In CH4 hit piece they said they were 25k (in todays money) when he went, which is still a hell of a out of money, but it appears his folks sacrificed a lot to stretch themselves to afford it.
From the Winchester College Website for 22-23 year:
The fee for Boarding pupils will be £45,936 per annum (£15,312 per term). The fee for Day pupils will be £33,990 per annum (£11,330 per term).
Well they don't want peasants getting in do they, other than a few top scholarship boys
Truuster just called Sunak's factual description of mortgage interest rates in the US as "Project Fear". To which Sunak said "only one of us was on the Project Fear bus and that was you."
Just imagined a remake of movie "Cape Fear" only as "Project Fear" and starring Rishi and Liz with special guest star Boris Johnson.
Rishi FPN Sunak leading on trust and offering a fresh start.
It is funny really. He's more continuity Boris than Liz, yet she is offering a more radical fresh start, yet is still the continuity candidate by virtue of claiming to back Boris even as she repudiates the government he led.
You can see why the membership were desperate for Kemi Badenoch.
Kemi has a very rare quality. When she speaks you want to know what she is going to say. It's just possible this is novelty value - mostly she in new to people. But with nearly all politicians you are desperate to not know what they are going to say.
(As, for example, in my WWC northern town I am the only person I know who is aware this debate in on tonight, and there is no chance I would watch it. If Kemi was on I might).
Kemi's quality - when she speaks you listen - is possessed by few in politics. Blair. Thatcher. Clinton. Obama. Ken Clarke. (Premier League) Lower divisions: Farage. T Benn. H Benn. Healey. Trudeau.
When you have these rare folks in the party you should use it. For example why isn't Hilary Benn shadow spokesman for the Today Programme?
Truuster just called Sunak's factual description of mortgage interest rates in the US as "Project Fear". To which Sunak said "only one of us was on the Project Fear bus and that was you."
Just imagined a remake of movie "Cape Fear" only as "Project Fear" and starring Rishi and Liz with special guest star Boris Johnson.
Truss absolutely bang on - this campaign has not been particularly nasty, even by internal party standards - these two (and those already eliminated) just disagree fundamentally on our way forward. Almost all the real arguments have been heavily focused on the issues, not trivia about clothes etc.
It's not been particularly nasty, the pair of them rather overdid the claims about the previous debates so they could pull out of the last one (clearly it was because they were ahead), but that doesn't mean the stuff that is more petty or nasty should be ignored, since people in their camps obviously are behind that stuff. It makes their claims to the contrary look demented.
Not watching, anything on cost of living or crime (especially violent crime)....or is it just nonsense about costs of nice suits and who went to the better school?
The first section was on cost of living. Truss said she'd offer immediate "help", Sunak didn't.
Yes but the help Truss offered was to cancel the rise in corporation tax and suspend the green levy. Not a lot.
What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.
Pretty much every tv debate in the UK turns out to be far more heat than light.
The real way to find out about candidates is proper sit down interviews with informed interviewer that can call BS but a) isn't just a series of gotchas and b) an interupt-athon.
In CH4 hit piece they said they were 25k (in todays money) when he went, which is still a hell of a out of money, but it appears his folks sacrificed a lot to stretch themselves to afford it.
From the Winchester College Website for 22-23 year:
The fee for Boarding pupils will be £45,936 per annum (£15,312 per term). The fee for Day pupils will be £33,990 per annum (£11,330 per term).
Well they don't want peasants getting in do they, other than a few top scholarship boys
God, you're not creepy at all, are you? I mean, you are totally and loyally pro posh schools and Oxford and multi million untaxed inheritances, and that is what you actually think of them?
Rishi FPN Sunak leading on trust and offering a fresh start.
It is funny really. He's more continuity Boris than Liz, yet she is offering a more radical fresh start, yet is still the continuity candidate by virtue of claiming to back Boris even as she repudiates the government he led.
Truss is losing it now. Wrong-footed by the support for Johnson.
Nah. Remember who is voting next up
For all the genuine differences of approach economically and otherwise, it all seems a bit of a waste of time and energy when the big question comes down to: Does the party membership still want Boris, or rather Boris without the bad bits?
Since if the answer is yes then then the most 'Borisian' wins by default, and the arguments around change of approach (or lack thereof) might as well be switched around for all it matters.
Well I'm none the wiser how either of these two are going to fix this country's problems. Both of them are shit.
Sort of like after two and a half years of Starmer then.
I'm not saying that to make a cheap point - our whole political class is like rabbits in headlights on the economy. They've tested the old tax and spend model to destruction, but don't have the courage or electoral support to do what's necessary to slim the state down and make it more efficient. And, in fairness, most other democracies are in the same pickle.
Well Sunak really pissed me off. I am not a fan of either really although I agree 100% with Kinabalu that either would be a vast improvement on Johnson.
But Sunak was just rude and arrogant, continually talking over Truss and interrupting. You cannot even claim it was because she was waffling or taking too long to answer. He was just trying to shut her down - or rather shout her down at ever opportunity.
What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.
Pretty much every tv debate in the UK turns out to be far more heat than light.
The real way to find out about candidates is proper sit down interviews with informed interviewer that can call BS but a) isn't just a series of gotchas and b) an interupt-athon.
Just get Joe Rogan to do it. Give them a whisky and a comfy chair and let’s get to know who they really are over a couple of hours.
Rishi finishing by trying to claim the high ground
Liz says she will give Rishi a job in her team
Easy thing to say...
You just give him a demotion (easy to do given the position he previously held) and if refuses because he doesn't want Culture, Media and Sport, he looks petty. Easy.
Truss wins, marginally. They’re both reasonable candidates, both are better than Starmer. Labour should be worried, but not THAT worried, the urge for a change next time will probably see them home
What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.
Pretty much every tv debate in the UK turns out to be far more heat than light.
The real way to find out about candidates is proper sit down interviews with informed interviewer that can call BS but a) isn't just a series of gotchas and b) an interupt-athon.
Are you secretly Beth Rigby? She posted the same thing at the same time RE this debate.
What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.
You wrote that an hour ago, didn't you?
I knew the candidates were poor an hour ago. I didn't realise the format and moderation would be so crap. More time on earrings than the NHS. That’s not good enough - and you can’t blame Truss or Sunak for that.
I’m a Sunak supporter and remain so. He clearly ‘won’ the argument on economics but his constant interruptions of Truss did not go down well with me at least. Thereafter, overall he was the more convincing across the piece but not overwhelmingly so.
Probably he needed to do better for a game changer (in that sense this debate was a victory for Truss) but he remains more competitive with members than the polls suggest.
Genuinely the environment stuff was an absolute joke. Fucking joke
I would have been interested to hear what they had to say about net zero. Its a real issue when times are very tough economically but we have just had the hottest day ever. Worrying about the number of bins we have for recycling really didn't address the point.
I doubt anyone enjoyed that quite as much as the Labour Party….
You could have pre-written that, but both of those two are leaps ahead of Starmer and this debate was far more serious than the last Labour leader debate.
A good night for Labour with Truss backing Johnson . Start worrying if you have a mortgage and hope that you don’t end up homeless if Truss’s economic plan hits the buffers .
I have to say I think the idea seeing two members of the same party tear chunks of each other and disagree strongly will hurt that party is a bit weird.
I mean, it's a leadership contest, they simply cannot get through such things without disagreement on something, and even respectful disagreement is going to be striking amongst top figures who usually display the personality of a limp potato chip and the passion of someone delivering a 3 hour lecture on wingnut manufacturing standards, in their efforts to present a unified front.
I'd suspect the public don't like it when a party is riven with infighting constantly, but they aren't going to care if two leadership contenders go at it, even if the opposition dig out their quotes for leaflets in 2 years.
Truss is strangely reminiscent of @NickPalmer nemesis Anna Soubry. Just watch her speaking mannerisms and expressions.
Nah. Soubry was patronising with every breath she took. I don't rate Truss but she is a million times better than Soubry.
You’re showing your bias, there. Soubry has a talent for speaking plainly and getting her point across in a hard-hitting way. Although this is a mixed blessing it is nevertheless a talent that Truss doesn’t have.
Piss poor choices from the BBC - and I am normally a real supporter of theirs. But this was pathetic. Where was the discussion about NHS waiting lists/GP issues. Housing not one mention.
I doubt anyone enjoyed that quite as much as the Labour Party….
You could have pre-written that, but both of those two are leaps ahead of Starmer and this debate was far more serious than the last Labour leader debate.
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(As, for example, in my WWC northern town I am the only person I know who is aware this debate in on tonight, and there is no chance I would watch it. If Kemi was on I might).
Kemi's quality - when she speaks you listen - is possessed by few in politics. Blair. Thatcher. Clinton. Obama. Ken Clarke. (Premier League) Lower divisions: Farage. T Benn. H Benn. Healey. Trudeau.
When you have these rare folks in the party you should use it. For example why isn't Hilary Benn shadow spokesman for the Today Programme?
Now KISS!
Liz says she will give Rishi a job in her team
Both MASSIVELY better than the bloke they'll be replacing.
All they needed was a little cuddle at the end.
Actually thats a Truss statement. I haven't...
The real way to find out about candidates is proper sit down interviews with informed interviewer that can call BS but a) isn't just a series of gotchas and b) an interupt-athon.
Since if the answer is yes then then the most 'Borisian' wins by default, and the arguments around change of approach (or lack thereof) might as well be switched around for all it matters.
I'm not saying that to make a cheap point - our whole political class is like rabbits in headlights on the economy. They've tested the old tax and spend model to destruction, but don't have the courage or electoral support to do what's necessary to slim the state down and make it more efficient. And, in fairness, most other democracies are in the same pickle.
Betfair next prime minister
1.55 Liz Truss 65%
2.9 Rishi Sunak 34%
Next Conservative leader
1.54 Liz Truss 65%
2.86 Rishi Sunak 35%
But Sunak was just rude and arrogant, continually talking over Truss and interrupting. You cannot even claim it was because she was waffling or taking too long to answer. He was just trying to shut her down - or rather shout her down at ever opportunity.
Really poor.
Truss 6/10
Rishi needed to knock it out of the park and/or for Truss to seriously stumble.
Didn’t happen.
Truss value @ >1/2. Fair price would be 1/4.
Sunak definitely comes across as much smoother and is quicker on his feet. Thought Truss came back into it in the later segments.
Not sure who I would vote for if I had a vote (I don't)
'Rishi Sunak has tonight proven he is not fit for office
'His aggressive mansplaining and shouty private school behaviour is desperate, unbecoming and is a gift to Labour'
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1551671228808708103
That was all bollocks, liz is it, and I wish I had had more than a tenner on her at 101. But every little helps.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1551674491914407944?t=ZP4udCJjtzk1OnC52Yenbg&s=19
LICIPM.
Truss 4/10
Sunak 3/10
Both a bit rubbish, neither my cup of tea, but Truss looked more prime ministerial.
Probably he needed to do better for a game changer (in that sense this debate was a victory for Truss) but he remains more competitive with members than the polls suggest.
Possible poll leak.
I mean, it's a leadership contest, they simply cannot get through such things without disagreement on something, and even respectful disagreement is going to be striking amongst top figures who usually display the personality of a limp potato chip and the passion of someone delivering a 3 hour lecture on wingnut manufacturing standards, in their efforts to present a unified front.
I'd suspect the public don't like it when a party is riven with infighting constantly, but they aren't going to care if two leadership contenders go at it, even if the opposition dig out their quotes for leaflets in 2 years.
*as PM, not physically
Yes, I was part of this poll as well.