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Andy_JS said:

Iain Dale on Newsnight: good result for Mordaunt, Badenoch. Mediocre result: Sunak, Truss. Bad result: Hunt.

Grouped like that, kinda makes sense.

Sunak and Truss are too tied to Bozza to be really credible as replacements. Hunt is a mental return to summer 2019, and nobody wants that.
Mordaunt and Badenoch are attempts to move on. They might not be good attempts to move on, but the principle is sound.

rcs1000 said:

Mexicanpete said:

Watching Pesto. Team Sunak's cheerleader tonight is the airheaded Lucy Frazer. Come on Rishi shape up, she is useless.

I was at University with her (albeit she was a few years older than me), and I ran the ball when she was President of the Union.

She didn't seem like an airhead, and is a QC IIRC.

We often criticise politicians for being dim, but most of them have impressive CVs (even Richard Burgon) and it seems unlikely that too many thickies would slip through the exacting entry requirements.
Maybe politics is just very difficult.

FrancisUrquhart said:

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I welcome our robot overlords and I am willing to serve them.

Cookie said:

Andy_JS said:

Charles Walker MP was saying earlier that the 1922 Committee might set another bar for the next round, somewhere between 40 and 50 votes. Does anyone know whether this has been put in place?

'Might? Shouldn't they have sorted all this out before they started?

I do find it bizarre that a political party can set the rules after the contest starts. Surely you use the rules in place when the previous leader steps down? Same with the Labour Party, allowing members to join after the leader resigns and still vote.

Cookie said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Sean_F said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

BlancheLivermore said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

FF43 said:

bondegezou said:

Casino_Royale said:

bondegezou said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.

Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.

It is strangely totalitarian.

You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.

The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.

Totalitarian? To have a poster suggesting that men could do something about stopping sexist hate? It’s not exactly Kristallnacht.

I don't want to be hectored by a corporation on what I need to do as a man on my way to work and home again. It's sanctimonious and patronising.

The reason no-one says anything is they know the response would be: "if people don't want to buy a contract from an inclusive phone company then they are welcome to shop elsewhere".

So, people ignore it. And quietly simmer.

So, you’re saying because of your hurt feelings, we should do away with free speech?

We can always choose Kemi Badenoch as PM as she will ban Ben and Jerrys ice-cream on grounds of wokeness. Focusing on the priorities, clearly.

She didn't really say that, did she? Goodness me.

No

"The right has lost its confidence and courage and ability to defend the free market as the fairest way of helping people prosper. It has been undermined by a willingness to embrace protectionism for special interests. It's been undermined by retreating in the face of the Ben and Jerry's tendency, those who say a business's main priority is social justice, not productivity and profits, and it's been undermined by the actions of crony capitalists, who collude with big bureaucracy to rig the system in favour of incumbents against entrepreneurs. "

What right does she have to tell how private companies conduct their affairs?

Given that said companies want to lecture me about how I conduct my affairs, I think you, I, and she have exactly that right.

Why do you care so much? I just do not get it

Because it’s unpleasant to be constantly hectored? Because being told you're a bad person is tiresome? Because living in the 2020s feels like being fed a constant tirade of identity politics?
I suppose if you agree with the positions being put out you don't notice. If your initial reaction though is "well things are more complex than that" - it makes things exhausting.
I come here for my dose of political debate. I don't want it everywhere. We used to be quite good at separating out the political from the non political.

It’s a digital display. I don’t see now that constitutes hectoring. How do you make it through any urban public space?

It doesn’t seem to me to be telling me (a man) that I’m a bad person. It’s encouraging me to do more to stop sexist hate, not saying I am committing sexist hate.

Addressing something to a male audience isn’t exactly radical identity politics. Adverts for decades, centuries even, have aimed themselves at one sex or the other. Yorkie bars for men, remember that?

You characterise it as being political. I don’t think trying to reduce misogyny in football is political.

nico679 said:

If Dorries , JRM and Truss are all against Mordaunt then that’s a good sign and hopefully if she wins they’ll be nowhere near the cabinet .

I’m surprised Sunak does so badly against her in head to head polls of Tory members .

I wonder how much is a subconscious desire to reinstate Thatcher? How many Tory members instinctively want a powerful woman at the wheel for that reason?

nico679 said:

If Dorries , JRM and Truss are all against Mordaunt then that’s a good sign and hopefully if she wins they’ll be nowhere near the cabinet .

I’m surprised Sunak does so badly against her in head to head polls of Tory members .

JRM and Nadine have concentrated their fire on Sunak so far. Let's hope that continues.

Cookie said:

rcs1000 said:

Mexicanpete said:

Watching Pesto. Team Sunak's cheerleader tonight is the airheaded Lucy Frazer. Come on Rishi shape up, she is useless.

I was at University with her (albeit she was a few years older than me), and I ran the ball when she was President of the Union.

She didn't seem like an airhead, and is a QC IIRC.

We often criticise politicians for being dim, but most of them have impressive CVs (even Richard Burgon) and it seems unlikely that too many thickies would slip through the exacting entry requirements.
Maybe politics is just very difficult.

There is something in that, many MPs are quite impressive face to face. There is something in the way our governance and particularly how our politics works which seems to really shear off much of their outward personality, and they fall into a lot of lazy cliches and uninformed commentary, along with (officially at least) a rigidity of thought that can look pretty stupid.

However, this does not explain all of them, even if they appeared intelligent in some other career.

The Rishi video showing him as a young person saying "I have friends who are aristocrats, I have friends who are upper-class, I have friends who are working-class... well, not working-class" is not exactly helpful as far as his campaign is concerned.

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MattW said:

Cookie said:

Wife (political bellweather) mentioned Badenoch. Said she hadn't liked what she'd heard but couldn't remember what it was she didn't like. She dug into her a bit and views were more mixed - but concerns about the idea of a party leader for whom religion is quite such a part of her hinterland.

Where does that come from, please?

Badenoch had a grandpa who was a Methodist Minister, and calls herself a "cultural Christian".

The most unusual thing is that her other grandfather converted from Islam to Christianity, and I make that in Nigeria in a time of inter-community wars. So potentially an eye-opener.

Unless it is being underplayed, that is not very much.

Have I missed something? Is your wife nervous about the type of religion often practised amongst black communities, which tends to be a touch more passionate (!) than eg CofE?

I think Mrs Cookie has got this one wrong.

Kemi is on record (easily googlable) as being agnostic. It’s her husband that is the catholic.

biggles said:

nico679 said:

If Dorries , JRM and Truss are all against Mordaunt then that’s a good sign and hopefully if she wins they’ll be nowhere near the cabinet .

I’m surprised Sunak does so badly against her in head to head polls of Tory members .

I wonder how much is a subconscious desire to reinstate Thatcher? How many Tory members instinctively want a powerful woman at the wheel for that reason?

Not sure Thatcher revisited would go down well in the Red Wall.

Regardless my hope is that we can at least have a PM who isn’t a pathological liar .

MattW said:

Cookie said:

Wife (political bellweather) mentioned Badenoch. Said she hadn't liked what she'd heard but couldn't remember what it was she didn't like. She dug into her a bit and views were more mixed - but concerns about the idea of a party leader for whom religion is quite such a part of her hinterland.

Where does that come from, please?

Badenoch had a grandpa who was a Methodist Minister, and calls herself a "cultural Christian".

The most unusual thing is that her other grandfather converted from Islam to Christianity, and I make that in Nigeria in a time of inter-community wars. So potentially an eye-opener.

Unless it is being underplayed, that is not very much.

Have I missed something? Is your wife nervous about the type of religion often practised amongst black communities, which tends to be a touch more passionate (!) than eg CofE?

I don't know, she was looking it up on her phone, so I'm not sure the source or the context. Whatever she was reading (and I can't imagine she'd be sourcing it from anywhere too overtly partisan) noted that religion was a key part of her hinterland - but I've learned more from you just now than I previously knew. I mention it only as a "this is the impression people seem to be getting" anecdatum.

Benpointer said:

bondegezou said:

Casino_Royale said:

bondegezou said:

Casino_Royale said:

bondegezou said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.

Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.

It is strangely totalitarian.

You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.

The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.

Totalitarian? To have a poster suggesting that men could do something about stopping sexist hate? It’s not exactly Kristallnacht.

I don't want to be hectored by a corporation on what I need to do as a man on my way to work and home again. It's sanctimonious and patronising.

The reason no-one says anything is they know the response would be: "if people don't want to buy a contract from an inclusive phone company then they are welcome to shop elsewhere".

So, people ignore it. And quietly simmer.

So, you’re saying because of your hurt feelings, we should do away with free speech?

It's not "free speech". This isn't about denying an individual the ability to freely express their views without fear or censure: this is about a megacorporation exploiting its financial muscle to buy up a massive public space and scream it in your face every day, day in day out.

We've all agreed Steve Bray is a dickhead, and what he does can't just be defended with "free speech".

This is the corporate Steve Bray.

So your objection isn’t too free speech, it’s too capitalism?

My objection is too many 'o's ;-)

Sorry. Spellchecker gone mad.

Benpointer said:

Cookie said:

JohnLilburne said:

Cookie said:

Andy_JS said:

Charles Walker MP was saying earlier that the 1922 Committee might set another bar for the next round, somewhere between 40 and 50 votes. Does anyone know whether this has been put in place?

'Might? Shouldn't they have sorted all this out before they started?

I do find it bizarre that a political party can set the rules after the contest starts. Surely you use the rules in place when the previous leader steps down? Same with the Labour Party, allowing members to join after the leader resigns and still vote.

Any contest at all, really, should have its rules set out before it starts. My 7 year old daughter likes to change the rules of a game midstream and it rarely ends well.

It does for her!

Congratulations Prime Minister Brady, then!)

What is Steve Baker's game?

Massively supporting Braverman.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Andy_JS said:

The Rishi video showing him as a young person saying "I have friends who are aristocrats, I have friends who are upper-class, I have friends who are working-class... well, not working-class" is not exactly helpful as far as his campaign is concerned.

Rishi is an absolute lightweight and disaster. This has been evident for over a year now, the man is a muppet.

Nah, the muppets are good.

..

rottenborough said:

What is Steve Baker's game?

Massively supporting Braverman.

He's a natural outsider. His instincts probably naturally lean toward those unlikely to win such a contest, and, in fairness to him, not seek to kowtow even to those he backs who do win such a contest.

rottenborough said:

..

The future of our country is to choose between different shares of blue candidates?

Well, Jeremy Corbyn would probably agree given the current Labour leadership, though he would lament it.

Andy_JS said:

The Rishi video showing him as a young person saying "I have friends who are aristocrats, I have friends who are upper-class, I have friends who are working-class... well, not working-class" is not exactly helpful as far as his campaign is concerned.

How old was he? I must admit, I probably didn't have any working class friends until the age of about 19 - and even then the very specific sort of working class who despite a working class childhood were now sort of between classes at university and would soon be joining the middle classes. I grew up in a massive middle class ghetto and there were about 10,000 privately owned suburban houses closer to me than the nearest council house. I don't expect Rishi's childhood was much edgier.

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Leon said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.

Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.

It is strangely totalitarian.

You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.

The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.

BIG BROTHER IS JUDGING YOU

Everywhere. I loathe it

If I move out of the UK, and that looks increasingly possible, Woke will be a major reason

Don’t you agree with me, the Premiership footballer charged with rape last week, but denies he did it, should still currently be suspended by his club? Because he isn’t.

Is it “too woke” to expect that?

rottenborough said:

..

I much prefer the shade of blue chosen by Badenoch.

eristdoof said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Andy_JS said:

The Rishi video showing him as a young person saying "I have friends who are aristocrats, I have friends who are upper-class, I have friends who are working-class... well, not working-class" is not exactly helpful as far as his campaign is concerned.

Rishi is an absolute lightweight and disaster. This has been evident for over a year now, the man is a muppet.

Nah, the muppets are good.

Sounds like a Waldorf and Statler punchline. 🙂

Cookie said:

MattW said:

Cookie said:

Wife (political bellweather) mentioned Badenoch. Said she hadn't liked what she'd heard but couldn't remember what it was she didn't like. She dug into her a bit and views were more mixed - but concerns about the idea of a party leader for whom religion is quite such a part of her hinterland.

Where does that come from, please?

Badenoch had a grandpa who was a Methodist Minister, and calls herself a "cultural Christian".

The most unusual thing is that her other grandfather converted from Islam to Christianity, and I make that in Nigeria in a time of inter-community wars. So potentially an eye-opener.

Unless it is being underplayed, that is not very much.

Have I missed something? Is your wife nervous about the type of religion often practised amongst black communities, which tends to be a touch more passionate (!) than eg CofE?

I don't know, she was looking it up on her phone, so I'm not sure the source or the context. Whatever she was reading (and I can't imagine she'd be sourcing it from anywhere too overtly partisan) noted that religion was a key part of her hinterland - but I've learned more from you just now than I previously knew. I mention it only as a "this is the impression people seem to be getting" anecdatum.

Thank-you.

For a collection of Tories, it is surprising to me how little CofE there is that we have seen.

I don't see anyone like - eg - Theresa May, who is an habitual church attender. I can quite see her as a Churchwarden or Lay Minister at some stage.

Badenoch is married to a Roman Catholic, so may well have adopted that denomination, either as a member of the 'community' (eg Easter / Christmas), or more committed.

It's quite a cross-section of faiths across the piece, and everyone comes across as pragmatic. There may be some soft-pedalling going on, though.

The possible exceptions I have noted are Steve Baker (particularly) and perhaps Jeremy Hunt.

I'm not really able to evaluate depth of commitment for other religions without some more background reading.

FrancisUrquhart said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1547307414680109058

What on Earth is going on at GBNews

GB News positioning on COVID is just weird, anti-lockdown, often anti-vax. Their demographic is oldies, right leaning, Brexit types.....oldies couldn't wait to get their jabs fast enough because quite rightly they were scared shitless of COVID.

Its not like the US where substantial right wing people were anti-vax / anti-lockdown / anti-mask etc....here, yes there is a fringe on both left and right, but it just isn't the same.

In that clip the guy seemed to blame the Queen.

Good fecking luck with that one GMB.

Closed by end of year.

Andy_JS said:

MoonRabbit said:

Leon said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.

Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.

It is strangely totalitarian.

You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.

The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.

BIG BROTHER IS JUDGING YOU

Everywhere. I loathe it

If I move out of the UK, and that looks increasingly possible, Woke will be a major reason

Don’t you agree with me, the Premiership footballer charged with rape last week, but denies he did it, should still currently be suspended by his club? Because he isn’t.

Is it “too woke” to expect that?

Rape has always been illegal. Nothing to do with woke. I don't know why he isn't suspended.

Its an interesting decision by their club given another player was omitted from their side for the whole of last season for similar reasons.

Farooq said:

Big billboard says "BUY THIS SHIT YOU DON'T NEED". Warm fuzzy feelings.
Big billboard says "MIBBE DON'T BE A C*NT". Anger erupts.

I don't understand some of you people.

Mark Fisher's Late Capitalism in a nutshell?

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1547307414680109058

What on Earth is going on at GBNews

GB News positioning on COVID is just weird, anti-lockdown, often anti-vax. Their demographic is oldies, right leaning, Brexit types.....oldies couldn't wait to get their jabs fast enough because quite rightly they were scared shitless of COVID.

Its not like the US where substantial right wing people were anti-vax / anti-lockdown / anti-mask etc....here, yes there is a fringe on both left and right, but it just isn't the same.

In that clip the guy seemed to blame the Queen.

Good fecking luck with that one GMB.

Closed by end of year.

I have never understood the economic case for GB News....I haven't really watched it, but it seems a proper weird channel in so many respects.

Farooq said:

Big billboard says "BUY THIS SHIT YOU DON'T NEED". Warm fuzzy feelings.
Big billboard says "MIBBE DON'T BE A C*NT". Anger erupts.

I don't understand some of you people.

I think I’d event easier than that. A person paying market rates has a right to have a billboard say whatever they like, unless it’s unlawful. I therefore find it hard to care what’s on them.

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Netflix has secured a deal with Microsoft to introduce advertising breaks for its streaming service as it scrambles to offset a fall in subscribers by offering a cheaper service for customers.

The streaming giant has chosen Microsoft to be its global technology and sales partner and will provide ads through its platform, its chief operating officer Greg Peters said on Wednesday.

Another massive hole in Nadine Dorries argument that BBC could be a subscription service like Netflix.

a) Netflix basic subs model under assault post-pandemic

b) Ads on BBC. Really? Pretty sure the Antiques roadshow loving tory members of Home Counties don't want any interruptions to sell them Equity Release.

Netflix problem is that the big bad mouse has appeared on the scene to eat their lunch (along with Amazon, Apple, Discovery and Paramount), while also spaffing too much money up the walls on very poor programmes, but the biggest problem is most crucially lost the old classic "sticky" content e.g. Friends and the Office.

There will be a couple of winners of the streaming wars, but Netflix now has a serious problem to be one of them.

biggles said:

HYUFD said:

Cookie said:

Anabobazina said:

MattW said:

Cookie said:

Wife (political bellweather) mentioned Badenoch. Said she hadn't liked what she'd heard but couldn't remember what it was she didn't like. She dug into her a bit and views were more mixed - but concerns about the idea of a party leader for whom religion is quite such a part of her hinterland.

Where does that come from, please?

Badenoch had a grandpa who was a Methodist Minister, and calls herself a "cultural Christian".

The most unusual thing is that her other grandfather converted from Islam to Christianity, and I make that in Nigeria in a time of inter-community wars. So potentially an eye-opener.

Unless it is being underplayed, that is not very much.

Have I missed something? Is your wife nervous about the type of religion often practised amongst black communities, which tends to be a touch more passionate (!) than eg CofE?

I think Mrs Cookie has got this one wrong.

Kemi is on record (easily googlable) as being agnostic. It’s her husband that is the catholic.

That's interesting.
Maybe it was just the 'cultural Christian' thing- maybe that was inferred as 'Christian, and takes it seriously, not like these going-through-the-motions Anglicans'.

If your wife is that anti Christian, Labour are welcome to her

Another winning electoral strategy from you.

I would rather lose than win on an anti Christian agenda. Though in any case Christian, socially conservative Black voters are a better prospect for the Tories than secular anti Christian liberals anyway

Cookie said:

Andy_JS said:

The Rishi video showing him as a young person saying "I have friends who are aristocrats, I have friends who are upper-class, I have friends who are working-class... well, not working-class" is not exactly helpful as far as his campaign is concerned.

How old was he? I must admit, I probably didn't have any working class friends until the age of about 19 - and even then the very specific sort of working class who despite a working class childhood were now sort of between classes at university and would soon be joining the middle classes. I grew up in a massive middle class ghetto and there were about 10,000 privately owned suburban houses closer to me than the nearest council house. I don't expect Rishi's childhood was much edgier.

It said 20 years ago so 22 if accurate.

biggles said:

Farooq said:

Big billboard says "BUY THIS SHIT YOU DON'T NEED". Warm fuzzy feelings.
Big billboard says "MIBBE DON'T BE A C*NT". Anger erupts.

I don't understand some of you people.

I think I’d event easier than that. A person paying market rates has a right to have a billboard say whatever they like, unless it’s unlawful. I therefore find it hard to care what’s on them.

Well yes.
But there's a spectrum, isn't there? I think if I were to pay for a hoarding which said "Biggles is a twat" (you aren't, of course), or "Biggles is responsible for bad things happening" (ditto), or "Biggles is responsible for bad goings happening to you" (ditto again), you might feel a bit aggrieved.

biggles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Netflix has secured a deal with Microsoft to introduce advertising breaks for its streaming service as it scrambles to offset a fall in subscribers by offering a cheaper service for customers.

The streaming giant has chosen Microsoft to be its global technology and sales partner and will provide ads through its platform, its chief operating officer Greg Peters said on Wednesday.

Another massive hole in Nadine Dorries argument that BBC could be a subscription service like Netflix.

a) Netflix basic subs model under assault post-pandemic

b) Ads on BBC. Really? Pretty sure the Antiques roadshow loving tory members of Home Counties don't want any interruptions to sell them Equity Release.

Netflix problem is that the big bad mouse has appeared on the scene to eat their lunch (along with Amazon, Apple, Discovery and Paramount), while also spaffing too much money up the walls on very poor programmes, but the biggest problem is most crucially lost the old sticky
content e.g. Friends and the Office

Content producers realising they can have they own streaming service is a game changer isn’t it? Now the film studios and networks are creating their own distribution, the value proposition of someone like Sky drops. If the FA, the ECB, the RFU and F1 clubbed together on a sports steaming platform, Sky would presumably die.

That being said it could go the other way, and there will need to be consolidation of streaming services and we go back to production departing from dissemination.

I would say old Rupert pulled a blinder flogging it for £30bn to Comcast.

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Netflix has secured a deal with Microsoft to introduce advertising breaks for its streaming service as it scrambles to offset a fall in subscribers by offering a cheaper service for customers.

The streaming giant has chosen Microsoft to be its global technology and sales partner and will provide ads through its platform, its chief operating officer Greg Peters said on Wednesday.

Another massive hole in Nadine Dorries argument that BBC could be a subscription service like Netflix.

a) Netflix basic subs model under assault post-pandemic

b) Ads on BBC. Really? Pretty sure the Antiques roadshow loving tory members of Home Counties don't want any interruptions to sell them Equity Release.

Netflix problem is that the big bad mouse has appeared on the scene to eat their lunch (along with Amazon, Apple, Discovery and Paramount), while also spaffing too much money up the walls on very poor programmes, but the biggest problem is most crucially lost the old classic "sticky" content e.g. Friends and the Office.

There will be a couple of winners of the streaming wars, but Netflix now has a serious problem to be one of them.

Everyone else involved has deeper pockets I think? Apple's are so deep you need the Webb telescope to see the bottom. But are they in for the long haul? Might e-car be more interesting?

biggles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Netflix has secured a deal with Microsoft to introduce advertising breaks for its streaming service as it scrambles to offset a fall in subscribers by offering a cheaper service for customers.

The streaming giant has chosen Microsoft to be its global technology and sales partner and will provide ads through its platform, its chief operating officer Greg Peters said on Wednesday.

Another massive hole in Nadine Dorries argument that BBC could be a subscription service like Netflix.

a) Netflix basic subs model under assault post-pandemic

b) Ads on BBC. Really? Pretty sure the Antiques roadshow loving tory members of Home Counties don't want any interruptions to sell them Equity Release.

Netflix problem is that the big bad mouse has appeared on the scene to eat their lunch (along with Amazon, Apple, Discovery and Paramount), while also spaffing too much money up the walls on very poor programmes, but the biggest problem is most crucially lost the old sticky
content e.g. Friends and the Office

Content producers realising they can have they own streaming service is a game changer isn’t it? Now the film studios and networks are creating their own distribution, the value proposition of someone like Sky drops. If the FA, the ECB, the RFU and F1 clubbed together on a sports steaming platform, Sky would presumably die.

That being said it could go the other way, and there will need to be consolidation of streaming services and we go back to production departing from dissemination.

Could they do it without clubbing together?
My problem with sky sports is that 80% of the cost is for football, and I don't get value from that. But I'd probably pay for cricket and rugby. If I could pay 20% of the costs and get an everything-but-football package it would suit me very well. Or even buy a separate package for each sport.

Farooq said:

Andy_JS said:

bondegezou said:

darkage said:

Casino_Royale said:

Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.

Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.

It is strangely totalitarian.

You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.

The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.

Totalitarian? To have a poster suggesting that men could do something about stopping sexist hate? It’s not exactly Kristallnacht.

Do you think that the sort of people who might do those things are going to take the slightest bit of notice of a poster like this? They couldn't care less about a poster. It's like putting a bit banner outside every bank saying "If you rob this bank you will go to prison".

Everybody thinks advertising doesn't work, apart from the hard-nosed business people who pay lots of money for it.
They know, you don't.

'Working' in this case though isn't stopping hate but selling more EE products.

Cookie said:

biggles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Netflix has secured a deal with Microsoft to introduce advertising breaks for its streaming service as it scrambles to offset a fall in subscribers by offering a cheaper service for customers.

The streaming giant has chosen Microsoft to be its global technology and sales partner and will provide ads through its platform, its chief operating officer Greg Peters said on Wednesday.

Another massive hole in Nadine Dorries argument that BBC could be a subscription service like Netflix.

a) Netflix basic subs model under assault post-pandemic

b) Ads on BBC. Really? Pretty sure the Antiques roadshow loving tory members of Home Counties don't want any interruptions to sell them Equity Release.

Netflix problem is that the big bad mouse has appeared on the scene to eat their lunch (along with Amazon, Apple, Discovery and Paramount), while also spaffing too much money up the walls on very poor programmes, but the biggest problem is most crucially lost the old sticky
content e.g. Friends and the Office

Content producers realising they can have they own streaming service is a game changer isn’t it? Now the film studios and networks are creating their own distribution, the value proposition of someone like Sky drops. If the FA, the ECB, the RFU and F1 clubbed together on a sports steaming platform, Sky would presumably die.

That being said it could go the other way, and there will need to be consolidation of streaming services and we go back to production departing from dissemination.

Could they do it without clubbing together?
My problem with sky sports is that 80% of the cost is for football, and I don't get value from that. But I'd probably pay for cricket and rugby. If I could pay 20% of the costs and get an everything-but-football package it would suit me very well. Or even buy a separate package for each sport.

You’d have to guess that if the ECB, Aussies and other smaller boards buddied up with the Indians it would be very doable for cricket.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Cookie said:

biggles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Netflix has secured a deal with Microsoft to introduce advertising breaks for its streaming service as it scrambles to offset a fall in subscribers by offering a cheaper service for customers.

The streaming giant has chosen Microsoft to be its global technology and sales partner and will provide ads through its platform, its chief operating officer Greg Peters said on Wednesday.

Another massive hole in Nadine Dorries argument that BBC could be a subscription service like Netflix.

a) Netflix basic subs model under assault post-pandemic

b) Ads on BBC. Really? Pretty sure the Antiques roadshow loving tory members of Home Counties don't want any interruptions to sell them Equity Release.

Netflix problem is that the big bad mouse has appeared on the scene to eat their lunch (along with Amazon, Apple, Discovery and Paramount), while also spaffing too much money up the walls on very poor programmes, but the biggest problem is most crucially lost the old sticky
content e.g. Friends and the Office

Content producers realising they can have they own streaming service is a game changer isn’t it? Now the film studios and networks are creating their own distribution, the value proposition of someone like Sky drops. If the FA, the ECB, the RFU and F1 clubbed together on a sports steaming platform, Sky would presumably die.

That being said it could go the other way, and there will need to be consolidation of streaming services and we go back to production departing from dissemination.

Could they do it without clubbing together?
My problem with sky sports is that 80% of the cost is for football, and I don't get value from that. But I'd probably pay for cricket and rugby. If I could pay 20% of the costs and get an everything-but-football package it would suit me very well. Or even buy a separate package for each sport.

County games just seem to be streamed free on YouTube now which is an interesting way of doing it.

IMHO I think Amazon will buy up a lot of sport over time. Sky is in trouble.

The cricket on YouTube has been a revelation. More people watch a lot of those matches than ever go to the games and some of the T20 ones have got some really got viewership e.g. I think Yorkshire vs Lancashire had 20-30k viewers on top of a full ground.

What time is today's vote and the result?

No sign of any info anywhere.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Disney+ has an insane amount of content now they own 20th Century as well. Netflix is an absolute nothing.

Amazon Prime is also good - but they've just bought MGM.

Which means James Bond.....

I watched Reacher the other week on Amazon Prime, thought it was pretty good.