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  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653

    FPT
    .

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Stocky said:

    Anyone here any good with cameras - video specifically? I'm talking frame rates and other stuff that is beyond me.

    Roger, obviously.

    But what is your question?

    UK video runs at 25fps. US runs at 30, or 29.97
    @Roger

    I've got a GoPro (most recent version) and Pano DC-TZ200. They both have bewildering options regarding sattings.

    E.g. Pano:

    If MP4:

    4k 100M 30p
    4K 100M 25p
    4k 100M 24p
    FHD 28M 60p
    FHD 28M 50p
    FHD 20M 30p
    FHD 20M 25p
    HD 10M 30p
    HD 10M 25p

    That's for MP4. If I select AVCHD Instead of MP4 there are yet more options.

    How is a normal person expected to understand this?

    I want top quality film to play on my TV. TV is 4K. I've discovered that when I record video on the Pano in 4k it crops the video which is annoying. The TV is only 40 inch so I'm inclined towards the FHD with no crop I think.

    I'm filming everyday stuff inc holidays and Go Pro for skiing. Any advice on the best settings to use would be much appreciated.
    What are the down sides of going for the highest resolution/frame rate? It may be battery life, or it may be the cost of bigger memory cards. Try some experiments....

    The other thing to think about is processing the footage you shoot afterwards. Try it and see what your PC thinks about manipulating the various resolutions.
    The PC does not play my 4k footage back smoothly. But when I watch on the TV it is fine. I only use the PC to preview and edit. I'm pleased with the GoPro 4k video but the file size and drain on battery is significant. The 4k crop on the Pano camera is a problem for me.

    These days, footage comes from Pano camera, wife and daughters' iphones, my Go Pro - and I collect clips and stitch together using Videopad software into one continuous film to watch on our TV.
    No idea but... does your pc have enough memory and a graphics card? If you do have a graphics card, have you plugged your monitor into the right hole?
    TBH I don't know. The playback on my pc is perfectly fine for previewing and editing - I never watch my footage on my PC - always the TV.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,399
    MPs setting a fine example on adaptation to the hot weather - all trussed up in jacket and tie, and not a bottle of water in sight.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,087
    moonshine said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Tom Tugendhat has said he will not withdraw from the Tory leadership race, despite trailing behind rivals ahead of tonight's vote by MPs.

    He told fellow Conservative MPs "some colleagues have suggested that I should step aside, that I should fall in behind someone else, that I've run a good campaign and can leave with my head held high".

    "Some have suggested I could leave with a job as well," he said, but insisted "it is not for me to make that decision - it is for you".

    "Were I to withdraw now then somebody else would be eliminated tonight without the opportunity to make their case further.”

    He also condemned what he saw as the contest's "infighting, the sniping, the blue on blue, the attacks and the smears". "We do not need this, now or ever."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62191267

    Interesting that his goal is basically to keep his friend Kemi in for another day, in the hope that something turns up for her. Which it still might.
    Quite enjoying that in NATO exercises Blue on Blue is Russian on Russian.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Stocky said:

    Mordaunt over sold.

    Truss over-hyped as a final two candidate. Enough MPs have seen the shit show of her debate and now running away from another. "Naaaah......."

    And Sunak might lend enough votes to Penny as he thinks he can beat her, but it is not the disaster of PM Truss if he is proved wrong.

    Not sure Sunak has the luxury of being able to lend votes - could end up with Truss vs Mordaunt.
    Yes, too risky surely unless you have a bigger lead than he has.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,146
    edited July 2022
    stodge said:

    I'm going to be controversial.

    First, I've invented a new word "heatbernate" - meaning to seek rest and shelter from periods of extreme hear.

    Second, my prediction for tonight is Sunak first, Badenoch second, Mordaunt third and Truss fourth.

    Already done. To aestivate/aestivation is a thing in zoology. Though that is perhaps for longer periods than one middle of the day, for which as suggested siesta works better.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,136

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    I do. She's audacious and politically astute. Not long ago was supposed to be the liberal one, now she's somehow the candidate of the ERG. She'll reinvent herself again once she gets into Number 10.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,396
    NigelB - FWIW, a local supermarket here in the Seattle area (QFC) has been raising leafy plants inside a nearby store under artificial lights for months now. As I recall from the last time I looked, basil is the most popular. (Electricity is cheaper in this area than most places.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,083

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    I do. She's audacious and politically astute. Not long ago was supposed to be the liberal one, now she's somehow the candidate of the ERG. She'll reinvent herself again once she gets into Number 10.
    Other words for that are available...
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 405

    AlistairM said:

    Curse of the new thread...

    Here on the Bucks/Oxon borders I think it must be around 36c but there is a bit of a breeze. I have certainly been in hotter places before but it is certainly very toasty for this country.

    I am remarkably impressed by how well our new build (4 years old) house has coped. I closed everything at just after 9am today. Downstairs is about 23c and upstairs about 25c. When you step in from outside it feels air conditioned. All that insulation designed to keep the house warm is paying off now too. Our house is rendered white which I think must help too.

    Insulation insulates. Who knew?
    To be honest, the insulation quality of your 4 year old house doesn't sound that different from our 350-year old in much the same part of the Thames Valley. The only relevant changes a few dozen occupants have made over the centuries to the feet-thick limestone have been a lot more opportunities for air to blow through and lots of double-glazing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    It’s tedious waiting until 8pm for the result today. Get on with it!

    As for fertiliser and CO2, can Robert enlighten us on what Californian startup is going to become the Apple/Tesla/Google of food? Surely there’s mahoosive scope for highly energy and resource efficient vertical farming, closed loop even. Plenty experimenting with it, who’s going to be the trillion dollar company because of it? Because someone will.

    It's an excellent question.

    I've seen some very interesting companies in the sector - one of which produces LEDs tuned to photosynthesis. That is, they only output light in the wavelengths that plants can use for growing.
    These guys in Finland are interesting.
    https://solarfoods.com
    That is interesting.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Farooq said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    What on earth are you on about? They call her a hand grenade because she gets things done. Someone like that isn't going to blow the union up.
    Goodness knows! I just wangled a room upgrade to one of the snazziest holiday apartments I’ve ever seen, and the celebration drinks started a couple of hours ago. So ignore at will! 😄
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Incidentally, it seems to me that when the next round of results are announced, the odds might shift against Sunak because he's going to look as though he's lost momentum. In fact, of course, it will simply be the fact that it is Braverman votes being redistributed. His turn for a boost will be when the Tugendhat votes get redistributed, and probably again when Badenoch drops out.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,399

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    "Vote Penny, Get Beaver!"
  • On a list of "worst MPs" from a party you've voted for, I'd have to put Michael Fabricant consistently at or near the top of the list.

    Its still hard to believe he's actually genuine and not a Harry Enfield character.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,163
    Christ the sooner this country gets rid of this turd in Downing Street the better.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,572

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,146

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/18/187m-pounds-of-windsor-family-wealth-hidden-in-secret-royal-wills

    Has @TSE seen this, I wonder?

    Not just the sovereign, but a surprisingly wide range of assorted relatives.

    Thats pretty thin gruel...£187m over 100 odd years? so what?
    That's the ones they know about, and in any case, if I or my executors tried that, HMRC would treat my incorporeal personalty very differently from the ones touched with royalty.

    We're not supposed to be living in the ****ing Middle Ages or Ancien Regime.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,920

    Labour leads by 10%.

    Westminster Voting Intention (17 July):

    Labour 42% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 12% (–)
    Green 5% (–)
    Scottish National Party 4% (–)
    Reform UK 3% (-2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 July

    https://t.co/gk5SesdhCE https://t.co/FCsmqkjt44

    Boredom reigns

    No Tory poll leads for seven months and 12 days...
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,232

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    I do. She's audacious and politically astute. Not long ago was supposed to be the liberal one, now she's somehow the candidate of the ERG. She'll reinvent herself again once she gets into Number 10.
    They said that about Boris. Things soon fell apart when he was forced to botch everything in a desperate attempt to keep all his disparate backers on board. Part of the Boris tragedy really.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    edited July 2022
    Say you (plus three family members) have a 8 hour flight in economy and you have the option to bid to upgrade to business class. What would you pay one way? I reckon £150 pp tops.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,280
    Good evening. What temperature did London / Heathrow peak at today?
  • KeystoneKeystone Posts: 127

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    She seems serious, passionate and capable. I think you should back her to the hilt.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    NigelB - FWIW, a local supermarket here in the Seattle area (QFC) has been raising leafy plants inside a nearby store under artificial lights for months now. As I recall from the last time I looked, basil is the most popular. (Electricity is cheaper in this area than most places.)

    Thanks; I vaguely recall reading something about that, or something along the same lines.
    For niche cases - relatively high value goods like herbs, which perish rapidly and are expensive to ship - it's already interesting to some markets.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    "Vote Penny, Get Beaver!"
    Ooh you are awful... but I like you!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242
    Got my ballot for WA State August 2, 2022 primary in the mail late last week.

    Note that under our Top Two system, the two top vote getters in the primary, regardless of party preference (or lack thereof) advance to the general election.

    Not much to vote on this summer, but some significant contested federal and state races:

    > US Senator - 18 candidates filed, took me a while to hunt for and find MY choice, incumbent Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, who I first voted for in the 1992 primary. The other 17 this year are mostly no-hope ballot-fillers (or -stuffers) including 5 others running under Democratic Party label, 4 "Independent Party", 3 Republican Party, 2 "No Party Preference", 1 Socialist Worker Party, 1 "Trump Republican" and . . . wait for it . . . 1 "JFK Republican". Pick of this litter are Patty and her real rival, Republican (without modification) Tiffany Smiley who is being backed by (what's left of) state GOP establishment.

    > US House 7th Congressional District - just 4 hopefuls, including incumbent Pramila Jayapal, leader of House progressives and shoo-in to make the general AND win re-election. Others are 2 declared Democrats and one Independent by name of Jesse James whose key campaign plank is liberating Julian Assange.

    > WA Secretary of State - very interesting & unusual open-seat race, resulting from mid-term resignation of former Republican SOS Kim Wyman, who left to take an election security job with Biden Administration; there are 8 candidates on the primary ballot (for remaining two years of Wyman's term) including 3 Republicans, 2 Democrats, 1 "Union Party", 1 "America First (R) Party" and 1 declared "Nonpartisan". The leading candidates are incumbent (appointed) Democrat SOS Steve Hobbs a former state senator, and Nonpartisan Julie Anderson, who is Pierce County (Tacoma) Auditor (county elections officer). General election race between Hobbs and Anderson should be a humdinger, with Republican voters gravitating to her, along with some Dems and many independents who have become used to voting for a Republican for this office, in large measure so they do NOT cast a party-line vote their entire ballot.

    > WA State Senator 36th Leg District - another open seat race, caused by retirement of sitting senator, 2 candidates on ballot, both Democrats; both will automatically advance to the general, but #1 vote getter will be incumbent State Representative, the other is a perennial candidate who is 99.46% sure get crushed in the Fall.

    > WA State Representative - two separate positions on ballot, in one the incumbent Dem is running unopposed, in the other, open-seat race there are 5 hopefuls, all Democrats, of whom two will advance to general, probably the lone moderate and one progressive, with Republican voters (about 10% max in this district) mostly going for the mod, and Democrats splitting, with precise balance deciding the outcome.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    This debate is why, despite everything, they will miss Boris. Especially come the election.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,040
    Francis Scarr
    @francis_scarr
    ·
    4h
    You couldn't make this up

    Last night Russian state TV ran a report on the unexpected 'benefits' of having your son killed in Ukraine

    You can buy a Lada with the compensation given to you by the state!

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1548992984946974720
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,146

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    Couldn't see anything when I had a look on Twatter just now but did find this very nice, and possibly if obscurely relevant, pic of a rock:

    https://twitter.com/asIiceofhistory/status/1545991880953196544
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,618
    Farooq said:

    London needs shade today, and London just got it:

    "Boris Johnson is opening the debate on the confidence motion in the government.

    He starts by complaining that MPs could be spending their time on something more useful.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, points out that it is the government that scheduled this debate, and tabled the motion."

    from the Gurnaida

    Government attacks government for tabling vote of confidence in the government??
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,624

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    "Vote Penny, Get Beaver!"
    Ooh you are awful... but I like you!
    You are Kenneth Williams and I claim my 5 pounds. Scots.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242
    AlistairM said:

    Curse of the new thread...

    Here on the Bucks/Oxon borders I think it must be around 36c but there is a bit of a breeze. I have certainly been in hotter places before but it is certainly very toasty for this country.

    I am remarkably impressed by how well our new build (4 years old) house has coped. I closed everything at just after 9am today. Downstairs is about 23c and upstairs about 25c. When you step in from outside it feels air conditioned. All that insulation designed to keep the house warm is paying off now too. Our house is rendered white which I think must help too.

    Upon reading "Bucks/Oxon" my immediate mental picture was of a 6-point buck in standoff with a longhorn ox!
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997
    Nigelb said:

    NigelB - FWIW, a local supermarket here in the Seattle area (QFC) has been raising leafy plants inside a nearby store under artificial lights for months now. As I recall from the last time I looked, basil is the most popular. (Electricity is cheaper in this area than most places.)

    Thanks; I vaguely recall reading something about that, or something along the same lines.
    For niche cases - relatively high value goods like herbs, which perish rapidly and are expensive to ship - it's already interesting to some markets.
    Raising leafy plants under lights is very popular, the previous tenants in the flat above me used to do it, until the police for some reason took exception and raided it quite dramatically. Well, dramatic for suburban Hampshire.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,572

    On a list of "worst MPs" from a party you've voted for, I'd have to put Michael Fabricant consistently at or near the top of the list.

    Its still hard to believe he's actually genuine and not a Harry Enfield character.

    Does George Gallaway count, given he was Labour in 1997 and 2001 if not now?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,280
    edited July 2022
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,040

    Farooq said:

    London needs shade today, and London just got it:

    "Boris Johnson is opening the debate on the confidence motion in the government.

    He starts by complaining that MPs could be spending their time on something more useful.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, points out that it is the government that scheduled this debate, and tabled the motion."

    from the Gurnaida

    Government attacks government for tabling vote of confidence in the government??
    What's Johnson up to with this?

    Something to feed the 'stabbed in the back' campaign he plans to run after September?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    My guess is it's Boris and Lebedev and co. That would interest Finns, and there was the reference to multiple injunctions, which I understand Russian wideboys re very fond of taking out
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    I would have thought there would be Swedish-language Finnish stuff and you could find it quite easily.
  • Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    "Vote Penny, Get Beaver!"
    So there was a River Otter Beaver Trial. Is there a River Beaver Otter Trial?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,083
    Looks like temps have peaked today at around 37C - the heat is moving north east and hottest now is Woburn
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,837

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    "Vote Penny, Get Beaver!"
    Ooh you are awful... but I like you!
    You are Kenneth Williams and I claim my 5 pounds. Scots.
    That was Dick Emery.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,920

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    "Vote Penny, Get Beaver!"
    Ooh you are awful... but I like you!
    You are Kenneth Williams and I claim my 5 pounds. Scots.
    Dick Emery, actually.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Carnyx said:

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    Couldn't see anything when I had a look on Twatter just now but did find this very nice, and possibly if obscurely relevant, pic of a rock:

    https://twitter.com/asIiceofhistory/status/1545991880953196544
    They’re called ‘erratics’ aren’t they? Been many moons since I studied geology. Very common throughout the former glaciated areas, eg Scotland and Scandinavia.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,618

    Farooq said:

    London needs shade today, and London just got it:

    "Boris Johnson is opening the debate on the confidence motion in the government.

    He starts by complaining that MPs could be spending their time on something more useful.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, points out that it is the government that scheduled this debate, and tabled the motion."

    from the Gurnaida

    Government attacks government for tabling vote of confidence in the government??
    What's Johnson up to with this?

    Something to feed the 'stabbed in the back' campaign he plans to run after September?
    6D Chess just got real
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,960
    Andy_JS said:
    It's so cute how his mouth opens and Meghan's voice comes out.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,257

    Selebian said:

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    There's always someone else :wink: I'd put her bottom of my list (with the caveat that Badenoch, while interesting, might do some things I really dislike; Truss I think would achieve little, so she might be preferable in that sense).

    She's my second best betting result, though. Only because I saw value when she drifted out. Badenoch is still my best, even though I sold most of my stake early on.

    *good/bad depending on whether she did more or what I liked or more that I disliked
    Considering you and I are actually quite similar in many of our political views, I'd be curious why you'd put her bottom of your list?
    We are? :open_mouth: Well, in some views... Both small l liberal, though we have some differences on EU and broader economic policy, I think

    I don't think she's particularly competent, doesn't have any vision (neither does Sunak, to be fair, not sure about Mordaunt) and (unfairly) I find her quite annoying.

    Also, she's a double traitor - LD leaver and repentent remoaner :wink:
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997
    Flanner said:

    AlistairM said:

    Curse of the new thread...

    Here on the Bucks/Oxon borders I think it must be around 36c but there is a bit of a breeze. I have certainly been in hotter places before but it is certainly very toasty for this country.

    I am remarkably impressed by how well our new build (4 years old) house has coped. I closed everything at just after 9am today. Downstairs is about 23c and upstairs about 25c. When you step in from outside it feels air conditioned. All that insulation designed to keep the house warm is paying off now too. Our house is rendered white which I think must help too.

    Insulation insulates. Who knew?
    To be honest, the insulation quality of your 4 year old house doesn't sound that different from our 350-year old in much the same part of the Thames Valley. The only relevant changes a few dozen occupants have made over the centuries to the feet-thick limestone have been a lot more opportunities for air to blow through and lots of double-glazing.
    I just got home from work, it's 35 outside and 26 inside. I've been working in 30,so it feels like aircon. And I forgot not to open the curtains.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,146

    Carnyx said:

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    Couldn't see anything when I had a look on Twatter just now but did find this very nice, and possibly if obscurely relevant, pic of a rock:

    https://twitter.com/asIiceofhistory/status/1545991880953196544
    They’re called ‘erratics’ aren’t they? Been many moons since I studied geology. Very common throughout the former glaciated areas, eg Scotland and Scandinavia.
    Yep!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242
    Andy_JS said:
    Which as US resident he has every right to do, up to a point (can't vote or contribute funds).

    Whether it's a smart thing for Harry to do, is another question. One that I will NOT rely upon the Daily Mail to judge.

    BTW, the Daily Mail tabloid TV show aired from coast to coast here is notably WAY less Harry-phobic than it's parent "organ". Indeed, rather pro Harry & Meghan, as it is aimed NOT at Blimplish-liverish geezers, but at a younger, hipper demographic.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,572

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,869

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    Are otters also protected on the River Beaver? I think we should be told!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242

    On a list of "worst MPs" from a party you've voted for, I'd have to put Michael Fabricant consistently at or near the top of the list.

    Its still hard to believe he's actually genuine and not a Harry Enfield character.

    Michael Fabricant is the Thinking Person's Boris Johnson
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    I would have thought there would be Swedish-language Finnish stuff and you could find it quite easily.
    Absolutely! In theory 😉

    Only about 5% of Finnish media - much less of social media - is in Swedish, so it’s not a great help.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,146

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    Are otters also protected on the River Beaver? I think we should be told!
    No need, as they are protected everywhere (mind, I am suddenly not so sure about HMtQ's estates these days).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,146

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    Jim Callaghan himself said that that was a lot of nonsense.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812
    I asked my brother, who speaks Finnish, to check Finnish social media, but he currently can’t be arsed.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,618
    ….
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Tres said:

    Christ the sooner this country gets rid of this turd in Downing Street the better.

    Yes, I'm a bit disappointed in this 'let him wazz around till 5th Sep' outcome.
  • As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    The SNP didn't just bring down a Labour government. The SNP joined with the Conservatives to bring down a Labour Government put Margaret Thatcher in power for 11 years.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Andy_JS said:

    Good evening. What temperature did London / Heathrow peak at today?

    Not wanting to be a spoil sport (actually I do) but for the record to be meaningful it should be at a long-established weather station, one not affected by urban heat island effects. Airports are well dodgy sites for long-term significance. (Repeat due to curse of new thread)
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Carnyx said:

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    Are otters also protected on the River Beaver? I think we should be told!
    No need, as they are protected everywhere (mind, I am suddenly not so sure about HMtQ's estates these days).
    Brenda can shoot what she likes.

    Her eldest offspring, less so.

    Those who live by popularity contests die by popularity contests.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,146

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    The SNP didn't just bring down a Labour government. The SNP joined with the Conservatives to bring down a Labour Government put Margaret Thatcher in power for 11 years.
    Not according to Jim Callaghan. Who knew rather more about it than you (or me, admittedly).
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Carnyx said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    Jim Callaghan himself said that that was a lot of nonsense.
    Labour scumbags care not a jot for facts. They are just as much up their own arses as the Tories.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,618
    kinabalu said:

    Tres said:

    Christ the sooner this country gets rid of this turd in Downing Street the better.

    Yes, I'm a bit disappointed in this 'let him wazz around till 5th Sep' outcome.
    Can’t he just go on holiday for the next six weeks? It’s not as if anyone is going to miss him.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242

    NigelB - FWIW, a local supermarket here in the Seattle area (QFC) has been raising leafy plants inside a nearby store under artificial lights for months now. As I recall from the last time I looked, basil is the most popular. (Electricity is cheaper in this area than most places.)

    Because Seattle has socialized electricity, and has had for over a century, via Seattle City Light, municipal utility that owns and operates 3 dams for hydro power. Resulting in some of the lowest electricity costs for businesses & residences in the USA.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,280
    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    That's what Stodge was intimating earlier.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    "Vote Penny, Get Beaver!"
    Ooh you are awful... but I like you!
    You are Kenneth Williams and I claim my 5 pounds. Scots.
    A fine figure of a man. I loved Kenneth. Willo the Wisp and all. A truly remarkable biography if you’ve got the time.

    But the quote wasn’t Williams! It was Dick Emery.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,280
    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    That's what Stodge was intimating earlier.
    I'll go back and read his comments.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    There's always someone else :wink: I'd put her bottom of my list (with the caveat that Badenoch, while interesting, might do some things I really dislike; Truss I think would achieve little, so she might be preferable in that sense).

    She's my second best betting result, though. Only because I saw value when she drifted out. Badenoch is still my best, even though I sold most of my stake early on.

    *good/bad depending on whether she did more or what I liked or more that I disliked
    Considering you and I are actually quite similar in many of our political views, I'd be curious why you'd put her bottom of your list?
    We are? :open_mouth: Well, in some views... Both small l liberal, though we have some differences on EU and broader economic policy, I think

    I don't think she's particularly competent, doesn't have any vision (neither does Sunak, to be fair, not sure about Mordaunt) and (unfairly) I find her quite annoying.

    Also, she's a double traitor - LD leaver and repentent remoaner :wink:
    Don't worry - you're not. He only thinks that because you've never done the 48 hour non-stop tumble on a specific point across multiple threads with him. He takes this to mean agreement.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,343
    Keystone said:

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    She seems serious, passionate and capable. I think you should back her to the hilt.
    From a Labour perspective she looks suitable. The public persona and charisma of T May + a harsh set of principles and without the solidity and correctness. I think Labourites are looking at a further period in opposition if Kemi gets it, otherwise they should be reasonably confident. Truss would be the Labour favourite though, as there is something to be said for all then others.

  • TazTaz Posts: 10,704
    dixiedean said:

    Fucking woke governments! How dare they assist deviant, foreign rodents display their trans(national) genitals in pure English habitats?

    Beavers to be legally protected from harm in England from October

    Under new legislation, it will be an offence to deliberately capture, kill, disturb or injure beavers in England or damage where the animals breed and rest

    A five-year government trial on the river Otter in south-west England concluded that beavers had brought “a wealth of benefits to the local area and ecology”.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2329105-beavers-to-be-legally-protected-from-harm-in-england-from-october/

    "Vote Penny, Get Beaver!"
    Ooh you are awful... but I like you!
    You are Kenneth Williams and I claim my 5 pounds. Scots.
    That was Dick Emery.
    Stop messing about.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    In GREAT news for the Conservative Party and the UK, all five candidates firmly on record now support the Net Zero 50 target and will do what they can to deliver it. 😎

    For Kemi promising “not row back on net zero” being described as a big u turn, whilst peat restoration is Sunak’s “pet project” Truss is leading a delegation to Canada in December as our PM, Tom was once on the side of more sewage pollution, but now thinks his voting on that stinks
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    edited July 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    That's what Stodge was intimating earlier.
    I'll go back and read his comments.
    Quite exciting all this isn't it. Sad bunch aren't we?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    Couldn't see anything when I had a look on Twatter just now but did find this very nice, and possibly if obscurely relevant, pic of a rock:

    https://twitter.com/asIiceofhistory/status/1545991880953196544
    They’re called ‘erratics’ aren’t they? Been many moons since I studied geology. Very common throughout the former glaciated areas, eg Scotland and Scandinavia.
    Yep!
    Seattle's most famous erratic rock (next to Kurt Cobain):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedgwood_Rock
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    Johnson is now recalling his trip in an RAF Typhoon jet at the weekend. He recalls taking the controls. But he handed back the controls, he says.

    He says he is doing the same with the Conservative party.


    Turns out he wasn't remotely able to do either safely
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,960

    kinabalu said:

    Tres said:

    Christ the sooner this country gets rid of this turd in Downing Street the better.

    Yes, I'm a bit disappointed in this 'let him wazz around till 5th Sep' outcome.
    Can’t he just go on holiday for the next six weeks? It’s not as if anyone is going to miss him.
    Perhaps whoever finishes third could become PM until 5 September, as a sort of consolation prize.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242

    Francis Scarr
    @francis_scarr
    ·
    4h
    You couldn't make this up

    Last night Russian state TV ran a report on the unexpected 'benefits' of having your son killed in Ukraine

    You can buy a Lada with the compensation given to you by the state!

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1548992984946974720

    "Sasha, why haven't you enlisted yet? The Mother(fucker) Land needs you NOW!"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    I asked my brother, who speaks Finnish, to check Finnish social media, but he currently can’t be arsed.

    If it was really a big thing, it would have leaked into our media by now.
  • It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.

    Agreed.

    Rishi v Truss final two looking increasingly nailed on, which is the perfect outcome.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    That's what Stodge was intimating earlier.
    I'll go back and read his comments.
    Quite exiting all this isn't it. Sad bunch aren't we?
    Exiting? It's only quite exiting for Tom Tugendhat.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    I would have thought there would be Swedish-language Finnish stuff and you could find it quite easily.
    Cicero said that the rumor was rumored to be subject of threats or more of injunctions and super-injunctions, so trolling the mainstream press likely to be unlikely at turning up anything at this time.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653

    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    That's what Stodge was intimating earlier.
    I'll go back and read his comments.
    Quite exiting all this isn't it. Sad bunch aren't we?
    Exiting? It's only quite exiting for Tom Tugendhat.
    Then he can go off for a tug n' that.

    God that was shit.

    It's the heat.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    The SNP didn't just bring down a Labour government. The SNP joined with the Conservatives to bring down a Labour Government put Margaret Thatcher in power for 11 years.
    I always thought it was the voters who put Thatcher in power, but I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.

    Alternatively, the "Anyone But Truss" voters might get behind Mordaunt to keep Truss off the balllot.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited July 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    It’s not happening Andy. As Badenoch has had a difficult time under scrutiny since the last vote, and Truss has improved (whatever that means) the Braverman votes increase Truss lead over Kemi and perhaps to about 10 on Penny.

    With her immature teen-like ideas and approach to politics (Kemi is certainly the heir to Gove) its hard to know what Sunak will do with her when PM, Education probably, unless he has disguised how much he dislikes her and her politics in which case Health.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,242

    It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.

    Not quite as fast a collapse as Bad'enoch's re: NetZero.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,881

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    She's probably the best qualified candidate. And I'd argue her record is better than Rishi who has come up with some pretty dreadful ideas in his two years of Chancellor, as well as being given a fixed penalty notice.
  • Foxy said:

    It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.

    Alternatively, the "Anyone But Truss" voters might get behind Mordaunt to keep Truss off the balllot.
    Who are these legions of "Anyone but Truss" voters?

    And the problem is that the party is quite close to a three way split right now, so no faction can afford to lend tactical votes to another without seeing themselves eliminated.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653

    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    It’s not happening Andy. As Badenoch has had a difficult time under scrutiny since the last vote, and Truss has improved (whatever that means) the Braverman votes increase Truss lead over Kemi and perhaps to about 10 on Penny.

    With her immature teen-like ideas and approach to politics (Kemi is certainly the heir to Gove) its hard to know what Sunak will do with her when PM, Education probably, unless he has disguised how much he dislikes her and her politics in which case Health.
    Has your preference moved away from Mordaunt now?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Farooq said:

    Johnson is now recalling his trip in an RAF Typhoon jet at the weekend. He recalls taking the controls. But he handed back the controls, he says.

    He says he is doing the same with the Conservative party.


    Turns out he wasn't remotely able to do either safely

    What a striking image. Oh how we'll miss this vivid and amusing man.

    (since leon isn't here)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,920
    Today's London to Inverness train has just reached Newcastle, 2 and a half hours late!

    (It's actually cancelled tomorrow).

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L77648/2022-07-18/detailed
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,136
    edited July 2022

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    I do. She's audacious and politically astute. Not long ago was supposed to be the liberal one, now she's somehow the candidate of the ERG. She'll reinvent herself again once she gets into Number 10.
    They said that about Boris. Things soon fell apart when he was forced to botch everything in a desperate attempt to keep all his disparate backers on board. Part of the Boris tragedy really.
    I mean, he won the election? And I don't think he was undone by the botching unraveling, it was more that he was constantly creating scandals. He got away with it early on because Brexit, but once that got done and he got into a grumpy midterm period people started applying the usual standards.
  • Farooq said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    The SNP didn't just bring down a Labour government. The SNP joined with the Conservatives to bring down a Labour Government put Margaret Thatcher in power for 11 years.
    I always thought it was the voters who put Thatcher in power, but I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.
    It was the SNP that forced the General Election that gave the voters that opportunity. Thatcher may never have been PM if it wasn't for the SNP voting with the Conservatives to bring down the Labour government when they did.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,146

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    Couldn't see anything when I had a look on Twatter just now but did find this very nice, and possibly if obscurely relevant, pic of a rock:

    https://twitter.com/asIiceofhistory/status/1545991880953196544
    They’re called ‘erratics’ aren’t they? Been many moons since I studied geology. Very common throughout the former glaciated areas, eg Scotland and Scandinavia.
    Yep!
    Seattle's most famous erratic rock (next to Kurt Cobain):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedgwood_Rock

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    Couldn't see anything when I had a look on Twatter just now but did find this very nice, and possibly if obscurely relevant, pic of a rock:

    https://twitter.com/asIiceofhistory/status/1545991880953196544
    They’re called ‘erratics’ aren’t they? Been many moons since I studied geology. Very common throughout the former glaciated areas, eg Scotland and Scandinavia.
    Yep!
    Seattle's most famous erratic rock (next to Kurt Cobain):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedgwood_Rock
    Ooh, that's quite something. Especially in Seattleite burb scenery.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6807012,-122.2975725,3a,75y,18.02h,86.36t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sO0TcMGgCLKd4m7IT1BFHnQ!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?panoid=O0TcMGgCLKd4m7IT1BFHnQ&cb_client=maps_sv.tactile.gps&w=203&h=100&yaw=21.581028&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e4

    Though there are bigger ones - appreciable fractions of square kms in size - big enough to quarry, known in Scotland, and I'm sure still bigger ones elsewhere.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Farooq said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    The SNP didn't just bring down a Labour government. The SNP joined with the Conservatives to bring down a Labour Government put Margaret Thatcher in power for 11 years.
    I always thought it was the voters who put Thatcher in power, but I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.
    It was the SNP that forced the General Election that gave the voters that opportunity. Thatcher may never have been PM if it wasn't for the SNP voting with the Conservatives to bring down the Labour government when they did.
    The election had to be held by October, 5 months later. What do you think Labour would have done in those 5 months that would have bettered their standing with the voters?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    I do. She's audacious and politically astute. Not long ago was supposed to be the liberal one, now she's somehow the candidate of the ERG. She'll reinvent herself again once she gets into Number 10.
    They said that about Boris. Things soon fell apart when he was forced to botch everything in a desperate attempt to keep all his disparate backers on board. Part of the Boris tragedy really.
    I mean, he won the election? And I don't think he was undone by the botching unraveling, it was more that he was constantly creating scandals. He got away with it early on because Brexit, but once that got done and he got into a grumpy midterm period people started applying the usual standards.
    Unravelled quickly too. Hartlepool and that big inflatable gimp of him floating triumphantly in the air was only a year ago.
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