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Right now, with one of those cylinder-shaped fan-thingies on, our living room is 27.9C. Suburban east London.0
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Leon said:
So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
Still 6-7 days away, so don’t believe until 48-72 hours is a good rule.Flatlander said:
Depends which model you believe.pigeon said:
Where and by whom? Still no worse than an (admittedly pretty horrible) 35°C on Tuesday according to what I've seen.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
GFS 12Z has 38C for Mon and Tue, with Tue being hottest in the east. Minimum Monday on night of 25C+!0 -
It was 25 degrees this morning when I woke at 6am. I then went for a run in Central Park.
Thank fuck for central heating tho.1 -
Starmer did resign with the others in 2016.JosiasJessop said:
That was a good excuse. And it was certainly a good decision for him.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Starmer hadn't served under Corbyn, he wouldn't have been able to win the leadership and then destroy the left from the inside.JosiasJessop said:
Corbyn saw himself off by being an anti-Semitic fool, and the country realising it in 2019 (and against Boris!). Starmer 'saw him off' by bravely remaining in cabinet with him.Jonathan said:
You , like a lot of people, underestimate Starmer. Against the odds he saw of Corbyn and his persistence over party gate was instrumental in seeing off Boris.CD13 said:I understand why Labour supporters are having some fun with the Tories' choices, but their last three selections didn't make hearts leap with joy.
Starmer is passibly competent when presented with an open goal but struggles otherwise. Five out of ten. Jeremy Corbyn was a joke, designed to implode at the first opportunity. Zero out of ten, and that's being kind. Ed Milliband. Couldn't eat a sausage roll on his own, and they probably mixed up his Christian name. But forever engraved on my heart for stuffing my mouth with gold by massively inflating the payments for solar panels. Just when I received my retirement lump sum. Three out of ten for that alone.
In fact, their last decent choice was Neil Kinnock.
That's not exactly 'seeing him off', is it?
Anyone sane can see that was a good decision.
But was it a good decision for the country? If Starmer has resigned with the others in 2016 or 2018, would others have resigned? Would Corbyn's position have become untenable? Would he have stood down, and Labour got a sane leader? And would that have stopped Boris having the 2019 GE, meaning that we might now have a saner government?
Then there are the moral arguments of serving in a Corbyn shadow cabinet - something I expect Labourites to throw against some of the current PM candidates if they win and served under Boris.
As to serving in Johnson's cabinet, I won't hold that against the candidates.0 -
Cameron and Osborne served in Howard's Shadow Cabinet - Johnson had the dubious honour of being sacked by both the previous Conservative leaders.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Starmer hadn't served under Corbyn, he wouldn't have been able to win the leadership and then destroy the left from the inside.JosiasJessop said:
Corbyn saw himself off by being an anti-Semitic fool, and the country realising it in 2019 (and against Boris!). Starmer 'saw him off' by bravely remaining in cabinet with him.Jonathan said:
You , like a lot of people, underestimate Starmer. Against the odds he saw of Corbyn and his persistence over party gate was instrumental in seeing off Boris.CD13 said:I understand why Labour supporters are having some fun with the Tories' choices, but their last three selections didn't make hearts leap with joy.
Starmer is passibly competent when presented with an open goal but struggles otherwise. Five out of ten. Jeremy Corbyn was a joke, designed to implode at the first opportunity. Zero out of ten, and that's being kind. Ed Milliband. Couldn't eat a sausage roll on his own, and they probably mixed up his Christian name. But forever engraved on my heart for stuffing my mouth with gold by massively inflating the payments for solar panels. Just when I received my retirement lump sum. Three out of ten for that alone.
In fact, their last decent choice was Neil Kinnock.
That's not exactly 'seeing him off', is it?
Anyone sane can see that was a good decision.0 -
Mainly fat people, though.Leon said:
One of the weather models has a forecast for 31C in south central England…. At 7am on Monday morningydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
WTF
I enjoy weather geekery and record-chasing but those night time/morning temperatures would certainly kill people. Let’s hope they are wrong
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Is there not loads of evidence for the placebo effect? Things that aren't true work only if you believe them and all that. (Like atheism works for Dawkins).JosiasJessop said:As someone who suffered years of pain that the NHS caused and utterly failed to sort out, I am going to say something controversial:
I think homeopathy is mostly rubbish, but there is a place for it. Much healing is mental, and if someone thinks it works, then it may help their mood if nothing else.
But it should be complementary, not the only 'cure' (see Steve Jobs), and it probably should not be available on the NHS, unless there is nothing else the NHS can do.
When you are in pain, and the doctors can do nothing to help you, you will try anything. (note: I did not try homeopathy, but I wish I had if it had made me *feel* better).
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Besides, that's the free market and freedom of expression.CatMan said:
Well who do you think are being sexist to women. Other women?Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You don't like it? Fine. Don't patronise the firm behind it. If you want, arrange/donate to a different campaign.
That's how this stuff is meant to work.0 -
I'm aware that Mordaunt signed an EDM in favour of homeopathy, but I've not been able to find anything else showing her support.Cyclefree said:
She believes in homeopathy.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Now that Penny Mordaunt is the front-runner, there will be a lot of MPs replaying her launch video and googling reviews of her book in order to try and work out just what is Pennyism and whether they actually support it. And they've only got till tomorrow when the next vote is due.EPG said:
Not old, not new, not Boris, not a rebel, not right, not left, NOTA.bondegezou said:
That's worked for other candidates in the past (e.g., Jim Hacker).algarkirk said:SFAICS Penny is favourite for only one reason, and that a remarkable one: she isn't one of the others.
I think Mordaunt has more going for her. She's a new face, but with some experience. She's not tied to Boris. She's not on the crazy right of the party, but isn't too far over to the left. Tory members like her back story. She can get the support of both an Andrea Leadsom and a Caroline Nokes. I can see why she's popular.
A fruitloop. Pretty. Looks good in a swimsuit. But a fruitloop. And a lying one at that.
But she may well win.
And this is the party that thinks it is moving on from Boris.......
Also...
The same day that she signed said EDM, was the first time she had tabled one herself (celebrating the 60th anniversary of Portsmouth twinning with Duisburg). Half the people that signed her EDM had signed the homeopathy one. May have been a bit of quid pro quo, and not necessarily confirm her belief in the magic healing power of sugar.1 -
12pm is meaningless. Midnight or midday? And why not do the sleeper, if you aren't?Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I'm officially scared about conditions on Tuesday - my train from Kings Cross to Inverness departs at 12pm (I return on Friday evening).
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Actually mainly older people.IshmaelZ said:
Mainly fat people, though.Leon said:
One of the weather models has a forecast for 31C in south central England…. At 7am on Monday morningydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
WTF
I enjoy weather geekery and record-chasing but those night time/morning temperatures would certainly kill people. Let’s hope they are wrong0 -
Let's go more meta, and make a thing about "right-wingers overcompensating by being obsessed by left-wing racism about right-wingers from ethnic minorities". Or we could stop the nonsense.bondegezou said:
This is a weird fantasy held by some on the Right. While there may be some Twitter lefties who say that, Labour won’t. Labour will say, “What is she doing about the cost of living? What is she doing about NHS waiting lists? What is she doing about climate change?” I’ve not seen any great answers from Kemi to those questions.MaxPB said:
Agreed. Additionally Labour will tie themselves in knots to try and denounce the Tories as racist with a black woman in power. I wonder what Uncle Tom is for women.Casino_Royale said:Badenoch gets my vote if she gets through.
Yes, she's inexperienced. And Boris and Rishi weren't? Both had done fuck all 5 years ago.
Kemi is fast, courageous, and smart, and will quickly learn on the job.
Kemi.1 -
I think saying who you served under is one of the most ridiculous arguments there is. I remember commotion about Blair having said various things about trade unions in the 80s. In power he wasn't anything to fear, clearly.0
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That surprised me. She waxed lyrical about the mountains (I told her about the Pennines, and how 'low' our highest mountain is), but she said the air quality where she had been living was dire, and the air here much better. I guess as she was a forces wife, she might have been living within 100 yards of the tailpipe of an F16...rottenborough said:
Utah doesn't have clear skies?JosiasJessop said:
You meet people everywhere, as long as you are willing to chat.Casino_Royale said:
Most of them on here.Leon said:
Go for itFrancisUrquhart said:
I have to say your adventures have got me thinking about if I could potentially make of WFH (work from h'abroad) possible for a few months of the year.Leon said:In a bayside restaurant near Tivat - the last night of my ODYSSEY
(Sob, but i hope to renew it in the autumn)
It’s big and busy. There are lots of local couples and families here. There are maybe 20 women under 30, of which half are strikingly beautiful
It really is quite a phenomenon, I’ve not seen its like, it must be some perfect storm of genes (Slavic, surely some Italian, a hint of Greek?), plus a very healthy Med diet and a climate/topography that encourages walking and swimming: everyone tans and swims in the evening
As the humble flint knapper, I merely sit and observe the world, this is a delightful corner of it
I am determined to do this as much as I can from now on; why not?
My kids are nearly grown. I positively ENJOY travelling alone - you get to do whatever you want but you also meet people on the way, new people, interesting people
I was in my local play park after school. I met a jetlagged lady who had just arrived to spend four years in the UK, having been based in Utah for the last few years. It was a fascinating conversation as our kids played:
Her initial thoughts on the UK:
*) She was terrified about driving at the moment, though she said she'd get used to it.
*) Our food prices are so much cheaper, and something about food tax.
*) People are so friendly
*) Utah was a beautiful dump. She could not wait to get out. Anywhere.
*) The skies are so clear here; no pollution. (this surprised me)
*) Rental accommodation is hard to get. Her family were AirBnB'ing for months until a rental place became available.
*) Wasn't the UK supposed to be cold?
I put her mind to rest on the latter point. The normal weather service will be resumed soon enough ...
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At least we're now being clear that the problem with Dawkins is not primarily his process, but his conclusion.algarkirk said:
Is there not loads of evidence for the placebo effect? Things that aren't true work only if you believe them and all that. (Like atheism works for Dawkins).JosiasJessop said:As someone who suffered years of pain that the NHS caused and utterly failed to sort out, I am going to say something controversial:
I think homeopathy is mostly rubbish, but there is a place for it. Much healing is mental, and if someone thinks it works, then it may help their mood if nothing else.
But it should be complementary, not the only 'cure' (see Steve Jobs), and it probably should not be available on the NHS, unless there is nothing else the NHS can do.
When you are in pain, and the doctors can do nothing to help you, you will try anything. (note: I did not try homeopathy, but I wish I had if it had made me *feel* better).0 -
I'm not saying sexist hate in football isn't a thing.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
But isn't, um, just "normal" hate also a big thing? As in footballers get and have gotten for many years (even, crazily enough, prior to social media) a ridiculous level of abuse regardless of whether it's specifically sexist, racist or homophobic? Can we not just aim to stamp out all of that, as opposed to specifically deciding some types of it are more important to stamp out than others?1 -
@CatMan
Yes, sometimes. And sometimes women are to men. Either sex can be sexist to the other. Most of the time people are not. This is virtue-signally Woke hectoring to men and it pisses me off.
It probably works in expanding EE's profile in the short term (and I've just helped) but not in the longer term.
I still don't use Gillette for pulling this shit a few years ago.4 -
I hate fucking Windows. I've now been waiting 20 minutes while it says the latest update, which I didn't authorise, is '100% complete.'
It's not even written in decent English.3 -
macOS, come over.ydoethur said:I hate fucking Windows. I've now been waiting 20 minutes while it says the latest update, which I didn't authorise, is '100% complete.'
It's not even written in decent English.0 -
What’s the problem?Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.0 -
They make good shaving cream.Casino_Royale said:@CatMan
Yes, sometimes. And sometimes women are to men. Either sex can be sexist to the other. Most of the time people are not. This is virtue-signally Woke hectoring to men and it pisses me off.
It probably works in expanding EE's profile in the short term (and I've just helped) but not in the longer term.
I still don't use Gillette for pulling this shit a few years ago.0 -
I've got a Mac as well, but this is some school stuff and I need the extra RAM in the Windows if I'm not to take all night over it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
macOS, come over.ydoethur said:I hate fucking Windows. I've now been waiting 20 minutes while it says the latest update, which I didn't authorise, is '100% complete.'
It's not even written in decent English.0 -
This is the response of someone who doesn't want the issue to be debated.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I genuinely don't know who has so much time at Waterloo to be looking at this stuff and caring about it.CatMan said:
Well who do you think are being sexist to women. Other women?Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
I'm either fed up that my train is late again, sitting in Pret eating or on a train waiting for it to leave.
I remember hearing the same on a referendum on the EU in the early 2010s from those who, err, loved federalism.1 -
I saw a very similar EE poster today, but can't remember if it was at Paddington or Liverpool Street!Casino_Royale said:@CatMan
Yes, sometimes. And sometimes women are to men. Either sex can be sexist to the other. Most of the time people are not. This is virtue-signally Woke hectoring to men and it pisses me off.
It probably works in expanding EE's profile in the short term (and I've just helped) but not in the longer term.
I still don't use Gillette for pulling this shit a few years ago.0 -
Specific calls to action are better motivators than general ones. There have been many campaigns in football over the years targeted against various specific issues. It’s not like this is the first one ever. The reason for this one now is because the Women’s Euros are on.solarflare said:
I'm not saying sexist hate in football isn't a thing.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
But isn't, um, just "normal" hate also a big thing? As in footballers get and have gotten for many years (even, crazily enough, prior to social media) a ridiculous level of abuse regardless of whether it's specifically sexist, racist or homophobic? Can we not just aim to stamp out all of that, as opposed to specifically deciding some types of it are more important to stamp out than others?0 -
Thanks, so he did, according to Wiki saying it was 'simply untenable now to suggest we can offer an effective opposition without a change of leader".". But isn't it amazing how he then spent three years as "Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union" under the same leader immediately afterwards? even when others later resigned?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Starmer did resign with the others in 2016.JosiasJessop said:
That was a good excuse. And it was certainly a good decision for him.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Starmer hadn't served under Corbyn, he wouldn't have been able to win the leadership and then destroy the left from the inside.JosiasJessop said:
Corbyn saw himself off by being an anti-Semitic fool, and the country realising it in 2019 (and against Boris!). Starmer 'saw him off' by bravely remaining in cabinet with him.Jonathan said:
You , like a lot of people, underestimate Starmer. Against the odds he saw of Corbyn and his persistence over party gate was instrumental in seeing off Boris.CD13 said:I understand why Labour supporters are having some fun with the Tories' choices, but their last three selections didn't make hearts leap with joy.
Starmer is passibly competent when presented with an open goal but struggles otherwise. Five out of ten. Jeremy Corbyn was a joke, designed to implode at the first opportunity. Zero out of ten, and that's being kind. Ed Milliband. Couldn't eat a sausage roll on his own, and they probably mixed up his Christian name. But forever engraved on my heart for stuffing my mouth with gold by massively inflating the payments for solar panels. Just when I received my retirement lump sum. Three out of ten for that alone.
In fact, their last decent choice was Neil Kinnock.
That's not exactly 'seeing him off', is it?
Anyone sane can see that was a good decision.
But was it a good decision for the country? If Starmer has resigned with the others in 2016 or 2018, would others have resigned? Would Corbyn's position have become untenable? Would he have stood down, and Labour got a sane leader? And would that have stopped Boris having the 2019 GE, meaning that we might now have a saner government?
Then there are the moral arguments of serving in a Corbyn shadow cabinet - something I expect Labourites to throw against some of the current PM candidates if they win and served under Boris.
As to serving in Johnson's cabinet, I won't hold that against the candidates.0 -
They’re not alone.ydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
https://twitter.com/DougChapmanSNP/status/1547270996541014018
Just been ejected from the HoC for not wearing a tie/jacket in the Chamber. It’s above 28C+ and a call was put out yesterday on the internal Parliament site regarding well-being during this heatwave. To cap it all, I signed and EDM on the Maximum Temperature in the Workplace.
Though some fool is proposing to spend £22bn on that…1 -
Windows is shutting down, and grammar areydoethur said:I hate fucking Windows. I've now been waiting 20 minutes while it says the latest update, which I didn't authorise, is '100% complete.'
It's not even written in decent English.
On their last leg. So what am we to do?
A letter of complaint go just so far,
Proving the only one in step are you.
Better, perhaps, to simply let it goes.
A sentence have to be screwed pretty bad
Before they gets to where you doesnt knows
The meaning what it must of meant to had.
The meteor have hit. Extinction spread,
But evolution do not stop for that.
A mutant languages rise from the dead
And all them rules is suddenly old hat.
Too bad for we, us what has had so long
The best seat from the only game in town.
But there it am, and whom can say its wrong?
Those are the break. Windows is shutting down.1 -
Well no it's just true.Casino_Royale said:
This is the response of someone who doesn't want the issue to be debated.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I genuinely don't know who has so much time at Waterloo to be looking at this stuff and caring about it.CatMan said:
Well who do you think are being sexist to women. Other women?Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
I'm either fed up that my train is late again, sitting in Pret eating or on a train waiting for it to leave.
I remember hearing the same on a referendum on the EU in the early 2010s from those who, err, loved federalism.
Can anyone hear honestly say at Waterloo they care what the advertising boards above say? You're waiting for a train to leave or in my case, probably running for a train because you left too late. My time keeping is dreadful.
Your condescending nature as usual notwithstanding.0 -
It's a lot easier to start with specifics (especially sympathetic specifics). I haven't the first clue to work out how to wipe out hate more generally - the Ludovico technique? Whereas I can imagine how to do something about sexist hate.solarflare said:
I'm not saying sexist hate in football isn't a thing.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
But isn't, um, just "normal" hate also a big thing? As in footballers get and have gotten for many years (even, crazily enough, prior to social media) a ridiculous level of abuse regardless of whether it's specifically sexist, racist or homophobic? Can we not just aim to stamp out all of that, as opposed to specifically deciding some types of it are more important to stamp out than others?
Or I look at the leadership contest. The chat about a small state is a bit general and doesn't make me ask what exactly we should be doing. (Maybe that's the point.) The arguments about women? A lot more specific, and I'd say effective in inspiring a sense that something specific should be done.0 -
There's perfectly sound second order arguments for it. In a nutshell, it's the only way you can administer a placebo these days. it's much better for people, the NHS budget and the environment to give them water rather than SSRIs for their depression, if the placebo effect is all they are getting from it anyway.FrancisUrquhart said:
Belief in homeopathy should be instant disqualification for anybody in the running for leader of a major political party.....Cyclefree said:
She believes in homeopathy.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Now that Penny Mordaunt is the front-runner, there will be a lot of MPs replaying her launch video and googling reviews of her book in order to try and work out just what is Pennyism and whether they actually support it. And they've only got till tomorrow when the next vote is due.EPG said:
Not old, not new, not Boris, not a rebel, not right, not left, NOTA.bondegezou said:
That's worked for other candidates in the past (e.g., Jim Hacker).algarkirk said:SFAICS Penny is favourite for only one reason, and that a remarkable one: she isn't one of the others.
I think Mordaunt has more going for her. She's a new face, but with some experience. She's not tied to Boris. She's not on the crazy right of the party, but isn't too far over to the left. Tory members like her back story. She can get the support of both an Andrea Leadsom and a Caroline Nokes. I can see why she's popular.
A fruitloop. Pretty. Looks good in a swimsuit. But a fruitloop. And a lying one at that.
But she may well win.
And this is the party that thinks it is moving on from Boris.......
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Strikes me that we are witnessing the rise of the No-Nonsense Women and, hopefully, the demise of entitled men.
Penny will win, while the star of the campaign is Kemi.
Not sure how poor old Labour will respond stuck, as they are, with a wooden white male lawyer.
But them's the breaks, as someone once said, a long, long time ago.
But it's a huge sea-change.0 -
Hospitals too - how will they manage?Nigelb said:
They’re not alone.ydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
https://twitter.com/DougChapmanSNP/status/1547270996541014018
Just been ejected from the HoC for not wearing a tie/jacket in the Chamber. It’s above 28C+ and a call was put out yesterday on the internal Parliament site regarding well-being during this heatwave. To cap it all, I signed and EDM on the Maximum Temperature in the Workplace.
Though some fool is proposing to spend £22bn on that…0 -
Air quality in & around Salt Lake City can be problematic depending on weatherrottenborough said:
Utah doesn't have clear skies?JosiasJessop said:
You meet people everywhere, as long as you are willing to chat.Casino_Royale said:
Most of them on here.Leon said:
Go for itFrancisUrquhart said:
I have to say your adventures have got me thinking about if I could potentially make of WFH (work from h'abroad) possible for a few months of the year.Leon said:In a bayside restaurant near Tivat - the last night of my ODYSSEY
(Sob, but i hope to renew it in the autumn)
It’s big and busy. There are lots of local couples and families here. There are maybe 20 women under 30, of which half are strikingly beautiful
It really is quite a phenomenon, I’ve not seen its like, it must be some perfect storm of genes (Slavic, surely some Italian, a hint of Greek?), plus a very healthy Med diet and a climate/topography that encourages walking and swimming: everyone tans and swims in the evening
As the humble flint knapper, I merely sit and observe the world, this is a delightful corner of it
I am determined to do this as much as I can from now on; why not?
My kids are nearly grown. I positively ENJOY travelling alone - you get to do whatever you want but you also meet people on the way, new people, interesting people
I was in my local play park after school. I met a jetlagged lady who had just arrived to spend four years in the UK, having been based in Utah for the last few years. It was a fascinating conversation as our kids played:
Her initial thoughts on the UK:
*) She was terrified about driving at the moment, though she said she'd get used to it.
*) Our food prices are so much cheaper, and something about food tax.
*) People are so friendly
*) Utah was a beautiful dump. She could not wait to get out. Anywhere.
*) The skies are so clear here; no pollution. (this surprised me)
*) Rental accommodation is hard to get. Her family were AirBnB'ing for months until a rental place became available.
*) Wasn't the UK supposed to be cold?
I put her mind to rest on the latter point. The normal weather service will be resumed soon enough ...
https://air.utah.gov/0 -
Inverness sounds like a good place to be.Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I'm officially scared about conditions on Tuesday - my train from Kings Cross to Inverness departs at 12pm (I return on Friday evening).
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As I explained to you, he wouldn't have been able to lead the party if he hadn't done that. Do you think he was right to take over and then remove Corbyn altogether, which he did?JosiasJessop said:
Thanks, so he did, according to Wiki saying it was 'simply untenable now to suggest we can offer an effective opposition without a change of leader".". But isn't it amazing how he then spent three years as "Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union" under the same leader immediately afterwards? even when others later resigned?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Starmer did resign with the others in 2016.JosiasJessop said:
That was a good excuse. And it was certainly a good decision for him.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Starmer hadn't served under Corbyn, he wouldn't have been able to win the leadership and then destroy the left from the inside.JosiasJessop said:
Corbyn saw himself off by being an anti-Semitic fool, and the country realising it in 2019 (and against Boris!). Starmer 'saw him off' by bravely remaining in cabinet with him.Jonathan said:
You , like a lot of people, underestimate Starmer. Against the odds he saw of Corbyn and his persistence over party gate was instrumental in seeing off Boris.CD13 said:I understand why Labour supporters are having some fun with the Tories' choices, but their last three selections didn't make hearts leap with joy.
Starmer is passibly competent when presented with an open goal but struggles otherwise. Five out of ten. Jeremy Corbyn was a joke, designed to implode at the first opportunity. Zero out of ten, and that's being kind. Ed Milliband. Couldn't eat a sausage roll on his own, and they probably mixed up his Christian name. But forever engraved on my heart for stuffing my mouth with gold by massively inflating the payments for solar panels. Just when I received my retirement lump sum. Three out of ten for that alone.
In fact, their last decent choice was Neil Kinnock.
That's not exactly 'seeing him off', is it?
Anyone sane can see that was a good decision.
But was it a good decision for the country? If Starmer has resigned with the others in 2016 or 2018, would others have resigned? Would Corbyn's position have become untenable? Would he have stood down, and Labour got a sane leader? And would that have stopped Boris having the 2019 GE, meaning that we might now have a saner government?
Then there are the moral arguments of serving in a Corbyn shadow cabinet - something I expect Labourites to throw against some of the current PM candidates if they win and served under Boris.
As to serving in Johnson's cabinet, I won't hold that against the candidates.0 -
Yes, the last time we had weather this hot - in 2019 - the East Coast main Line couldn't cope with the heat. I think some of the overhead lines in the Peterborough area melted and landed on top of a train, causing hours of delays and many cancellations. As I recall I was due out of Kings Cross on the 4pm train, but left early and was only a couple of hours delayed on a train leaving late in the morning. The 4pm train limped into Edinburgh Waverley at about two in the morning, six hours late.Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I'm officially scared about conditions on Tuesday - my train from Kings Cross to Inverness departs at 12pm (I return on Friday evening).
So, you might be okay with the 12 noon train, but I'd rebook to an earlier one if you can.0 -
We've got 18 tomorrow 19 Friday.Sunil_Prasannan said:Right now, with one of those cylinder-shaped fan-thingies on, our living room is 27.9C. Suburban east London.
Rainy for both.1 -
Labour will do just fine, the new leader needs to overturn a 15 point lead.Burgessian said:Strikes me that we are witnessing the rise of the No-Nonsense Women and, hopefully, the demise of entitled men.
Penny will win, while the star of the campaign is Kemi.
Not sure how poor old Labour will respond stuck, as they are, with a wooden white male lawyer.
But them's the breaks, as someone once said, a long, long time ago.
But it's a huge sea-change.0 -
Don't you see? It's vital that we debate the need to... let's see... defend sexism from the wokies?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well no it's just true.Casino_Royale said:
This is the response of someone who doesn't want the issue to be debated.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I genuinely don't know who has so much time at Waterloo to be looking at this stuff and caring about it.CatMan said:
Well who do you think are being sexist to women. Other women?Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
I'm either fed up that my train is late again, sitting in Pret eating or on a train waiting for it to leave.
I remember hearing the same on a referendum on the EU in the early 2010s from those who, err, loved federalism.
Can anyone hear honestly say at Waterloo they care what the advertising boards above say? You're waiting for a train to leave or in my case, probably running for a train because you left too late. My time keeping is dreadful.
Your condescending nature as usual notwithstanding.0 -
Suppose Mordaunt wins. She offers Sunak a Cabinet job, but it's a demotion. Does he take it?
I would have almost certainly said no, but given what ultimately happened to Hunt I think he might well do now. The King over the Water strategy doesn't seem to work.1 -
Very happy to have Penny, she seems competent, sensible and normal. That is good for the country.
I do not think she will end up being a Labour destroying machine but we will see, I am often wrong as you all know.0 -
….JosiasJessop said:
You meet people everywhere, as long as you are willing to chat.Casino_Royale said:
Most of them on here.Leon said:
Go for itFrancisUrquhart said:
I have to say your adventures have got me thinking about if I could potentially make of WFH (work from h'abroad) possible for a few months of the year.Leon said:In a bayside restaurant near Tivat - the last night of my ODYSSEY
(Sob, but i hope to renew it in the autumn)
It’s big and busy. There are lots of local couples and families here. There are maybe 20 women under 30, of which half are strikingly beautiful
It really is quite a phenomenon, I’ve not seen its like, it must be some perfect storm of genes (Slavic, surely some Italian, a hint of Greek?), plus a very healthy Med diet and a climate/topography that encourages walking and swimming: everyone tans and swims in the evening
As the humble flint knapper, I merely sit and observe the world, this is a delightful corner of it
I am determined to do this as much as I can from now on; why not?
My kids are nearly grown. I positively ENJOY travelling alone - you get to do whatever you want but you also meet people on the way, new people, interesting people
I was in my local play park after school. I met a jetlagged lady who had just arrived to spend four years in the UK, having been based in Utah for the last few years. It was a fascinating conversation as our kids played:
Her initial thoughts on the UK:
*) She was terrified about driving at the moment, though she said she'd get used to it.
*) Our food prices are so much cheaper, and something about food tax.
*) People are so friendly
*) Utah was a beautiful dump. She could not wait to get out. Anywhere.
*) The skies are so clear here; no pollution. (this surprised me)
*) Rental accommodation is hard to get. Her family were AirBnB'ing for months until a rental place became available.
*) Wasn't the UK supposed to be cold?
I put her mind to rest on the latter point. The normal weather service will be resumed soon enough ...
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As noted above, Utah has some issues re: air quality.JosiasJessop said:
That surprised me. She waxed lyrical about the mountains (I told her about the Pennines, and how 'low' our highest mountain is), but she said the air quality where she had been living was dire, and the air here much better. I guess as she was a forces wife, she might have been living within 100 yards of the tailpipe of an F16...rottenborough said:
Utah doesn't have clear skies?JosiasJessop said:
You meet people everywhere, as long as you are willing to chat.Casino_Royale said:
Most of them on here.Leon said:
Go for itFrancisUrquhart said:
I have to say your adventures have got me thinking about if I could potentially make of WFH (work from h'abroad) possible for a few months of the year.Leon said:In a bayside restaurant near Tivat - the last night of my ODYSSEY
(Sob, but i hope to renew it in the autumn)
It’s big and busy. There are lots of local couples and families here. There are maybe 20 women under 30, of which half are strikingly beautiful
It really is quite a phenomenon, I’ve not seen its like, it must be some perfect storm of genes (Slavic, surely some Italian, a hint of Greek?), plus a very healthy Med diet and a climate/topography that encourages walking and swimming: everyone tans and swims in the evening
As the humble flint knapper, I merely sit and observe the world, this is a delightful corner of it
I am determined to do this as much as I can from now on; why not?
My kids are nearly grown. I positively ENJOY travelling alone - you get to do whatever you want but you also meet people on the way, new people, interesting people
I was in my local play park after school. I met a jetlagged lady who had just arrived to spend four years in the UK, having been based in Utah for the last few years. It was a fascinating conversation as our kids played:
Her initial thoughts on the UK:
*) She was terrified about driving at the moment, though she said she'd get used to it.
*) Our food prices are so much cheaper, and something about food tax.
*) People are so friendly
*) Utah was a beautiful dump. She could not wait to get out. Anywhere.
*) The skies are so clear here; no pollution. (this surprised me)
*) Rental accommodation is hard to get. Her family were AirBnB'ing for months until a rental place became available.
*) Wasn't the UK supposed to be cold?
I put her mind to rest on the latter point. The normal weather service will be resumed soon enough ...
As for views, from SLC on clear day spectacular.
To bad that Great Salt Lake is going the way of Aral Sea and Lake Chad, due to sucking up water for over-development, exacerbated by global warming.0 -
And was that not shocking for the passengers?LostPassword said:
Yes, the last time we had weather this hot - in 2019 - the East Coast main Line couldn't cope with the heat. I think some of the overhead lines in the Peterborough area melted and landed on top of a train, causing hours of delays and many cancellations. As I recall I was due out of Kings Cross on the 4pm train, but left early and was only a couple of hours delayed on a train leaving late in the morning. The 4pm train limped into Edinburgh Waverley at about two in the morning, six hours late.Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I'm officially scared about conditions on Tuesday - my train from Kings Cross to Inverness departs at 12pm (I return on Friday evening).
So, you might be okay with the 12 noon train, but I'd rebook to an earlier one if you can.0 -
On the rental one there are now very detailed Right to Rent checks, involving a fairly complex process of identity documents. Serious offence if not carried out correctly, and it may (haven't checked) be a Civil Penalty, which means that it is the stroke of a local bureaucrats pen, and no serious Appeal process.JosiasJessop said:
That surprised me. She waxed lyrical about the mountains (I told her about the Pennines, and how 'low' our highest mountain is), but she said the air quality where she had been living was dire, and the air here much better. I guess as she was a forces wife, she might have been living within 100 yards of the tailpipe of an F16...rottenborough said:
Utah doesn't have clear skies?JosiasJessop said:
You meet people everywhere, as long as you are willing to chat.Casino_Royale said:
Most of them on here.Leon said:
Go for itFrancisUrquhart said:
I have to say your adventures have got me thinking about if I could potentially make of WFH (work from h'abroad) possible for a few months of the year.Leon said:In a bayside restaurant near Tivat - the last night of my ODYSSEY
(Sob, but i hope to renew it in the autumn)
It’s big and busy. There are lots of local couples and families here. There are maybe 20 women under 30, of which half are strikingly beautiful
It really is quite a phenomenon, I’ve not seen its like, it must be some perfect storm of genes (Slavic, surely some Italian, a hint of Greek?), plus a very healthy Med diet and a climate/topography that encourages walking and swimming: everyone tans and swims in the evening
As the humble flint knapper, I merely sit and observe the world, this is a delightful corner of it
I am determined to do this as much as I can from now on; why not?
My kids are nearly grown. I positively ENJOY travelling alone - you get to do whatever you want but you also meet people on the way, new people, interesting people
I was in my local play park after school. I met a jetlagged lady who had just arrived to spend four years in the UK, having been based in Utah for the last few years. It was a fascinating conversation as our kids played:
Her initial thoughts on the UK:
*) She was terrified about driving at the moment, though she said she'd get used to it.
*) Our food prices are so much cheaper, and something about food tax.
*) People are so friendly
*) Utah was a beautiful dump. She could not wait to get out. Anywhere.
*) The skies are so clear here; no pollution. (this surprised me)
*) Rental accommodation is hard to get. Her family were AirBnB'ing for months until a rental place became available.
*) Wasn't the UK supposed to be cold?
I put her mind to rest on the latter point. The normal weather service will be resumed soon enough ...
It's another thing mitigating in favour of long-term tenancies. The more admin that is heaped into new tenancies, the more it is worth keeping the existing T.
I'm selling a 2 bed terrace in the next couple of days - decent area and good school catchment, so it will go to a first time buyer for £115-120k, or an investor for £110-115k. The local Bairstow-Eves tells me that their normal process for such a house is 15 viewings then an accepted offer within 4 days.1 -
On the latter point, according to my limited understanding, she wants to dump Net Zero because she thinks it pointless. Not, insofar as I can tell, because she is a climate sceptic, but because penalising British industry for its contribution to the problem is pointless. She thinks that making businesses suffer the consequences of green policies does nothing to cut emissions, but simply offshores them to less fussy jurisdictions.bondegezou said:
This is a weird fantasy held by some on the Right. While there may be some Twitter lefties who say that, Labour won’t. Labour will say, “What is she doing about the cost of living? What is she doing about NHS waiting lists? What is she doing about climate change?” I’ve not seen any great answers from Kemi to those questions.MaxPB said:
Agreed. Additionally Labour will tie themselves in knots to try and denounce the Tories as racist with a black woman in power. I wonder what Uncle Tom is for women.Casino_Royale said:Badenoch gets my vote if she gets through.
Yes, she's inexperienced. And Boris and Rishi weren't? Both had done fuck all 5 years ago.
Kemi is fast, courageous, and smart, and will quickly learn on the job.
Kemi.
This strikes one as fundamentally wrong-headed on two grounds: firstly, that we have a really serious global problem with a warming climate, which can hardly be fixed without input from those less fussy jurisdictions who will, in turn, resent being asked to help solve the problem if the likes of the UK cannot be arsed; and secondly, that energy security has been revealed to be critical in any case, and that this makes much of the case for decarbonisation in and of itself. Crudely put, green crap may be a nuisance that both Badenoch and many businesses would like to wish away, but it's considerably less inconvenient than electricity that's either ruinously expensive or unavailable at any price.5 -
Just feel glad you aren't using the initial Chinese version of Windows 95. The one that MS got a Taiwanese company to do the translations for.ydoethur said:I hate fucking Windows. I've now been waiting 20 minutes while it says the latest update, which I didn't authorise, is '100% complete.'
It's not even written in decent English.
As you might imagine, the translations were (ahem) not necessarily complementary to the Chinese government. The PRC don't like being called 'Communist bandits' ...1 -
My very warm cat is snuggling against me. Too warm.0
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People forget with Penny Morduant that she has been a minister in several departments since 2014. In this time she had not one single achievement of note, while being responsible for a number of moderate gaffes.
However ... in an election you only need to be better than the others. She is no more incompetent than the alternatives, while being less dishonest than most. She is personable, which should help in campaigning. On that basis she is probably the best of a dire bunch.0 -
No. Goose. Gander. And as I made clear above, rubbishy books are writtenEPG said:
At least we're now being clear that the problem with Dawkins is not primarily his process, but his conclusion.algarkirk said:
Is there not loads of evidence for the placebo effect? Things that aren't true work only if you believe them and all that. (Like atheism works for Dawkins).JosiasJessop said:As someone who suffered years of pain that the NHS caused and utterly failed to sort out, I am going to say something controversial:
I think homeopathy is mostly rubbish, but there is a place for it. Much healing is mental, and if someone thinks it works, then it may help their mood if nothing else.
But it should be complementary, not the only 'cure' (see Steve Jobs), and it probably should not be available on the NHS, unless there is nothing else the NHS can do.
When you are in pain, and the doctors can do nothing to help you, you will try anything. (note: I did not try homeopathy, but I wish I had if it had made me *feel* better).
on all sides of the theism debate, Dawkins among them. On the atheism side J L Mackie stands out as excellent, as are the outstanding Hume dialogues, but a good number of others also.
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Someone else would have been able to lead the party, though, which means Starmer put personal ambition above principle. Or are you saying that there was no other candidate for leader - or that the Labour party would not have elected those candidates - who would have been willing to withdraw the whip from Corbyn after he followed the party's worst results since the thirties by saying that accusations of antisemitism were overstated?CorrectHorseBattery said:
As I explained to you, he wouldn't have been able to lead the party if he hadn't done that. Do you think he was right to take over and then remove Corbyn altogether, which he did?JosiasJessop said:
Thanks, so he did, according to Wiki saying it was 'simply untenable now to suggest we can offer an effective opposition without a change of leader".". But isn't it amazing how he then spent three years as "Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union" under the same leader immediately afterwards? even when others later resigned?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Starmer did resign with the others in 2016.JosiasJessop said:
That was a good excuse. And it was certainly a good decision for him.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Starmer hadn't served under Corbyn, he wouldn't have been able to win the leadership and then destroy the left from the inside.JosiasJessop said:
Corbyn saw himself off by being an anti-Semitic fool, and the country realising it in 2019 (and against Boris!). Starmer 'saw him off' by bravely remaining in cabinet with him.Jonathan said:
You , like a lot of people, underestimate Starmer. Against the odds he saw of Corbyn and his persistence over party gate was instrumental in seeing off Boris.CD13 said:I understand why Labour supporters are having some fun with the Tories' choices, but their last three selections didn't make hearts leap with joy.
Starmer is passibly competent when presented with an open goal but struggles otherwise. Five out of ten. Jeremy Corbyn was a joke, designed to implode at the first opportunity. Zero out of ten, and that's being kind. Ed Milliband. Couldn't eat a sausage roll on his own, and they probably mixed up his Christian name. But forever engraved on my heart for stuffing my mouth with gold by massively inflating the payments for solar panels. Just when I received my retirement lump sum. Three out of ten for that alone.
In fact, their last decent choice was Neil Kinnock.
That's not exactly 'seeing him off', is it?
Anyone sane can see that was a good decision.
But was it a good decision for the country? If Starmer has resigned with the others in 2016 or 2018, would others have resigned? Would Corbyn's position have become untenable? Would he have stood down, and Labour got a sane leader? And would that have stopped Boris having the 2019 GE, meaning that we might now have a saner government?
Then there are the moral arguments of serving in a Corbyn shadow cabinet - something I expect Labourites to throw against some of the current PM candidates if they win and served under Boris.
As to serving in Johnson's cabinet, I won't hold that against the candidates.1 -
12pm has always meant midday, actually.IshmaelZ said:
12pm is meaningless. Midnight or midday? And why not do the sleeper, if you aren't?Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I'm officially scared about conditions on Tuesday - my train from Kings Cross to Inverness departs at 12pm (I return on Friday evening).
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Make a calendar reminder: the second Tuesday in each month is Patch Tuesday when Microsoft and some other vendors release updates, often big ones that take a fair while to download and install, and then need a reboot. Owing to the time difference, it can be Wednesday before we get them, so make a second calendar reminder for the day after the second Tuesday. Then at least you will be prepared for this sort of thing and can take precautions.ydoethur said:I hate fucking Windows. I've now been waiting 20 minutes while it says the latest update, which I didn't authorise, is '100% complete.'
It's not even written in decent English.2 -
Who? Can you name anyone?Chelyabinsk said:
Someone else would have been able to lead the party, though, which means Starmer put personal ambition above principle. Or are you saying that there was no other candidate for leader - or that the Labour party would not have elected those candidates - who would have been willing to withdraw the whip from Corbyn after he said that accusations of antisemitism were overstated?CorrectHorseBattery said:
As I explained to you, he wouldn't have been able to lead the party if he hadn't done that. Do you think he was right to take over and then remove Corbyn altogether, which he did?JosiasJessop said:
Thanks, so he did, according to Wiki saying it was 'simply untenable now to suggest we can offer an effective opposition without a change of leader".". But isn't it amazing how he then spent three years as "Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union" under the same leader immediately afterwards? even when others later resigned?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Starmer did resign with the others in 2016.JosiasJessop said:
That was a good excuse. And it was certainly a good decision for him.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Starmer hadn't served under Corbyn, he wouldn't have been able to win the leadership and then destroy the left from the inside.JosiasJessop said:
Corbyn saw himself off by being an anti-Semitic fool, and the country realising it in 2019 (and against Boris!). Starmer 'saw him off' by bravely remaining in cabinet with him.Jonathan said:
You , like a lot of people, underestimate Starmer. Against the odds he saw of Corbyn and his persistence over party gate was instrumental in seeing off Boris.CD13 said:I understand why Labour supporters are having some fun with the Tories' choices, but their last three selections didn't make hearts leap with joy.
Starmer is passibly competent when presented with an open goal but struggles otherwise. Five out of ten. Jeremy Corbyn was a joke, designed to implode at the first opportunity. Zero out of ten, and that's being kind. Ed Milliband. Couldn't eat a sausage roll on his own, and they probably mixed up his Christian name. But forever engraved on my heart for stuffing my mouth with gold by massively inflating the payments for solar panels. Just when I received my retirement lump sum. Three out of ten for that alone.
In fact, their last decent choice was Neil Kinnock.
That's not exactly 'seeing him off', is it?
Anyone sane can see that was a good decision.
But was it a good decision for the country? If Starmer has resigned with the others in 2016 or 2018, would others have resigned? Would Corbyn's position have become untenable? Would he have stood down, and Labour got a sane leader? And would that have stopped Boris having the 2019 GE, meaning that we might now have a saner government?
Then there are the moral arguments of serving in a Corbyn shadow cabinet - something I expect Labourites to throw against some of the current PM candidates if they win and served under Boris.
As to serving in Johnson's cabinet, I won't hold that against the candidates.
We had RLB, Laura Pidcock, Angela Rayner in the running.
I don't think any other candidate would have done what Starmer did - and that's because he uniquely got the Corbyn wing on side.0 -
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.5 -
Yes.Leon said:
One of the weather models has a forecast for 31C in south central England…. At 7am on Monday morningydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
WTF
I enjoy weather geekery and record-chasing but those night time/morning temperatures would certainly kill people. Let’s hope they are wrong
From my POV the biggest problem with this heatwave is it’s sheer longevity. I was up north at the weekend, walking, and it was perfect on the hills, 23c and clear. I got back down here and it
has been 30c+ frequently and has only briefly dropped below 20c in the middle of the bloody nights. I have been trying to work and sleep in high temperatures with no relief, even in the evenings. And it’s going to get hotter.
Grim.
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He should have had principles. He evidently had them enough to resign in 2016; but they vanished soon enough.CorrectHorseBattery said:
As I explained to you, he wouldn't have been able to lead the party if he hadn't done that. Do you think he was right to take over and then remove Corbyn altogether, which he did?JosiasJessop said:
Thanks, so he did, according to Wiki saying it was 'simply untenable now to suggest we can offer an effective opposition without a change of leader".". But isn't it amazing how he then spent three years as "Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union" under the same leader immediately afterwards? even when others later resigned?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Starmer did resign with the others in 2016.JosiasJessop said:
That was a good excuse. And it was certainly a good decision for him.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Starmer hadn't served under Corbyn, he wouldn't have been able to win the leadership and then destroy the left from the inside.JosiasJessop said:
Corbyn saw himself off by being an anti-Semitic fool, and the country realising it in 2019 (and against Boris!). Starmer 'saw him off' by bravely remaining in cabinet with him.Jonathan said:
You , like a lot of people, underestimate Starmer. Against the odds he saw of Corbyn and his persistence over party gate was instrumental in seeing off Boris.CD13 said:I understand why Labour supporters are having some fun with the Tories' choices, but their last three selections didn't make hearts leap with joy.
Starmer is passibly competent when presented with an open goal but struggles otherwise. Five out of ten. Jeremy Corbyn was a joke, designed to implode at the first opportunity. Zero out of ten, and that's being kind. Ed Milliband. Couldn't eat a sausage roll on his own, and they probably mixed up his Christian name. But forever engraved on my heart for stuffing my mouth with gold by massively inflating the payments for solar panels. Just when I received my retirement lump sum. Three out of ten for that alone.
In fact, their last decent choice was Neil Kinnock.
That's not exactly 'seeing him off', is it?
Anyone sane can see that was a good decision.
But was it a good decision for the country? If Starmer has resigned with the others in 2016 or 2018, would others have resigned? Would Corbyn's position have become untenable? Would he have stood down, and Labour got a sane leader? And would that have stopped Boris having the 2019 GE, meaning that we might now have a saner government?
Then there are the moral arguments of serving in a Corbyn shadow cabinet - something I expect Labourites to throw against some of the current PM candidates if they win and served under Boris.
As to serving in Johnson's cabinet, I won't hold that against the candidates.
He was right to take over - but that only happened because Corbyn lost an election badly. Unless you are saying that Starmer contributed to that loss by staying in position? 0 -
Unfortunately, it's probably easier than that. If they can reduce it to a 5% deficit prior to a campaign, then Labour yet again will get asked awkward questions about the SNP. Sturgeon's plan to hijack the election and turn it into plebiscite on indy will ensure that.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour will do just fine, the new leader needs to overturn a 15 point lead.Burgessian said:Strikes me that we are witnessing the rise of the No-Nonsense Women and, hopefully, the demise of entitled men.
Penny will win, while the star of the campaign is Kemi.
Not sure how poor old Labour will respond stuck, as they are, with a wooden white male lawyer.
But them's the breaks, as someone once said, a long, long time ago.
But it's a huge sea-change.
Mind you, Labour do seem better prepared for that attack line than Ed was.0 -
Totalitarian? To have a poster suggesting that men could do something about stopping sexist hate? It’s not exactly Kristallnacht.darkage said:
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.
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BIG BROTHER IS JUDGING YOUdarkage said:
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.
Everywhere. I loathe it
If I move out of the UK, and that looks increasingly possible, Woke will be a major reason5 -
Oh I see. “They won’t do that, because I have in my hand a piece of paper…”StillWaters said:
How sweet that you still trust the Tories 😂MoonRabbit said:
They have all signed a “won’t drop out of in final 2” clause at the 22 havn’t they?IanB2 said:
Keeping it away from the batshit membership and getting rid of the clown a month early; what’s not to like?HYUFD said:
Unless it is Sunak v Mordaunt, in which case Sunak may drop out in return for a Cabinet post given members polls show Mordaunt trouncing him, the ERG will ensure it goes to the members as their candidate would also beat Sunak and has more of a chance v Mordaunt then Rishi doesmoonshine said:
What’s the chances of a grand Stop Truss coronation after tomorrows vote? Tommy Tug falls behind PM in exchange for foreign sec. Rishi realises he isn’t going to win and just wants hisHYUFD said:
Truss and Mordaunt, just. However could be Sunak v Mordaunt if not all Badenoch andmoonshine said:
Setting aside your own preference, who do you see making the final 2 now?HYUFD said:
Different to 2001 though as Tugendhat is closest to Clarke ideologically of those left, Sunak and Mordaunt could be seen as closest to Portillo, Badenoch, Truss and Braverman closest to IDSstodge said:
Are you suggesting therefore there are three roughly equal "factions" within the Parliamentary Party - supporters of Sunak, supporters of Mordaunt and supporters of the best placed "right" candidate?HYUFD said:Truss, Badenoch and Braverman combined came to 122 votes, just over 1/3 of Tory MPs. So if they all combined behind one of them they would get a candidate in the final 2. However if the supporters of any of the 3 go to Sunak or Mordaunt that no longer applies and the Right’s candidate gets knocked out.
So they cannot afford any leakage, unless Zahawi’s support mainly goes to that block not Sunak and Mordaunt
This seems reminiscent of 2001 when it was alleged some MPs voted tactically to ensure Portillo wouldn't make it through to the membership voting which opened the door for Iain Duncan Smith to face and defeat Clarke.
I begin to wonder whether Sunak might end up the Portillo of this leadership election.
of the last 6 remaining
Braverman votes transfer to Truss
old job back. Kemi bought off with Home Sec,
which might be Gove’s plan for her all along. Or are we sure this is really going to Members…?1 -
They must must must hammer home that they will not deal with the SNP.RandallFlagg said:
Unfortunately, it's probably easier than that. If they can reduce it to a 5% deficit prior to a campaign, then Labour yet again will get asked awkward questions about the SNP. Sturgeon's plan to hijack the election and turn it into plebiscite on indy will ensure that.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour will do just fine, the new leader needs to overturn a 15 point lead.Burgessian said:Strikes me that we are witnessing the rise of the No-Nonsense Women and, hopefully, the demise of entitled men.
Penny will win, while the star of the campaign is Kemi.
Not sure how poor old Labour will respond stuck, as they are, with a wooden white male lawyer.
But them's the breaks, as someone once said, a long, long time ago.
But it's a huge sea-change.
Mind you, Labour do seem better prepared for that attack line than Ed was.
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Grim darn sarf.Anabobazina said:
Yes.Leon said:
One of the weather models has a forecast for 31C in south central England…. At 7am on Monday morningydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
WTF
I enjoy weather geekery and record-chasing but those night time/morning temperatures would certainly kill people. Let’s hope they are wrong
From my POV the biggest problem with this heatwave is it’s sheer longevity. I was up north at the weekend, walking, and it was perfect on the hills, 23c and clear. I got back down here and it
has been 30c+ frequently and has only briefly dropped below 20c in the middle of the bloody nights. I have been trying to work and sleep in high temperatures with no relief, even in the evenings. And it’s going to get hotter.
Grim.
Perfect up north.
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Condescending = disagreeing with you.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well no it's just true.Casino_Royale said:
This is the response of someone who doesn't want the issue to be debated.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I genuinely don't know who has so much time at Waterloo to be looking at this stuff and caring about it.CatMan said:
Well who do you think are being sexist to women. Other women?Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
I'm either fed up that my train is late again, sitting in Pret eating or on a train waiting for it to leave.
I remember hearing the same on a referendum on the EU in the early 2010s from those who, err, loved federalism.
Can anyone hear honestly say at Waterloo they care what the advertising boards above say? You're waiting for a train to leave or in my case, probably running for a train because you left too late. My time keeping is dreadful.
Your condescending nature as usual notwithstanding.
This winds up lots of people.
They say so in private when they know I'm on their side. They dare not in public.1 -
No it's not disagreeing, it's how you structure your posts. I told you this yesterday.Casino_Royale said:
Condescending = disagreeing with you.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well no it's just true.Casino_Royale said:
This is the response of someone who doesn't want the issue to be debated.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I genuinely don't know who has so much time at Waterloo to be looking at this stuff and caring about it.CatMan said:
Well who do you think are being sexist to women. Other women?Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
I'm either fed up that my train is late again, sitting in Pret eating or on a train waiting for it to leave.
I remember hearing the same on a referendum on the EU in the early 2010s from those who, err, loved federalism.
Can anyone hear honestly say at Waterloo they care what the advertising boards above say? You're waiting for a train to leave or in my case, probably running for a train because you left too late. My time keeping is dreadful.
Your condescending nature as usual notwithstanding.
This winds up lots of people.
They say so in private when they know I'm on their side. They dare not in public.
You talk to me like I'm stupid, like I am dirt on your shoe. You told me to go away and read something and them come back and tell you what it said. I am not five years old.
Treat me with respect like I do you. Or we're done. Last chance.1 -
Surely it was Starmer, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips, Emily Thornberry and Clive Lewis?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who? Can you name anyone?Chelyabinsk said:
Someone else would have been able to lead the party, though, which means Starmer put personal ambition above principle. Or are you saying that there was no other candidate for leader - or that the Labour party would not have elected those candidates - who would have been willing to withdraw the whip from Corbyn after he said that accusations of antisemitism were overstated?CorrectHorseBattery said:
As I explained to you, he wouldn't have been able to lead the party if he hadn't done that. Do you think he was right to take over and then remove Corbyn altogether, which he did?JosiasJessop said:
Thanks, so he did, according to Wiki saying it was 'simply untenable now to suggest we can offer an effective opposition without a change of leader".". But isn't it amazing how he then spent three years as "Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union" under the same leader immediately afterwards? even when others later resigned?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Starmer did resign with the others in 2016.JosiasJessop said:
That was a good excuse. And it was certainly a good decision for him.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Starmer hadn't served under Corbyn, he wouldn't have been able to win the leadership and then destroy the left from the inside.JosiasJessop said:
Corbyn saw himself off by being an anti-Semitic fool, and the country realising it in 2019 (and against Boris!). Starmer 'saw him off' by bravely remaining in cabinet with him.Jonathan said:
You , like a lot of people, underestimate Starmer. Against the odds he saw of Corbyn and his persistence over party gate was instrumental in seeing off Boris.CD13 said:I understand why Labour supporters are having some fun with the Tories' choices, but their last three selections didn't make hearts leap with joy.
Starmer is passibly competent when presented with an open goal but struggles otherwise. Five out of ten. Jeremy Corbyn was a joke, designed to implode at the first opportunity. Zero out of ten, and that's being kind. Ed Milliband. Couldn't eat a sausage roll on his own, and they probably mixed up his Christian name. But forever engraved on my heart for stuffing my mouth with gold by massively inflating the payments for solar panels. Just when I received my retirement lump sum. Three out of ten for that alone.
In fact, their last decent choice was Neil Kinnock.
That's not exactly 'seeing him off', is it?
Anyone sane can see that was a good decision.
But was it a good decision for the country? If Starmer has resigned with the others in 2016 or 2018, would others have resigned? Would Corbyn's position have become untenable? Would he have stood down, and Labour got a sane leader? And would that have stopped Boris having the 2019 GE, meaning that we might now have a saner government?
Then there are the moral arguments of serving in a Corbyn shadow cabinet - something I expect Labourites to throw against some of the current PM candidates if they win and served under Boris.
As to serving in Johnson's cabinet, I won't hold that against the candidates.
We had RLB, Laura Pidcock, Angela Rayner in the running.
I don't think any other candidate would have done what Starmer did - and that's because he uniquely got the Corbyn wing on side.0 -
The best place to be on Tuesday in London is on the air-conditioned Elizabeth Line.Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I'm officially scared about conditions on Tuesday - my train from Kings Cross to Inverness departs at 12pm (I return on Friday evening).
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You keep droning on like this, but beyond the weirdo plains of Twitter (where you can find anyone who will say anything about anything) where are these lefties which you deem racist? I suspect it’s very possible you are imagining them.Casino_Royale said:
If you want to see racism, look at the Left’s reaction to someone from an ethnic minority expressing conservative views.MaxPB said:
Agreed. Additionally Labour will tie themselves in knots to try and denounce the Tories as racist with a black woman in power. I wonder what Uncle Tom is for women.Casino_Royale said:Badenoch gets my vote if she gets through.
Yes, she's inexperienced. And Boris and Rishi weren't? Both had done fuck all 5 years ago.
Kemi is fast, courageous, and smart, and will quickly learn on the job.
Kemi.2 -
I don't want to be hectored by a corporation on what I need to do as a man on my way to work and home again. It's sanctimonious and patronising.bondegezou said:
Totalitarian? To have a poster suggesting that men could do something about stopping sexist hate? It’s not exactly Kristallnacht.darkage said:
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.
The reason no-one says anything is they know the response would be: "if people don't want to buy a contract from an inclusive phone company then they are welcome to shop elsewhere".
So, people ignore it. And quietly simmer.
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https://news.sky.com/story/penny-mordaunt-on-course-to-be-next-pm-if-she-reaches-final-round-of-tory-leadership-race-poll-finds-12651296
Penny Mordaunt is on course to become prime minister if she reaches the final two candidates to succeed Boris Johnson, a new YouGov poll reveals.
The survey of 879 Conservative Party members conducted last night and today suggests the former defence secretary, who launched her campaign this morning, wins by a huge margin against all other contenders.
The poll is bad news for Mr Sunak, the frontrunner among MPs, as he loses to all candidates apart from Nadhim Zahawi.
Ms Mordaunt beats the former chancellor, who has the most declared MP backers at 50.0 -
Did someone say it's posted by EE? If so, and you don't like it, don't buy anything from EE.darkage said:
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.0 -
On Monday, for completely different reasons, the 1200 WAS delayed by very nearly six hours! Luckily I'm staying in the city centre!LostPassword said:
Yes, the last time we had weather this hot - in 2019 - the East Coast main Line couldn't cope with the heat. I think some of the overhead lines in the Peterborough area melted and landed on top of a train, causing hours of delays and many cancellations. As I recall I was due out of Kings Cross on the 4pm train, but left early and was only a couple of hours delayed on a train leaving late in the morning. The 4pm train limped into Edinburgh Waverley at about two in the morning, six hours late.Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I'm officially scared about conditions on Tuesday - my train from Kings Cross to Inverness departs at 12pm (I return on Friday evening).
So, you might be okay with the 12 noon train, but I'd rebook to an earlier one if you can.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L77648/2022-07-110 -
Bye!Leon said:
BIG BROTHER IS JUDGING YOUdarkage said:
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.
Everywhere. I loathe it
If I move out of the UK, and that looks increasingly possible, Woke will be a major reason0 -
I blame 12 years of Tory government.Leon said:
BIG BROTHER IS JUDGING YOUdarkage said:
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.
Everywhere. I loathe it
If I move out of the UK, and that looks increasingly possible, Woke will be a major reason4 -
The leave Parliament in a huff strategy, because you didn't get the top job, has worked quite well for a number of ex-politicians though: Osborne, D. Miliband, Tristram Hunt, etc.RandallFlagg said:Suppose Mordaunt wins. She offers Sunak a Cabinet job, but it's a demotion. Does he take it?
I would have almost certainly said no, but given what ultimately happened to Hunt I think he might well do now. The King over the Water strategy doesn't seem to work.0 -
He's had a meteoric rise in politics, a Chancellor before he was 40, and is richer than God - if he doesn't think he will remain at the top table will he stick around beyond the next election?RandallFlagg said:Suppose Mordaunt wins. She offers Sunak a Cabinet job, but it's a demotion. Does he take it?
I would have almost certainly said no, but given what ultimately happened to Hunt I think he might well do now. The King over the Water strategy doesn't seem to work.
I cannot see another winner offering him the same job, they'll want an ally there, but if he's sensible he'd take a meaty mid level Cabinet position.
If they offer you DCMS you know they want to humiliate you. If they offer you Northern Ireland, you know they hate you.1 -
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Mordaunt has the momentum now, Sunak is screwed.
Go heavily on Mordaunt.0 -
Surely you could have left when political correctness had gone mad?Leon said:
BIG BROTHER IS JUDGING YOUdarkage said:
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.
Everywhere. I loathe it
If I move out of the UK, and that looks increasingly possible, Woke will be a major reason
Why wait for Woke?1 -
100% with the MP on this topic. Quite apart from the fact that making people boil to death for the sake of observing Edwardian period etiquette isn't really on, these dress codes are ludicrously sexist.Nigelb said:
They’re not alone.ydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
https://twitter.com/DougChapmanSNP/status/1547270996541014018
Just been ejected from the HoC for not wearing a tie/jacket in the Chamber. It’s above 28C+ and a call was put out yesterday on the internal Parliament site regarding well-being during this heatwave. To cap it all, I signed and EDM on the Maximum Temperature in the Workplace.
Though some fool is proposing to spend £22bn on that…0 -
12 years of Tory mis-rule.Leon said:
BIG BROTHER IS JUDGING YOUdarkage said:
It is strangely totalitarian.Casino_Royale said:Woke isn't a thing. It's all made up. Massively exaggerated etc.
Tonight's hectoring at Waterloo station - taken on my phone.
You find yourself starting to criticise it (ie: is 'sexist hate' really only a male phenomenon?), but then you realise that the act of criticism is defined as an act of denial or oppression, so whatever you try and do, you can't win.
The only viable solution is actually just to shrug your shoulders and ignore it.
Everywhere. I loathe it
If I move out of the UK, and that looks increasingly possible, Woke will be a major reason2 -
An updated statement would be interesting. She'll need to, as at some point that will become mud to sling.BlancheLivermore said:
I'm aware that Mordaunt signed an EDM in favour of homeopathy, but I've not been able to find anything else showing her support.Cyclefree said:
She believes in homeopathy.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Now that Penny Mordaunt is the front-runner, there will be a lot of MPs replaying her launch video and googling reviews of her book in order to try and work out just what is Pennyism and whether they actually support it. And they've only got till tomorrow when the next vote is due.EPG said:
Not old, not new, not Boris, not a rebel, not right, not left, NOTA.bondegezou said:
That's worked for other candidates in the past (e.g., Jim Hacker).algarkirk said:SFAICS Penny is favourite for only one reason, and that a remarkable one: she isn't one of the others.
I think Mordaunt has more going for her. She's a new face, but with some experience. She's not tied to Boris. She's not on the crazy right of the party, but isn't too far over to the left. Tory members like her back story. She can get the support of both an Andrea Leadsom and a Caroline Nokes. I can see why she's popular.
A fruitloop. Pretty. Looks good in a swimsuit. But a fruitloop. And a lying one at that.
But she may well win.
And this is the party that thinks it is moving on from Boris.......
Also...
The same day that she signed said EDM, was the first time she had tabled one herself (celebrating the 60th anniversary of Portsmouth twinning with Duisburg). Half the people that signed her EDM had signed the homeopathy one. May have been a bit of quid pro quo, and not necessarily confirm her belief in the magic healing power of sugar.
An interesting list of 'supporters'. Includes Margaret Hodge, Luciana Burger, Glyn Davis, Robert Halfon and Keith Vaz. Plus a collection of Socialist Campaign Group types, but no Jeremy Corbyn.
In 2019 France spent 620m on it, a third from Social Security - but now they have followed us and stopped Govt money going on it.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/france-stops-funding-homeopathy-wxtrp6dnv1 -
You cannot fight Windows, ydoethur. Give it a few decades and if the big four have their way you'd be blacklisted for that kind of talk against them.ydoethur said:I hate fucking Windows. I've now been waiting 20 minutes while it says the latest update, which I didn't authorise, is '100% complete.'
It's not even written in decent English.0 -
In the Tory leaderships races of 1997, 2001 and 2005 the person who came second in the first ballot won. (Hague, IDS, Cameron). Stat via @DominicPenna0
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Tonight at 1922 hustings I asked every candidate the same question- will they commit to maintaining our legislative commitment to net zero by 2050. Organising CEN MP caucus hustings for Mon morning as well- keen to keep environment and climate change on the agenda in the contest
On the target:
Yes to Net Zero 2050: Rishi, Penny, Liz
Move Net Zero target back: Suella, Tom T
Change concept of target to be more accountable/delivery plan: Kemi
Penny and Liz would also suspend green levies
Go Penny!0 -
Jeremy Hunt says he is backing Rishi Sunak in the Conservative Party leadership contest, after going out in the first round of voting today
For more on this and other news visit
Big news1 -
You never watched Yes Minister?boulay said:One thing that always strikes me/annoys me is that we have potential PMs on this list who we think we know - Sunak and Truss - and don’t know, Kemi, Penny (use of first names as couldn’t be bothered to type them realised this explanation took longer to type).
All of them however have been subservient. They have either been subservient to things like cabinet responsibility, youth, not wanting to scare the horses on their way up, their local electorate.
We can try and judge them by what they have said or done in the past but actually nobody knows what they will do when unshackled and they have control.
It’s easy to criticise these people for what they have said, how they have voted, policies but they have never had the freedom to say “bollocks to that, I want it done this way”.
So Penny might fuck up the trans thing whilst an MP because she’s treading a fine line with where her superiors say she needs to walk, Sunak makes policies on spending but his boss wants different things so he can’t do what he really would if in charge, Keli hasn’t had the ability to break free and Truss has to go with what her programmers input.
Whoever wins it will be very interesting to see if they really can break free and do something different or if there is some weird inertia that never allows politicians to be radical.
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Of all the shitty things going in with the world that seems a strange thing to be getting wound up about. ymmv0
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Surprised you didn't come across a body - I think approximately 200 episodes of Law and Order have started that exact same way.Gardenwalker said:It was 25 degrees this morning when I woke at 6am. I then went for a run in Central Park.
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If you're going to quote from a tweet or similar please at least include an attribution, or better still a link, so that we know it's not just you saying this.CorrectHorseBattery said:Tonight at 1922 hustings I asked every candidate the same question- will they commit to maintaining our legislative commitment to net zero by 2050. Organising CEN MP caucus hustings for Mon morning as well- keen to keep environment and climate change on the agenda in the contest
On the target:
Yes to Net Zero 2050: Rishi, Penny, Liz
Move Net Zero target back: Suella, Tom T
Change concept of target to be more accountable/delivery plan: Kemi
Penny and Liz would also suspend green levies
Go Penny!1 -
Haven't you previously said that the reason people move to London is because the weather is better down south?Anabobazina said:
Yes.Leon said:
One of the weather models has a forecast for 31C in south central England…. At 7am on Monday morningydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
WTF
I enjoy weather geekery and record-chasing but those night time/morning temperatures would certainly kill people. Let’s hope they are wrong
From my POV the biggest problem with this heatwave is it’s sheer longevity. I was up north at the weekend, walking, and it was perfect on the hills, 23c and clear. I got back down here and it
has been 30c+ frequently and has only briefly dropped below 20c in the middle of the bloody nights. I have been trying to work and sleep in high temperatures with no relief, even in the evenings. And it’s going to get hotter.
Grim.0 -
Tonight at 1922 hustings I asked every candidate the same question- will they commit to maintaining our legislative commitment to net zero by 2050. Organising CEN MP caucus hustings for Mon morning as well- keen to keep environment and climate change on the agenda in the contest
https://twitter.com/CSkidmoreUK/status/1547302977815322625
On the target:
Yes to Net Zero 2050: Rishi, Penny, Liz
Move Net Zero target back: Suella, Tom T
Change concept of target to be more accountable/delivery plan: Kemi
Penny and Liz would also suspend green levies
https://twitter.com/CSkidmoreUK/status/1547305522617110528
Go Penny!0 -
All fair points well made but as this is pedantic betting: Isn’t homeopathy water rather than sugar?BlancheLivermore said:
I'm aware that Mordaunt signed an EDM in favour of homeopathy, but I've not been able to find anything else showing her support.Cyclefree said:
She believes in homeopathy.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Now that Penny Mordaunt is the front-runner, there will be a lot of MPs replaying her launch video and googling reviews of her book in order to try and work out just what is Pennyism and whether they actually support it. And they've only got till tomorrow when the next vote is due.EPG said:
Not old, not new, not Boris, not a rebel, not right, not left, NOTA.bondegezou said:
That's worked for other candidates in the past (e.g., Jim Hacker).algarkirk said:SFAICS Penny is favourite for only one reason, and that a remarkable one: she isn't one of the others.
I think Mordaunt has more going for her. She's a new face, but with some experience. She's not tied to Boris. She's not on the crazy right of the party, but isn't too far over to the left. Tory members like her back story. She can get the support of both an Andrea Leadsom and a Caroline Nokes. I can see why she's popular.
A fruitloop. Pretty. Looks good in a swimsuit. But a fruitloop. And a lying one at that.
But she may well win.
And this is the party that thinks it is moving on from Boris.......
Also...
The same day that she signed said EDM, was the first time she had tabled one herself (celebrating the 60th anniversary of Portsmouth twinning with Duisburg). Half the people that signed
her EDM had signed the homeopathy one. May have been a bit of quid pro quo, and not
necessarily confirm her belief in the magic healing power of sugar.1 -
12pm is midday 12am is midnightIshmaelZ said:
12pm is meaningless. Midnight or midday? And why not do the sleeper, if you aren't?Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I'm officially scared about conditions on Tuesday - my train from Kings Cross to Inverness departs at 12pm (I return on Friday evening).
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I would create a role for him - almost like an ambassador job - to liaise with tech companies etc globally to find ways to bring elements of the companies to the UK and work with the gov to find the best incentives to attract them whilst maximalising what the country gets out of them being here.kle4 said:
He's had a meteoric rise in politics, a Chancellor before he was 40, and is richer than God - if he doesn't think he will remain at the top table will he stick around beyond the next election?RandallFlagg said:Suppose Mordaunt wins. She offers Sunak a Cabinet job, but it's a demotion. Does he take it?
I would have almost certainly said no, but given what ultimately happened to Hunt I think he might well do now. The King over the Water strategy doesn't seem to work.
I cannot see another winner offering him the same job, they'll want an ally there, but if he's sensible he'd take a meaty mid level Cabinet position.
If they offer you DCMS you know they want to humiliate you. If they offer you Northern Ireland, you know they hate you.
Best utilises his treasury experience. His investment experience, his global contacts and global outlook.
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I'm in favour of MPs being required to wear formal attire whilst in the Commons. I just think it's more professional, though I know some will disagree. However, any reasonable chair would apply any such rules in relaxed fashion during a period of such intense uncomfort.pigeon said:
100% with the MP on this topic. Quite apart from the fact that making people boil to death for the sake of observing Edwardian period etiquette isn't really on, these dress codes are ludicrously sexist.Nigelb said:
They’re not alone.ydoethur said:
You wonder if schools will be able to open in those temperatures. The appalling build quality - cramped, badly ventilated, too much glass and concrete - that was such a curse during Covid is not less of an issue in high temperatures.Leon said:So the heatwave has been downgraded…. Only to be upgraded
40C now forecast for Tuesday across parts of central, eastern England (as far north as Yorkshire)
That’s a mind-boggling temp. And now just 6 days away it is within the reasonably likely timeframe (tho it could still be derailed, natch)
https://twitter.com/DougChapmanSNP/status/1547270996541014018
Just been ejected from the HoC for not wearing a tie/jacket in the Chamber. It’s above 28C+ and a call was put out yesterday on the internal Parliament site regarding well-being during this heatwave. To cap it all, I signed and EDM on the Maximum Temperature in the Workplace.
Though some fool is proposing to spend £22bn on that…
But I find that story strange for another reason- Erskine May is clear a tie is not a requirement.
Members should dress in business-like attire; this need not include a tie.
https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/section/4889/members-dress/?highlight=attire
It even states
Formerly it was the custom for gentlemen Members to wear jackets and ties, but this was not enforced in all circumstances
So the rules are perfectly sensible1 -
Can Rishi be demoted? It depends how the rest of the election plays out but it would be tempting fate to embarrass a rival backed by half the parliamentary party.kle4 said:
He's had a meteoric rise in politics, a Chancellor before he was 40, and is richer than God - if he doesn't think he will remain at the top table will he stick around beyond the next election?RandallFlagg said:Suppose Mordaunt wins. She offers Sunak a Cabinet job, but it's a demotion. Does he take it?
I would have almost certainly said no, but given what ultimately happened to Hunt I think he might well do now. The King over the Water strategy doesn't seem to work.
I cannot see another winner offering him the same job, they'll want an ally there, but if he's sensible he'd take a meaty mid level Cabinet position.
If they offer you DCMS you know they want to humiliate you. If they offer you Northern Ireland, you know they hate you.
In any case, Rishi can afford to stick around even if technically demoted. The new PM's ministry might well flop, leading to yet another leader even before the next general election. Boris is also said to have this in mind.
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Why aren't they having hustings on the cost of living and the economy generally?
Instead of woke and climate change?1
