard flakpanzers have been very useful in the offensive.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568585600046858241?t=S2oMrbmvO6dKRLgam46xDg&s=19
    That's interesting. I had thought the Gepards were somewhat towards the obsolete end of the spectrum, compared with the Starstreak system the UK supplied, but the Ukrainians would know.
  • kle4 said:

    Obvious, yes, but still amusing.

    Day 199 of my 3 day war. No Russian units have been surrounded. However, several have the chance to fight a "360 degree war".

    I remain a master strategist.


    https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1568477929092308992?cxt=HHwWgICzmbmXrcQrAAAA

    DarthPutin has been brilliant all through the war.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,727
    kle4 said:

    Obvious, yes, but still amusing.

    Day 199 of my 3 day war. No Russian units have been surrounded. However, several have the chance to fight a "360 degree war".

    I remain a master strategist.


    https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1568477929092308992?cxt=HHwWgICzmbmXrcQrAAAA

    We are not seeing much of the US Marines in Korea attitude are we? "The enemy are in front of us, behind us and on both sides. They won't get away this time."

    It's more, never wanted to be here in the first place.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,144

    That's interesting. I had thought the Gepards were somewhat towards the obsolete end of the spectrum, compared with the Starstreak system the UK supplied, but the Ukrainians would know.
    So are the aircraft they’re up against.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,578
    ydoethur said:

    No, it is still established as the National Church, it’s just the government gave up the right to make appointments or to guide it on matters spiritual (ie overrule the Declaratory Articles). This is separate from that and undertaking that it will remain the National Church without being replaced by any other.

    So it does make sense in that context.

    It was also, I might add, the only way it could recognise the distinctive status of Scotland within the United Kingdom before the establishment of a Scottish Parliament, as the CoS was about the only truly National body going. And not just a religious one either. When did it lose substantial control of education? I want to say 1944?
    PS e qualification to what I said: of course the local C of S etc ministers would be very much taking an interest in the local state school, on the commitee and so on, so in that limited sense they had some control still. But that's not the same as the old style Knox & Melville parish school with funding from the teinds [tithes] and the dominie very much part of the Kirk (often as a divinity grad who was either planning to obtain a call to a parish or had failed and was stuck, the stickit minister).

    Given the tendency for the new state schools to default to C of S, the RCs and Piskies therefore obtained their own state funded schools (or their existing schools got state funding, whatever). So we ended up in the situation where state schools tended to be either default Presbyterian or full on Episc. or RC. In recent decades the non-Ep, non-RC 'default' schools have become much less Christian and more secular, so we have a de facto choice of secular vs EC vs RC (and possibly one or two others, not sure).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,814
    biggles said:

    I agree you will see the first split. I think our position has been “all territory regained” but I doubt the Germans agree.
    At some point, though, it becomes clear that it is in Germany's best interest to see Putin's Russia comprehensively defeated.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,396
    Nigelb said:

    SMOO
    https://mobile.twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1568603258586894337
    Russian Defense Ministry now acknowledging the retreat, calling it “regrouping.”
    “In order to achieve goals of the special military operation…a decision was made to regroup the Russian troops stationed in Balakliya and Izyum to step up efforts in the Donetsk direction.”

    Regrouping into internment camps seems a strange and cunning plan...
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Foxy said:

    It sounds like the German Gepard flakpanzers have been very useful in the offensive.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568585600046858241?t=S2oMrbmvO6dKRLgam46xDg&s=19
    I can understand the Russian Pilots' inability to distinguish friend from foe when they are both heading in the same direction.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,813
    rcs1000 said:

    At some point, though, it becomes clear that it is in Germany's best interest to see Putin's Russia comprehensively defeated.

    What about Scholz's best interests?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,814

    Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki on Germany's slow arms deliveries to Ukraine:

    "Berlin's hesitation, its inaction, seriously calls into question the value of the alliance with Germany"

    Morawiecki also condemned Germany's slow decision to recognize its mistaken dependence on Russian energy

    In his words:

    "Ukraine drove the enemy back faster than the Germans were able to make decisions"


    https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1568543363925688321

    Poland is far more dependent on Russian energy than Germany.

    It isn't even close.

  • Does anyone still think that the Ukrainians can't kick the Russians out of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts?

    @Dura_Ace ?

    @russianguy1983 ?

    @rogerdamus ?
  • The one thing I have actively wanted for months is Johnson out of office

    I reserved judgement on Truss prior to her appointment but she has performed well in her baptism by fire and she has 2 more years before she has to fight an election and as this week has shown events can change narratives

    Certainly labour need to be careful of complacency and taking the next election for granted and yes they will face Truss
    You keep repeating this mantra about Labour being need to be careful of complacency - I don't know why.

    Whatever one thinks of Starmer and Labour's chances, I haven't detected one whiff of complacency from Starmer. Quite the opposite, in fact - he's the epitome of zero complacency, as evidenced by his grim determination to nullify every potential Tory attack line.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    Lukashenko has to be worried right now.

    And if he thinks Putin's defeat is inevitable, then will he jump?
    If I was the leader of a small internationally unrecognised breakaway republic that had splintered from a nation on Russia's periphery I would be tugging my collar and looknig around quite a a lot at the moment.

    A change in government in Georgia would make things particularly uncomfortable for South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,813
    edited September 2022
    Can I just ask, what drunken idiot thought Alex Lees was the answer to England's opening problem? They would have been better off with Vince. At least he scored a few runs before getting himself out to a straight one.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,727
    edited September 2022
    This is surely out
    Nope, wrong again. It did look as if it was cutting back in.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,144
    edited September 2022
    DavidL said:

    We are not seeing much of the US Marines in Korea attitude are we? "The enemy are in front of us, behind us and on both sides. They won't get away this time."

    It's more, never wanted to be here in the first place.
    There were plenty of troops on Korea who panicked, alongside those who stood and fought.
    Isn’t that where the phrase “bug out” originated ?

    (edit) originated a bit earlier, but Korea is where it came into widespread use.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,813
    Nigelb said:

    Also delightfully British….

    The musical Wicked observed two minutes’ silence before the start, as a mark of respect, followed by the opening line.
    “Good news, she’s dead.”

    At least it wasn't the full Wizard of Oz: 'ding dong, the witch is dead!'
  • kle4 said:

    The east-west line of the front line of Donetsk/Luhansk barely seems to have moved from 2014 even during the early stages. I'm guessing the Ukrainians were very well dug in in that area?
    Yes, and had their best troops there. In April, when Russia advanced on Izyum, the fear was that they would be able to achieve a grand encirclement of that whole front line, and therefore not have to break through those fortified defences with a frontal assault. Didn't work out that way.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,396

    That's interesting. I had thought the Gepards were somewhat towards the obsolete end of the spectrum, compared with the Starstreak system the UK supplied, but the Ukrainians would know.
    Particularly good for shooting down drones it seems
  • Funny, isn't it? As much as I might rationally try to dismiss it, in the end this is where I am from. It's my country and all this matters a hell of a lot toi me. I am not just watching it; I am feeling it too. It makes no sense, but it is what it is. We're not better or worse than anyone else. We are what we are. And what we are is this.

    The cricket is going well today, isn't it..
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    I can confirm that Chamonix is considerably more scenic than that today (and any other day tbf)

    image
    Yeah but at the end of my Infinity Sheep Dip, I’ve got….

    …. Ostriches


  • Leon said:

    A friend messages


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11199259/Royal-beekeeper-informed-Queens-bees-HM-died-King-Charles-new-boss.html?ito=whatsapp_share_article-top

    Royal beekeeper informs the Queen's bees that Her Majesty has died


    He adds:

    “love our country, love our traditions, love our monarchy - fucking amazing”

    🥂

    Lovely touch although, maybe not surprisingly, the Mail gets the background slightly wrong.

    It is an old tradition in many parts of Europe - and subsequently exported to other parts of the world - to inform the bees of any significant events in the household, not just deaths but also marriages and births.

    But deaths are the most important and there are many fine stories and poems written around the tradition of 'Telling the Bees'.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,578
    Leon said:

    Yeah but at the end of my Infinity Sheep Dip, I’ve got….

    …. Ostriches


    Boiled egg for breakfast, and lunch and dinner too?
  • erich_auerbach @zcjbrooker

    Izyum liberated (49.178222, 37.276340)

    (@geoconfirmed)

    https://twitter.com/zcjbrooker/status/1568605056496181249
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995

    Lovely touch although, maybe not surprisingly, the Mail gets the background slightly wrong.

    It is an old tradition in many parts of Europe - and subsequently exported to other parts of the world - to inform the bees of any significant events in the household, not just deaths but also marriages and births.

    But deaths are the most important and there are many fine stories and poems written around the tradition of 'Telling the Bees'.
    I remember googling it after seeing the hilarious title of the last Outlander novel 'Go tell the bees that I am gone'. Full sentence titles seem to be all the rage now, but that was a corker.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,425
    edited September 2022

    That's interesting. I had thought the Gepards were somewhat towards the obsolete end of the spectrum, compared with the Starstreak system the UK supplied, but the Ukrainians would know.
    Gepards would be very good against drones, if they can get a lock on the radar. A round or 2 would be low enough cost to make it a good exchange.

    EdIt : maybe time to think about resurecting this - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T249_Vigilante
  • What's remarkable is how long it took Russia to grind out conquering towns like Izyum.

    Reversed in hours.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,144
    Leon said:

    Yeah but at the end of my Infinity Sheep Dip, I’ve got….

    …. Ostriches

    Aren’t those rheas ?
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    A friend messages


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11199259/Royal-beekeeper-informed-Queens-bees-HM-died-King-Charles-new-boss.html?ito=whatsapp_share_article-top

    Royal beekeeper informs the Queen's bees that Her Majesty has died

    He adds:

    “love our country, love our traditions, love our monarchy - fucking amazing”

    🥂

    There's a lot of scope for someone of appropriate bent to make up an even more ridiculous story - e.g.

    * Duke of Cornwall swaps turds with the Earl Marshal, in a tradition dating back to Agincourt, or

    * Lord Chamberlain wears his oldest servant's unwashed underwear on his head as he recites lines from the Book of Revelations in the direction of the Palace mousehouse.

    Do it right, and Tory monarchists will praise it. They will say that such "traditions" make Britain a country that is so much finer than all the foreign countries. Some will refer to Chesterton's fence. They will sneer that only Kremlin-paid dirty oiks in the IRA who shop at Aldi's and don't deserve to get health treatment if they fall ill would think any differently. "Ignorant" - that's what any person who scoffs at this anthropologically wholly healthy and species-enriching behaviour is. That's obvious! Obvious once you have the sophistication and culture to approve of it!

    There's gotta be scope to pull something like this. Some Tories are watching blokes dressed in mediaeval tabards on their TV sets and blubbing and saying they're living through such an important moment in history. They say this openly. They boast about it. They're half cracking up over it.

    Time to strike!
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    Well said Mike. Ludicrous decision by the football leagues.

    Cricket got it spot on today with the tone.

    https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1568169569058963457


  • Before them, under the garden wall,
    Forward and back,
    Went drearily singing the chore-girl small,
    Draping each hive with a shred of black.

    Trembling, I listened: the summer sun
    Had the chill of snow;
    For I knew she was telling the bees of one
    Gone on the journey we all must go!

    Then I said to myself, “My Mary weeps
    For the dead to-day:
    Haply her blind old grandsire sleeps
    The fret and the pain of his age away.”

    But her dog whined low; on the doorway sill,
    With his cane to his chin,
    The old man sat; and the chore-girl still
    Sung to the bees stealing out and in.

    And the song she was singing ever since
    In my ear sounds on:—
    “Stay at home, pretty bees, fly not hence!
    Mistress Mary is dead and gone!”
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995

    What's remarkable is how long it took Russia to grind out conquering towns like Izyum.

    Reversed in hours.

    With all respect to the areas Russia has rolled over previously, whilst Ukraine was also outmanned and outgunned, it was a very different prospect to trying to bully poor, say, Georgia. It's big, it's populated, and it was more prepared even if it needed(and needs) all the help it can get.
  • Alistair said:

    If I was the leader of a small internationally unrecognised breakaway republic that had splintered from a nation on Russia's periphery I would be tugging my collar and looknig around quite a a lot at the moment.

    A change in government in Georgia would make things particularly uncomfortable for South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
    Putin's best hope now would be to take a leaf out of Lin Biao's little red book and get his pilot to divert to Mongolia. He should fill the tank first, though. One should always learn from the mistakes of others.
  • Thoughts and prayers for the Cobyn Left. e.g. (posted 3rd Aug):


    Matt Zarb-Cousin
    @mattzarb
    Not sure when it became blasphemous to argue Ukraine can’t defeat a global nuclear superpower??

    https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1554942022607314945
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,144
    Dynamo said:

    There's a lot of scope for someone of appropriate bent to make up an even more ridiculous story - e.g.

    * Duke of Cornwall swaps turds with the Earl Marshal, in a tradition dating back to Agincourt, or

    * Lord Chamberlain wears his oldest servant's unwashed underwear on his head as he recites lines from the Book of Revelations in the direction of the Palace mousehouse.

    Do it right, and Tory monarchists will praise it. They will say that such "traditions" make Britain a country that is so much finer than all the foreign countries. Some will refer to Chesterton's fence. They will sneer that only Kremlin-paid dirty oiks in the IRA who shop at Aldi's and don't deserve to get health treatment if they fall ill would think any differently, etc.

    There's gotta be scope to pull something like this. I mean some Tories are watching blokes dressed in mediaeval tabards on their TV sets and blubbing and saying they're living through such an important moment in history.
    Care to try some more snark ?
    https://twitter.com/Igor_from_Kyiv_/status/1568338010034343938
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Dynamo said:

    There's a lot of scope for someone of appropriate bent to make up an even more ridiculous story - e.g.

    * Duke of Cornwall swaps turds with the Earl Marshal, in a tradition dating back to Agincourt, or

    * Lord Chamberlain wears his oldest servant's knickers on his head as he recites lines from the Book of Revelations in the direction of the Palace mousehouse.

    Do it right, and Tory monarchists will praise it. They will say that such "traditions" make Britain a country that is so much finer than all the foreign countries. Some will refer to Chesterton's fence. They will sneer that only Kremlin-paid dirty oiks in the IRA who shop at Aldi's and don't deserve to get health treatment if they fall ill would think any differently, etc.

    There's gotta be scope to pull something like this. I mean some Tories are watching blokes dressed in mediaeval tabards on their TV sets and blubbing and saying they're living through such an important moment in history.
    You fall flat on your arse so frequently, I am surprised if you don't wear custom body armour. As explained in the article itself and in this thread this is an English beekeeping tradition, absolutely not a specifically royal one.

    You do come across like a really oafish 6 year old phatboi trying his best to spoil the smaller childrens' Christmas. Save it: we already know he's not real.
  • Dynamo said:

    There's a lot of scope for someone of appropriate bent to make up an even more ridiculous story - e.g.

    * Duke of Cornwall swaps turds with the Earl Marshal, in a tradition dating back to Agincourt, or

    * Lord Chamberlain wears his oldest servant's unwashed underwear on his head as he recites lines from the Book of Revelations in the direction of the Palace mousehouse.

    Do it right, and Tory monarchists will praise it. They will say that such "traditions" make Britain a country that is so much finer than all the foreign countries. Some will refer to Chesterton's fence. They will sneer that only Kremlin-paid dirty oiks in the IRA who shop at Aldi's and don't deserve to get health treatment if they fall ill would think any differently. "Ignorant" - that's what any person who scoffs at this anthropologically wholly healthy and species-enriching behaviour is. That's obvious! Obvious once you have the sophistication and culture to approve of it!

    There's gotta be scope to pull something like this. Some Tories are watching blokes dressed in mediaeval tabards on their TV sets and blubbing and saying they're living through such an important moment in history. They say this openly. They boast about it. They're half cracking up over it.

    Time to strike!
    Someone's running out of copium supplies.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,813
    Dynamo said:

    There's a lot of scope for someone of appropriate bent to make up an even more ridiculous story - e.g.

    * Duke of Cornwall swaps turds with the Earl Marshal, in a tradition dating back to Agincourt, or

    * Lord Chamberlain wears his oldest servant's unwashed underwear on his head as he recites lines from the Book of Revelations in the direction of the Palace mousehouse.

    Do it right, and Tory monarchists will praise it. They will say that such "traditions" make Britain a country that is so much finer than all the foreign countries. Some will refer to Chesterton's fence. They will sneer that only Kremlin-paid dirty oiks in the IRA who shop at Aldi's and don't deserve to get health treatment if they fall ill would think any differently. "Ignorant" - that's what any person who scoffs at this anthropologically wholly healthy and species-enriching behaviour is. It's obvious! Obvious once you have the sophistication and culture to approve of it!

    There's gotta be scope to pull something like this. Some Tories are watching blokes dressed in mediaeval tabards on their TV sets and blubbing and saying they're living through such an important moment in history. They say this openly. They boast about it. They're half cracking up over it.

    Time to strike!
    They should remember Edward IV's efforts in the marriage bed by standing up and shouting 'Put in small cock!'

    Which would be misunderstood by a certain person, due to a lack of security in this area, and lead to a nuclear war.
  • Shaun Walker
    @shaunwalker7
    ·
    1h
    Syrski, commander of Ukrainian ground forces, runs Ukrainian flag-raising ceremony in Balakliia (vid via Vertikal telegram channel). Amazing.

    https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1568589151997464577
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,813
    edited September 2022
    Heathener said:

    Well said Mike. Ludicrous decision by the football leagues.

    Cricket got it spot on today with the tone.

    https://twitter.com/benstokes38/status/1568169569058963457


    You mean, cancelling two days and then batting like headless chickens to make up loss time?

    I suspect Jennings will be back for Pakistan, but I've no idea who will partner him.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Nigelb said:

    Aren’t those rheas ?
    No, the one second nearest the camera is in profile.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,093
    Leon said:

    Yeah but at the end of my Infinity Sheep Dip, I’ve got….

    …. Ostriches


    Interesting, I'll give you that, but at the end of our day in Chamonix we've got... dinner booked at Hameau Albert.

    https://www.hameaualbert.fr/en/traditional-restaurant
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,578
    edited September 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Aren’t those rheas ?
    Not sufficiently blobby, rheas? (even before one remembers that rheas aka "South American Ostriches"). The neck to body transition is quite smooth in rheas. These look like Boris Johnson with a rubber tube stuck in his hair. So pukka ostriches? Young ones?
  • ydoethur said:

    You mean, cancelling two days and then batting like headless chickens to make up loss time?

    I suspect Jennings will be back for Pakistan, but I've no idea who will partner him.
    Pakistan have got perfectly good openers, and Jennings isn't eligible to play for them anyway, is he?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,425
    Nigelb said:

    Care to try some more snark ?
    https://twitter.com/Igor_from_Kyiv_/status/1568338010034343938
    He is very upset over all the cancelled cricket matches. Have a heart.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,727
    ydoethur said:

    You mean, cancelling two days and then batting like headless chickens to make up loss time?

    I suspect Jennings will be back for Pakistan, but I've no idea who will partner him.
    Oh come on, this is good stuff. We might even get a result if it doesn't rain.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,878

    Shaun Walker
    @shaunwalker7
    ·
    1h
    Syrski, commander of Ukrainian ground forces, runs Ukrainian flag-raising ceremony in Balakliia (vid via Vertikal telegram channel). Amazing.

    https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1568589151997464577

    Awesome dude.

    Cowabunga !

    Russia ‘regrouping’, yeah sure. They will be lucky to come out of this in the same position they went into it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,878
    ydoethur said:

    You mean, cancelling two days and then batting like headless chickens to make up loss time?

    I suspect Jennings will be back for Pakistan, but I've no idea who will partner him.
    Another failed opener brought back.

    In that case partner him with Rory Burns
  • He is very upset over all the cancelled cricket matches. Have a heart.
    Yeah, that's what he's upset about. :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995

    Thoughts and prayers for the Cobyn Left. e.g. (posted 3rd Aug):


    Matt Zarb-Cousin
    @mattzarb
    Not sure when it became blasphemous to argue Ukraine can’t defeat a global nuclear superpower??

    https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1554942022607314945

    What was weirder was their stance that there would be no point in even trying to defeat or hold off Russia, so just end things now.

    It's quite possible for someone to win militarily but at such cost they cannot hold onto their gains, and so well worth resisting.

    Rather gave the game away about their real concerns.
  • South Africa are currently 25/1 to win this test match. Looks pretty appealing to me.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,813
    Taz said:

    Another failed opener brought back.

    In that case partner him with Rory Burns
    Jennings doesn't do well away from the subcontinent but he has a very good record there. And he is currently scoring runs.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,396
    Dynamo said:

    There's a lot of scope for someone of appropriate bent to make up an even more ridiculous story - e.g.

    * Duke of Cornwall swaps turds with the Earl Marshal, in a tradition dating back to Agincourt, or

    * Lord Chamberlain wears his oldest servant's unwashed underwear on his head as he recites lines from the Book of Revelations in the direction of the Palace mousehouse.

    Do it right, and Tory monarchists will praise it. They will say that such "traditions" make Britain a country that is so much finer than all the foreign countries. Some will refer to Chesterton's fence. They will sneer that only Kremlin-paid dirty oiks in the IRA who shop at Aldi's and don't deserve to get health treatment if they fall ill would think any differently. "Ignorant" - that's what any person who scoffs at this anthropologically wholly healthy and species-enriching behaviour is. That's obvious! Obvious once you have the sophistication and culture to approve of it!

    There's gotta be scope to pull something like this. Some Tories are watching blokes dressed in mediaeval tabards on their TV sets and blubbing and saying they're living through such an important moment in history. They say this openly. They boast about it. They're half cracking up over it.

    Time to strike!
    Russia seems to be able to be very economical. Doubling up with a funeral for Gorbachov and for the reputation of its armed forces...
  • Mary Ilyushina
    @maryilyushina
    ·
    48m
    Members and “volunteers” of Russia-installed admin in Kharkiv are fleeing back to Russia. United Russia party in charge of them said they are evacuating from Balakliya, Izyum, Volchansk to border with Belgorod region due to 🇺🇦 counteroffensive. I guess there goes the referendum…

    https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1568600965108092929
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,813
    Foxy said:

    Russia seems to be able to be very economical. Doubling up with a funeral for Gorbachov and for the reputation of its armed forces...
    This isn't a funeral so much as suttee.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Dynamo said:

    There's a lot of scope for someone of appropriate bent to make up an even more ridiculous story - e.g.

    * Duke of Cornwall swaps turds with the Earl Marshal, in a tradition dating back to Agincourt, or

    * Lord Chamberlain wears his oldest servant's unwashed underwear on his head as he recites lines from the Book of Revelations in the direction of the Palace mousehouse.

    Do it right, and Tory monarchists will praise it. They will say that such "traditions" make Britain a country that is so much finer than all the foreign countries. Some will refer to Chesterton's fence. They will sneer that only Kremlin-paid dirty oiks in the IRA who shop at Aldi's and don't deserve to get health treatment if they fall ill would think any differently. "Ignorant" - that's what any person who scoffs at this anthropologically wholly healthy and species-enriching behaviour is. That's obvious! Obvious once you have the sophistication and culture to approve of it!

    There's gotta be scope to pull something like this. Some Tories are watching blokes dressed in mediaeval tabards on their TV sets and blubbing and saying they're living through such an important moment in history. They say this openly. They boast about it. They're half cracking up over it.

    Time to strike!
    I think @Dynamo needs a special PB group hug
  • kle4 said:

    What was weirder was their stance that there would be no point in even trying to defeat or hold off Russia, so just end things now.

    It's quite possible for someone to win militarily but at such cost they cannot hold onto their gains, and so well worth resisting.

    Rather gave the game away about their real concerns.
    Either he hasn't be following the actual military situation properly or as you say had another agenda. I can't see how anyone looking at things in August could say there was simply no way Ukr could defeat the invaders.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Nigelb said:

    Aren’t those rheas ?
    I think aliens have abducted him and dropped him back off in Oz.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    ‘Heavy Battle right now reported from #Donetsk Airport.’

    https://twitter.com/anonopsse/status/1568603651664478208?s=21&t=8VluIRM0iw8w_22sOnQSPw

    The war could end before tea at the Test
  • Taz said:

    Awesome dude.

    Cowabunga !

    Russia ‘regrouping’, yeah sure. They will be lucky to come out of this in the same position they went into it.
    Are we translating 'regroup' from Russian correctly. Perhaps it should read 'running for their lives'?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,245
    Dynamo said:

    There's a lot of scope for someone of appropriate bent to make up an even more ridiculous story - e.g.

    * Duke of Cornwall swaps turds with the Earl Marshal, in a tradition dating back to Agincourt, or

    * Lord Chamberlain wears his oldest servant's unwashed underwear on his head as he recites lines from the Book of Revelations in the direction of the Palace mousehouse.

    Do it right, and Tory monarchists will praise it. They will say that such "traditions" make Britain a country that is so much finer than all the foreign countries. Some will refer to Chesterton's fence. They will sneer that only Kremlin-paid dirty oiks in the IRA who shop at Aldi's and don't deserve to get health treatment if they fall ill would think any differently. "Ignorant" - that's what any person who scoffs at this anthropologically wholly healthy and species-enriching behaviour is. That's obvious! Obvious once you have the sophistication and culture to approve of it!

    There's gotta be scope to pull something like this. Some Tories are watching blokes dressed in mediaeval tabards on their TV sets and blubbing and saying they're living through such an important moment in history. They say this openly. They boast about it. They're half cracking up over it.

    Time to strike!
    Bitter that your boys are taking a beating in the Donbass?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,396
    kle4 said:

    What was weirder was their stance that there would be no point in even trying to defeat or hold off Russia, so just end things now.

    It's quite possible for someone to win militarily but at such cost they cannot hold onto their gains, and so well worth resisting.

    Rather gave the game away about their real concerns.
    Remember though that as well as the Tankies, a lot on the alt.right were talking the same:

    Tucker: By any actual reality based measure, Vladimir Putin is not losing the war in Ukraine. He is winning the war in Ukraine (30th August)

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564408136378843136?t=R6KZ8A3PHxXY5hBOuK5iWg&s=19

    If the Russian rout continues, then Biden could well come out smelling of roses, while the Trumpists have rather a lot of egg on their faces.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995
    edited September 2022
    Foxy said:

    Remember though that as well as the Tankies, a lot on the alt.right were talking the same:

    Tucker: By any actual reality based measure, Vladimir Putin is not losing the war in Ukraine. He is winning the war in Ukraine (30th August)

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564408136378843136?t=R6KZ8A3PHxXY5hBOuK5iWg&s=19

    If the Russian rout continues, then Biden could well come out smelling of roses, while the Trumpists have rather a lot of egg on their faces.
    As a firm believer in the horseshoe theory it is no surprise to me the far right would say the same things.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,425
    kle4 said:

    What was weirder was their stance that there would be no point in even trying to defeat or hold off Russia, so just end things now.

    It's quite possible for someone to win militarily but at such cost they cannot hold onto their gains, and so well worth resisting.

    Rather gave the game away about their real concerns.
    As far as I can see, the Stopper/Tankie position is moving to “we need to stop this before the inevitable war crimes against Russian civilians in the areas retaken by Ukraine.”

    Which was, interestingly the position the same people took in the Yugoslav wars when the Serbs started losing. Serb war crimes hadn’t been a concern, of course….
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,878

    Are we translating 'regroup' from Russian correctly. Perhaps it should read 'running for their lives'?
    Yep, perhaps in the coming weeks we will need a Ukrainian version of that famous Norwegian Soccer commentator ‘Josef Stalin, Lev Yashin, Chekov from Star Trek, Yuri Gagarin, Catherine the Great, your boys took one hell of a beating’
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995
    Leon said:

    I think @Dynamo needs a special PB group hug
    Maybe, but I do think his suggestion of making up even sillier traditions is a good one.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Leon said:

    I think @Dynamo needs a special PB group hug
    A Scroogian epiphany is required. He needs to wake, breathless and witless at the very tail end of the pageantry with a sudden emptiness and run, helter skelter through the streets in his nightshirt until, like the boy in the coca cola advert, he catches the very end of the very last parade and sheds a tear at the beautiful tabards and gowns
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Mary Ilyushina
    @maryilyushina
    ·
    48m
    Members and “volunteers” of Russia-installed admin in Kharkiv are fleeing back to Russia. United Russia party in charge of them said they are evacuating from Balakliya, Izyum, Volchansk to border with Belgorod region due to 🇺🇦 counteroffensive. I guess there goes the referendum…

    https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1568600965108092929

    This is a good point

    All the Russian Occupation admin will now collapse, even before the military, as who would want to be caught by the vengeful Ukes, as an active collaborator? Why take the chance? Why rely on this shit army to protect you?

    Many people have been murdered, raped, tortured, slaughtered. There will be reprisals. There will be lynchings

    In that scenario you would run for your life
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972

    Mary Ilyushina
    @maryilyushina
    ·
    48m
    Members and “volunteers” of Russia-installed admin in Kharkiv are fleeing back to Russia. United Russia party in charge of them said they are evacuating from Balakliya, Izyum, Volchansk to border with Belgorod region due to 🇺🇦 counteroffensive. I guess there goes the referendum…

    https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1568600965108092929

    Anybody in the Donbas that wants to be Russian - the border is thataway....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    kle4 said:

    As a firm believer in the horseshoe theory it is no surprise to me the far right would say the same things.
    Far left and far right, do both seem to be big fans of Russia.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995
    ydoethur said:

    If I'm honest, I didn't believe they could win either, although I admired the courage and determination the Ukrainians were showing.

    I shall be incredibly happy if I am proven completely wrong.
    I won't believe fully in a victory until it is all confirmed, but the natural response to that would be to help to as much as we can to help, not advise surrender, which is effectively what that lot do.
  • Overall RU military morale must be close to terminal breakdown?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995

    As far as I can see, the Stopper/Tankie position is moving to “we need to stop this before the inevitable war crimes against Russian civilians in the areas retaken by Ukraine.”
    .
    Ah yes, I can see it now. 'Terribly good that Ukraine is advancing, absolutely, but perhaps they should slow down because in a unified Ukraine russian speakers may be treated poorly'.

    Issue for another day, chaps.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Leon said:

    ‘Heavy Battle right now reported from #Donetsk Airport.’

    https://twitter.com/anonopsse/status/1568603651664478208?s=21&t=8VluIRM0iw8w_22sOnQSPw

    The war could end before tea at the Test

    Donetsk Airport is a ridiculous distance away!

    Of more interest is when the nuclear power plant gets evacuated of Russians.....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,813
    edited September 2022
    If Donetsk is under attack, then something even more drastic is happening than is being reported. Bearing in mind, the Ukrainians have been trying and failing to take it for eight years.

    And if the Russian army has collapsed entirely, we will all laugh...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,396

    Mary Ilyushina
    @maryilyushina
    ·
    48m
    Members and “volunteers” of Russia-installed admin in Kharkiv are fleeing back to Russia. United Russia party in charge of them said they are evacuating from Balakliya, Izyum, Volchansk to border with Belgorod region due to 🇺🇦 counteroffensive. I guess there goes the referendum…

    https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1568600965108092929

    Teachers from Russia brought in to indoctrinate arrested in Kupyansk:

    https://twitter.com/NadiaDobryanska/status/1568571617357225984?t=TjRrXQwAIHIWkf9NaWWLvQ&s=09
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,093
    Leon said:

    ‘Heavy Battle right now reported from #Donetsk Airport.’

    https://twitter.com/anonopsse/status/1568603651664478208?s=21&t=8VluIRM0iw8w_22sOnQSPw

    The war could end before tea at the Test

    This is all excellent news.

    A small voice in my head is worrying though whether Putin does something insane if he fears he is losing? Let's hope not.
  • kle4 said:

    What was weirder was their stance that there would be no point in even trying to defeat or hold off Russia, so just end things now.

    It's quite possible for someone to win militarily but at such cost they cannot hold onto their gains, and so well worth resisting.

    Rather gave the game away about their real concerns.
    I think it's fair to say that Dura Ace has utterly humiliated himself on this front. His "expert" military analysis has proven comprehensively and embarrassingly wrong at virtually every stage, from pea-shooter NLAWs on

    He should stick to driving like a Count with nothing to lose
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173

    Thoughts and prayers for the Cobyn Left. e.g. (posted 3rd Aug):


    Matt Zarb-Cousin
    @mattzarb
    Not sure when it became blasphemous to argue Ukraine can’t defeat a global nuclear superpower??

    https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1554942022607314945

    That lot will still be blaming the West enthusiastically for everything even if the Ukrainians do manage to pull it off. All of the death and destruction is obviously our fault for scaring poor, vulnerable, innocent Czar Vladimir the Baby Butcher, innit?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    Donetsk Airport is a ridiculous distance away!

    Of more interest is when the nuclear power plant gets evacuated of Russians.....
    Donetsk Airport was taken by the Russians in 2014! If true, this is the first pushback past the Feb 24th border.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,554
    IshmaelZ said:

    Thinking further about that, what an utterly appalling piece of shittiness declining to give your own brother a lift to see his dying grandmother. I don't do the Daily Mail blood boiling about the Royal Family thing, but that is as spiteful a bit of shittiness as it is possible to imagine.

    The RAF lot got to balmoral at 5pm so landed Aberdeen say 1545 so left London 1415. So he has been told to fuck off by 2 pm absolute latest. So either he was - almost incredibly - deprived of the chance of final words with his grandmother, or everyone involved knew she was dead by then anyway (and it is still a jawdropping bit of petty shittiness).

    We are straight into a Royal crisis when people cotton on to this.
    Unwise to assume that a lot of speculation in a newspaper report resembles the facts.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,396
    ydoethur said:

    If I'm honest, I didn't believe they could win either, although I admired the courage and determination the Ukrainians were showing.

    I shall be incredibly happy if I am proven completely wrong.
    I thought it would grind into a stalemate, before a Ukranian spring offensive. It may still do so of course.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    This is all excellent news.

    A small voice in my head is worrying though whether Putin does something insane if he fears he is losing? Let's hope not.
    Yes, of course, that is the fear

    But you can’t fight a war based on fears like that. Because that way Putin can get anything he wants just with the threat, and we will never be rid of this scourge

    We have to pray that saner voices in Russia, or perhaps the Chinese, sort him out
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,093
    Leon said:

    Yes, of course, that is the fear

    But you can’t fight a war based on fears like that. Because that way Putin can get anything he wants just with the threat, and we will never be rid of this scourge

    We have to pray that saner voices in Russia, or perhaps the Chinese, sort him out
    I totally agree with you.

    Strange times, eh? ;-)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,146
    edited September 2022
    The Governor General of Canada has presided over a ceremony to proclaim Charles IIIrd as Canada's new King at a ceremony at Rideau Hall attended by PM Trudeau and his Cabinet
    https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=441a0101-eca4-4e08-85ee-e593a2c07f88
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,093
    edited September 2022
    Foxy said:

    I thought it would grind into a stalemate, before a Ukranian spring offensive. It may still do so of course.
    That is also what General Lord Dannett thought would happen in a talk of his I attended in early July. So if you are happily wrong, you are in good company.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,995
    HYUFD said:

    The Governor General of Canada has presided over a ceremony to proclaim Charles IIIrd as Canada's new King at a ceremony at Rideau Hall attended by PM Trudeau and his Cabinet
    https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=441a0101-eca4-4e08-85ee-e593a2c07f88

    Started the gun salute whilst he was doing the french translation of the proclamation. Not very respectful to bilingualism.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    edited September 2022
    ydoethur said:

    If I'm honest, I didn't believe they could win either, although I admired the courage and determination the Ukrainians were showing.

    I shall be incredibly happy if I am proven completely wrong.

    The point here is to try and avoid making predictions, unless they are based on some kind of professional knowledge, insight and expertise.
    Even then, such predictions are always going to be a hostage to fortune, so unless you are extremely certain, they should be caveated.

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