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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,316
    Andy_JS said:

    "@christopherhope
    ** EXCLUSIVE **
    Boris Johnson has said he does not want to resign and will stay on if the membership backs him
    The PM told former treasurer @peteratcmc over lunch at Chequers on Friday he wishes he could "wipe away" his resignation."

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1551628844137820162

    That's more appropriate than Truss becoming PM, tearing down the Lulu Lytle and replacing it with deleted stock from B and Q, only for Johnson to return.
    In that event will we have to restore the wallpaper to Carrie's standards?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,540
    Dan O'Donoghue
    @MrDanDonoghue
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    52m
    Newspaper titles across the North unite tonight to warn Rishi Sunak/Liz Truss not to turn their back on our region once in Number 10. A lot was promised in 2019 and we want to see delivery #TheNorthRemembers

    https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue/status/1551643465506766851
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,367
    kle4 said:

    The little I read of either space programme, but particularly the Soviet one, the more I'm amazed anyone made it up there and back in their death traps.
    Very true.

    But not just in Russia: Brazil had a really nasty one in 2003, killing 19 people. This is one thing I fear with SpaceX's SH/SS development: failing frequently is fine until it is not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLS-1_V03
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,367
    Jonathan said:

    Is it true that Ukraine has agreed to host the next Tory leadership debate?

    Come on, be fair. Ukraine is used to being under fire from evil invaders. They're not prepared for the fallout from a Conservative leadership contest...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546

    Come on, be fair. Ukraine is used to being under fire from evil invaders. They're not prepared for the fallout from a Conservative leadership contest...
    I was thinking more, haven't they suffered enough?

    Although Truss might end up in Rostov-on-Don by mistake...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,215

    Very true.

    But not just in Russia: Brazil had a really nasty one in 2003, killing 19 people. This is one thing I fear with SpaceX's SH/SS development: failing frequently is fine until it is not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLS-1_V03
    The trick is not having people close to where you are playing with propellants.

    That and flight termination systems make rocketry safe. A kiloton or 2 on the horizon is just a loud bang.

    The Brazilian thing was stupid negligence of the most basic sort.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,540

    That's more appropriate than Truss becoming PM, tearing down the Lulu Lytle and replacing it with deleted stock from B and Q, only for Johnson to return.
    In that event will we have to restore the wallpaper to Carrie's standards?
    Restoration:

    Carrie [on return to No 10 flat after a Truss premiership]: Christ

    Johnson: Now what?

    Carrie: The fridge is stuffed full of beetroot flans.

    Johnson: Barbarians.

    Carrie: I know. Bloody lower middle classes and their sodding vegetables.

    Johnson: It's not that. I'm more worried that I can't hide in there if it is full of flan.



  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,192

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.53 Liz Truss 65%
    2.98 Rishi Sunak 34%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.51 Liz Truss 66%
    2.94 Rishi Sunak 34%

    A slight move to Rishi just before the off:-

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.56 Liz Truss 64%
    2.8 Rishi Sunak 36%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.55 Liz Truss 65%
    2.8 Rishi Sunak 36%
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    edited July 2022

    I recall him talking about the probable outcome at the time - he was seen by many in the Unionist community as having given too much. Just like Hume in his community.

    I’m one interview he openly suggested that the anti-agreement (and semi-anti agreement) hypocrites would reap the benefits.

    He remained leader until the voters threw him out of Westminster, and at that stage he was in total agreement with Paisley, having shut down the Assembly for three years because he wanted Sinn Fein retroactively excluded from the institutions. (The pretext was a supposed IRA plot. Nobody was charged, and most likely it was a spurious fix-up by reactionary elements of the police.) The peace agreement was an achievement worthy of the Nobel Prize but let's not do hagiography about purported selflessness. Hume's problem was not having given too much - NI Catholics not seeing themselves as having anything to give, as such - but that the SDLP had nothing left on the agenda and was rather aloof from ethnic politics.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650
    edited July 2022
    That's interesting.

    I seem to have had an invitation to attend Tory leadership hustings to my fictional name account subscribed to one of the Conservative Party feeds. No idea which feed, though - I'm just subscribed to one for each party.

    Does this mean they are open to members of the public?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Its terrifying already and its only the opening shot
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Has Sunak had his smile painted on?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,316
    Sophie Raworth is very alluring.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Oh lordie. Come on Rishi, save us.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,155
    Comment from GF: "Oh God, she's a Leo"
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Surely the Beeb have chosen the wrong audience. These are first time Tory voters in Stoke. As HY has repeatedly told us, these people aren't Tories and can be ignored.

    Shouldn't the audience be well off pensioners from the south?
  • Get on with it! We want to hear from the candidates
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    Good start by Rishi paying tribute to Lord Trimble
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,671
    Ersatz Blair v. Ersatz Thatcher.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Sophie Raworth is very alluring.

    True fact. I once sniffed Sophie Rayworths milk.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Sunak thinks he has done enough for the peons already.

    He hasn't.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Please sir/madam/yo! (as personal pronoun preference dictates) what is scheduled time & form for tonight's debate? And how long is it? Thanks!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,577
    DavidL said:

    Oh lordie. Come on Rishi, save us.

    Does he really have that in him? He has about 1 week to show us!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    We want Soph
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641

    Surely the Beeb have chosen the wrong audience. These are first time Tory voters in Stoke. As HY has repeatedly told us, these people aren't Tories and can be ignored.

    Shouldn't the audience be well off pensioners from the south?

    No one will be Tories soon!
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    Rishi does speak well in this format
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,316
    Jonathan said:

    True fact. I once sniffed Sophie Rayworths milk.
    ?????
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,772
    I don't think they are all first time Con voters.

    They are all Con voters.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,367

    The trick is not having people close to where you are playing with propellants.

    That and flight termination systems make rocketry safe. A kiloton or 2 on the horizon is just a loud bang.

    The Brazilian thing was stupid negligence of the most basic sort.
    Also see the event where Virgin Galactic's friends killed three engineers in an explosion.

    Or the event this year where another 'emergent' rocket company had an event with people nearby, fortunately without casualties. Can't find a link immediately, but they got *lots* of criticism...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    @timothy_stanley
    ·
    1m
    What's going on? It opened with two serial killers, then a lot of rules and now the audience.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    kle4 said:

    Does he really have that in him? He has about 1 week to show us!
    Odds against. But we can hope.
  • BournvilleBournville Posts: 309
    It's a choice between the Tory Ed Miliband and IDS in a skirt.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,552
    Jonathan said:

    True fact. I once sniffed Sophie Rayworths milk.
    Interesting if breast milk.

    If a little pervy....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,192

    Get on with it! We want to hear from the candidates

    Yes, we don't need to hear the audience's problems. We know them; we often share them.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    MikeL said:

    I don't think they are all first time Con voters.

    They are all Con voters.

    How many are members though? The voters don't count remember.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    What was with those weird opening shots of the candidates playing “statues” in front of the camera.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    FFS what has Trusster done to her voice. I can totally hear Thatcher tonality in her. But it sounds totally forced and frankly likely to make her vom later.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    And the punches have started
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,316
    One nil to Truss after five minutes. Utter bollocks, but read meat bollocks.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    edited July 2022
    Neither candidate allowing the host to interrupt. Truss allowing Sunak or interrupt, though.

    Sunak really does sound like Blair, in his cadences at least. And the hand movements too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546

    Get on with it! We want to hear from the candidates

    Why? One's not very good and the other's utterly fecking awful.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    Liz getting irritated lol
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,176
    God this is dross
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Just let them rant at each other about how they are LIARS for an hour. Job done.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,049
    First attack from Rishi on Liz, accuses her of having plans that would lead to massive borrowing and debt.

    Liz in turn attacks Rishi's plans saying they will lead to contraction and recession
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,671

    Sophie Raworth is very alluring.

    She looks OK :)
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    Yes, we don't need to hear the audience's problems. We know them; we often share them.
    Yes, but Rishi doesn't.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Outright lie by Sunak.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849

    Liz getting irritated lol

    Excuse me, I am trying to talk bollocks here, stop telling me that I am talking bollocks, it is stopping me from talking bollocks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546
    HYUFD said:

    First attack from Rishi on Liz, accuses her of having plans that would lead to massive borrowing and debt.

    Liz in turn attacks Rishi's plans saying they will lead to contraction and recession

    So whichever one wins, Keir Starmer has his attack lines sorted.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Looks like LAB going 15% clear tomorrow! What a pile of shyte! 👿
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    Bloody Sunak with his bullshit “nation’s credit card” routine. He says it often enough and with enough conviction that I think he believes it himself
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Driver said:

    Outright lie by Sunak.

    Which bit.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    On a bus.
    Enjoying the debate more through your comments than I would watching it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited July 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Why? One's not very good and the other's utterly fecking awful.
    I'd rather look at videos of crashing rockets. They look more exciting.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546
    Driver said:

    Outright lie by Sunak.

    Did he say Truss was competent?
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    No love lost here, can't see the loser in the winner's cabinet afterwards.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    This is Brilliant! Absolutely savaging each other after only few minutes and there is a month and a half of this to come!

    Bravo Tories.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    This is good stuff. They hate each other.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,850
    Truss is in a different class to the Blair impersonator Sunak.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560

    Which bit.
    When he said that Minford said interest rates would have to go up to 7%.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    My dad just made the point that 7% interest rates might not be so scary for the people of smoke on Trent.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,176
    What’s happened to Liz’s head?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    Seeing that this debate is feisty, the Tory party is going to be absolutely divided after this. Probably worse under Truss
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849

    Looks like LAB going 15% clear tomorrow! What a pile of shyte! 👿

    This is fucking brilliant. Regardless of where our individual politics are we all have to recognise car crash TV when we see it.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Good grief, we’re screwed. They hate each other.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Driver said:

    When he said that Minford said interest rates would have to go up to 7%.
    Ha, yeah.
    I think I’m a minute behind in New York.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546
    edited July 2022
    Carnyx said:

    I'd rather look at videos of crashing rockets. They look more exciting.
    I'm actually watching the live feed from the hall. But not of the debate. Of an organ concert recorded about five years ago.

    It's very good. Apart from the fact the organist confirms every stereotype about Dutch humour in his intro.

    https://youtu.be/0HowudzPGfc
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,316
    Rishi is very rude, breaking into Truss's presentation. Get a grip Sophie.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    tlg86 said:

    My dad just made the point that 7% interest rates might not be so scary for the people of smoke on Trent.

    Some of us with savings would find them personally welcome at a time of 9% inflation.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,552
    "I don't accept those points" Not great from Liz.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    tlg86 said:

    My dad just made the point that 7% interest rates might not be so scary for the people of smoke on Trent.

    Are they all old with no mortgages and huge savings by any chance?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    edited July 2022
    Taxes are completely different from interest rates. Really?????? No connection?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,217
    edited July 2022
    Think Sunak is interrupting so much to try and show himself as "Stronger" than Truss
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    edited July 2022
    10 mins in I am with Bart. From this two, it has to be Truss. Sunak would be a total cluster going into a world recession. Totally captured by the Treasury
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    Rishi batting hard on Truss’s crazy economic plans
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    they have brought in Faisal Islam and Chris Mason, who had to put their vat of popcorn down to ask a question
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    ydoethur said:

    I'm actually watching the live feed from the hall. But not of the debate. Of an organ concert recorded about five years ago.

    It's very good. Apart from the fact the organist confirms every stereotype about Dutch humour in his intro.

    https://youtu.be/0HowudzPGfc
    What's the lady in the russet dress doing?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I'm on holiday in Snowdonia where phone reception is crap and am just about following PB comments
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 739
    CatMan said:

    Think Sunak is interrupting so much to try and show himself as "Stronger" than Truss

    I think it’s backfiring. Trying too hard.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    tlg86 said:

    My dad just made the point that 7% interest rates might not be so scary for the people of smoke on Trent.

    So what? They aren't really talking to the audience, because hardly any of them have votes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Ersatz Blair v. Ersatz Thatcher.

    Except the Thatch wants us to live on tick!
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    Yeah, the Tory party is just hopelessly divided
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    edited July 2022
    Truuster just called Sunak's factual description of mortgage interest rates in the US as "Project Fear". To which Sunak said "only one of us was on the Project Fear bus and that was you."
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546
    Carnyx said:

    What's the lady in the russet dress doing?
    Turning the pages and pressing the combination pistons which change multiple stops at once.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    On topic I can now sympathise with the senile racist old sods in the Tory party wanting Boris Johnson back.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,176
    “Project Fear” kill me
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    edited July 2022
    This is genuinely nasty. In an other universe, Ben Wallace is gently edging out Mourdaunt in a good humoured contest.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Damn, my connection is buffering.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    Gaffe by Truss, throwing ‘project fear’ at Sunak!
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Truss seems to have a deliberate plan to allow Sunak to interrupt as much as he likes and she's barely interrupting back.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597

    Seeing that this debate is feisty, the Tory party is going to be absolutely divided after this. Probably worse under Truss

    This is why they took so long to get rid of Boris, apre moi le deluge!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,108
    Hard to see how the loser can work in a top job for the winner, after this!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Rishi overdoing it on the aggression big time. Must stop that.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Sunak now throwing Trussters own words back at her. "You were right then (saying that her plans now are mental) and you are right now"
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,676
    Sunak better-prepared but domineering - I wonder if he's overdoing it
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    Also, Truss is hugely unlikeable.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Faisal Islam now telling Truss that her borrow to cut taxes plan is incoherent bullshit.
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