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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,329
    Liz Truss gets a loud round of applause for her line on her delivery record there.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    Foxy said:

    Winchester - £45K annual fees I'm told.

    In CH4 hit piece they said they were 25k (in todays money) when he went, which is still a hell of a out of money, but it appears his folks sacrificed a lot to stretch themselves to afford it.
    From the Winchester College Website for 22-23 year:

    The fee for Boarding pupils will be £45,936 per annum (£15,312 per term).
    The fee for Day pupils will be £33,990 per annum (£11,330 per term).

    Well they don't want peasants getting in do they, other than a few top scholarship boys
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Balrog said:

    Leon said:

    Can I just point out the overt kinkery evidenced by Liz Truss’s dress and necklace?

    She is totally Fetlife; probably domme

    I wonder what the Venn diagram of PBers and fetlife users would be...
    I didn't know what fetlife was till 30 seconds ago
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,149
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Unpopular said:

    Leon said:

    Truss is a switch

    Should I Google that?
    Yes, it is someone switches between being a dom and a sub.
    The necklace suggests sub; the dress suggests domme; therefore I say: switch
    Huh. I interpreted the necklace the other way round...
    Necklace reminds me of this; which is sub



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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    Driver said:

    Jonathan said:

    Good slap down of the BBC for focussing on trivia

    Just quoting the campaigns, a touch hypocritical to complain.
    If the media didn't give the trivia oxygen, the campaigns would learn soon enough that there's no point indulging in it.
    Hmm, I don't really buy that. It's like they are setting light a bunch of matches then whinging when someone responds.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,167
    Big round of applause for straight talking Liz.

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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Winchester - £45K annual fees I'm told.

    I thought Rishi got a scholarship.

    Though having said that, mum and dad being a Community Pharmacist and a Doctor is a classic route to security and wealth.

    My Uni had a lot of pharmacists, and the NHS / Community choice was portrayed as between interesting and rich.
    He was in a house, proper scholarship boys is in College...
    It seems to be only a rumour that Sunak got a scholarship.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,577

    Truuster just called Sunak's factual description of mortgage interest rates in the US as "Project Fear". To which Sunak said "only one of us was on the Project Fear bus and that was you."

    Just imagined a remake of movie "Cape Fear" only as "Project Fear" and starring Rishi and Liz with special guest star Boris Johnson.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Taz said:

    Big round of applause for straight talking Liz.

    interesting
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,058
    Biggest round of applause for Truss on keeping promises.
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    So anything on CoL
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,217

    Pulpstar said:

    Rishi's heartwarming middle class to richer tale

    Can relate.
    You messed up the "marry a billionaire" bit.
    Well I did join the London property market in 2000 which is a close second.
    Whereas when faced with doing a self-cert mortgage to pay £160k for a Yale key that unlocked a docklands 1 bed flat, I did not.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    Jonathan said:

    Rishi FPN Sunak leading on trust and offering a fresh start.

    It is funny really. He's more continuity Boris than Liz, yet she is offering a more radical fresh start, yet is still the continuity candidate by virtue of claiming to back Boris even as she repudiates the government he led.
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,244
    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    Truss is losing it now. Wrong-footed by the support for Johnson.

    Nah. Remember who is voting next up
    Yes she gave the smart answer I thought. Diplomatically swerved that she wouldn’t have him in Cabinet. But without upsetting the members.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,900
    Leon said:


    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Unpopular said:

    Leon said:

    Truss is a switch

    Should I Google that?
    Yes, it is someone switches between being a dom and a sub.
    The necklace suggests sub; the dress suggests domme; therefore I say: switch
    Huh. I interpreted the necklace the other way round...
    Necklace reminds me of this; which is sub



    Ah. I thought it was another object of fun.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    Electorally its managed declline with Sunak or high risk, high gain or massive loss with Truss
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    What a lovely ending
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.
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    Rishi ends with his applause too. Score draw, a bit boring I think.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    What a mess. Two years of this shit show. Two years!
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,534
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Ok wait. Truss struggling

    You can see why the membership were desperate for Kemi Badenoch.
    Kemi has a very rare quality. When she speaks you want to know what she is going to say. It's just possible this is novelty value - mostly she in new to people. But with nearly all politicians you are desperate to not know what they are going to say.

    (As, for example, in my WWC northern town I am the only person I know who is aware this debate in on tonight, and there is no chance I would watch it. If Kemi was on I might).

    Kemi's quality - when she speaks you listen - is possessed by few in politics. Blair. Thatcher. Clinton. Obama. Ken Clarke. (Premier League) Lower divisions: Farage. T Benn. H Benn. Healey. Trudeau.

    When you have these rare folks in the party you should use it. For example why isn't Hilary Benn shadow spokesman for the Today Programme?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,174
    A no score drawer that Truss wins on penalties.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Awwww, guys.

    Now KISS!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611

    Truuster just called Sunak's factual description of mortgage interest rates in the US as "Project Fear". To which Sunak said "only one of us was on the Project Fear bus and that was you."

    Just imagined a remake of movie "Cape Fear" only as "Project Fear" and starring Rishi and Liz with special guest star Boris Johnson.
    Liz would have to play Max Cady.

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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931
    edited July 2022
    What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,274
    Rishi finishing by trying to claim the high ground

    Liz says she will give Rishi a job in her team
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,244
    Truss: if I win I’d love you to be part of my team
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Truss answering these questions, Rishi giving nonsense answers
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    Endillion said:

    Truss absolutely bang on - this campaign has not been particularly nasty, even by internal party standards - these two (and those already eliminated) just disagree fundamentally on our way forward. Almost all the real arguments have been heavily focused on the issues, not trivia about clothes etc.

    It's not been particularly nasty, the pair of them rather overdid the claims about the previous debates so they could pull out of the last one (clearly it was because they were ahead), but that doesn't mean the stuff that is more petty or nasty should be ignored, since people in their camps obviously are behind that stuff. It makes their claims to the contrary look demented.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    So anything on CoL

    Yeah, the first ten minutes.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Come on, be fair to the guy.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    I was tempted to say Truss did best in that debate in the Opinium poll.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,217

    Raworth should be shutting down Sunak more - he keeps going on - not sure it’s doing him any favours…..

    The producer in her ear saying "this is fucking great, don't shut him up"
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,374
    Driver said:

    Not watching, anything on cost of living or crime (especially violent crime)....or is it just nonsense about costs of nice suits and who went to the better school?

    The first section was on cost of living. Truss said she'd offer immediate "help", Sunak didn't.
    Yes but the help Truss offered was to cancel the rise in corporation tax and suspend the green levy. Not a lot.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    He reminds me of Ed Miliband
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    My main take on the debate?

    Both MASSIVELY better than the bloke they'll be replacing.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,167
    edited July 2022

    What a lovely ending

    But not a happy ending !

    All they needed was a little cuddle at the end.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,217
    IshmaelZ said:

    Balrog said:

    Leon said:

    Can I just point out the overt kinkery evidenced by Liz Truss’s dress and necklace?

    She is totally Fetlife; probably domme

    I wonder what the Venn diagram of PBers and fetlife users would be...
    I didn't know what fetlife was till 30 seconds ago
    I have forgotten my fetlife user ID.

    Actually thats a Truss statement. I haven't...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited July 2022

    What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.

    Pretty much every tv debate in the UK turns out to be far more heat than light.

    The real way to find out about candidates is proper sit down interviews with informed interviewer that can call BS but a) isn't just a series of gotchas and b) an interupt-athon.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Winchester - £45K annual fees I'm told.

    In CH4 hit piece they said they were 25k (in todays money) when he went, which is still a hell of a out of money, but it appears his folks sacrificed a lot to stretch themselves to afford it.
    From the Winchester College Website for 22-23 year:

    The fee for Boarding pupils will be £45,936 per annum (£15,312 per term).
    The fee for Day pupils will be £33,990 per annum (£11,330 per term).

    Well they don't want peasants getting in do they, other than a few top scholarship boys
    God, you're not creepy at all, are you? I mean, you are totally and loyally pro posh schools and Oxford and multi million untaxed inheritances, and that is what you actually think of them?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Rishi FPN Sunak leading on trust and offering a fresh start.

    It is funny really. He's more continuity Boris than Liz, yet she is offering a more radical fresh start, yet is still the continuity candidate by virtue of claiming to back Boris even as she repudiates the government he led.
    She’s the Thatcherite who repudiated Thatcher!

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,667

    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Come on, be fair to the guy.
    No need - Blair's got thick skin.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,329
    Jonathan said:

    What a mess. Two years of this shit show. Two years!

    It's not on every Monday mate.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,710
    Pulpstar said:

    Truss answering these questions, Rishi giving nonsense answers

    How will she help ordinary people with CoL and how will she rescue the health service? Actually curious about her answers.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    IanB2 said:

    Rishi finishing by trying to claim the high ground

    Liz says she will give Rishi a job in her team

    Easy thing to say...
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611
    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Truss is strangely reminiscent of @NickPalmer nemesis Anna Soubry. Just watch her speaking mannerisms and expressions.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609

    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Come on, be fair to the guy.
    Which one?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,274
    BBC News leading with the shouty bit on the economy
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,217

    What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.

    But that wasn't why it was staged. The BBC wanted to see the contenders kick the shit out of each other. Which they did.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    Truss is losing it now. Wrong-footed by the support for Johnson.

    Nah. Remember who is voting next up
    For all the genuine differences of approach economically and otherwise, it all seems a bit of a waste of time and energy when the big question comes down to: Does the party membership still want Boris, or rather Boris without the bad bits?

    Since if the answer is yes then then the most 'Borisian' wins by default, and the arguments around change of approach (or lack thereof) might as well be switched around for all it matters.
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    edited July 2022
    OldBasing said:

    Well I'm none the wiser how either of these two are going to fix this country's problems. Both of them are shit.

    Sort of like after two and a half years of Starmer then.

    I'm not saying that to make a cheap point - our whole political class is like rabbits in headlights on the economy. They've tested the old tax and spend model to destruction, but don't have the courage or electoral support to do what's necessary to slim the state down and make it more efficient. And, in fairness, most other democracies are in the same pickle.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,329

    What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.

    You wrote that an hour ago, didn't you?
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,374

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.53 Liz Truss 65%
    2.98 Rishi Sunak 34%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.51 Liz Truss 66%
    2.94 Rishi Sunak 34%

    A slight move to Rishi just before the off:-

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.56 Liz Truss 64%
    2.8 Rishi Sunak 36%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.55 Liz Truss 65%
    2.8 Rishi Sunak 36%
    No real change after an hour of debate.

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.55 Liz Truss 65%
    2.9 Rishi Sunak 34%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.54 Liz Truss 65%
    2.86 Rishi Sunak 35%
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    edited July 2022
    Sunak 8/10
    Truss 6/10

    Rishi needed to knock it out of the park and/or for Truss to seriously stumble.

    Didn’t happen.

    Truss value @ >1/2. Fair price would be 1/4.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Truss is strangely reminiscent of @NickPalmer nemesis Anna Soubry. Just watch her speaking mannerisms and expressions.
    Hopefully less inclined to form short lived joke centrist parties that enjoy Nandos though
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,244
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    What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.

    Pretty much every tv debate in the UK turns out to be far more heat than light.

    The real way to find out about candidates is proper sit down interviews with informed interviewer that can call BS but a) isn't just a series of gotchas and b) an interupt-athon.
    Just get Joe Rogan to do it. Give them a whisky and a comfy chair and let’s get to know who they really are over a couple of hours.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Rishi finishing by trying to claim the high ground

    Liz says she will give Rishi a job in her team

    Easy thing to say...
    You just give him a demotion (easy to do given the position he previously held) and if refuses because he doesn't want Culture, Media and Sport, he looks petty. Easy.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934

    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Come on, be fair to the guy.
    No need - Blair's got thick skin.
    Reverse zing!
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    Score draw which is enough for Truss I think.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    kinabalu said:

    My main take on the debate?

    Both MASSIVELY better than the bloke they'll be replacing.

    Low bar….

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    Interesting debate (didn't see the previous two)

    Sunak definitely comes across as much smoother and is quicker on his feet. Thought Truss came back into it in the later segments.

    Not sure who I would vote for if I had a vote (I don't)
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,942
    A spokesman for Liz Truss claims that Rishi Sunak is not fit for office:

    'Rishi Sunak has tonight proven he is not fit for office

    'His aggressive mansplaining and shouty private school behaviour is desperate, unbecoming and is a gift to Labour'


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1551671228808708103
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,217
    Pulpstar said:

    Truss answering these questions, Rishi giving nonsense answers

    But she is answering with her own nonsense answers. Fundamentally it is insane - and massively unconservative - to borrow to pay for tax cuts.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,149
    Truss wins, marginally. They’re both reasonable candidates, both are better than Starmer. Labour should be worried, but not THAT worried, the urge for a change next time will probably see them home
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586

    Lord, Truss is awful.....

    You ain’t seen nothing, yet.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,942
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Truss is strangely reminiscent of @NickPalmer nemesis Anna Soubry. Just watch her speaking mannerisms and expressions.
    Nah. Soubry was patronising with every breath she took. I don't rate Truss but she is a million times better than Soubry.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    I was tempted to say Truss did best in that debate in the Opinium poll.

    Mr random sample votes again

    That was all bollocks, liz is it, and I wish I had had more than a tenner on her at 101. But every little helps.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    I thought Truss did ok, for her audience, in the last debate, yet polls showed I was wrong (not that it hurt her), so I cannot even predict.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611

    Jonathan said:

    What a mess. Two years of this shit show. Two years!

    It's not on every Monday mate.
    Thanks to a merciful God!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,058
    BBC News edits quite favourable to Truss.
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    RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788

    What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.

    Pretty much every tv debate in the UK turns out to be far more heat than light.

    The real way to find out about candidates is proper sit down interviews with informed interviewer that can call BS but a) isn't just a series of gotchas and b) an interupt-athon.
    Are you secretly Beth Rigby? She posted the same thing at the same time RE this debate.

    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1551674491914407944?t=ZP4udCJjtzk1OnC52Yenbg&s=19
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,453
    The fact Rishi could only really take a score draw against The Worlds Worst Debater tells you everything you need to know.

    LICIPM.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    My take on Tonight’s performance

    Truss 4/10
    Sunak 3/10

    Both a bit rubbish, neither my cup of tea, but Truss looked more prime ministerial.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,274
    kinabalu said:

    My main take on the debate?

    Both MASSIVELY better than the bloke they'll be replacing.

    Rather slow there on the uptake
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Balrog said:

    Leon said:

    Can I just point out the overt kinkery evidenced by Liz Truss’s dress and necklace?

    She is totally Fetlife; probably domme

    I wonder what the Venn diagram of PBers and fetlife users would be...
    I didn't know what fetlife was till 30 seconds ago
    I have forgotten my fetlife user ID.

    Actually thats a Truss statement. I haven't...
    PM ed you, big boi!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Truss is strangely reminiscent of @NickPalmer nemesis Anna Soubry. Just watch her speaking mannerisms and expressions.
    Nah. Soubry was patronising with every breath she took. I don't rate Truss but she is a million times better than Soubry.
    It's the mannerisms and facial expressions that do it.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    The fact Rishi could only really take a score draw against The Worlds Worst Debater tells you everything you need to know.

    LICIPM.

    Troo dat. Never laid a glove on her.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931

    What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.

    You wrote that an hour ago, didn't you?
    I knew the candidates were poor an hour ago. I didn't realise the format and moderation would be so crap. More time on earrings than the NHS. That’s not good enough - and you can’t blame Truss or Sunak for that.

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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,217
    Scott_xP said:

    A spokesman for Liz Truss claims that Rishi Sunak is not fit for office:

    'Rishi Sunak has tonight proven he is not fit for office

    'His aggressive mansplaining and shouty private school behaviour is desperate, unbecoming and is a gift to Labour'


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1551671228808708103

    "Mansplaining?" But as @leon has exposed, the Trusster has a whip.
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    I’m a Sunak supporter and remain so. He clearly ‘won’ the argument on economics but his constant interruptions of Truss did not go down well with me at least. Thereafter, overall he was the more convincing across the piece but not overwhelmingly so.

    Probably he needed to do better for a game changer (in that sense this debate was a victory for Truss) but he remains more competitive with members than the polls suggest.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,979

    Pulpstar said:

    Truss answering these questions, Rishi giving nonsense answers

    But she is answering with her own nonsense answers. Fundamentally it is insane - and massively unconservative - to borrow to pay for tax cuts.
    It is, however, exactly what the Republican Party has done in the States for decades..
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611
    Scott_xP said:

    A spokesman for Liz Truss claims that Rishi Sunak is not fit for office:

    'Rishi Sunak has tonight proven he is not fit for office

    'His aggressive mansplaining and shouty private school behaviour is desperate, unbecoming and is a gift to Labour'


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1551671228808708103

    I agree.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    edited July 2022
    Truss in to 1.5.

    Possible poll leak.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280

    Genuinely the environment stuff was an absolute joke. Fucking joke

    I would have been interested to hear what they had to say about net zero. Its a real issue when times are very tough economically but we have just had the hottest day ever. Worrying about the number of bins we have for recycling really didn't address the point.
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    I doubt anyone enjoyed that quite as much as the Labour Party….

    You could have pre-written that, but both of those two are leaps ahead of Starmer and this debate was far more serious than the last Labour leader debate.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,803
    edited July 2022
    A good night for Labour with Truss backing Johnson . Start worrying if you have a mortgage and hope that you don’t end up homeless if Truss’s economic plan hits the buffers .
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611
    edited July 2022
    Duplicate
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    I have to say I think the idea seeing two members of the same party tear chunks of each other and disagree strongly will hurt that party is a bit weird.

    I mean, it's a leadership contest, they simply cannot get through such things without disagreement on something, and even respectful disagreement is going to be striking amongst top figures who usually display the personality of a limp potato chip and the passion of someone delivering a 3 hour lecture on wingnut manufacturing standards, in their efforts to present a unified front.

    I'd suspect the public don't like it when a party is riven with infighting constantly, but they aren't going to care if two leadership contenders go at it, even if the opposition dig out their quotes for leaflets in 2 years.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,274

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Truss is strangely reminiscent of @NickPalmer nemesis Anna Soubry. Just watch her speaking mannerisms and expressions.
    Nah. Soubry was patronising with every breath she took. I don't rate Truss but she is a million times better than Soubry.
    You’re showing your bias, there. Soubry has a talent for speaking plainly and getting her point across in a hard-hitting way. Although this is a mixed blessing it is nevertheless a talent that Truss doesn’t have.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    What a waste of time. Poor candidates, terrible format, awful moderation. Can’t imagine a single mind was changed.

    Nah. The more I see of Truss, the less scared I am of her*.

    *as PM, not physically
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    MikeL said:

    Truss 1.5.

    Possible poll leak.

    There's a YouGov poll of Tory members in the field.

    Yes, I was part of this poll as well.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611
    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Truss answering these questions, Rishi giving nonsense answers

    But she is answering with her own nonsense answers. Fundamentally it is insane - and massively unconservative - to borrow to pay for tax cuts.
    It is, however, exactly what the Republican Party has done in the States for decades..
    Debt and deficit only matters under the Dems/Labour.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rishi Sunak reminds me of Tony Blair quite a lot.

    Truss is strangely reminiscent of @NickPalmer nemesis Anna Soubry. Just watch her speaking mannerisms and expressions.
    Hopefully less inclined to form short lived joke centrist parties that enjoy Nandos though
    Centrists who enjoy Nandos is my exact demographic, now I'll never have a party just for me.
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    mwjfrome17mwjfrome17 Posts: 158
    Piss poor choices from the BBC - and I am normally a real supporter of theirs. But this was pathetic. Where was the discussion about NHS waiting lists/GP issues. Housing not one mention.
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    I doubt anyone enjoyed that quite as much as the Labour Party….

    You could have pre-written that, but both of those two are leaps ahead of Starmer and this debate was far more serious than the last Labour leader debate.
    ROFL leaps ahead? Really?
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    BBC vox pop accuses Rishi of mansplaining
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    Some comments are describing Sunak as "gentlemanly", others "arrogant". Interesting.
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