BoJo goes next week but what then? – politicalbetting.com
BoJo goes next week but what then? – politicalbetting.com
With all looking set for a handover next week a big question remains and that is what is Boris Johnson going to do when he is no longer Prime Minister.
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Prediction: he is Tory leader again, but not PM.0
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Emulating Churchill with some wilderness years before the country turns to him again in its hour of need?
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PFT:
Perhaps not quite the same, but these nice white middle class parents were met with the full force of the law:Northern_Al said:Shamima Begum was born and raised in Tower Hamlets. She's as British as I am.
Regardless of the legal niceties, I have no doubt that had Begum been white, and born to white British parents, the powers that be wouldn't have been desperately flailing around to find a way of denying or removing her British citizenship.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-48676894
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Letts
On 18 August 2019 it was reported that the British government had revoked Letts' British citizenship. However, the Home Office declined to comment on the case.[38] In response, Canadian Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale described the move as a "unilateral action to off-load [the UK's consular] responsibilities," leaving Canada responsible for further diplomatic assistance for Letts.[39]2 -
That's the plan but substitute wilderness months for years.Selebian said:Emulating Churchill with some wilderness years before the country turns to him again in its hour of need?
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This doesn't look like a good sign. South Korea reported its widest trade deficit on record.
https://twitter.com/DavidInglesTV/status/15651294968688517120 -
Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.2 -
Betfair next prime minister
1.06 Liz Truss 94%
17.5 Rishi Sunak 6%
Next Conservative leader
1.05 Liz Truss 95%
18 Rishi Sunak 6%0 -
What then?
Le Deluge, presumably.5 -
That might, ironically, have been roughly the plan before Boris was rudely defenestrated. Imo he was planning to follow the Wilson route out of parliament in time to make serious money.148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.0 -
I assumed he would resign his seat - he's a massive egotist and has been humiliated. However, the party has apparently decided it did a booboo and now sings his praises. So yes, why not stay? Remain an MP. Do lots of lecture circuit stuff. "Accidentally" say something controversial and negative about the government. Sit tight as an open threat to Mistress Truss.148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.1 -
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive2 -
But they're singing his praises in the way that people do at their racist uncle's funeral - he's dead now, so we shouldn't speak ill of him. Maybe there is some internal remorse about kicking him out, but if they hadn't, they wouldn't suddenly be happy with him now, nor would the electorate. If he tried to come back to life, as it were, I don't see people only singing praise; his foibles will be important againRochdalePioneers said:
I assumed he would resign his seat - he's a massive egotist and has been humiliated. However, the party has apparently decided it did a booboo and now sings his praises. So yes, why not stay? Remain an MP. Do lots of lecture circuit stuff. "Accidentally" say something controversial and negative about the government. Sit tight as an open threat to Mistress Truss.148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.4 -
Who in America is paying money to listen to Theresa May do lectures?0
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FPT:
Where in the country are the damsons out?Alphabet_Soup said:
Just dropped by en route to pick damsons. Happy Autumn to one and all.Leon said:@Cyclefree
Indeed. I enjoy vigorous debate as much as I enjoy *other things* but it’s probably a bit early for a stramash over types of sexual intercourse
My favourite public damsons spot is the lanes around Bradwell on the Blackwater.
Not likely this year, but I need to get into Derbyshire for bilberries soon.0 -
FPT for @NickPalmer
Asexuality is absolutely a valid life choice. And one to be respected. I have asexual friends who are happy and productive citizens
I just don’t believe a life without sex would willingly be chosen by a third of men aged 18-24. That’s outwith the findings of any sexual survey in history. It’s not a healthy sign
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When he was a motoring journalist reviewing cars he somehow managed to drive and review cars whilst the mileage stayed the same.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-cost-gq-magazine-4-000-in-parking-tickets-former-editor-claims-12598087
"When the cars were delivered to his house in Islington, the car company always made a note of the mileage, something that is standard practice.
"The mileage would also be noted when they came to pick them up again. And on more than one occasion - OK, on many, many, many occasions - the mileage was precisely the same. So I leave you to draw your own conclusions."1 -
My apologies that it wasn't clear, it was Rochdale that I was saying wasn't respecting the rule of law. I was quoting you as secondary confirmation of what the SIAC have said, not responding to you, sorry that wasn't clear.bondegezou said:
I'm not certain why you quoted me so. I was merely laying out what I understand SIAC to have said.BartholomewRoberts said:
You're the one dancing on pinheads.RochdalePioneers said:
You really are dancing on pinheads.BartholomewRoberts said:
How is that any different to "The UK has said she isn't a citizen. Case closed."TOPPING said:
Bangladesh has said she isn't a citizen. Case closed.Cyclefree said:
Yes - and that would have to be tested in the Bangladeshi courts ultimately. It hasn't been, to my knowledge. The English courts are entitled when making a ruling here to rely on expert evidence about foreign law.TOPPING said:
Surely Bangladesh has the final say on whether she is a Bangladeshi citizen?BartholomewRoberts said:
Indeed, so we are agreed.bondegezou said:
Yes. A Special Immigration Appeals Commission ruled she has Bangladeshi citizenship. Bangladesh('s government) says she doesn't. Begum has sought to appeal the decision, but is unable to as she cannot enter the country.BartholomewRoberts said:
Wasn't the claim that Bangladesh has stated that she doesn't have (nor qualifies for) Bangladesh Citizenship put before the tribunal? So presumably the tribunal rejected that claim?eek said:
While that is the case - it still went to a tribunal where it was argued that the removal was valid becauseCyclefree said:It was not the British courts which stripped Shamima Begum of her citizenship. It was the Home Secretary. That decision was challenged by her lawyers and the challenge failed. As did the challenge to the Home Secretary's decision not to allow her to return to this country to pursue an appeal. But that does not mean that it was the courts which took the decision.
"In February 2020, a tribunal ruled that removing Ms Begum's citizenship was lawful because she was "a citizen of Bangladesh by descent", so removing her British nationality wouldn't make her stateless."
even though Bangladesh has continually stated that she doesn't have (nor qualifies for) Bangladesh Citizenship.....
The current position is one determined by the Courts. The Tribunal determined that she did have Bangladeshi citizenship, despite arguments made prior to the Tribunal that she didn't. And while she has a right to an appeal, the Supreme Court has ruled on the public safety matters prior to that.
People are rightly allowed appeals in our country, but that doesn't mean prior rulings can just be ignored pending the closure of any and all appeals.
The current situation is that which the courts, from the SIAC all the way up to the Supreme Court, have ruled upon.
But note there is a difference between saying that someone is a citizen and saying that someone may be eligible for citizenship. A person may not be in the first category but still fall into the second.
The courts are presented the evidence and they make the decisions. Just because a government, whether its the UK government or the Bangladeshi one says something, does not make it true.
1. UK government applies to have British citizenship removed because she is eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship
2. Bangladesh confirms no she isn't and never was
3. UK keeps lying to the simple minded and ideological zealots. Who keep repeating the lie.
This matter was put before the courts and the courts issued their ruling.
You may think you know better than the courts, but I respect the rule of law.bondegezou said:It is my understanding that SIAC ruled she *is* a Bangladeshi citizen.
"SIAC found (in its decision on the first preliminary issue) that she also holds Bangladeshi citizenship by descent through her parents by virtue of section 5 of the Bangladesh Citizenship Act 1951." https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2020/918.html
I respect the rule of law. I have not suggested anyone should smuggle Begum into the UK.
I think the current law should be changed. I know you think the current law should be changed on many issues, but I don't go around saying you aren't respecting the rule of law because you think that.
Saying the law should be changed is reasonable, but unless or until the law is changed the law stands as it is. Saying the law should be changed is completely different from as Rochdale is saying that the law isn't being applied or people are "lying" about it.1 -
We get the sense that he doesn't like hard work from all the people who work with or for him calling him lazy. When you're in the positions he's in output still happens, but half of what he does in politics can be done by staff and he is just the performer (who still doesn't often learn his lines), and the stuff he did outside of politics was writing thoughtless trash that doesn't have to be true or well researched so can just be dumped in a column.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive0 -
"Russian oil chief Maganov dies in 'fall from hospital window'"
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I think he's motivated when something grips him, usually a big crusade like Brexit, the vaccination campaign or the war in Ukraine. But when it's something complex, tedious and involving tradeoffs and shades of grey, like 90% of government, he mostly loses interest.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
That would be fine if he had built a competent team to attend to the detailed business of government, but he didn't. He hired the crank Dominic Cummings instead.2 -
A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!1 -
A column for which he was paid £300,000 a year148grss said:
We get the sense that he doesn't like hard work from all the people who work with or for him calling him lazy. When you're in the positions he's in output still happens, but half of what he does in politics can be done by staff and he is just the performer (who still doesn't often learn his lines), and the stuff he did outside of politics was writing thoughtless trash that doesn't have to be true or well researched so can just be dumped in a column.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
Did the Telegraph do this out of charity? Or because he was good at it, and attracted readers?
The “Boris is lazy” stuff is just, well, lazy. It doesn’t hold up to scrutiny
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Off topic I realise, but I just had a letter from my bank saying they are concerned that I am 'frequently' withdrawing cash from the post office, and I should be using such things as tap and go to pay for my goods. I should also be using their app to control my spending.
It is perhaps ironic that this morning neither the app nor online banking are available from my bank!5 -
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.7 -
Its part of why overall he was such a successful and good Prime Minister, he has the talent of knowing who to delegate to more than more control freak Prime Ministers have done.148grss said:
We get the sense that he doesn't like hard work from all the people who work with or for him calling him lazy. When you're in the positions he's in output still happens, but half of what he does in politics can be done by staff and he is just the performer (who still doesn't often learn his lines), and the stuff he did outside of politics was writing thoughtless trash that doesn't have to be true or well researched so can just be dumped in a column.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
No PM can do everything themselves, they need to know their own limitations and know what can be delegated.0 -
1. He did cling to the doorframe. Every previous Prime Minister would have had to resign multiple times over.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!
2. He is a natural clown. We know that Bumbling Boris is an act - his given name is Alex. He ruffles the hair and crumples his clothes deliberately. He rocks up to do speeches and does the same hick "sorry I'm late, where am I" routine with the same jokes
3. Since the Tory party have chosen to rehabilitate him in the long gap between announcing he was reigning and the actual event itself, he is free to sit on the backbenches AND write articles for the media and go on lecture tours in America AND be the focal point for the Tory MPs who dislike the hell on earth that is the Truss government.4 -
Of all the things that Johnson is accused of, not being a narcissist is probably the most deeply unfair accusation I've seen levelled at him.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!4 -
Yes I agree with that. And yes one of his big failings was his inability to recruit and retain a talented team, in Number 10, to sweat the small stuffFishing said:
I think he's motivated when something grips him, usually a big crusade like Brexit, the vaccination campaign or the war in Ukraine. But when it's something complex, tedious and involving tradeoffs and shades of grey, like 90% of government, he mostly loses interest.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
That would be fine if he had built a competent team to attend to the detailed business of government, but he didn't. He hired the crank Dominic Cummings instead.
It’s a bit of a mystery, because he was good at it as Mayor. And he can definitely spot talent - eg Kate Bingham on vaccines3 -
That as no driving is required, in future we will have AI car reviews. From E-type to Type-E.noneoftheabove said:
When he was a motoring journalist reviewing cars he somehow managed to drive and review cars whilst the mileage stayed the same.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-cost-gq-magazine-4-000-in-parking-tickets-former-editor-claims-12598087
"When the cars were delivered to his house in Islington, the car company always made a note of the mileage, something that is standard practice.
"The mileage would also be noted when they came to pick them up again. And on more than one occasion - OK, on many, many, many occasions - the mileage was precisely the same. So I leave you to draw your own conclusions."0 -
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1564157639621312512
Very important thread from Richard Murphy.
Altering existing subsidy contracts might be difficult but giving the current Market/Strike difference back to UK consumers (Both business and residential) could be done almost immediately.1 -
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Russia has 84 words for defenestration.Andy_JS said:"Russian oil chief Maganov dies in 'fall from hospital window'"
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On your last point, I do hope that you meant to write resigning, rather than reigning.RochdalePioneers said:
1. He did cling to the doorframe. Every previous Prime Minister would have had to resign multiple times over.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!
2. He is a natural clown. We know that Bumbling Boris is an act - his given name is Alex. He ruffles the hair and crumples his clothes deliberately. He rocks up to do speeches and does the same hick "sorry I'm late, where am I" routine with the same jokes
3. Since the Tory party have chosen to rehabilitate him in the long gap between announcing he was reigning and the actual event itself, he is free to sit on the backbenches AND write articles for the media and go on lecture tours in America AND be the focal point for the Tory MPs who dislike the hell on earth that is the Truss government.1 -
I would be concerned if he approved.IshmaelZ said:1 -
I think he wants a comeback, and I don't see why that's hard work.148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
He'll be an absentee MP, making plenty of money and waiting to take over once he sees Truss is vulnerable.
Then when the time is right, he gets someone more organized than him to run his campaign.
In many ways - Boris Johnson is perfectly suited to being leader of the opposition. He's phenomenally good at getting headlines and attention. I think he'd welcome not having to actually be bothered by difficult decisions & instead just being able to criticize and say he would do things better.0 -
I disagree that Ukraine is a significant item in the new PM's in tray - beyond the obvious opportunities for self-aggrandisment on the 'Gram.IshmaelZ said:
Biden is controlling the pace of the help to Ukraine and hence the course of the war. The British PM doesn't have to "do" much about it on a daily basis.0 -
Yes, agree with that. and canned entertainment (whether streaming or gaming or social media chatting, all of which I enjoy some of the time) definitely misses a dimension compared with direct human contact, whether sex or cuddles or even just having a cuppa together.Leon said:FPT for @NickPalmer
Asexuality is absolutely a valid life choice. And one to be respected. I have asexual friends who are happy and productive citizens
I just don’t believe a life without sex would willingly be chosen by a third of men aged 18-24. That’s outwith the findings of any sexual survey in history. It’s not a healthy sign0 -
He's a rich guy who went to the right schools and knows the right people, and some people seem to find him charming. Report after report about his inattentiveness and unwillingness to do the hard graft, of aides and staffers saying he doesn't read his briefs. When he had the Brussels beat it was well discussed at the time that he didn't do any real journalism - he made up anti EU tosh to throw as red meat to the readers.Leon said:
A column for which he was paid £300,000 a year148grss said:
We get the sense that he doesn't like hard work from all the people who work with or for him calling him lazy. When you're in the positions he's in output still happens, but half of what he does in politics can be done by staff and he is just the performer (who still doesn't often learn his lines), and the stuff he did outside of politics was writing thoughtless trash that doesn't have to be true or well researched so can just be dumped in a column.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
Did the Telegraph do this out of charity? Or because he was good at it, and attracted readers?
The “Boris is lazy” stuff is just, well, lazy. It doesn’t hold up to scrutiny2 -
I know this mindset because I share it, tooNickPalmer said:
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.
It astonishes me how I can get away with doing such a small amount of work - 2 hours a day? - and still make a decent living. Unlike Boris I don’t then take on multiple tasks and careers on top of that. I loaf
Tho this raises an interesting philosophical question: is there a proper amount of work?
It was likely the industrial revolution which firmly entrenched the idea you should do 8-10 hours work a day. Before that people often did less. Hunter gatherers spend about 2 hours a day hunting. The rest is loafing. Like lions1 -
Yes, never mind the headline pro or con position, read it for things likeLuckyguy1983 said:
I would be concerned if he approved.IshmaelZ said:
"So next week she will start uniquely weak for a Prime Minister, with no base of positive support anywhere."
"It is at this point that having a weightless Prime Minister will cause problems. She will need to call for sacrifices from a public that never voted for her. She will need to persuade demonstrably sceptical MPs to vote for unpopular policies and risk their own jobs for her. How is she going to inspire and lead in those circumstances?"
"It seems more likely that there may be a policy moment (Theresa May found herself facing a vote of confidence over the Brexit withdrawal agreement and never recovered her authority). This means that Liz Truss will need to be careful to be seen to be broadly consistent with her leadership campaign — or to get her betrayals in quickly before there will be any appetite to replace her. Does she realise this?"1 -
The war seems to be doing well for Russia with their gas reserves now worth an absolute fortune and the USA with the world flocking to the good old greenback.Dura_Ace said:
I disagree that Ukraine is a significant item in the new PM's in tray - beyond the obvious opportunities for self-aggrandisment on the 'Gram.IshmaelZ said:
Biden is controlling the pace of the help to Ukraine and hence the course of the war. The British PM doesn't have to "do" much about it on a daily basis.
What's not to like about it if you're Putin or Biden ?
Xi's even making bank off it by arbing Russia's gas to more neutral nations in open disguise.0 -
We are all becoming Japanese. Not greatNickPalmer said:
Yes, agree with that. and canned entertainment (whether streaming or gaming or social media chatting, all of which I enjoy some of the time) definitely misses a dimension compared with direct human contact, whether sex or cuddles or even just having a cuppa together.Leon said:FPT for @NickPalmer
Asexuality is absolutely a valid life choice. And one to be respected. I have asexual friends who are happy and productive citizens
I just don’t believe a life without sex would willingly be chosen by a third of men aged 18-24. That’s outwith the findings of any sexual survey in history. It’s not a healthy sign0 -
He's not a narcissist. Perhaps he's a bit vain. I don't know. I've never met him. I doubt it, given how he dresses. He seems a bit cocky, but most politicians are. "Narcissist" is the playground insult du jour. If someone is a narcissist they are unbearable to live in a house with and they see other people (all other people) as you and I might see inanimate objects. Some people really are narcissists and the best people to describe what they're like are those who've suffered from their behaviour in the long term and close up. Donald Trump is a narcissist. Have you watched the video of where Johnson accidentally knocks over a young boy in a rugby match? I didn't like the way he asks "Are *you* OK?", with the emphasis on the "you", because it's a bit self-centred and bit like saying "I'm all right - how about you?" But he doesn't score anything like the mark needed for being a narcissist. The tone of his voice suggests that he does genuinely care about the lad's wellbeing, just as almost every other sane adult would. A narcissist wouldn't give a f***.Northern_Al said:
Of all the things that Johnson is accused of, not being a narcissist is probably the most deeply unfair accusation I've seen levelled at him.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!
Here is a narcissist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iimj0j4NYME0 -
But Johnson has been on the political landscape a lot longer than Trump has, as a serious contender. Trump was always a media icon, but Johnson has been on TV and such as a politician since I was a kid. I think people conflate their times in leadership, but that's because they coincided, but I think people can separate the men.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!
Johnson's "narcissism", to me, is more of a British class elite kind. He said as a child he wanted to be "King of the World". He grew up in a family, with a name, where that level of ambition was possible without actually much skill. He has some skills - he can give a speech, must have some kind of charm and charisma (I don't see it), and he obviously has an education (I don't think that is the same thing as being bright, but he may also be naturally bright). But what is clear is that he never cared about public service - he cared about being the Prime Minister. And to me that's where the attacks of narcissism make sense.0 -
Welcome to the cashless society. It is ironic Gordon Brown wasted squillions to save a working banking system to bring us to dependency on various bits of flaky IT.OldKingCole said:Off topic I realise, but I just had a letter from my bank saying they are concerned that I am 'frequently' withdrawing cash from the post office, and I should be using such things as tap and go to pay for my goods. I should also be using their app to control my spending.
It is perhaps ironic that this morning neither the app nor online banking are available from my bank!
Once we are all cashless, the government will be able to monitor everyone's spending, and block anyone it dislikes.2 -
I disagree with his proposal to violate contracts, that's not appropriate, but absolutely agreed that contracted Market/Strike differences going to the Government should be returned back to consumers.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1564157639621312512
Very important thread from Richard Murphy.
Altering existing subsidy contracts might be difficult but giving the current Market/Strike difference back to UK consumers (Both business and residential) could be done almost immediately.
As an icing on the cake, it could even be named on the bill as a "Green Rebate", because that's exactly what it is.
If we could harness the meltdown that would trigger from people like @MISTY then that would be even better.1 -
Different game, different rules. Being Prime Mnister isn't the same as being Mayor of Britain.Leon said:
Yes I agree with that. And yes one of his big failings was his inability to recruit and retain a talented team, in Number 10, to sweat the small stuffFishing said:
I think he's motivated when something grips him, usually a big crusade like Brexit, the vaccination campaign or the war in Ukraine. But when it's something complex, tedious and involving tradeoffs and shades of grey, like 90% of government, he mostly loses interest.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
That would be fine if he had built a competent team to attend to the detailed business of government, but he didn't. He hired the crank Dominic Cummings instead.
It’s a bit of a mystery, because he was good at it as Mayor. And he can definitely spot talent - eg Kate Bingham on vaccines
Deputy mayors are nobodies. Highly able nobodies, but nobodies all the same. Go on, name three of them, without looking up. Perfect role for talented people who don't want to climb the greasy pole but do want to do a bloody good job in their specialism.
Cabinet ministers are somebodies. Rivals, potential successors. That causes two problems. One is that it's not easy to appoint the best able nobodies, because they won't do the stuff to become an MP and hence eligible to become ministers. Different ways of doing democracy balance that differently, but it's one of the checks and balances that makes the British system mostly work.
The second problem is one of BoJo's apparent personality flaws- his need to be the tallest poppy. When push came to shove, his Cabinet picks were more about loyalty than ability. Really great PMs were able to appoint rivals and enemies to big jobs and Johnson didn't do that.2 -
Like most mindsets, narcissism is surely a spectrum. It’s not binaryDynamo said:
He's not a narcissist. Perhaps he's a bit vain. I don't know. I've never met him. I doubt it, given how he dresses. He seems a bit cocky too, but most politicians are. "Narcissist" is the playground insult du jour. If someone is a narcissist they are unbearable to live in a house with and they see other people (all other people) as you and I might see inanimate objects. Some people really are narcissists and the best people to describe what they're like are those who've suffered from their behaviour in the long term and close up. Donald Trump is a narcissist. Have you watched the video of where Johnson accidentally knocks over a young boy in a rugby match? I didn't like the way he asked "Are *you* OK?", with the emphasis on the "you", because it's a bit self-centred and bit like saying "I'm all right - how about you?" But he doesn't score anything like the mark needed for being a narcissist. The tone of his voice suggests that he does genuinely care about the lad's wellbeing, just as almost every other sane adult would. A narcissist wouldn't give a f***.Northern_Al said:
Of all the things that Johnson is accused of, not being a narcissist is probably the most deeply unfair accusation I've seen levelled at him.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!
I’d say Boris is definitely on that spectrum, he’s quite selfish (it seems) and will happily sacrifice others for Boris but he’s not a pathological case like Trump
I have a friend quite far down the spectrum. It is wearying indeed. Only tolerable in small doses1 -
Murphy's idea is based on the same point made before on pb, that energy is a rigged market because price is based not on scarcity but on the most expensive final fraction of production and the rest makes windfall profits.BartholomewRoberts said:
I disagree with his proposal to violate contracts, that's not appropriate, but absolutely agreed that the Market/Strike difference should be returned back to consumers.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1564157639621312512
Very important thread from Richard Murphy.
Altering existing subsidy contracts might be difficult but giving the current Market/Strike difference back to UK consumers (Both business and residential) could be done almost immediately.
As an icing on the cake, it could even be named on the bill as a "Green Rebate", because that's exactly what it is.
If we could harness the meltdown that would trigger from people like @MISTY then that would be even better.1 -
Yes, it is looking good for the US and Putin. And Xi is nobody's patsy.Pulpstar said:
The war seems to be doing well for Russia with their gas reserves now worth an absolute fortune and the USA with the world flocking to the good old greenback.Dura_Ace said:
I disagree that Ukraine is a significant item in the new PM's in tray - beyond the obvious opportunities for self-aggrandisment on the 'Gram.IshmaelZ said:
Biden is controlling the pace of the help to Ukraine and hence the course of the war. The British PM doesn't have to "do" much about it on a daily basis.
What's not to like about it if you're Putin or Biden ?
Xi's even making bank off it by arbing Russia's gas to more neutral nations in open disguise.
Europe is the fall guy in all this.0 -
Why did I say “we are all becoming Japanese” when I could have said “we are all turning Japanese”?
Pop culture pun FAIL0 -
I have a single £5 note in my phone case, and it has been the same £5 note since the third week of May (left over from a sailing trip where I needed proper money to tip with). This is already a lost battle, I think I saw the other day Starbucks don't do cash any more?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Welcome to the cashless society. It is ironic Gordon Brown wasted squillions to save a working banking system to bring us to dependency on various bits of flaky IT.OldKingCole said:Off topic I realise, but I just had a letter from my bank saying they are concerned that I am 'frequently' withdrawing cash from the post office, and I should be using such things as tap and go to pay for my goods. I should also be using their app to control my spending.
It is perhaps ironic that this morning neither the app nor online banking are available from my bank!
Once we are all cashless, the government will be able to monitor everyone's spending, and block anyone it dislikes.
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Is the friend this character @SeanT who you have now and then mentioned?Leon said:
Like most mindsets, narcissism is surely a spectrum. It’s not binaryDynamo said:
He's not a narcissist. Perhaps he's a bit vain. I don't know. I've never met him. I doubt it, given how he dresses. He seems a bit cocky too, but most politicians are. "Narcissist" is the playground insult du jour. If someone is a narcissist they are unbearable to live in a house with and they see other people (all other people) as you and I might see inanimate objects. Some people really are narcissists and the best people to describe what they're like are those who've suffered from their behaviour in the long term and close up. Donald Trump is a narcissist. Have you watched the video of where Johnson accidentally knocks over a young boy in a rugby match? I didn't like the way he asked "Are *you* OK?", with the emphasis on the "you", because it's a bit self-centred and bit like saying "I'm all right - how about you?" But he doesn't score anything like the mark needed for being a narcissist. The tone of his voice suggests that he does genuinely care about the lad's wellbeing, just as almost every other sane adult would. A narcissist wouldn't give a f***.Northern_Al said:
Of all the things that Johnson is accused of, not being a narcissist is probably the most deeply unfair accusation I've seen levelled at him.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!
I’d say Boris is definitely on that spectrum, he’s quite selfish (it seems) and will happily sacrifice others for Boris but he’s not a pathological case like Trump
I have a friend quite far down the spectrum. It is wearying indeed. Only tolerable in small doses0 -
Every person I know who knows him says he is lazy, dating back to his schooldays. He was then and he is now and I think we have all seen that these past few years.NickPalmer said:
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.
Of course he is also immensely gifted and I'm sure has no problem whatsoever knocking out (phnarr) 1,000 amusing words for a Spectator or DT audience which is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel but that's not to say there's no market for it. It is absolutely "real work" - it's just that it is the type that he has a natural affinity for.1 -
No, he goes by the name “Lord Xipe Totec” which tells you all you need to knowYBarddCwsc said:
Is the friend this character @SeanT who you have now and then mentioned?Leon said:
Like most mindsets, narcissism is surely a spectrum. It’s not binaryDynamo said:
He's not a narcissist. Perhaps he's a bit vain. I don't know. I've never met him. I doubt it, given how he dresses. He seems a bit cocky too, but most politicians are. "Narcissist" is the playground insult du jour. If someone is a narcissist they are unbearable to live in a house with and they see other people (all other people) as you and I might see inanimate objects. Some people really are narcissists and the best people to describe what they're like are those who've suffered from their behaviour in the long term and close up. Donald Trump is a narcissist. Have you watched the video of where Johnson accidentally knocks over a young boy in a rugby match? I didn't like the way he asked "Are *you* OK?", with the emphasis on the "you", because it's a bit self-centred and bit like saying "I'm all right - how about you?" But he doesn't score anything like the mark needed for being a narcissist. The tone of his voice suggests that he does genuinely care about the lad's wellbeing, just as almost every other sane adult would. A narcissist wouldn't give a f***.Northern_Al said:
Of all the things that Johnson is accused of, not being a narcissist is probably the most deeply unfair accusation I've seen levelled at him.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!
I’d say Boris is definitely on that spectrum, he’s quite selfish (it seems) and will happily sacrifice others for Boris but he’s not a pathological case like Trump
I have a friend quite far down the spectrum. It is wearying indeed. Only tolerable in small doses1 -
Braking news: Cops slammed for spamming Waze to slow drivers down
Traffic cops in Surrey, England, have drawn criticism after revealing how they game Waze to spook drivers into slowing down while out on patrol.
Waze is a satnav-like phone app that lets users, among other things, report the presence of police on the roads. When that happens, an icon appears at that location for everyone nearby to see, alerting them to the cops being there.
So what the officers do is this: while driving around on patrol, they open Waze, and every so often report their presence as they go, placing markers on the map. Nearby drivers see these icons and slow down in hope of avoiding getting a fine. They may assume speed traps have been set up all over the place, whereas in reality it's just a cop car cruising neighborhoods spamming the service.
https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/01/surrey_police_waze_traffic/
The article goes on to explain that American police have the opposite view, that this same Waze functionality allows all sorts of baddies to evade the police.0 -
I've met Boris Johnson on one occasion. My impression from that encounter was that he was very quick witted and able to talk about things so that to a casual observer he would seem to have a grasp of the subject. As we were talking about a subject that I was well versed in I could see that he had no understanding of it whatsoever. This did not prevent him conversing confidently on the topic. That clearly points towards certain abilities (communication, confidence) and certain deficiencies (incuriosity, not doing the legwork to understand something). The other impression I took away from this short encounter was that he thrived on human interaction. Perhaps to the point of neediness. He seemed genuinely sad that I didn't share his point of view on the topic we were discussing, and put out that I hadn't come round to his way of thinking simply by the power of his presence.148grss said:
But Johnson has been on the political landscape a lot longer than Trump has, as a serious contender. Trump was always a media icon, but Johnson has been on TV and such as a politician since I was a kid. I think people conflate their times in leadership, but that's because they coincided, but I think people can separate the men.Dynamo said:A lot of what people say about Johnson is influenced by what they think about Trump, even though the men and their environments differ enormously.
It was said that Johnson would be clinging on to the No10 doorframe. He has even been called a "narcissist". (He obviously isn't one. Or at least, if you run with the thesis that he is, then you'd have to conclude he has Oscar-level acting skills to masquerade as somebody who isn't.) Some say he's going to be the king over the water. (Perhaps he should pivot to supporting Scottish independence if he wants to be a full-on 45er?)
He's more likely to make some speeches in the US, churn out a couple of books, pen the occasional article for the Speccie, and do some paintings. I hope he publishes his memoirs. I'd love to hear more from him about the "condescending" people and the "deep state". And about Michael Gove the "snake" for that matter!
Johnson's "narcissism", to me, is more of a British class elite kind. He said as a child he wanted to be "King of the World". He grew up in a family, with a name, where that level of ambition was possible without actually much skill. He has some skills - he can give a speech, must have some kind of charm and charisma (I don't see it), and he obviously has an education (I don't think that is the same thing as being bright, but he may also be naturally bright). But what is clear is that he never cared about public service - he cared about being the Prime Minister. And to me that's where the attacks of narcissism make sense.
I know people who worked with him closely in local government and they all say he is charming but extremely lazy and had no interest at all in the details of governing. Because the London mayor doesn't actually do much and there are good systems in place to run things day to day that mattered a lot less than when he was in Downing Street.
Nothing about his premiership surprised me in the least and I continue to think that it is disgraceful that Tory MPs, who knew his failings all too well, made him PM.5 -
Unboxed, the ‘festival of Brexit’ has been a massive flop:
Has anyone attended any of these events? I did look at their website a few months ago but it all looked like a load of guff to me so didn’t bother. I’m surprised any arty, creative types got involved at all. But I guess £120m opens doors.
The DM are furious. Not like them.
Best rated comments below the article are surprising for the DM though. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11166831/Brexit-Fury-120million-arts-festival-celebrate-Brexit-pro-Remain-flop.html0 -
" and the rest makes windfall profits" 'the rest' currently including the treasury who you can bet are greedily eyeing the Market/Strike windfalls and adding them to the pot of general taxation received.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Murphy's idea is based on the same point made before on pb, that energy is a rigged market because price is based not on scarcity but on the most expensive final fraction of production and the rest makes windfall profits.BartholomewRoberts said:
I disagree with his proposal to violate contracts, that's not appropriate, but absolutely agreed that the Market/Strike difference should be returned back to consumers.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1564157639621312512
Very important thread from Richard Murphy.
Altering existing subsidy contracts might be difficult but giving the current Market/Strike difference back to UK consumers (Both business and residential) could be done almost immediately.
As an icing on the cake, it could even be named on the bill as a "Green Rebate", because that's exactly what it is.
If we could harness the meltdown that would trigger from people like @MISTY then that would be even better.1 -
I’ve met him, and know many that know him well, and a fairer analysis is given upthread: he gets bored easily, he cuts corners, his attention wandersTOPPING said:
Every person I know who knows him says he is lazy, dating back to his schooldays. He was then and he is now and I think we have all seen that these past few years.NickPalmer said:
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.
Of course he is also immensely gifted and I'm sure has no problem whatsoever knocking out (phnarr) 1,000 amusing words for a Spectator or DT audience which is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel but that's not to say there's no market for it. It is absolutely "real work" - it's just that it is the type that he has a natural affinity for.
That’s not quite the same as laziness0 -
How's that a rigged market?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Murphy's idea is based on the same point made before on pb, that energy is a rigged market because price is based not on scarcity but on the most expensive final fraction of production and the rest makes windfall profits.BartholomewRoberts said:
I disagree with his proposal to violate contracts, that's not appropriate, but absolutely agreed that the Market/Strike difference should be returned back to consumers.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1564157639621312512
Very important thread from Richard Murphy.
Altering existing subsidy contracts might be difficult but giving the current Market/Strike difference back to UK consumers (Both business and residential) could be done almost immediately.
As an icing on the cake, it could even be named on the bill as a "Green Rebate", because that's exactly what it is.
If we could harness the meltdown that would trigger from people like @MISTY then that would be even better.
In a market all actors generally receive the market value for their goods and services. If some firms have lower costs than others, then they don't get paid less accordingly, they make a bigger profit which encourages either them to expand (thus making more profit) or others to invest like them, which ultimately brings the price down.
That renewable firms are making a profit isn't a problem, its what is driving vast renewable investment. If they weren't making a profit, we wouldn't be getting the investment in renewables.
Invest in renewables and our demand for gas comes down, reducing gas prices, so reducing the cost of electricity. Invest enough to cease to need gas at all, the price comes down even further.0 -
The Tory Court Jester Over the Water, more like.148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.0 -
What kind of person do YouGov think I am?
Onlyfans?
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He's very good at what he's good at.TOPPING said:
Every person I know who knows him says he is lazy, dating back to his schooldays. He was then and he is now and I think we have all seen that these past few years.NickPalmer said:
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.
Of course he is also immensely gifted and I'm sure has no problem whatsoever knocking out (phnarr) 1,000 amusing words for a Spectator or DT audience which is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel but that's not to say there's no market for it. It is absolutely "real work" - it's just that it is the type that he has a natural affinity for.
Unfortunately, several of the skillsets required to stay at the absolute pinnacle simply aren't there. And it eventually finds you out.
Compare the careers of George Best and Cristiano Ronaldo for example.2 -
Indeed, it will be something like:DecrepiterJohnL said:
Welcome to the cashless society. It is ironic Gordon Brown wasted squillions to save a working banking system to bring us to dependency on various bits of flaky IT.OldKingCole said:Off topic I realise, but I just had a letter from my bank saying they are concerned that I am 'frequently' withdrawing cash from the post office, and I should be using such things as tap and go to pay for my goods. I should also be using their app to control my spending.
It is perhaps ironic that this morning neither the app nor online banking are available from my bank!
Once we are all cashless, the government will be able to monitor everyone's spending, and block anyone it dislikes.
Customer: Why can't I access any of my money?
Bank: We can't tell you, the Home Secretary has blocked it and under money laundering rules we can't tell you more.
Customer: Can I appeal?
Bank: Yes, sure, you just need to select the right appeal depending on why its been blocked.
Customer: So I can't really appeal?
Bank: Not really, but its a big enough fig leaf to allow supposed libertarians on pb to defend the indefensible creeping authoritarianism of their government.
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Even racecourses have gone cashless, to the dismay of punters who find they cannot pick up their winnings from bookmakers and immediately spend them in the champagne bar. Bosses love it because handling cash is expensive, creates a security risk, and slow. Cashless bars need fewer bar staff because tapping is a damn sight quicker than having someone walk to the till and back again with change.IshmaelZ said:
I have a single £5 note in my phone case, and it has been the same £5 note since the third week of May (left over from a sailing trip where I needed proper money to tip with). This is already a lost battle, I think I saw the other day Starbucks don't do cash any more?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Welcome to the cashless society. It is ironic Gordon Brown wasted squillions to save a working banking system to bring us to dependency on various bits of flaky IT.OldKingCole said:Off topic I realise, but I just had a letter from my bank saying they are concerned that I am 'frequently' withdrawing cash from the post office, and I should be using such things as tap and go to pay for my goods. I should also be using their app to control my spending.
It is perhaps ironic that this morning neither the app nor online banking are available from my bank!
Once we are all cashless, the government will be able to monitor everyone's spending, and block anyone it dislikes.
As rcs1000 often reminds us, automation means fewer jobs which means higher better productivity (and more unemployed people on benefits but that's a different league table).0 -
Are they all porn sites?! I only know Only Fans. Ex wife makes money from itTheScreamingEagles said:What kind of person do YouGov think I am?
Onlyfans?0 -
I had never heard of it, seems to have been on the go since may.northern_monkey said:Unboxed, the ‘festival of Brexit’ has been a massive flop:
Has anyone attended any of these events? I did look at their website a few months ago but it all looked like a load of guff to me so didn’t bother. I’m surprised any arty, creative types got involved at all. But I guess £120m opens doors.
The DM are furious. Not like them.
Best rated comments below the article are surprising for the DM though. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11166831/Brexit-Fury-120million-arts-festival-celebrate-Brexit-pro-Remain-flop.html
In other news, I thought Liz's "fiscal event" vs budget was rather good satire on the theme of war vs Special Military Operation. I have just found out it's for real.
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Who do they think they areOldKingCole said:Off topic I realise, but I just had a letter from my bank saying they are concerned that I am 'frequently' withdrawing cash from the post office, and I should be using such things as tap and go to pay for my goods. I should also be using their app to control my spending.
It is perhaps ironic that this morning neither the app nor online banking are available from my bank!
You deal with your money as you wish @OldKingCole0 -
Where did it all go wrong George?dixiedean said:
He's very good at what he's good at.TOPPING said:
Every person I know who knows him says he is lazy, dating back to his schooldays. He was then and he is now and I think we have all seen that these past few years.NickPalmer said:
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.
Of course he is also immensely gifted and I'm sure has no problem whatsoever knocking out (phnarr) 1,000 amusing words for a Spectator or DT audience which is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel but that's not to say there's no market for it. It is absolutely "real work" - it's just that it is the type that he has a natural affinity for.
Unfortunately, several of the skillsets required to stay at the absolute pinnacle simply aren't there. And it eventually finds you out.
Compare the careers of George Best and Cristiano Ronaldo for example.1 -
Hold physical gold. Baked beans. Tinfoil.noneoftheabove said:
Indeed, it will be something like:DecrepiterJohnL said:
Welcome to the cashless society. It is ironic Gordon Brown wasted squillions to save a working banking system to bring us to dependency on various bits of flaky IT.OldKingCole said:Off topic I realise, but I just had a letter from my bank saying they are concerned that I am 'frequently' withdrawing cash from the post office, and I should be using such things as tap and go to pay for my goods. I should also be using their app to control my spending.
It is perhaps ironic that this morning neither the app nor online banking are available from my bank!
Once we are all cashless, the government will be able to monitor everyone's spending, and block anyone it dislikes.
Customer: Why can't I access any of my money?
Bank: We can't tell you, the Home Secretary has blocked it and under money laundering rules we can't tell you more.
Customer: Can I appeal?
Bank: Yes, sure, you just need to select the right appeal depending on why its been blocked.
Customer: So I can't really appeal?
Bank: Not really, but its a big enough fig leaf to allow supposed libertarians on pb to defend the indefensible creeping authoritarianism of their government.
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I've never quite understood how Only Fans works. In particular, how do punters find out what is available before signing up? Is there an extensive searchable database?Leon said:
Are they all porn sites?! I only know Only Fans. Ex wife makes money from itTheScreamingEagles said:What kind of person do YouGov think I am?
Onlyfans?0 -
With lions, the males tend to sit around while the females hunt. (And you don't want to know about their family relationships.) I trust the similarity of name is purely accidental.Leon said:
I know this mindset because I share it, tooNickPalmer said:
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.
It astonishes me how I can get away with doing such a small amount of work - 2 hours a day? - and still make a decent living. Unlike Boris I don’t then take on multiple tasks and careers on top of that. I loaf
Tho this raises an interesting philosophical question: is there a proper amount of work?
It was likely the industrial revolution which firmly entrenched the idea you should do 8-10 hours work a day. Before that people often did less. Hunter gatherers spend about 2 hours a day hunting. The rest is loafing. Like lions1 -
"In a market all actors generally receive the market value for their goods and services."BartholomewRoberts said:
How's that a rigged market?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Murphy's idea is based on the same point made before on pb, that energy is a rigged market because price is based not on scarcity but on the most expensive final fraction of production and the rest makes windfall profits.BartholomewRoberts said:
I disagree with his proposal to violate contracts, that's not appropriate, but absolutely agreed that the Market/Strike difference should be returned back to consumers.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1564157639621312512
Very important thread from Richard Murphy.
Altering existing subsidy contracts might be difficult but giving the current Market/Strike difference back to UK consumers (Both business and residential) could be done almost immediately.
As an icing on the cake, it could even be named on the bill as a "Green Rebate", because that's exactly what it is.
If we could harness the meltdown that would trigger from people like @MISTY then that would be even better.
In a market all actors generally receive the market value for their goods and services. If some firms have lower costs than others, then they don't get paid less accordingly, they make a bigger profit which encourages either them to expand (thus making more profit) or others to invest like them, which ultimately brings the price down.
That renewable firms are making a profit isn't a problem, its what is driving vast renewable investment. If they weren't making a profit, we wouldn't be getting the investment in renewables.
Invest in renewables and our demand for gas comes down, reducing gas prices, so reducing the cost of electricity. Invest enough to cease to need gas at all, the price comes down even further.
All actors certainly are NOT receiving the market value for their goods and services. I'm receiving 5.99p/kwH for each unit of solar I export to the grid and that new windfarm Hornsea is receiving 5.5p/kwh for each unit they send to the grid.
Now whilst we're both perfectly happy with these arrangements as they're part of longstanding contracts that were previously subsidising my solar and historic wind (Where strike prices agreed were higher) the UK consumer is currently benefitting sweet fuck all from these lower priced inputs to the grid.2 -
Punters are teased with free material and promised better stuff beyond the paywallDecrepiterJohnL said:
I've never quite understood how Only Fans works. In particular, how do punters find out what is available before signing up? Is there an extensive searchable database?Leon said:
Are they all porn sites?! I only know Only Fans. Ex wife makes money from itTheScreamingEagles said:What kind of person do YouGov think I am?
Onlyfans?
The sums are usually tiny so it’s worth the risk1 -
Yes; apparently a wheeze to avoid OBR forecasts that are needed for a "budget".IshmaelZ said:
I had never heard of it, seems to have been on the go since may.northern_monkey said:Unboxed, the ‘festival of Brexit’ has been a massive flop:
Has anyone attended any of these events? I did look at their website a few months ago but it all looked like a load of guff to me so didn’t bother. I’m surprised any arty, creative types got involved at all. But I guess £120m opens doors.
The DM are furious. Not like them.
Best rated comments below the article are surprising for the DM though. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11166831/Brexit-Fury-120million-arts-festival-celebrate-Brexit-pro-Remain-flop.html
In other news, I thought Liz's "fiscal event" vs budget was rather good satire on the theme of war vs Special Military Operation. I have just found out it's for real.0 -
Another subtle point. Whilst the algorithm remains unchanged it will increase inflation over and above what it should be - so the cost of renewable electricity (As it's all index linked) will rise to higher than it otherwise should. Which of course feeds back into inflation.Pulpstar said:
"In a market all actors generally receive the market value for their goods and services."BartholomewRoberts said:
How's that a rigged market?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Murphy's idea is based on the same point made before on pb, that energy is a rigged market because price is based not on scarcity but on the most expensive final fraction of production and the rest makes windfall profits.BartholomewRoberts said:
I disagree with his proposal to violate contracts, that's not appropriate, but absolutely agreed that the Market/Strike difference should be returned back to consumers.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1564157639621312512
Very important thread from Richard Murphy.
Altering existing subsidy contracts might be difficult but giving the current Market/Strike difference back to UK consumers (Both business and residential) could be done almost immediately.
As an icing on the cake, it could even be named on the bill as a "Green Rebate", because that's exactly what it is.
If we could harness the meltdown that would trigger from people like @MISTY then that would be even better.
In a market all actors generally receive the market value for their goods and services. If some firms have lower costs than others, then they don't get paid less accordingly, they make a bigger profit which encourages either them to expand (thus making more profit) or others to invest like them, which ultimately brings the price down.
That renewable firms are making a profit isn't a problem, its what is driving vast renewable investment. If they weren't making a profit, we wouldn't be getting the investment in renewables.
Invest in renewables and our demand for gas comes down, reducing gas prices, so reducing the cost of electricity. Invest enough to cease to need gas at all, the price comes down even further.
All actors certainly are NOT receiving the market value for their goods and services. I'm receiving 5.99p/kwH for each unit of solar I export to the grid and that new windfarm Hornsea is receiving 5.5p/kwh for each unit they send to the grid.
Now whilst we're both perfectly happy with these arrangements as they're part of longstanding contracts that were previously subsidising my solar and historic wind (Where strike prices agreed were higher) the UK consumer is currently benefitting sweet fuck all from these lower priced inputs to the grid.
The current system works for Gazprom, BP, Shell and short term the treasury (Even though they'll pay more but whoever iseyeing up that pot won't be thinking about that currently) but not so much for anyone else.1 -
Another dash of data to add to the *Were The Lockdowns Worth It* cake-mix. From the USA
The Pandemic Erased Two Decades of Progress in Math and Reading
The results of a national test showed just how devastating the last two years have been for 9-year-old schoolchildren, especially the most vulnerable.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/national-test-scores-math-reading-pandemic.amp.html2 -
Kinda. Camgirl sites and the occasional hookup.Leon said:
Are they all porn sites?! I only know Only Fans. Ex wife makes money from itTheScreamingEagles said:What kind of person do YouGov think I am?
Onlyfans?
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Re writing, it's much easier to knock off a general audience piece for a newspaper or magazine than it is to do a full scholarly paper. The former can be comment, it has far less detail to check, it is shorter, and so on. The latter has to be watertight and documented and all the bases and loopholes covered. It takes far, far longer to do. Indeed, they're so different that they almost need different brains - it's only the keyboard and screen that are in common. Being a Speccy columnist versus PM is like that. In the former, a CBA attitude is easy - you just pick a different topic or route. In the latter, it's fatal.TOPPING said:
Every person I know who knows him says he is lazy, dating back to his schooldays. He was then and he is now and I think we have all seen that these past few years.NickPalmer said:
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.
Of course he is also immensely gifted and I'm sure has no problem whatsoever knocking out (phnarr) 1,000 amusing words for a Spectator or DT audience which is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel but that's not to say there's no market for it. It is absolutely "real work" - it's just that it is the type that he has a natural affinity for.
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So all fluff really?Leon said:
Punters are teased with free material and promised better stuff beyond the paywallDecrepiterJohnL said:
I've never quite understood how Only Fans works. In particular, how do punters find out what is available before signing up? Is there an extensive searchable database?Leon said:
Are they all porn sites?! I only know Only Fans. Ex wife makes money from itTheScreamingEagles said:What kind of person do YouGov think I am?
Onlyfans?
The sums are usually tiny so it’s worth the risk0 -
That's why I said 'generally', those on contracts get their contracted rate, whether that be subsidising you or you selling under the market rate, for the duration of the contract.Pulpstar said:
"In a market all actors generally receive the market value for their goods and services."BartholomewRoberts said:
How's that a rigged market?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Murphy's idea is based on the same point made before on pb, that energy is a rigged market because price is based not on scarcity but on the most expensive final fraction of production and the rest makes windfall profits.BartholomewRoberts said:
I disagree with his proposal to violate contracts, that's not appropriate, but absolutely agreed that the Market/Strike difference should be returned back to consumers.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1564157639621312512
Very important thread from Richard Murphy.
Altering existing subsidy contracts might be difficult but giving the current Market/Strike difference back to UK consumers (Both business and residential) could be done almost immediately.
As an icing on the cake, it could even be named on the bill as a "Green Rebate", because that's exactly what it is.
If we could harness the meltdown that would trigger from people like @MISTY then that would be even better.
In a market all actors generally receive the market value for their goods and services. If some firms have lower costs than others, then they don't get paid less accordingly, they make a bigger profit which encourages either them to expand (thus making more profit) or others to invest like them, which ultimately brings the price down.
That renewable firms are making a profit isn't a problem, its what is driving vast renewable investment. If they weren't making a profit, we wouldn't be getting the investment in renewables.
Invest in renewables and our demand for gas comes down, reducing gas prices, so reducing the cost of electricity. Invest enough to cease to need gas at all, the price comes down even further.
All actors certainly are NOT receiving the market value for their goods and services. I'm receiving 5.99p/kwH for each unit of solar I export to the grid and that new windfarm Hornsea is receiving 5.5p/kwh for each unit they send to the grid.
Now whilst we're both perfectly happy with these arrangements as they're part of longstanding contracts that were previously subsidising my solar and historic wind (Where strike prices agreed were higher) the UK consumer is currently benefitting sweet fuck all from these lower priced inputs to the grid.
Those who are not contracted and are on the market rate, generally get the market rate though, not a lower rate simply because they're more efficient and their costs are lower.
If the Treasury are getting a windfall from these cost savings, then as I said that Treasury windfall should be rebated back to the consumers paying the bills as a Green Rebate rather than Green Levy.
If renewable firms not on contracts like yours are getting a windfall because they're on the market rate and their costs are low, then good for them and that ought to be taxed as part of ordinary taxation on their profits and their profits ought to encourage further investments in renewables.0 -
That’s really not true. Otherwise all the people doing the hard, scholarly papers would be knocking out easy columns for £300,000 a year. They aren’t, because it is in fact difficult. Few have the skill. Those that do are therefore well rewardedCarnyx said:
Re writing, it's much easier to knock off a general audience piece for a newspaper or magazine than it is to do a full scholarly paper. The former can be comment, it has far less detail to check, it is shorter, and so on. The latter has to be watertight and documented and all the bases and loopholes covered. It takes far, far longer to do. Indeed, they're so different that they almost need different brains - it's only the keyboard and screen that are in common. Being a Speccy columnist versus PM is like that. In the former, a CBA attitude is easy - you just pick a different topic or route. In the latter, it's fatal.TOPPING said:
Every person I know who knows him says he is lazy, dating back to his schooldays. He was then and he is now and I think we have all seen that these past few years.NickPalmer said:
Well, I do know him a bit, and my impression is that he avoids hard work, because he's found that he can get by without it. If you have a fast mind (and he does) you can get maybe 70% of your tasks done in 20% of the time available, and if you're also charming and amusing (and he is), you can top that up to an apparent 110%.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
I empathise a bit - I have a quick mind too (minus the charisma), and it's quite seductive not to bother with the 100%, especially as I don't find that really putting in the effort gets me to 100% quality anyway - more like 85%. Not comparing myself to the PM, but maybe there's a similar process going on. I've got this week off work, and in theory I could be taking the time to really understand some complex issue. Instead, it's more fun just to chat here.
Of course he is also immensely gifted and I'm sure has no problem whatsoever knocking out (phnarr) 1,000 amusing words for a Spectator or DT audience which is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel but that's not to say there's no market for it. It is absolutely "real work" - it's just that it is the type that he has a natural affinity for.
One of these skills is concision. Making an interesting point in as few words as possible, while remaining memorable and vivid
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Nah, you’re getting him wrong, and not paying enough attention to testimony from those that have known him best. He’s bright enough to be able to (or to think that he is) wing those roles with the minimum of preparation or application, then he landed in the one job that you can’t do that way, and got found out.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
There’s a difference between being busy, and making a real effort.0 -
Yougov is doing your day job for you. Just add all those sites to Appendix C of your report on dodgy sites bankers should avoid. Obviously, you'll need to do a modicum of due diligence research to check Yougov has not slipped in a fake site to the question.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kinda. Camgirl sites and the occasional hookup.Leon said:
Are they all porn sites?! I only know Only Fans. Ex wife makes money from itTheScreamingEagles said:What kind of person do YouGov think I am?
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Ah, OnlyFans. A great British tech success story that politicians can’t talk about.3
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As a more general point (as I sit readying for breakfast in the shadow of Mount Washington), it is genuinely remarkable what it seems to be possible to get some Americans to pay money for.paulyork64 said:Who in America is paying money to listen to Theresa May do lectures?
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Maybe they have analytics on you? Which they paid good money for. When they could have read this site and got it all for free 😆TheScreamingEagles said:
Kinda. Camgirl sites and the occasional hookup.Leon said:
Are they all porn sites?! I only know Only Fans. Ex wife makes money from itTheScreamingEagles said:What kind of person do YouGov think I am?
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In this case it may be just that there are so many of them (Americans, that is). There aren’t enough ex-presidents to go around, so an ex prime minister will do in a pinch.IanB2 said:
As a more general point (as I sit readying for breakfast in the shadow of Mount Washington), it is genuinely remarkable what it seems to be possible to get some Americans to pay money for.paulyork64 said:Who in America is paying money to listen to Theresa May do lectures?
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We will have to disagreeIanB2 said:
Nah, you’re getting him wrong, and not paying enough attention to testimony from those that have known him best. He’s bright enough to be able to (or to think that he is) wing those roles with the minimum of preparation or application, then he landed in the one job that you can’t do that way, and got found out.Leon said:
I dunno where people get the idea “Boris hates hard work”148grss said:Do we really think he cares enough to fight for a comeback, or does he just want to make quick money by writing columns and doing talks at fancy dinners? I mean, a comeback sounds like hard work, and we know Johnson hates hard work.
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns as an MP rather than get kicked out by the electorate, that he'll become the Tory King over the Water, and he'll just make money doing the kind of stuff all ex PMs do.
In his time he’s been a successful foreign correspondent, editor of the Spectator, mayor of London, Brexit campaigner, Commons MP, Cabinet Minister, and Prime Minister
He’s also been a novelist, columnist and TV presenter. And he doesn’t slack when it comes to the laydeez
You can dodge tasks in life, to an extent, but you can’t do all that without some real graft
Boris’ “problem” is that he is very bright so he can make all this seem bumblingly effortless: so that is what people perceive
There’s a difference between being busy, and making a real effort.
I actually believe he was a pretty good prime minister, given an unbelievably difficult hand to play. For a start he won a majority and therefore got Brexit done: winning is a vital part of politics
He then faced a global pandemic. He made errors there - masks, borders, too many boffins - but he also achieved notable successes: vaccines, resisting lockdown 4
He handled Ukraine so well he is now a Ukrainian national hero
That’s not bad. Remoaners will never accept it, because they loathe him irrationally, but his CV is quite decent
He was brought down by personal quirks and flaws, not inability. He’s arrogant and thought the rules didn’t apply to him, he’s a libertine so he let the staff play
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Good time filler when at work, perusing “tractor sites”carnforth said:Ah, OnlyFans. A great British tech success story that politicians can’t talk about.
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Are you having an attack of The Vapors?Leon said:
We are all becoming Japanese. Not greatNickPalmer said:
Yes, agree with that. and canned entertainment (whether streaming or gaming or social media chatting, all of which I enjoy some of the time) definitely misses a dimension compared with direct human contact, whether sex or cuddles or even just having a cuppa together.Leon said:FPT for @NickPalmer
Asexuality is absolutely a valid life choice. And one to be respected. I have asexual friends who are happy and productive citizens
I just don’t believe a life without sex would willingly be chosen by a third of men aged 18-24. That’s outwith the findings of any sexual survey in history. It’s not a healthy sign3 -
Boris speech.
Very pro-nuclear. And pro-wind. Not impressed with fracking.
Very substantial sums of help forthcoming.
Why on Earth this is happening now is an intriguing question.1 -
Such as? Self-help "bibles"? Poodle parlour services?IanB2 said:
As a more general point (as I sit readying for breakfast in the shadow of Mount Washington), it is genuinely remarkable what it seems to be possible to get some Americans to pay money for.paulyork64 said:Who in America is paying money to listen to Theresa May do lectures?
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