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  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,193
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.

    Alternatively, the "Anyone But Truss" voters might get behind Mordaunt to keep Truss off the balllot.
    Who are these legions of "Anyone but Truss" voters?

    And the problem is that the party is quite close to a three way split right now, so no faction can afford to lend tactical votes to another without seeing themselves eliminated.
    MPs who have seen her up close, seen how useless she is, and fear for their seats. Not a prediction, but a possibility.

    I am quite green on Truss and a doubly good outcome for me as I think she will be an electoral liability very quickly.

    The Mail is keen on her.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,634
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.

    Alternatively, the "Anyone But Truss" voters might get behind Mordaunt to keep Truss off the balllot.
    Who are these legions of "Anyone but Truss" voters?

    And the problem is that the party is quite close to a three way split right now, so no faction can afford to lend tactical votes to another without seeing themselves eliminated.
    MPs who have seen her up close, seen how useless she is, and fear for their seats. Not a prediction, but a possibility.

    I am quite green on Truss and a doubly good outcome for me as I think she will be an electoral liability very quickly.

    What odds on two new PMs before the GE?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    It’s tedious waiting until 8pm for the result today. Get on with it!

    As for fertiliser and CO2, can Robert enlighten us on what Californian startup is going to become the Apple/Tesla/Google of food? Surely there’s mahoosive scope for highly energy and resource efficient vertical farming, closed loop even. Plenty experimenting with it, who’s going to be the trillion dollar company because of it? Because someone will.

    It's an excellent question.

    I've seen some very interesting companies in the sector - one of which produces LEDs tuned to photosynthesis. That is, they only output light in the wavelengths that plants can use for growing.
    These guys in Finland are interesting.
    https://solarfoods.com
    That is interesting.
    That kind of thing is great but it’s about finding the right use case. Most people don’t want to eat reconstituted sludge. Astronauts / Martian settlers = tick. Third world = tick. Fringe of western vegans = tick. What would be great is if they can get the mix right to complement grazing animals diets and take away need to use grain.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,466
    The TERF-led campaign against Penny has worked well, hasn't it?

    It's a shame they're too thick to realise that they've sided with some people who will soon be going after them...
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,285
    edited July 2022
    Carnyx said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    Jim Callaghan himself said that that was a lot of nonsense.
    "At an election rally in Glasgow at the start of the campaign, Callaghan attacked the SNP's role in joining with the Conservatives to bring his Government down. He described them as "turkeys voting for Christmas" and urged his Scottish supporters to "carve them up in the polling booths.""
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,718
    edited July 2022

    Carnyx said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    Jim Callaghan himself said that that was a lot of nonsense.
    "At an election rally in Glasgow at the start of the campaign, Callaghan attacked the SNP's role in joining with the Conservatives to bring his Government down. He described them as "turkeys voting for Christmas" and urged his Scottish supporters to "carve them up in the polling booths.""
    That was when he was electioneering. He had a different and more considered view as do political historians - that it only speeded things up by a few months at most.

    Labour had breached an agreement to allow a referendum without nobbling it. Simple as that.

    In any case, why aren't you complaining about the LDs as well?

    Or for that matter the Labour and SDLP MPs who abstained (one with an excellent excuse)?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552
    Stocky said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.

    Alternatively, the "Anyone But Truss" voters might get behind Mordaunt to keep Truss off the balllot.
    Who are these legions of "Anyone but Truss" voters?

    And the problem is that the party is quite close to a three way split right now, so no faction can afford to lend tactical votes to another without seeing themselves eliminated.
    MPs who have seen her up close, seen how useless she is, and fear for their seats. Not a prediction, but a possibility.

    I am quite green on Truss and a doubly good outcome for me as I think she will be an electoral liability very quickly.

    The Mail is keen on her.
    Someone has to be.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    It’s not happening Andy. As Badenoch has had a difficult time under scrutiny since the last vote, and Truss has improved (whatever that means) the Braverman votes increase Truss lead over Kemi and perhaps to about 10 on Penny.

    With her immature teen-like ideas and approach to politics (Kemi is certainly the heir to Gove) its hard to know what Sunak will do with her when PM, Education probably, unless he has disguised how much he dislikes her and her politics in which case Health.
    Has your preference moved away from Mordaunt now?
    There was an idea of Mourdant, a great idea, that didn’t match the reality of Mourdant. She seems under prepared by her team, whinging too much about attacks on her, missing in debate, gaff prone on ideas, and a touch fancying herself too much (which obviously gets buried in this field).

    Let’s be honest, as a contest it’s over, Rishi has this in the bag, 60/40 or more from members over probably Penny. But Labour will crush him by about 8 points in the general election.

    Let’s be honest, the Tories should have anointed Tom Tugendhat from this field. It’s over to TSE and HY to answer if he ever was a serious runner, and why he’s come fifth against that other 4.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446

    Let us never forget the immortal:

    Eddie: “What about people who have changed their minds on Brexit?”

    Liz Truss: “I don’t think people have changed their minds”

    Eddie: “You have”

    Liz Truss: “I have, thats true…”


    https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1105927514952749058?s=20&t=JAnyElK39bBqjdKEt_156g

    EPIC
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    It’s not happening Andy. As Badenoch has had a difficult time under scrutiny since the last vote, and Truss has improved (whatever that means) the Braverman votes increase Truss lead over Kemi and perhaps to about 10 on Penny.

    With her immature teen-like ideas and approach to politics (Kemi is certainly the heir to Gove) its hard to know what Sunak will do with her when PM, Education probably, unless he has disguised how much he dislikes her and her politics in which case Health.
    Has your preference moved away from Mordaunt now?
    There was an idea of Mourdant, a great idea, that didn’t match the reality of Mourdant. She seems under prepared by her team, whinging too much about attacks on her, missing in debate, gaff prone on ideas, and a touch fancying herself too much (which obviously gets buried in this field).

    Let’s be honest, as a contest it’s over, Rishi has this in the bag, 60/40 or more from members over probably Penny. But Labour will crush him by about 8 points in the general election.

    Let’s be honest, the Tories should have anointed Tom Tugendhat from this field. It’s over to TSE and HY to answer if he ever was a serious runner, and why he’s come fifth against that other 4.
    Not Brexity, too French, no experience. He was always a long shot

    Seems England peaked at 38.1 as against record 38.7
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    Couldn't see anything when I had a look on Twatter just now but did find this very nice, and possibly if obscurely relevant, pic of a rock:

    https://twitter.com/asIiceofhistory/status/1545991880953196544
    They’re called ‘erratics’ aren’t they? Been many moons since I studied geology. Very common throughout the former glaciated areas, eg Scotland and Scandinavia.
    Yep!
    Seattle's most famous erratic rock (next to Kurt Cobain):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedgwood_Rock

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Did we ever find out what @Cicero was referring to with the big Finnish story about to destroy the Conservative Party? I’m lazy and would rather not trawl the depths of the Finnish blogosphere.

    Couldn't see anything when I had a look on Twatter just now but did find this very nice, and possibly if obscurely relevant, pic of a rock:

    https://twitter.com/asIiceofhistory/status/1545991880953196544
    They’re called ‘erratics’ aren’t they? Been many moons since I studied geology. Very common throughout the former glaciated areas, eg Scotland and Scandinavia.
    Yep!
    Seattle's most famous erratic rock (next to Kurt Cobain):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedgwood_Rock
    Ooh, that's quite something. Especially in Seattleite burb scenery.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6807012,-122.2975725,3a,75y,18.02h,86.36t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sO0TcMGgCLKd4m7IT1BFHnQ!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?panoid=O0TcMGgCLKd4m7IT1BFHnQ&cb_client=maps_sv.tactile.gps&w=203&h=100&yaw=21.581028&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e4

    Though there are bigger ones - appreciable fractions of square kms in size - big enough to quarry, known in Scotland, and I'm sure still bigger ones elsewhere.
    Wedgwood Rock aka Boulder is located well-within the Seattle City limits. It's just that so much of the Emerald City in fact resembles a garden.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835
    Inferno latest: highest temperature reported so far is 38.1C in Suffolk, so looks possible that Cambridge will keep its record, until tomorrow at least. Luton Airport suspends flights due to runway defect (one assumes caused by molten asphalt.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,921
    Farooq said:

    Johnson is now recalling his trip in an RAF Typhoon jet at the weekend. He recalls taking the controls. But he handed back the controls, he says.

    He says he is doing the same with the Conservative party.


    Turns out he wasn't remotely able to do either safely

    At least the former isn’t now scattered in pieces across the landscape.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,757

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    I do. She's audacious and politically astute. Not long ago was supposed to be the liberal one, now she's somehow the candidate of the ERG. She'll reinvent herself again once she gets into Number 10.
    Nope, neither of you support Truss for PM, I’m not falling for that, you are only saying this for a bet or some clever punchline.

    She is absolute rubbish. She can’t speak. Has no presentational style, charisma or substance. She can’t think on her feet. She turns voters off. There is absolutely nothing there you can say is a good facet or characteristic, let alone makes her better than the other four candidates.

    I’m trying to work out how intelligent person with an interest in politics can publicly post what you have just. What is the punchline?
    "Marry me, Liz!"
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Just walked round to my sisters. I reckon my house and her house are the only ones with windows shut.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    @MarqueeMark was an early and enthusiastic backer of Penny. Would be good to hear his view.

    I still can’t quite make the numbers work for Truss, so I maintain it will be Rishi v Mordaunt.

    My prediction tonight (first posted this morning):

    Sunak 113
    Mordaunt 89
    Truss 84
    Badenoch 56
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    edited July 2022
    tlg86 said:

    Just walked round to my sisters. I reckon my house and her house are the only ones with windows shut.

    It never ceases to amaze me that people do this. There should be a public information video with the correct way to keep your house cool.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    Farooq said:

    London needs shade today, and London just got it:

    "Boris Johnson is opening the debate on the confidence motion in the government.

    He starts by complaining that MPs could be spending their time on something more useful.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, points out that it is the government that scheduled this debate, and tabled the motion."

    from the Gurnaida

    Absolutely blood absurd. "Why are we here? What a waste of time" // "We're here because the government proposed this motion to be debated now"
  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32
    How many does Kemi need to get to turn heads and swing votes in the next round ? 70 ?



  • eekeek Posts: 28,264

    Today's London to Inverness train has just reached Newcastle, 2 and a half hours late!

    (It's actually cancelled tomorrow).

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L77648/2022-07-18/detailed

    It does seem to have spent over an hour sat at Darlington Station.
  • Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,910
    Foolish Penny pounded by wise pundits
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342
    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,921
    .

    Stocky said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The interesting result tonight would be if Badenoch somehow overtakes Truss, or gets close to doing so. Also if Mordaunt loses votes compared to the previous round.

    It’s not happening Andy. As Badenoch has had a difficult time under scrutiny since the last vote, and Truss has improved (whatever that means) the Braverman votes increase Truss lead over Kemi and perhaps to about 10 on Penny.

    With her immature teen-like ideas and approach to politics (Kemi is certainly the heir to Gove) its hard to know what Sunak will do with her when PM, Education probably, unless he has disguised how much he dislikes her and her politics in which case Health.
    Has your preference moved away from Mordaunt now?
    There was an idea of Mourdant, a great idea, that didn’t match the reality of Mourdant. She seems under prepared by her team, whinging too much about attacks on her, missing in debate, gaff prone on ideas, and a touch fancying herself too much (which obviously gets buried in this field).

    Let’s be honest, as a contest it’s over, Rishi has this in the bag, 60/40 or more from members over probably Penny. But Labour will crush him by about 8 points in the general election.

    Let’s be honest, the Tories should have anointed Tom Tugendhat from this field. It’s over to TSE and HY to answer if he ever was a serious runner, and why he’s come fifth against that other 4.
    To put it simply, because the current Conservative party is shit.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,634
    Farooq said:

    Provisionally, it looks like RH1992 has narrowly pipped Carnyx in the "pin the burning hot poker on the country" competition:


    Missed that competition - hope we're going to do it again for the *hot* day.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    The Kemi rampers on here are going to be hugely disappointed.

    She performed well, but couldn’t get lift-off.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,757

    Francis Scarr
    @francis_scarr
    ·
    4h
    You couldn't make this up

    Last night Russian state TV ran a report on the unexpected 'benefits' of having your son killed in Ukraine

    You can buy a Lada with the compensation given to you by the state!

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1548992984946974720

    "Sasha, why haven't you enlisted yet? The Mother(fucker) Land needs you NOW!"


    Hat-tip original by Mica Wright:
    https://rense.com/1.imagesG/whathet.jpg


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342
    edited July 2022

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    Not literal shite, unless the cows are in France. Shit food that they can't digest well.
  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    No Kemi number ?
  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32

    The Kemi rampers on here are going to be hugely disappointed.

    She performed well, but couldn’t get lift-off.

    Shame as she's the last Conservative in the race.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446

    Foolish Penny pounded by wise pundits

    After the initial excitement, the penny dropped.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    The SNP didn't just bring down a Labour government. The SNP joined with the Conservatives to bring down a Labour Government put Margaret Thatcher in power for 11 years.
    I always thought it was the voters who put Thatcher in power, but I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.
    It was the SNP that forced the General Election that gave the voters that opportunity. Thatcher may never have been PM if it wasn't for the SNP voting with the Conservatives to bring down the Labour government when they did.
    The election had to be held by October, 5 months later. What do you think Labour would have done in those 5 months that would have bettered their standing with the voters?
    If Labour had been allowed to hold the GE at a time of their own choosing they may have held on to power. As it was they were forced to have the GE in May 1979 which was a time that the SNP and the Conservative's chose. The Conservative won in 1979 with the help of the SNP. It's not convenient for the SNP to remember this now but it happened and you can't change history although the SNP would certainly try.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,658
    edited July 2022

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    So Mordaunt gets closest to Starmer while Sunak has a slightly higher Tory votershare and Truss likely leads to a Labour landslide of 1997 proportions, at least in terms of the popular vote.

    By comparison Redfield has it Johnson 33% Starmer 43% as best PM, so none of the likely final 3 Tory leadership candidates does better than Boris and Truss does significantly worse

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1549066509162614784?s=20&t=Lh8o2TwC71lEl1t2AZ8Srg
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    TGOHF22 said:

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    No Kemi number ?
    Such weird numbers, they don’t smell very transitive.

    Disappointing for the Tories, though.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,008

    The TERF-led campaign against Penny has worked well, hasn't it?

    It's a shame they're too thick to realise that they've sided with some people who will soon be going after them...

    Radical Feminists in the Tory Party?

    Er ...
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    TGOHF22 said:

    The Kemi rampers on here are going to be hugely disappointed.

    She performed well, but couldn’t get lift-off.

    Shame as she's the last Conservative in the race.
    Shame and sad, she could be spending a huge chunk of her career in opposition till becoming “the future once” 😕
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,910
    edited July 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    Jim Callaghan himself said that that was a lot of nonsense.
    "At an election rally in Glasgow at the start of the campaign, Callaghan attacked the SNP's role in joining with the Conservatives to bring his Government down. He described them as "turkeys voting for Christmas" and urged his Scottish supporters to "carve them up in the polling booths.""
    That was when he was electioneering. He had a different and more considered view as do political historians - that it only speeded things up by a few months at most.

    Labour had breached an agreement to allow a referendum without nobbling it. Simple as that.

    In any case, why aren't you complaining about the LDs as well?

    Or for that matter the Labour and SDLP MPs who abstained (one with an excellent excuse)?
    We’re back in articles of faith territory again, that the SNP booted principled, honest Labour in the baws and ushered in a decade of Thacherism is one Labourites cling to and repeat at the drop of a Jimmy hat (much good that it does them with Scottish voters).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,837
    Excoriating from Hodge
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,634

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    Not literal shite, unless the cows are in France. Shit food that they can't digest well.
    Cows also fart when they eat grass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogens_in_digestive_tract_of_ruminants
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342
    edited July 2022

    Foolish Penny pounded by wise pundits

    After the initial excitement, the penny dropped.
    Penny was less than stellar in two debates (worse in one). That's really about the sum of what's gone wrong in the campaign itself. The rest was a media and rival character assassination, based, sadly, on her own prior misjudgements.

    But over all, you have to ask where the Penny who says cock in a speech 7 times and belly flops on TV, and hands Angela Raynor her arse in the Commons has been hiding.
  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32

    TGOHF22 said:

    The Kemi rampers on here are going to be hugely disappointed.

    She performed well, but couldn’t get lift-off.

    Shame as she's the last Conservative in the race.
    Shame and sad, she could be spending a huge chunk of her career in opposition till becoming “the future once” 😕
    Well maybe - but the rainbow coalition from hell that might scrape the numbers in 2024 won't last forever.

    She's not lit as big a fire as she could have - perhaps she was only ever thinking about next time..
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    Not literal shite, unless the cows are in France. Shit food that they can't digest well.
    Cows also fart when they eat grass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogens_in_digestive_tract_of_ruminants
    Big issue in NZ
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    No, it is because cows ferment cellulose to break it down into digestible form, methane is a byproduct.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    IanB2 said:

    Excoriating from Hodge

    Margaret Hodge was far better than Starmer and Blackford today.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,634
    HYUFD said:

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    So Mordaunt gets closest to Starmer while Sunak has a slightly higher Tory votershare and Truss likely leads to a Labour landslide of 1997 proportions, at least in terms of the popular vote.

    By comparison Redfield has it Johnson 33% Starmer 43% as best PM, so none of the likely final 3 Tory leadership candidates does better than Boris and Truss does significantly worse

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1549066509162614784?s=20&t=Lh8o2TwC71lEl1t2AZ8Srg
    Who are you hoping will win the leadership race @HYUFD ?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737
    .

    Foolish Penny pounded by wise pundits

    After the initial excitement, the penny dropped.
    Penny was less than stellar in two debates (worse in one). That's really about the sum of what's gone wrong in the campaign itself. The rest was a media and rival character assassination, based, sadly, on her own prior misjudgements.

    But over all, you have to ask where the Penny who says cock im a speech 7 times and belly flops on TV, and hands Angela Raynor her arse in the Commons has been hiding.
    Yes it’s very hard to put the two together isn’t it. She managed to show almost no personality at all in 2 and a half hours of prime time telly. Badly advised? Or froze under pressure?
  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    Not literal shite, unless the cows are in France. Shit food that they can't digest well.
    Cows also fart when they eat grass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogens_in_digestive_tract_of_ruminants
    Big issue in NZ
    Hardly as big an issue as having Comrade Jacquinda running the country as a prison camp.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Farooq said:

    Provisionally, it looks like RH1992 has narrowly pipped Carnyx in the "pin the burning hot poker on the country" competition:


    If you have time, could you rank guesses by high temp?

    Looks like Tuesday will also be a scorcher for many UKers.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 692
    I've just been watching the quiz show "Pointless". There was a round on politics where contestants were asked to name a member of the Cabinet following the 2021 reshuffle (The quiz was obviously filmed a few months back). One man said: "Isn't there someone called Rene Sunak?" From now on I shall think of Rishi with an apron and a tray of drinks serving in a French cafe.

    BTW there was a appalling lack of knowledge. One contestant could only name Boris Johnson and another had to make up a name because she couldn't think of anyone.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,332
    I reckon Sunak will win in the end, but I wonder if his dig at Truss last night will have damaged him, particularly with members rather than MPs.

    Sunak's question to Truss ("which do you regret most - being in the Liberal Democrats or voting remain?") managed to be both puerile and snide. It was beneath him - more of a Borisism. (I can't stand Truss, obviously).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited July 2022
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Provisionally, it looks like RH1992 has narrowly pipped Carnyx in the "pin the burning hot poker on the country" competition:


    Missed that competition - hope we're going to do it again for the *hot* day.
    I doubt I'll have time tomorrow, sorry. Someone else can pick up the baton if there's really demand for it.
    Just run the comp again on today's positions (so I win)

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    Holy God where do you get this lunacy from? Grass fed cattle produce more methane than grain-fed. Producing methane is part of the deal, it is no more a sign of faulty digestion, than you exhaling CO2 is.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    HYUFD said:

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    So Mordaunt gets closest to Starmer while Sunak has a slightly higher Tory votershare and Truss likely leads to a Labour landslide of 1997 proportions, at least in terms of the popular vote.

    By comparison Redfield has it Johnson 33% Starmer 43% as best PM, so none of the likely final 3 Tory leadership candidates does better than Boris and Truss does significantly worse

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1549066509162614784?s=20&t=Lh8o2TwC71lEl1t2AZ8Srg
    Won’t be long till Boris fans on here are posting “Assassin Sunak fans please explain”
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,757
    eek said:

    Today's London to Inverness train has just reached Newcastle, 2 and a half hours late!

    (It's actually cancelled tomorrow).

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L77648/2022-07-18/detailed

    It does seem to have spent over an hour sat at Darlington Station.
    Still at Newcastle for nearly a further hour!
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    The Kemi rampers on here are going to be hugely disappointed.

    She performed well, but couldn’t get lift-off.

    Let's see. I'm weary of talking my own book up but a fair few things have happened over the weekend.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    Did that PBer end up going golfing?
    Is BartyBobbins still insisting the weather is “glorious”?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,658

    HYUFD said:

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    So Mordaunt gets closest to Starmer while Sunak has a slightly higher Tory votershare and Truss likely leads to a Labour landslide of 1997 proportions, at least in terms of the popular vote.

    By comparison Redfield has it Johnson 33% Starmer 43% as best PM, so none of the likely final 3 Tory leadership candidates does better than Boris and Truss does significantly worse

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1549066509162614784?s=20&t=Lh8o2TwC71lEl1t2AZ8Srg
    Who are you hoping will win the leadership race @HYUFD ?
    Tugendhat, if not, anyone but Truss!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,634
    edited July 2022
    TGOHF22 said:

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    Not literal shite, unless the cows are in France. Shit food that they can't digest well.
    Cows also fart when they eat grass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogens_in_digestive_tract_of_ruminants
    Big issue in NZ
    Hardly as big an issue as having Comrade Jacquinda running the country as a prison camp.
    She's doing better in their polls than the UK government is in ours.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152

    Did that PBer end up going golfing?
    Is BartyBobbins still insisting the weather is “glorious”?

    It's pretty nice here. There was a summer BBQ taking place in the back garden of one of the houses I passed.

    There were some golfers on Woking golf course when I walked past it at around 11:30 this morning. Would have been a tough 18 after lunch.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552
    SandraMc said:

    I've just been watching the quiz show "Pointless". There was a round on politics where contestants were asked to name a member of the Cabinet following the 2021 reshuffle (The quiz was obviously filmed a few months back). One man said: "Isn't there someone called Rene Sunak?" From now on I shall think of Rishi with an apron and a tray of drinks serving in a French cafe.

    BTW there was a appalling lack of knowledge. One contestant could only name Boris Johnson and another had to make up a name because she couldn't think of anyone.

    Rene Sunak and the fallen Madonna with the big boobies?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    So Mordaunt gets closest to Starmer while Sunak has a slightly higher Tory votershare and Truss likely leads to a Labour landslide of 1997 proportions, at least in terms of the popular vote.

    By comparison Redfield has it Johnson 33% Starmer 43% as best PM, so none of the likely final 3 Tory leadership candidates does better than Boris and Truss does significantly worse

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1549066509162614784?s=20&t=Lh8o2TwC71lEl1t2AZ8Srg
    Who are you hoping will win the leadership race @HYUFD ?
    Tugendhat, if not, anyone but Truss!
    ...is the right answer, extraordinarily

    Still hoping for a sudden burst from Kemi, though
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    tlg86 said:

    Did that PBer end up going golfing?
    Is BartyBobbins still insisting the weather is “glorious”?

    It's pretty nice here. There was a summer BBQ taking place in the back garden of one of the houses I passed.

    There were some golfers on Woking golf course when I walked past it at around 11:30 this morning. Would have been a tough 18 after lunch.
    Where are you? What was your peak temp?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737

    I reckon Sunak will win in the end, but I wonder if his dig at Truss last night will have damaged him, particularly with members rather than MPs.

    Sunak's question to Truss ("which do you regret most - being in the Liberal Democrats or voting remain?") managed to be both puerile and snide. It was beneath him - more of a Borisism. (I can't stand Truss, obviously).

    Goodness that was a smug greasy moment to top them all wasn’t it. And he’s then got the cheek to say the debates are no good for party coherence. He deserves to be kicked out on his arse tonight but he won’t be of course.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807
    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    I've just been watching the quiz show "Pointless". There was a round on politics where contestants were asked to name a member of the Cabinet following the 2021 reshuffle (The quiz was obviously filmed a few months back). One man said: "Isn't there someone called Rene Sunak?" From now on I shall think of Rishi with an apron and a tray of drinks serving in a French cafe.

    BTW there was a appalling lack of knowledge. One contestant could only name Boris Johnson and another had to make up a name because she couldn't think of anyone.

    Rene Sunak and the fallen Madonna with the big boobies?
    That’s no way to talk about Liz Truss!

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    moonshine said:

    I reckon Sunak will win in the end, but I wonder if his dig at Truss last night will have damaged him, particularly with members rather than MPs.

    Sunak's question to Truss ("which do you regret most - being in the Liberal Democrats or voting remain?") managed to be both puerile and snide. It was beneath him - more of a Borisism. (I can't stand Truss, obviously).

    Goodness that was a smug greasy moment to top them all wasn’t it. And he’s then got the cheek to say the debates are no good for party coherence. He deserves to be kicked out on his arse tonight but he won’t be of course.
    His nadir was actually the closing address.
    The smarm was so thick you could sail on it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152

    tlg86 said:

    Did that PBer end up going golfing?
    Is BartyBobbins still insisting the weather is “glorious”?

    It's pretty nice here. There was a summer BBQ taking place in the back garden of one of the houses I passed.

    There were some golfers on Woking golf course when I walked past it at around 11:30 this morning. Would have been a tough 18 after lunch.
    Where are you? What was your peak temp?
    Woking in Surrey. Apparently it is 34 here at the moment. I don't think we got much above that to be honest.
  • KeystoneKeystone Posts: 127
    algarkirk said:

    Keystone said:

    Am I the only person on this site who, book-value aside, thinks that Truss is the best candidate?

    Almost everyone else on this site seems to be anti-Truss for one reason or another it seems.

    She seems serious, passionate and capable. I think you should back her to the hilt.
    From a Labour perspective she looks suitable. The public persona and charisma of T May + a harsh set of principles and without the solidity and correctness. I think Labourites are looking at a further period in opposition if Kemi gets it, otherwise they should be reasonably confident. Truss would be the Labour favourite though, as there is something to be said for all then others.

    Truss is probably better than Rishi for a host of reasons. Chief among them not having to take ownership for the economic situation.

    His stature will also be an issue on TV.

    The real question is whether Kemi would really broaden or sustain the party's reach.

    I'm not sure she will appeal to UKIP leaning former Labour voters in the Red Wall - or to Remain leaning Wets down south.

    She is articulate, attractive and sharp. I'm just not sure she is the answer to the fragmenting electoral coalition that the next leader will need to address.

    I don't think there is a large Black middle class vote that will flip if she runs - unlike the sizeable Hindu vote which is already moving into the Tory column.

    And she has personal weaknesses - I think she will look too ideological. She doesn't have personal gravitas - although she might develop that in time.

    My gut feeling is that she doesn't come across well on "women's issues" - health, transport, education etc - which is where the current Tory party is getting crucified among female swing voters. (Hillary Clinton had the same problem - she really loved the big picture economic and geopolitical strategy - and that was ultimately reflected in voter perceptions).

    It is remarkable how little attention the Tories have paid to these issues. Housing has only belatedly got onto the agenda because it is biting young activists.

    So the idea that a black female leader would close off the race and gender angle evaporates under closer scrutiny.

    And if she did win pretty soon she would get dragged down into the sorry horse trading that running the country involves.

    Selling personal sacrifices to the electorate while cutting corporate taxation is going to be a tough message.

    I think she is really cementing her position as a strong challenger for leader in 2025 if the election is lost.
  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32

    TGOHF22 said:

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    Not literal shite, unless the cows are in France. Shit food that they can't digest well.
    Cows also fart when they eat grass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogens_in_digestive_tract_of_ruminants
    Big issue in NZ
    Hardly as big an issue as having Comrade Jacquinda running the country as a prison camp.
    She's doing better in their polls than the UK government is in ours.
    Saying "let them eat cake" is more popular than actually eating cake it seems.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    TGOHF22 said:

    TGOHF22 said:

    The Kemi rampers on here are going to be hugely disappointed.

    She performed well, but couldn’t get lift-off.

    Shame as she's the last Conservative in the race.
    Shame and sad, she could be spending a huge chunk of her career in opposition till becoming “the future once” 😕
    Well maybe - but the rainbow coalition from hell that might scrape the numbers in 2024 won't last forever.

    She's not lit as big a fire as she could have - perhaps she was only ever thinking about next time..
    More than the coalition nature of the next Labour government, more important to the subsequent General Election is the next two years and the record Tory’s exit government with in 2024. If they leave behind an awful legacy on managing economy and managing Brexit, it will play in future elections, possibly more than when they enjoyed incumbency bonus this time.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,342
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    No, it is because cows ferment cellulose to break it down into digestible form, methane is a byproduct.
    Oh, right you are - I retract the above. It seems that claims of lower carbon footprint rest on 'soil carbon sequestration', rather thsn healthier no belchy cows.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    edited July 2022
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Did that PBer end up going golfing?
    Is BartyBobbins still insisting the weather is “glorious”?

    It's pretty nice here. There was a summer BBQ taking place in the back garden of one of the houses I passed.

    There were some golfers on Woking golf course when I walked past it at around 11:30 this morning. Would have been a tough 18 after lunch.
    Where are you? What was your peak temp?
    Woking in Surrey. Apparently it is 34 here at the moment. I don't think we got much above that to be honest.
    Oh, not so much to write home about, then.
    It’s 30 here, but humid, with occasional bouts of thunder.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,732
    Re header title: Rather good :)
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    Not literal shite, unless the cows are in France. Shit food that they can't digest well.
    Cows also fart when they eat grass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogens_in_digestive_tract_of_ruminants
    Big issue in NZ
    And anywhere else where (bovine) dairying is a major agricultural industry.

    First heard about cows > methane issue decades ago, while living in Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana, which is (or at least was) major source of milk & etc. for New Orleans metro area.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,649

    @MarqueeMark was an early and enthusiastic backer of Penny. Would be good to hear his view.

    I still can’t quite make the numbers work for Truss, so I maintain it will be Rishi v Mordaunt.

    My prediction tonight (first posted this morning):

    Sunak 113
    Mordaunt 89
    Truss 84
    Badenoch 56

    TT 12 then?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    I feel like whoever wins is going to have large chunks of the parliamentary party looking for an opportunity to stab them in the back from day 1.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    No, it is because cows ferment cellulose to break it down into digestible form, methane is a byproduct.
    Oh, right you are - I retract the above. It seems that claims of lower carbon footprint rest on 'soil carbon sequestration', rather thsn healthier no
    belchy cows.
    Grass fed beef is much healthier though of course.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,757
    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    I've just been watching the quiz show "Pointless". There was a round on politics where contestants were asked to name a member of the Cabinet following the 2021 reshuffle (The quiz was obviously filmed a few months back). One man said: "Isn't there someone called Rene Sunak?" From now on I shall think of Rishi with an apron and a tray of drinks serving in a French cafe.

    BTW there was a appalling lack of knowledge. One contestant could only name Boris Johnson and another had to make up a name because she couldn't think of anyone.

    Rene Sunak and the fallen Madonna with the big boobies?
    Fallen Mordaunt...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    edited July 2022

    @MarqueeMark was an early and enthusiastic backer of Penny. Would be good to hear his view.

    I still can’t quite make the numbers work for Truss, so I maintain it will be Rishi v Mordaunt.

    My prediction tonight (first posted this morning):

    Sunak 113
    Mordaunt 89
    Truss 84
    Badenoch 56

    TT 12 then?
    Yes.
  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32
    moonshine said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    No, it is because cows ferment cellulose to break it down into digestible form, methane is a byproduct.
    Oh, right you are - I retract the above. It seems that claims of lower carbon footprint rest on 'soil carbon sequestration', rather thsn healthier no
    belchy cows.
    Grass fed beef is much healthier though of course.

    And absolutely delicious.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    edited July 2022

    In GREAT news for the Conservative Party and the UK, all five candidates firmly on record now support the Net Zero 50 target and will do what they can to deliver it. 😎

    For Kemi promising “not row back on net zero” being described as a big u turn, whilst peat restoration is Sunak’s “pet project” Truss is leading a delegation to Canada in December as our PM, Tom was once on the side of more sewage pollution, but now thinks his voting on that stinks

    What Labour did anointing Brown is looking stupid this week, because a huge positive for the Tories is they are having a proper leadership contest. As it has developed, all five candidates now fully signed up to delivering Net Zero 50, and Badenoch has become isolated of sorts on Trans and Culture War. The contest is a shaper.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    HYUFD said:

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    So Mordaunt gets closest to Starmer while Sunak has a slightly higher Tory votershare and Truss likely leads to a Labour landslide of 1997 proportions, at least in terms of the popular vote.

    By comparison Redfield has it Johnson 33% Starmer 43% as best PM, so none of the likely final 3 Tory leadership candidates does better than Boris and Truss does significantly worse

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1549066509162614784?s=20&t=Lh8o2TwC71lEl1t2AZ8Srg
    It looks to me like Penny Mordaunt moves Starmer supporters into the "don't know" column.

    She's good at getting people to have a rethink, at first. But it doesn't last because she's soon found out.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552

    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    I've just been watching the quiz show "Pointless". There was a round on politics where contestants were asked to name a member of the Cabinet following the 2021 reshuffle (The quiz was obviously filmed a few months back). One man said: "Isn't there someone called Rene Sunak?" From now on I shall think of Rishi with an apron and a tray of drinks serving in a French cafe.

    BTW there was a appalling lack of knowledge. One contestant could only name Boris Johnson and another had to make up a name because she couldn't think of anyone.

    Rene Sunak and the fallen Madonna with the big boobies?
    That’s no way to talk about Liz Truss!

    I think there are four contenders for the booby prize.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,285
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    Jim Callaghan himself said that that was a lot of nonsense.
    "At an election rally in Glasgow at the start of the campaign, Callaghan attacked the SNP's role in joining with the Conservatives to bring his Government down. He described them as "turkeys voting for Christmas" and urged his Scottish supporters to "carve them up in the polling booths.""
    That was when he was electioneering. He had a different and more considered view as do political historians - that it only speeded things up by a few months at most.

    Labour had breached an agreement to allow a referendum without nobbling it. Simple as that.

    In any case, why aren't you complaining about the LDs as well?

    Or for that matter the Labour and SDLP MPs who abstained (one with an excellent excuse)?
    Considering the collapse of the SNP vote at the following election, it does rather seem as if they were turkeys voting for Christmas and they did indeed get carved up in the pooling booths.
    Whoever and whatever was ultimately responsible for Callaghan's government really does not matter to be honest. What matters is that the last time the SNP 'helped' bring a Labour government down, their vote collapsed. Which is why Starmer - if we get a hung parliament next election - is not going to struggle to get a Queen's Speech through the Commons and will likely be able to govern for long enough to call another election on his terms.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,649
    edited July 2022
    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    I've just been watching the quiz show "Pointless". There was a round on politics where contestants were asked to name a member of the Cabinet following the 2021 reshuffle (The quiz was obviously filmed a few months back). One man said: "Isn't there someone called Rene Sunak?" From now on I shall think of Rishi with an apron and a tray of drinks serving in a French cafe.

    BTW there was a appalling lack of knowledge. One contestant could only name Boris Johnson and another had to make up a name because she couldn't think of anyone.

    Rene Sunak and the fallen Madonna with the big boobies?
    Yes I noticed Boris has big boobies and also makes some
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788

    Farooq said:

    Provisionally, it looks like RH1992 has narrowly pipped Carnyx in the "pin the burning hot poker on the country" competition:


    Missed that competition - hope we're going to do it again for the *hot* day.
    Yes I'd like to do it tomorrow as well, would be interesting to see if I can do it 2 days in a row!
  • TGOHF22TGOHF22 Posts: 32

    HYUFD said:

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    So Mordaunt gets closest to Starmer while Sunak has a slightly higher Tory votershare and Truss likely leads to a Labour landslide of 1997 proportions, at least in terms of the popular vote.

    By comparison Redfield has it Johnson 33% Starmer 43% as best PM, so none of the likely final 3 Tory leadership candidates does better than Boris and Truss does significantly worse

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1549066509162614784?s=20&t=Lh8o2TwC71lEl1t2AZ8Srg
    It looks to me like Penny Mordaunt moves Starmer supporters into the "don't know" column.

    She's good at getting people to have a rethink, at first. But it doesn't last because she's soon found out.
    Voters have already made their mind up about Rishi.

    The rest have a chance to make an impression.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Not to alarm anyone but..

    “Extreme heat is taking its toll on Britain's electricity system. Demand is unusually high due to air con & fans, while solar & gas plants are less efficient...

    National Grid has issued an alert calling for more power plants tonight and analysts say the situation looks serious 😬”
  • Did that PBer end up going golfing?
    Is BartyBobbins still insisting the weather is “glorious”?

    Absolutely glorious weather here. 😎🌞

    Spent the last couple of hours with the kids in our blow up pool in the garden. 🏊‍♀️

    Great weather you'd normally have to pay to fly to, but at home instead. Even the Moaning Myrtles seem to have briefly stopped moaning and started enjoying themselves.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807
    edited July 2022

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    Yep, none of them have been able to demonstrate that they’ll be a gamechanger. Interesting that Mordaunt does the best, who they’ve comprehensively trashed and destroyed in order to get Rishi or Liz in Number 10…

    Advantage Labour…
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,634
    edited July 2022

    @MarqueeMark was an early and enthusiastic backer of Penny. Would be good to hear his view.

    I still can’t quite make the numbers work for Truss, so I maintain it will be Rishi v Mordaunt.

    My prediction tonight (first posted this morning):

    Sunak 113
    Mordaunt 89
    Truss 84
    Badenoch 56

    I can't see how Truss doesn't make the final two from that.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
    Truss is the Fuck the Union candidate par excellence. She’s head and shoulders above the rest.

    I think the SNP would have big problems if they joined with the Conservatives under Truss to undermine the operation of a Lab/LD coalition or Lab minority government with C&S and perhaps even bring it down. PM Truss would make that outcome more likely I think. So be careful what you wish for.
    “Joined with the Conservatives”?!? Ho ho. That’s a tremendous Labour attack line… when you lot quite literally just “joined with the Conservatives” in councils throughout the country. And don’t forget:



    Your memory is short. The SNP went from 11 to 2 seats in 1979 when it last brought down a Labour government.
    The SNP didn't just bring down a Labour government. The SNP joined with the Conservatives to bring down a Labour Government put Margaret Thatcher in power for 11 years.
    I always thought it was the voters who put Thatcher in power, but I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.
    It was the SNP that forced the General Election that gave the voters that opportunity. Thatcher may never have been PM if it wasn't for the SNP voting with the Conservatives to bring down the Labour government when they did.
    The election had to be held by October, 5 months later. What do you think Labour would have done in those 5 months that would have bettered their standing with the voters?
    If Labour had been allowed to hold the GE at a time of their own choosing they may have held on to power. As it was they were forced to have the GE in May 1979 which was a time that the SNP and the Conservative's chose. The Conservative won in 1979 with the help of the SNP. It's not convenient for the SNP to remember this now but it happened and you can't change history although the SNP would certainly try.
    Respectfully, you've just waffled and ignored my question.
    There HAD to be an election by October 1979. Labour were in trouble with the electorate, as the actual result showed. What would they have done in the last five months to turn it around?

    You claim it might have been better and it might have. It might have been worse, too. Voters don't like it when a government is holed below the waterline but limps on and on. Labour weren't governing well by this point and it's wishful thinking that they could have pulled a miracle out of the hat.
    I think the poor performance of the SNP in 1979 was more to do with the flop of the 1978 referendum.

    Callaghan would probably have won in 1978 with an autumn election. It was only after the collapse of his wage control policy that it all went wrong. Something that current politicians should ponder on.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,634

    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    I've just been watching the quiz show "Pointless". There was a round on politics where contestants were asked to name a member of the Cabinet following the 2021 reshuffle (The quiz was obviously filmed a few months back). One man said: "Isn't there someone called Rene Sunak?" From now on I shall think of Rishi with an apron and a tray of drinks serving in a French cafe.

    BTW there was a appalling lack of knowledge. One contestant could only name Boris Johnson and another had to make up a name because she couldn't think of anyone.

    Rene Sunak and the fallen Madonna with the big boobies?
    Yes I noticed Boris has big boobies and also makes some
    You were planning on voting for him at the next GE not so long ago!
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,944

    Not to alarm anyone but..

    “Extreme heat is taking its toll on Britain's electricity system. Demand is unusually high due to air con & fans, while solar & gas plants are less efficient...

    National Grid has issued an alert calling for more power plants tonight and analysts say the situation looks serious 😬”

    Solar plants are “less efficient”. Eh?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,757
    moonshine said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    ping said:

    Phil said:



    IIRC Sri Lanka didn’t run out of currency - they chose to ban fertiliser for their own reasons (albeit mad ones) failing to realise that the existing cash export crops were dependent on fertiliser imports & there wasn’t enough domestically produced fertiliser (regardless of source) to make up the difference. So exports fell more than imports & triggered a currency / balance of payments crisis.

    There was an excellent bbc world service programme on this last night;

    “The Climate Question: Can we feed the world without using chemical fertilisers?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct3kj5

    TBH, I usually skip over these climate programmes because they tend to be rather boring. But the title of this one piqued my interest.

    Anyway;

    Short answer is: No. The world can probably feed about 4bn people. But long term, chemical fertilisers are a big climate problem because methane is such a destructive greenhouse gas.

    Innovative solutions required.
    Farm kangaroos instead of cows. Produce much less methane.
    Milking them is a bit of a faff, though.
    No animal is created/evolved not to digest its food properly. The cows are fed shite, that's why they fart/burp. Do the same to Kangaroos; you'd get the same outcome.
    No, it is because cows ferment cellulose to break it down into digestible form, methane is a byproduct.
    Oh, right you are - I retract the above. It seems that claims of lower carbon footprint rest on 'soil carbon sequestration', rather thsn healthier no
    belchy cows.
    Grass fed beef is much healthier though of course.

    Not for the cows, it's not :lol:
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,907

    Not to alarm anyone but..

    “Extreme heat is taking its toll on Britain's electricity system. Demand is unusually high due to air con & fans, while solar & gas plants are less efficient...

    National Grid has issued an alert calling for more power plants tonight and analysts say the situation looks serious 😬”

    And they said I was mad for having backup batteries... best investment ever imho.

    Wait til winter and there's not enough gas...
  • It wouldn't shock me if Penny Mordaunt collapses like a flan tonight.

    She's been exposed as being an empty vessel over the last few days and I think a fair few of her votes will move to Rishi.

    Agreed.

    Rishi v Truss final two looking increasingly nailed on, which is the perfect outcome.
    Perfect in what sense?

    This sense.

    As things stand I think Liz Truss is going to win.

    I bloody hope so!
    I'm hoping for a Rishi/Truss run-off to the membership as its then literally win/win.

    Either win - my bet comes in, or win - the best candidate wins and we get the best candidate to be PM. Either way I'd be happy. 👍
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278

    Which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister?

    Sunak (CON): 33% (-1)
    Starmer (LAB): 43% (+2)

    Starmer (LAB): 37%
    Mordaunt (CON): 31%

    Starmer (LAB): 41%
    Truss (CON): 29%

    via @RedfieldWilton, 17 Jul

    (Changes with 10 Jul)

    Yep, none of them have been able to demonstrate that they’ll be a gamechanger. Interesting that Mordaunt does the best, who they’ve comprehensively trashed and destroyed in order to get Rishi or Liz in Number 10…

    Advantage Labour…
    Mordaunt would have been a total disaster.

    She looks nice and relatable, but there's nothing there. Nothing.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    biggles said:

    Not to alarm anyone but..

    “Extreme heat is taking its toll on Britain's electricity system. Demand is unusually high due to air con & fans, while solar & gas plants are less efficient...

    National Grid has issued an alert calling for more power plants tonight and analysts say the situation looks serious 😬”

    Solar plants are “less efficient”. Eh?
    Wrong sort of sunshine
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,466

    Not to alarm anyone but..

    “Extreme heat is taking its toll on Britain's electricity system. Demand is unusually high due to air con & fans, while solar & gas plants are less efficient...

    National Grid has issued an alert calling for more power plants tonight and analysts say the situation looks serious 😬”

    As I warned a few days ago... ;)
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