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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    Sandpit said:

    $20 a day, call it $4,000 a year, in extra commuting costs. You may not think that’s a lot of money… Corbyn might call it the Zil Lane.

    And you know that in the UK, it would be one of three or four *existing* lanes used for the fast track, rather than any expansion of capacity for the scheme. Remember Clarkson and his tirade against Prescott’s M4 bus lane two decades ago?
    The point is that it's OPTIONAL. You can sit in traffic. Or you can pay to avoid it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,131
    Endillion said:

    You say that like it's a bad thing.
    On the economy it’s probably a good thing, but it does mean people don’t really know what they would be getting and a continuation of governmenr by soundbite and u-turn with nothing seen through properly.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,772
    Rishi gets the first clap.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    Rishi gets the first clap.....
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,508
    Leon said:

    Can I just point out the overt kinkery evidenced by Liz Truss’s dress and necklace?

    She is totally Fetlife; probably domme

    omg yes, almost finlandic.....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,232
    MattW said:

    Isn't that a Red Herring from Soph?

    "Would you deploy the RN to the Black Sea to protect grain shipments".

    Is that not prevented by the exclusion of warships from the Black Sea by Turkey under the Montreux Convention at the current time of tension?

    There have been a variety of suggestions floated, diplomatically, about escorting grain shipments. All would require Turkish cooperation in terms of labelling it a humanitarian effort etc.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    Sunak is winning just through greater airtime and exposure so far, i would say. Truss seems less combative than I would expect at dealing with all the domination efforts so far.


    A draw at present, bit that is good for Truss.

    I like the way they went straight from encouraging international investment, to hostility to Chinese investment. Hostility to what is shortly to be the world's biggest economy, and a major overseas investor, without a blush.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,683
    Winchester - £45K annual fees I'm told.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Was that the first round of applause from the audience for Sunak's "this is who I am" speech?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Good slap down of the BBC for focussing on trivia

    Just quoting the campaigns, a touch hypocritical to complain.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327
    Roundhay school is no sink comp!
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 913

    For 5 minutes. Then she lived in Leeds and was so horrified by the kids in her high school that she joined the LibDems
    Going to High School in Leeds made me a Link Dem voter...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Sunak said he backed removing Boris on principle
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Leon said:

    Sunak is quite boring. Shut up about the fucking pharmacy

    I thought you liked drugs...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    Rishi's heartwarming middle class to richer tale
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    BBC looking ridiculous with all this class warfare fashion bollocks. Ask them about energy security this winter and beyond you morons! And blowing the Ukraine question with a nonsense about whether to send the Royal Navy into the Black Sea.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited July 2022

    Sunak had to shake things up, but seems to have calmed down now. Truss doing a bit better now, but from the Labour side I really don't think either of them are very scary.

    Agreed, however I'd caveat that by saying Truss IS what little old blue rinse ladies who wish Maggie was still here like. As was May, until she kicked them in the teeth over care.
    She will energise the base, however i dont see her inspiring the electorate at large
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    Lord, Truss is awful.....
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849

    Truss keeps talking about her experience growing up DURING A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT

    No no, the LEA was Labour. So she joined the LibDems to campaign for improvements, though now lies about actually joining the Tories because it definitely wasn't the Tory government's fault.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,682
    Pulpstar said:

    Rishi's heartwarming middle class to richer tale

    Can relate.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    Truss is a switch
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327
    Has Liz mentioned that she delivered trade deals?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Rishi's heartwarming middle class to richer tale

    If only Rishis grandad was standing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,189
    edited July 2022
    kinabalu said:

    Truss improving slightly. Just very slightly.

    Yes, because it is no longer all about economics where Rishi just runs rings around her.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,530
    edited July 2022

    Winchester - £45K annual fees I'm told.

    In CH4 hit piece they said they were 25k (in todays money) when he went, which is still a hell of a out of money, but it appears his folks sacrificed a lot to stretch themselves to afford it.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 913
    Leon said:

    Truss is a switch

    Should I Google that?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    Sunak is quite boring. Shut up about the fucking pharmacy

    Don't be racist.
  • BalrogBalrog Posts: 207
    Leon said:

    Can I just point out the overt kinkery evidenced by Liz Truss’s dress and necklace?

    She is totally Fetlife; probably domme

    I wonder what the Venn diagram of PBers and fetlife users would be...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    One of these two is going to be staring down Putin by the autumn.

    Eek.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Leon said:

    Sunak is quite boring. Shut up about the fucking pharmacy

    But the Blessed Margaret always talked about how she was a chemist.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Jonathan said:

    Just quoting the campaigns, a touch hypocritical to complain.
    If the media didn't give the trivia oxygen, the campaigns would learn soon enough that there's no point indulging in it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,355

    He's simply twice as smart as her, no? (Not that that is necessarily a decisive factor with the relevant electorate.)

    I don't think that's true. She rose to become economic director of Cable & Wireless and became deputy director of Reform and authored several reports on education reform.

    She's not an idiot. The issue is that she's impulsive and a bit off the wall / bonkers.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    Foxy said:

    I thought you liked drugs...
    ...not from a pharmacy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    Roundhay school is no sink comp!

    Apart from anything else, one of their alumni went to Oxford to do PPE and most likely become PM.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,644
    Leon said:

    Truss is a switch

    Que?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    Ok wait. Truss struggling

    You can see why the membership were desperate for Kemi Badenoch.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,772
    Rishi gets a 2nd clap.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    Both would make decent prime ministers, neither is inspiring
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,205

    Good slap down of the BBC for focussing on trivia

    The point is these attacks, including the ones about trivia, are being made by the campaign teams. Liz Truss was invited to disown the attack on Rishi's clothes bill, and did not do so. She wants her campaign team to throw as much mud as possible while her own hands stay clean. Doubtless the same for Rishi.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,682
    Unpopular said:

    Should I Google that?
    Yes, it is someone switches between being a dom and a sub.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,355
    Rishi a bit better in the last few minutes - got a couple of rounds of applause.
  • Conservatives in Stoke keep clapping Rishi occasionally......
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,232
    Foxy said:


    A draw at present, bit that is good for Truss.

    I like the way they went straight from encouraging international investment, to hostility to Chinese investment. Hostility to what is shortly to be the world's biggest economy, and a major overseas investor, without a blush.
    Absolutely. We should be looking to enhance our links. With China

    What about purchasing Uyghurs from China? This would play to our traditional skills in the slave trade.

    In addition to working for free (reducing the spiralling costs of employment), we could utilise them in medical research, speeding up the development of Biotech Britain.

    It would make the Chinese happy and everything. Win, win & win.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,682

    In CH4 hit piece they said they were 25k (in todays money) when he went, which is still a hell of a out of money, but it appears his folks sacrificed a lot to stretch themselves to afford it.
    Asian parents making sacrifices so their kids have the best education?

    Absolutely unheard of.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Truss says Boris' mistakes were not enough to remove him as PM
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    ydoethur said:

    The only consistent thing about this thread is how wildly everyone disagrees on how any given candidate is doing at any given moment.

    And it's not as though you're even plugging your favourites.

    That tells me whatever else is happening it's not being well run or a particularly profitable exercise.

    My favourite has been Rishi for 2 years. But he will lose badly. Despite as I type this getting the 2nd round of applause (the *only* applause). And I know that Truss will be the catastrofuck that destroys the Tory party for another political generation.

    I think the UK will be seriously buggered if she wins, but she will win. So what fun we are having!!!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    He's simply twice as smart as her, no? (Not that that is necessarily a decisive factor with the relevant electorate.)

    Possibly, but being extra smart isn't necessarily an advantage in politics as you say.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    kinabalu said:

    It's risk reward. The reward is she could crumble. The risk is he looks a bully. Worth taking because he knows he's behind.
    Yep, he failed to rattle her despite decent performances in the other debates, he needs her to visibly trip up.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Leon said:

    Both would make decent prime ministers, neither is inspiring

    Nice one, satire lives.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Oh dear Truss thinks Johnson should have stayed in his job .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,530
    edited July 2022
    Not watching, anything on cost of living or crime (especially violent crime)....or is it just nonsense about costs of nice suits and who went to the better school?
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    IanB2 said:

    On the economy it’s probably a good thing, but it does mean people don’t really know what they would be getting and a continuation of governmenr by soundbite and u-turn with nothing seen through properly.
    Tory members get a platform that can win the next election, and everyone else doesn't have a vote so they can't have been misled.

    (I don't really disagree, btw.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    edited July 2022

    Yes, it is someone switches between being a dom and a sub.
    The necklace suggests sub; the dress suggests domme; therefore I say: switch
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,205

    But the Blessed Margaret always talked about how she was a chemist.
    And about her father's grocers shop.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Both were very disappointing on the environment. Really poor.

    The answer is more recycling apparently.

    The 1980s rang and want their environmental policies back.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,131
    MikeL said:

    Rishi gets the first clap.

    I’d put money on Liz having that T-shirt already
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    Unpopular said:

    Going to High School in Leeds made me a Link Dem voter...
    Lib Dems are now the most Southern, most ABC1 party of all. :smile:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    Has Liz mentioned that she delivered trade deals?

    Thankfully for her the entire party have been selling her success there for several years, so she probably doesn't even need to!
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 913

    Yes, it is someone switches between being a dom and a sub.
    Seems I'm more sheltered than I thought. If only I'd gone to Roundhay!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,530
    nico679 said:

    Oh dear Truss thinks Johnson should have stayed in his job .

    Are we sure she isn't still a Lib Dem?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited July 2022

    Winchester - £45K annual fees I'm told.

    I thought Rishi got a scholarship.

    Though having said that, mum and dad being a Community Pharmacist and a Doctor is a classic route to security and wealth.

    My Uni had a lot of pharmacists, and the NHS / Community choice was portrayed as between interesting and rich.
  • A spokesman for Liz Truss claims that Rishi Sunak is not fit for office:

    'Rishi Sunak has tonight proven he is not fit for office

    'His aggressive mansplaining and shouty private school behaviour is desperate, unbecoming and is a gift to Labour'
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,160
    Leon said:

    The necklace suggests sub; the dress suggests domme; therefore I say: switch
    Huh. I interpreted the necklace the other way round...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,355
    Truss has gone off the boil in the last few minutes whilst Rishi has calmed down a bit.

    He has to stop these long lists though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Leon said:

    Both would make decent prime ministers, neither is inspiring

    People need some inspiration sometimes, but we can do without it for a bit if - and it is a big if - we get the decent part for awhile.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,397

    At any time anyone could have criticised what they were doing. “We need to clear the test area”. “We need a $10 temperature sensor on the tank”.

    No one mandated that test was run that way - just no one enforced any kind of discipline.
    What exactly is your point? They were employees of a company, doing tests for the company. If there is *any* chance of a serious life-threatening event occurring, the company needs to ensure that the tests are as safe as possible, given the knowledge.

    Do you blame Chernobyl on the engineers in the control room, or on the system that led them to make those mistakes?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,160

    A spokesman for Liz Truss claims that Rishi Sunak is not fit for office:

    'Rishi Sunak has tonight proven he is not fit for office

    'His aggressive mansplaining and shouty private school behaviour is desperate, unbecoming and is a gift to Labour'

    Reads PB
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327
    Leon said:

    Sunak is quite boring. Shut up about the fucking pharmacy

    It's almost as dreary as Truss's trade deals narrative.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 913
    MattW said:

    Lib Dems are now the most Southern, most ABC1 party of all. :smile:
    I'm nothing if not aspirational
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Only 9 minutes left of the final debate. Can we have extra time and penalties please?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,160
    Truss is losing it now. Wrong-footed by the support for Johnson.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,530
    MattW said:

    I thought Rishi got a scholarship.
    No Ch4 asked Sunak and he said no. There is an interview with his parents who said it was a big step up from the fees they paid for his education previously, but they sacrificed a huge amount to stretch to the fees as they wanted to the best for him.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,131
    HYUFD said:

    Truss says Boris' mistakes were not enough to remove him as PM

    She will regret that, later
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,695

    Can relate.
    You messed up the "marry a billionaire" bit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    nico679 said:

    Oh dear Truss thinks Johnson should have stayed in his job .

    Plays well with the former loyalists (I say former, as if someone is loyal to Boris now at the expense of a new leader they are now rebels), and those who don't actually agree he should have stayed, but feel guilty about having thought he should go?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Leon said:

    The necklace suggests sub; the dress suggests domme; therefore I say: switch
    No way. She has a selection of whips.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277

    A spokesman for Liz Truss claims that Rishi Sunak is not fit for office:

    'Rishi Sunak has tonight proven he is not fit for office

    'His aggressive mansplaining and shouty private school behaviour is desperate, unbecoming and is a gift to Labour'

    Liz Truss wanted Johnson to stay on . That should be enough to disqualify her.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    He's simply twice as smart as her, no? (Not that that is necessarily a decisive factor with the relevant electorate.)

    Depends if she knows she's talking incoherent nonsense.

    If she doesn't I'd agree she isn't the brightest.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560

    Not watching, anything on cost of living or crime (especially violent crime)....or is it just nonsense about costs of nice suits and who went to the better school?

    The first section was on cost of living. Truss said she'd offer immediate "help", Sunak didn't.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Truss says she doesn’t think Johnson deserved to be kicked out by colleagues. “He made mistakes but I didn’t think the mistakes he made were sufficient that the Conservative Party should have rejected him”

    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1551670988949127170
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    A spokesman for Liz Truss claims that Rishi Sunak is not fit for office:

    'Rishi Sunak has tonight proven he is not fit for office

    'His aggressive mansplaining and shouty private school behaviour is desperate, unbecoming and is a gift to Labour'

    Is that a real quote? Because that is very snowflakey.
  • BournvilleBournville Posts: 309

    No way. She has a selection of whips.
    If you believe some of the rumours in Westminster at the moment, she's very much a dom.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    Eabhal said:

    Reads PB
    Posts on PB maybe?
  • Driver said:

    The first section was on cost of living. Truss said she'd offer immediate "help", Sunak didn't.
    Yes what sort of help, I’m sure if it was a Labour candidate you’d be saying no detail
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MattW said:

    I thought Rishi got a scholarship.

    Though having said that, mum and dad being a Community Pharmacist and a Doctor is a classic route to security and wealth.

    My Uni had a lot of pharmacists, and the NHS / Community choice was portrayed as between interesting and rich.
    He was in a house, proper scholarship boys is in College...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,773

    Sunak had to shake things up, but seems to have calmed down now. Truss doing a bit better now, but from the Labour side I really don't think either of them are very scary.

    The prospect of Liz as PM scares me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272

    In CH4 hit piece they said they were 25k (in todays money) when he went, which is still a hell of a out of money, but it appears his folks sacrificed a lot to stretch themselves to afford it.
    From the Winchester College Website for 22-23 year:

    The fee for Boarding pupils will be £45,936 per annum (£15,312 per term).
    The fee for Day pupils will be £33,990 per annum (£11,330 per term).

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Rishi FPN Sunak leading on trust and offering a fresh start.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Eabhal said:

    Huh. I interpreted the necklace the other way round...
    The ring suggests a collar. If it had been a key hanging from it...
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Truss absolutely bang on - this campaign has not been particularly nasty, even by internal party standards - these two (and those already eliminated) just disagree fundamentally on our way forward. Almost all the real arguments have been heavily focused on the issues, not trivia about clothes etc.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,682

    You messed up the "marry a billionaire" bit.
    Well I did join the London property market in 2000 which is a close second.
  • Genuinely the environment stuff was an absolute joke. Fucking joke
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    You messed up the "marry a billionaire" bit.
    And thanks to governments of the last 20 years there's more billionaires than ever, and more poor people, so we've all got a better chance at that than we used to have
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,530
    edited July 2022
    Foxy said:

    From the Winchester College Website for 22-23 year:

    The fee for Boarding pupils will be £45,936 per annum (£15,312 per term).
    The fee for Day pupils will be £33,990 per annum (£11,330 per term).

    WHEN HE WENT, it was 25k in todays money adjusted for inflation....I am just quoting CH4. We all know how private school fees have gone totally bonkers over the past 20 years.

    If it was now, I doubt Mr and Mrs Sunak could find 2x the money to send him and that has become true of a lot of middle class parents who used to stretch themselves to send their kids to private schools.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,355

    Truss says she doesn’t think Johnson deserved to be kicked out by colleagues. “He made mistakes but I didn’t think the mistakes he made were sufficient that the Conservative Party should have rejected him”

    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1551670988949127170

    She's going for votes.
  • The BBC have had a lot of filler segments. Could have covered another topic such as NHS backlogs
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,131
    HYUFD said:

    Truss says Boris' mistakes were not enough to remove him as PM

    She will regret that, later
    kle4 said:

    Is that a real quote? Because that is very snowflakey.
    Nadine’s tweets are up on screen
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Raworth should be shutting down Sunak more - he keeps going on - not sure it’s doing him any favours…..
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    Have either of them explained how they are helping vulnerable and ordinary people through the cost of living crisis, or how they are going to rescue the health service from complete collapse, yet?

    If not they are a waste of space - not just in this debate, but also as prime ministers.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    Eabhal said:

    Truss is losing it now. Wrong-footed by the support for Johnson.

    Nah. Remember who is voting next up
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