Mordaunt certainly more likely to make it to the membership than either Badenoch or Truss on these figures.
With all the flaws of Sunak or Mordaunt that would not be the worst outcome. At least with those two you feel you're cooking with gas, as the saying goes.
Mike Dean, showing once more why he's a great referee.
Mike Dean says that fans should be able to listen to referees and VARs debating decisions — and believes that the change will come in the near future.
Dean, 54, who retired from refereeing at the end of last season after 22 years in the Premier League to become a full-time VAR, believes that the clubs will get behind the idea too, especially if they can charge for the service.
“I think in three or four years it will come in and we will be able to hear what is being said between the referee and the VAR,” he told The Times.
“David Dein, when he was running Arsenal, said when headsets were introduced years ago that he wanted fans to be able to pay £5 or £10 to listen in. The clubs would go for that, if they can make money from charging for headsets to listen in, and it could be another thing for advertising.
“They have it in snooker and rugby and we will definitely see it come in in the next five years. I think it’s a good thing if you can explain your decision, but I think it should only be when the referee is talking to the VAR that you are listening in. It shouldn’t be every single thing you say.”
Sorry Mike, but the thread is completely wrong. The big plunge in Mordaunt’s odds happened earlier today - in reaction to (as far as we can tell) - the yougov poll of Tory party members.
The betdata chart isn’t real-time.
Sorry, I’m not being an arse for the sake of it. These threads (and comments) form a useful archive for punters for future con leadership contests.
Mike Dean, showing once more why he's a great referee.
Nah, a great referee/football fan would want to scrap VAR. His argument for VAR is that if we don't have it, then our top refs wouldn't get to ref in Europe and international matches. That wouldn't bother me!
More importantly, you do know that Dean was a ballroom dancer when he was younger...
Sorry Mike, but the thread is completely wrong. The big Jump for Mordaunt happened earlier today - in reaction to (as far as we can tell) - the yougov poll of Tory party members.
The betdata chart isn’t real-time.
Yes, that's right. The markets barely budged after the actual result
Sorry for asking dumb questions if this has already been covered. But Is there another minimum cut off for the next round abd if so do we know what it is? Or is it just the lowest goes out now.
Sorry for asking dumb questions if this has already been covered. But Is there another minimum cut off for the next round abd if so do we know what it is? Or is it just the lowest goes out now.
Lowest goes out.
They should really have set a bar of 40 votes.
Rough on Tugendhat but as an ex-soldier he should understand that his duty to his country may require personal sacrifice.
Sorry for asking dumb questions if this has already been covered. But Is there another minimum cut off for the next round abd if so do we know what it is? Or is it just the lowest goes out now.
Sorry for asking dumb questions if this has already been covered. But Is there another minimum cut off for the next round abd if so do we know what it is? Or is it just the lowest goes out now.
I guess the 30 limit is still in place for tomorrow, but realistically it's bottom gets knocked out.
In 2001 there was a tie for bottom so that re-voted the next day.
Braverman really ought to pull out before the next round because she's going to get zero per cent of Hunt's votes and maybe only one or two from Zahawi at best.
Braverman also over performed. I'd not expected her to make the threshold. I think we were expecting three or four to fail to make the threshold, rather than two.
Charles Walker on Sky News seems to think a bar will be set for the next round, somewhere between 40 and 50. He used to be on the 1922 Committee himself.
Braverman really ought to pull out before the next round because she's going to get zero per cent of Hunt's votes and maybe only one or two from Zahawi at best.
Most of her votes will go to Badenoch. Could be the difference between Kemi going through and knocked out.
Charles Walker on Sky News seems to think a bar will be set for the next round, somewhere between 40 and 50. He used to be on the 1922 Committee himself.
That's odd. I'd have thought it would be standard rules from here.
No way can Tug or Braverman win this. So surely, even if they stay in the race, they will start leaching support now.
Tory MPs will realise only 4 can realistically win this and will vote accordingly. Either for their preferred one of the 4 or to try and prevent one of the 4 that they don't want making the final 2.
Braverman really ought to pull out before the next round because she's going to get zero per cent of Hunt's votes and maybe only one or two from Zahawi at best.
Most of her votes will go to Badenoch. Could be the difference between Kemi going through and knocked out.
I'd have thought most of them would go to Truss, or at least many of them.
Charles Walker on Sky News seems to think a bar will be set for the next round, somewhere between 40 and 50. He used to be on the 1922 Committee himself.
That's odd. I'd have thought it would be standard rules from here.
They like to make it up as they go along. I thought that was the opposite of "fair play".
Bob Stewart MP on Times Radio saying he’s backing Penny M because of her bravery. Asked for an example he says she bellyflopped a dive on the reality show Splash and then came back to dive again.
Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot · 18m Blimey that’s a close vote between Sunak and Mordaunt and Truss - I think there’s potentially been some overestimation about how sewn up the race is for Sunak
Mike Dean, showing once more why he's a great referee.
Nah, a great referee/football fan would want to scrap VAR. His argument for VAR is that if we don't have it, then our top refs wouldn't get to ref in Europe and international matches. That wouldn't bother me!
More importantly, you do know that Dean was a ballroom dancer when he was younger...
Braverman really ought to pull out before the next round because she's going to get zero per cent of Hunt's votes and maybe only one or two from Zahawi at best.
How much churn are we likely to see?
With Braverman and Tugendhat clearly going to be also-rans, might their backers start pondering whether to back Truss/Mordaunt to increase their chances of getting to the run-off? Or indeed, backing Sunak to try and consolidate his lead?
Truss needs to do a lot better if she's not to look like a loser.
Sorry for asking dumb questions if this has already been covered. But Is there another minimum cut off for the next round abd if so do we know what it is? Or is it just the lowest goes out now.
Just heard 40 - 50 threshold suggested on Sky by Sir Charles Walker
To me this underrates her chances, if she can overtake Truss she will be THE candidate of the right; and if she mkes the final she would beat Sunak and it would be close against Mordaunt
To me this underrates her chances, if she can overtake Truss she will be THE candidate of the right; and if she mkes the final she would beat Sunak and it would be close against Mordaunt
Totally agree. If I had loads of spare dough (which I don't) I'd be putting it all on her.
BREAKING Tom Tugendhat is in talks NOW with Jeremy Hunt about an endorsement, I am told Sources close to Tugendhat's campaign say they coudl pick up 25 of the 43 votes won by Hunt and Zahawi at the first round. Could be enough to see Tugendhat into the weekend.#ToryLeadership
The really fascinating thing would be if any of the top candidates actually go down in the next round. Maybe because they didn't do as well as expected this time.
Truss figure sneaks under radar but the main take out is how powerful the right is in this ballot. Braverman and Badenoch still there with 72! But I fear Penny can’t make it now on that result.
Badenoch: 40 Braverman: 32 Truss: 50 Zahawi:25
147
I can’t see Penny getting near that. Nor Rishi. I can see Sunak finishing second to Truss and in danger from Penny.
Grim for Conservative moderates with so many votes for the right of the party.
This Conservative leadership is election is now @PennyMordaunt's to lose - if she can get in front of Party members. @ConHome's survey earlier this week suggests she would defeat all comers at that stage.
Just finished another absurdly hot afternoon's work and if the forecasts are right, so the song has it "I ain't seen nothin' yet".
Then there were six - I wouldn't read too much into numbers. For a party which sneers at tactical voting, the parliamentarians seems able to do it in spades.
I presume the plan will be to set a higher threshold for the next ballot - say 100 (seriously, probably 50) which should get us from six to three or four.
Maybe it was the MP who's not allowed to attend Parliament due to a police investigation. They could have voted by proxy but might have decided not to.
BREAKING Tom Tugendhat is in talks NOW with Jeremy Hunt about an endorsement, I am told Sources close to Tugendhat's campaign say they coudl pick up 25 of the 43 votes won by Hunt and Zahawi at the first round. Could be enough to see Tugendhat into the weekend.#ToryLeadership
BREAKING Tom Tugendhat is in talks NOW with Jeremy Hunt about an endorsement, I am told Sources close to Tugendhat's campaign say they coudl pick up 25 of the 43 votes won by Hunt and Zahawi at the first round. Could be enough to see Tugendhat into the weekend.#ToryLeadership
Bob Stewart MP on Times Radio saying he’s backing Penny M because of her bravery. Asked for an example he says she bellyflopped a dive on the reality show Splash and then came back to dive again.
Comments
Tomorrow and over the weekend will be when candidates withdraw.
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1547251114667642881
Tom Tugendhat
@TomTugendhat
This is a fantastic result.
I’m delighted to be going through to the next round with the momentum we need to change this country for the better.
Our country needs #ACleanStart
1.78 Penny Mordaunt 56%
4.8 Rishi Sunak 20%
5.6 Liz Truss 17%
22 Kemi Badenoch 4%
44 Tom Tugendhat
150 Suella Braverman
160 Dominic Raab
With all the flaws of Sunak or Mordaunt that would not be the worst outcome. At
least with those two you feel you're cooking with gas, as the saying goes.
Mike Dean says that fans should be able to listen to referees and VARs debating decisions — and believes that the change will come in the near future.
Dean, 54, who retired from refereeing at the end of last season after 22 years in the Premier League to become a full-time VAR, believes that the clubs will get behind the idea too, especially if they can charge for the service.
“I think in three or four years it will come in and we will be able to hear what is being said between the referee and the VAR,” he told The Times.
“David Dein, when he was running Arsenal, said when headsets were introduced years ago that he wanted fans to be able to pay £5 or £10 to listen in. The clubs would go for that, if they can make money from charging for headsets to listen in, and it could be another thing for advertising.
“They have it in snooker and rugby and we will definitely see it come in in the next five years. I think it’s a good thing if you can explain your decision, but I think it should only be when the referee is talking to the VAR that you are listening in. It shouldn’t be every single thing you say.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mike-dean-let-fans-listen-to-referees-conversation-with-var-95c99tsck
The betdata chart isn’t real-time.
Sorry, I’m not being an arse for the sake of it. These threads (and comments) form a useful archive for punters for future con leadership contests.
Underperformed:
Sunak
Truss
Over performed
Mordaunt
Badenoch
More importantly, you do know that Dean was a ballroom dancer when he was younger...
Mordaunt top
Then
Sunak
Badenoch
Truss
Tugendhat last
Braverman drops out beforehand?
But can she do that?
IF she can, then Penny may need to get some MPs to switch to her from Sunak.
They should really have set a bar of 40 votes.
Rough on Tugendhat but as an ex-soldier he should understand that his duty to his country may require personal sacrifice.
If most of Braverman switches to Badenoch then Badenoch could well get ahead of Truss, resulting in a Final 3 of Sunak, Mordaunt and Badenoch.
Truss, Sunak or Badenoch?
In 2001 there was a tie for bottom so that re-voted the next day.
There's always more twist and turns in these events.
We haven't started the live tv car crash debates.
Could be a lot of MPs are hearing the same and would back up the polling. Will be interesting to see how many do switch to her.
Did Boris imply that today was likely to his last PMQs
And that there would be a vote of no Confidence on Monday.
Is he planning something that allows him to call an election on Tuesday?
Tory MPs will realise only 4 can realistically win this and will vote accordingly. Either for their preferred one of the 4 or to try and prevent one of the 4 that they don't want making the final 2.
https://twitter.com/charlotteivers/status/1547253994849959941
@jessicaelgot
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Blimey that’s a close vote between Sunak and Mordaunt and Truss - I think there’s potentially been some overestimation about how sewn up the race is for Sunak
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Not on PB there hasn't been.
With Braverman and Tugendhat clearly going to be also-rans, might their backers start pondering whether to back Truss/Mordaunt to increase their chances of getting to the run-off? Or indeed, backing Sunak to try and consolidate his lead?
Truss needs to do a lot better if she's not to look like a loser.
WTF is up with the Badenoch odds?
She is 20/1 in old money and 23 on Betfair
To me this underrates her chances, if she can overtake Truss she will be THE candidate of the right; and if she mkes the final she would beat Sunak and it would be close against Mordaunt
So real doubt over whether me makes Final 2 - even though 88 already has him fairly close (likely that 110 ish makes it in practice).
Sources close to Tugendhat's campaign say they coudl pick up 25 of the 43 votes won by Hunt and Zahawi at the first round.
Could be enough to see Tugendhat into the weekend.#ToryLeadership
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1547255770751934467
He thinks Tory MPs will do as Hunt suggests?
Bless.
Why would they when they are all enjoying a leadership race?
The Queen would deny him a dissolution in this situation anyway.
Badenoch: 40
Braverman: 32
Truss: 50
Zahawi:25
147
I can’t see Penny getting near that. Nor Rishi. I can see Sunak finishing second to Truss and in danger from Penny.
Grim for Conservative moderates with so many votes for the right of the party.
Tell me I am wrong.
https://twitter.com/PaulGoodmanCH/status/1547255440282718208
Just finished another absurdly hot afternoon's work and if the forecasts are right, so the song has it "I ain't seen nothin' yet".
Then there were six - I wouldn't read too much into numbers. For a party which sneers at tactical voting, the parliamentarians seems able to do it in spades.
I presume the plan will be to set a higher threshold for the next ballot - say 100 (seriously, probably 50) which should get us from six to three or four.
Top three next time:
Sunak
Mordaunt
Badenoch
Right will consolidate around Kemi I am thinking now.