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Well they don't have the SC on their sideLeon said:An extraordinary found video. Pro-choice activists “twerking” for the rights of women to abort.
Check the people, the noise, the music, the degradation of everything. The moral trashiness, the sad debasement. America is finished. England must save herself
https://twitter.com/blacknessinxtra/status/1541390815041392640?s=21&t=3rgMmktA6IqrAdXrLYsFWQ0 -
Turkeys and ChristmasHYUFD said:
65 MPs though is the difference between the Tory majority in the Commons and not.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Jeremy Corbyn levels of Confidence.TheScreamingEagles said:The @Telegraph report the whips’ office have crunched the numbers and worked out Boris Johnson would get just 65 confidence votes out of nearly 360 Tory MPs
https://twitter.com/mrmkimber/status/1544799547658047489?s=21&t=NSean3Rc3lWFcIt0a6lFAA
Of course Corbyn then spent four more years in office. Boris will be lucky to get four more days.
If Boris lost they would need to commit to support the new Tory leader as PM to avoid a general election0 -
I own keeping your man out. 100%. You own putting me in the position of having to do so.bigjohnowls said:
Your fault.TOPPING said:
A corner of honour.bigjohnowls said:
It's your faultIshmaelZ said:
Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.bigjohnowls said:
It's Farooq's fault everyone.Farooq said:
Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.darkage said:
I am probably in a minority of one.Farooq said:
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.TimS said:I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
But I voted for labour in 2019, and actually regret not voting for Boris.
Looking back, the danger was always infinetly greater with Corbyn than Boris. That is still true today.
Can you imagine dealing with the situation in Ukraine with Corbyn as PM?
There are far bigger issues than this 'trump lite' act of not leaving office when the game is probably up.
The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.
Stop wriggling
Examine your conscience deep down you know it.
Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
Thing is, no one's wriggling.
We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
Glad you own it.4 -
Absolutely. And if the alternative were Corbyn again, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.bigjohnowls said:
Your fault.TOPPING said:
A corner of honour.bigjohnowls said:
It's your faultIshmaelZ said:
Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.bigjohnowls said:
It's Farooq's fault everyone.Farooq said:
Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.darkage said:
I am probably in a minority of one.Farooq said:
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.TimS said:I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
But I voted for labour in 2019, and actually regret not voting for Boris.
Looking back, the danger was always infinetly greater with Corbyn than Boris. That is still true today.
Can you imagine dealing with the situation in Ukraine with Corbyn as PM?
There are far bigger issues than this 'trump lite' act of not leaving office when the game is probably up.
The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.
Stop wriggling
Examine your conscience deep down you know it.
Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
Thing is, no one's wriggling.
We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
Glad you own it.
Your fault you put Corbyn up as the alternative.2 -
Yup. Boris could have shat through my letterbox and impregnated my wife and I’d still rather him than Corbyn.TOPPING said:
A corner of honour.bigjohnowls said:
It's your faultIshmaelZ said:
Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.bigjohnowls said:
It's Farooq's fault everyone.Farooq said:
Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.darkage said:
I am probably in a minority of one.Farooq said:
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 atTimS said:I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
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You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.
Stop wriggling
Examine your conscience deep down you know it.
Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
Thing is, no one's wriggling.
We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
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He's male.BartholomewRoberts said:
Checked it, struggling to find a single thing there that's degrading, trashy or debased.Leon said:An extraordinary found video. Pro-choice activists “twerking” for the rights of women to abort.
Check the people, the noise, the music, the degradation of everything. The moral trashiness, the sad debasement. America is finished. England must save herself
https://twitter.com/blacknessinxtra/status/1541390815041392640?s=21&t=3rgMmktA6IqrAdXrLYsFWQ
Especially for someone who claims to have lived hedonistic sex and drug fuelled bender of a life as a sex toy flint knapper.0 -
or to put it less succinctly...rottenborough said:
"I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that, should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er"0 -
Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.
Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.3 -
I did not vote in 2019. I voted LibDem in 2017. I might never bother voting ever again.Farooq said:
General election, 2019.Beibheirli_C said:
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.Farooq said:
Fuck him, he voted for this prickHeathener said:I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.0 -
I’m going with genius. Just because, round about now, it would be totally fucking superb if it turned out there was a genius waiting to be prime minister. We need onedixiedean said:
Zahawi is either an absolute genius or a total fucking moron.Scott_xP said:EXCLUSIVE: Nadhim Zahawi has been secretly working with close allies of Sir Lynton Crosby on a Tory leadership bid for months.
https://twitter.com/Geri_E_L_Scott/status/1544797893135056896/photo/1
Despite becoming chancellor yesterday, Zahawi has been preparing a Crosby-approved plan to become prime minister behind the scenes, which includes cutting corporation tax and VAT and looking at stamp duty.
He is understood to be ready to activate the campaign immediately “if shit hits the fan” and the small team had been preparing a resignation letter centred on trust had he not been made chancellor.
More in @thetimes tomorrow.
Nothing in between.
I am reserving judgement which till we have more evidence.4 -
There aren’t anywhere near 65 such MPs. As soon as power slips from his fingers, the aura will disappear.HYUFD said:
We are in uncharted territory, it depends how Boris fanatical they are. Not completely impossible Boris could instantly form his own populist party, some of them defect to it and vote for a general election with the oppositionanother_richard said:
Why wouldn't they ?HYUFD said:
65 MPs though is the difference between the Tory majority in the Commons and not.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Jeremy Corbyn levels of Confidence.TheScreamingEagles said:The @Telegraph report the whips’ office have crunched the numbers and worked out Boris Johnson would get just 65 confidence votes out of nearly 360 Tory MPs
https://twitter.com/mrmkimber/status/1544799547658047489?s=21&t=NSean3Rc3lWFcIt0a6lFAA
Of course Corbyn then spent four more years in office. Boris will be lucky to get four more days.
If Boris lost they would need to commit to support the new Tory leader as PM to avoid a general election
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Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?eek said:
So you wasted your vote.TheValiant said:
I do not understand this at all.Richard_Tyndall said:
The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.algarkirk said:
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.Farooq said:
Fuck him, he voted for this prickHeathener said:I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.
If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.
The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did5 -
Blistering stuff from @SuellaBraverman on #peston She says “untenable” for him to continue as leader https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/15448033615554519052
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Braverman on Peston saying Johnson must go0
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Sorry, I don’t know the original source. https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1544803737788719107/photo/1
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Are you sure he hasn't?biggles said:
Yup. Boris could have shat through my letterbox and impregnated my wife and I’d still rather him than Corbyn.TOPPING said:
A corner of honour.bigjohnowls said:
It's your faultIshmaelZ said:
Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.bigjohnowls said:
It's Farooq's fault everyone.Farooq said:
Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.darkage said:
I am probably in a minority of one.Farooq said:
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 atTimS said:I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
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You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.
Stop wriggling
Examine your conscience deep down you know it.
Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
Thing is, no one's wriggling.
We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
Pleased to see you taking responsibility for the complete mess.
The corner is over there on the extreme right0 -
Ok that’s it.RH1992 said:Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.
Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.
Now it really is over.
Braverman is the lowest of the low.2 -
Suella turns her coat on Peston.rottenborough said:
Steven Swinford
@Steven_Swinford
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Told Boris Johnson is struggling to persuade people to replace key Cabinet roles and tonight
People just aren’t willing to risk their reputations
Some of those approached are already considering quitting themselves0 -
Indeed.EPG said:Can someone check if one can prorogue the Conservative Party?
As entertaining as all this is for us anoraks on PB the Conservative Party is dragging the country into the gutter with these 3 yearly psychodrama's.
First we had the fool Cameron playing Russian Roulette with the electorate in the referendum and then flouncing off when it blew up in his face.
Then we had the dreaded Theresa May and the idiotic 2017 general election followed by all the paralysis of the 2017-2019 Parliament selfishly refusing the implement the referendum result and her eventual evisceration by the Tories.
Now we have all the trauma of the end days of Boris...
The Tory Party seems to think their own never ending soap opera is more important than the good governance of the country but I have a feeling people have lost patience now.
Whoever replaces Johnson is done for I think... A majority Labour government and a period in Opposition for the Tories to sort themselves out seems the only sensible way forward after this six year shambles..1 -
Braverman is running for leader!!!!!0
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But Suella Braverman says she won’t step down as attorney general because of her duty to the role. She doesn’t rule out getting sacked by the PM, though https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/15448033615554519052
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Breaking - @SuellaBraverman says she will run for leader1
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Surely he has to sack her now0
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Only because she has also just announced a leadership bid on a platform of, in her words, 'getting rid of woke rubbish'Scott_xP said:Blistering stuff from @SuellaBraverman on #peston She says “untenable” for him to continue as leader https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1544803361555451905
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Just for giggles i hooe i wake up to Nadine and Mogg announcing its time to go and they are running on a timeshare for the top job. Nadine in the present and Mogg as Gladstone's replacementRH1992 said:Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.
Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.2 -
He isn't that brave.RochdalePioneers said:Braverman on Peston saying Johnson must go
Everybody else has already said it0 -
Would have had her down as one of the 65.RH1992 said:Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.
Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.
64 then. And counting down....3 -
That video is genius. It is the Decline and Fall of the American Empire in 55 seconds. It’s all in there, and there is so much to admireBartholomewRoberts said:
Checked it, struggling to find a single thing there that's degrading, trashy or debased.Leon said:An extraordinary found video. Pro-choice activists “twerking” for the rights of women to abort.
Check the people, the noise, the music, the degradation of everything. The moral trashiness, the sad debasement. America is finished. England must save herself
https://twitter.com/blacknessinxtra/status/1541390815041392640?s=21&t=3rgMmktA6IqrAdXrLYsFWQ
Especially for someone who claims to have lived hedonistic sex and drug fuelled bender of a life as a sex toy flint knapper.
The obese white girl at the end tonelessly screaming JUST FUCKING GAAAA at the black girls “twerking their asses” for the Rights of Women is like Otto Dix run through DALLE-90 -
Suella throws her hat into the leadership ring. Big attack on the EU, the ECJ and the woke. Place your bets.1
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That’s the most shocking news of the day .Gardenwalker said:
Ok that’s it.RH1992 said:Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.
Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.
Now it really is over.
Braverman is the lowest of the low.0 -
I'm struggling to get to half a dozen.MarqueeMark said:
Would have had her down as one of the 65.RH1992 said:Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.
Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.
64 then. And counting down....
JRM, Nads, Boris himself and ...
Duguid, Anderson, Braverman etc all calling for him to go today, those aren't 'the usual suspects'. There can't be many left.1 -
I don't think anyone had mentioned her name in connection with the leadership.RochdalePioneers said:Braverman is running for leader!!!!!
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What's wrong with any of that?Leon said:
That video is genius. It is the Decline and Fall of the American Empire in 55 seconds. It’s all in there, and there is so much to admireBartholomewRoberts said:
Checked it, struggling to find a single thing there that's degrading, trashy or debased.Leon said:An extraordinary found video. Pro-choice activists “twerking” for the rights of women to abort.
Check the people, the noise, the music, the degradation of everything. The moral trashiness, the sad debasement. America is finished. England must save herself
https://twitter.com/blacknessinxtra/status/1541390815041392640?s=21&t=3rgMmktA6IqrAdXrLYsFWQ
Especially for someone who claims to have lived hedonistic sex and drug fuelled bender of a life as a sex toy flint knapper.
The obese white girl at the end tonelessly screaming JUST FUCKING GAAAA at the black girls “twerking their asses” for the Rights of Women is like Otto Dix run through DALLE-9
Is it the black girls you have an issue with? Or twerking? Or women having rights?
I'm struggling to see what you find objectionable. Do you think it'd be better if women knew their place was in a kitchen with no control over their own bodies and wore a burqa if they went out in public?2 -
England doesn't need an Attorney General or Solicitor General anyway. One resigned, the other mo=ust get sacked.0
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Just when I thought today couldn't get any more surreal and fucking ace and totally improbable.
Shortly after 11pm the first open candidate for leader is.
Suella Braverman!
We need a Buddhist PM. Even one with no lineage.
Go on. It'll be a laugh.2 -
This is really significant because @SuellaBraverman is one of the Spartans - the Conservative MPs who voted against Theresa May’s Brexit deal in every major vote. So difficult to say PM being challenged in a Remainer plot
https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1544805461765013504
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Hang on, there. I missed the thread in which you disavowed Boris.bigjohnowls said:
Well done you.Pro_Rata said:As stated before I registered a Conservative protest vote against Corbyn in the safe Labour seat of Huddersfield in 2019.
I contributed to Boris's vote share, but felt no risk I would be contributing to his MP count or majority, which turned out correct.
I had come to the conclusion, having gone LD in 2017 when there was a slight chance of a May landslide taking HD, that my vote hadn't been strong enough, and that taking an extra one off of the Labour majority by backing 2nd place, I was doing the most I could to get rid of Corbyn and aid the cause of a Social Democratic party of power.
My GE19 vote was delivered, not by Brexit, but by the election of SKS as leader.
You need to go to its my fault corner.
It's getting rather crowded over there.
You'd have happily elected an actual real life Tory MP as recently as a month ago.
I never resolved to do as much.2 -
On the Contrary more equality, fairness, houses galore free Broadband, the NHS saved, a safer world or Boris.OllyT said:
Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?eek said:
So you wasted your vote.TheValiant said:
I do not understand this at all.Richard_Tyndall said:
The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.algarkirk said:
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.Farooq said:
Fuck him, he voted for this prickHeathener said:I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.
If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.
The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did0 -
Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."
Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128
Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/15430126690907013123 -
Are there any Tory MPs not preparing to throw their hat into the ring for the leadership?0
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Now Justice PPS calls for PM to go too. That's at least 3 ministers/PPS who have publicly called on Boris Johnson to resign but are still in their jobs. More sackings to come tomorrow? https://twitter.com/JasonMcCartney/status/15448046104849326120
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What this really is, is the end point of the Tories' Europe obsession. Not Brexit. This goes way, way back to the 1990s when the fear of UKIP began to grip them and a sizeable and growing fraction of them would push the anti-Europe agenda to keep UKIPs tanks off the Tory lawn.GIN1138 said:
Indeed.EPG said:Can someone check if one can prorogue the Conservative Party?
As entertaining as all this is for us anoraks on PB the Conservative Party is dragging the country into the gutter with these 3 yearly psychodrama's.
First we had the fool Cameron playing Russian Roulette with the electorate in the referendum and then flouncing off when it blew up in his face.
Then we had the dreaded Theresa May and the idiotic 2017 general election followed by all the paralysis of the 2017-2019 Parliament selfishly refusing the implement the referendum result and her eventual evisceration by the Tories.
Now we have all the trauma of the end days of Boris...
The Tory Party seems to think their own never ending soap opera is more important than the good governance of the country but I have a feeling people have lost patience now.
Whoever replaces Johnson is done for I think... A majority Labour government and a period in Opposition for the Tories to sort themselves out seems the only sensible way forward after this six year shambles..
And it worked, right up to 2016 when they saddled themselves with Brexit.
And now we are here.
What will the Tory Party look like next week? Next month? Next year.0 -
In tomorrow's Times I report that junior Conservative MPs are forming plans to back a "new generation" leadership candidate.
Sources named three candidates they might back: Kemi Badenoch, Simon Clarke, Suella Braverman
Great to have a story stood up so quickly! https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/15448049468261253180 -
Boris lost significant amounts of the Spartans due to the Covid restrictions, and especially extending them even post-vaccines.Scott_xP said:This is really significant because @SuellaBraverman is one of the Spartans - the Conservative MPs who voted against Theresa May’s Brexit deal in every major vote. So difficult to say PM being challenged in a Remainer plot
https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1544805461765013504
https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1544803361555451905
That was the beginning of the end of my support for him.1 -
There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?3
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They would. It's not even up for debate.HYUFD said:
65 MPs though is the difference between the Tory majority in the Commons and not.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Jeremy Corbyn levels of Confidence.TheScreamingEagles said:The @Telegraph report the whips’ office have crunched the numbers and worked out Boris Johnson would get just 65 confidence votes out of nearly 360 Tory MPs
https://twitter.com/mrmkimber/status/1544799547658047489?s=21&t=NSean3Rc3lWFcIt0a6lFAA
Of course Corbyn then spent four more years in office. Boris will be lucky to get four more days.
If Boris lost they would need to commit to support the new Tory leader as PM to avoid a general election1 -
Portland is f##ked.williamglenn said:Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."
Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128
Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312
https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1544670364701052930?s=20&t=RrsBM_xXfJozUZ-rqIvR9A0 -
Correction - Moog as Duke of Buckingham's replacement. (The one who got fragged in 1628.)wooliedyed said:
Just for giggles i hooe i wake up to Nadine and Mogg announcing its time to go and they are running on a timeshare for the top job. Nadine in the present and Mogg as Gladstone's replacementRH1992 said:Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.
Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.0 -
Yes, Boris then, if we must.bigjohnowls said:
On the Contrary more equality, fairness, houses galore free Broadband, the NHS saved, a safer world or Boris.OllyT said:
Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?eek said:
So you wasted your vote.TheValiant said:
I do not understand this at all.Richard_Tyndall said:
The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.algarkirk said:
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.Farooq said:
Fuck him, he voted for this prickHeathener said:I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.
If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.
The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did
Or we can vote Boris then dump him without getting any of the insanity you wanted.0 -
Let me get this straight. We live in a world where the AG says the PM should resign, whilst in post….0
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Hancock on Peston. 🍿0
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Hancock on the telly! “Hello everyone. You might remember me. What matter most? That Im handsome, smart and saved all your lives”.2
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Jeez. These people are some kind of drug that is unavailable to the rest of us.dixiedean said:Just when I thought today couldn't get any more surreal and fucking ace and totally improbable.
Shortly after 11pm the first open candidate for leader is.
Suella Braverman!
We need a Buddhist PM. Even one with no lineage.
Go on. It'll be a laugh.
Some kind of evil triple skunk laced with LSD.
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It's the BoZo playbook.Luckyguy1983 said:There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?
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So I checked the constitution of the Conservative Party, and it states that:
"89 For the avoidance of doubt but without prejudice to any of the provisions of this Part, matters of Parliamentary discipline (not touching or concerning the ethics and integrity of a Member of Parliament or Peer) shall at all times remain the responsibility of the Chief Whip in the House of Commons or House of Lords, as the case may be."
The constitution also states that:
"“Member of Parliament” means a Member of the House of Commons in receipt of the
Conservative Whip;" - This implies that a sitting MP who is not in receipt of the Conservative Whip cannot apply to be selected as the candidate of their conservative association.
So, who appoints the Chief Whip? The Parliament website makes reference to whips being appointed by their parties, but the government chief whip is also appointed as Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury, which would imply this is an office appointed by the PM.
The Conservative Constitution doesn't appear to specify that the Chief Whip is appointed by the party leader. It's not clear to me who would be in charge of appointing the Chief Whip in the case that a new leader of the Conservative Party is elected, but the former leader and incumbent PM refuses to resign. I think Johnson might be in a position to remove the whip from the newly-elected leader of the Conservative Party, and thereby force their deselection as an official Conservative Party candidate for a subsequent general election.0 -
Zelenskyy nuked by Polaris as a Ukrainian Nazi Jew?bigjohnowls said:
On the Contrary more equality, fairness, houses galore free Broadband, the NHS saved, a safer world or Boris.OllyT said:
Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?eek said:
So you wasted your vote.TheValiant said:
I do not understand this at all.Richard_Tyndall said:
The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.algarkirk said:
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.Farooq said:
Fuck him, he voted for this prickHeathener said:I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.
If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.
The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did0 -
In the 1990s it was one of the best cities in the United States to live in.FrancisUrquhart said:
Portland is f##ked.williamglenn said:Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."
Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128
Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312
https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1544670364701052930?s=20&t=RrsBM_xXfJozUZ-rqIvR9A0 -
Boris has lost Hancock. It’s finally over.0
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Oh well enjoyable day on PB draws to a close.
With all the guilt ridden PB Tories frantically trying to find someone else to blame.
I suggest you look in your mirrors.
Goodnight.
We all make mistakes as the dales said climbing off the dustbin1 -
Preposterous.bigjohnowls said:
Are you sure he hasn't?biggles said:
Yup. Boris could have shat through my letterbox and impregnated my wife and I’d still rather him than Corbyn.TOPPING said:
A corner of honour.bigjohnowls said:
It's your faultIshmaelZ said:
Cwho effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.bigjohnowls said:
It's Farooq's fault everyone.Farooq said:
Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.darkage said:
I am probably in a minority of one.Farooq said:
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 atTimS said:I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
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You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.
Stop wriggling
Examine your conscience deep down you know it.
Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
Thing is, no one's wriggling.
We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
Pleased to see you taking responsibility for the complete mess.
The corner is over there on the extreme right
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Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party while setting out his vision for the party0
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Simon Clarke or Suella Braverman.Scott_xP said:In tomorrow's Times I report that junior Conservative MPs are forming plans to back a "new generation" leadership candidate.
Sources named three candidates they might back: Kemi Badenoch, Simon Clarke, Suella Braverman
Great to have a story stood up so quickly! https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544804946826125318
As serious candidates.
Seriously?0 -
Have a hunch, that sacking and replacing top crown law officers may be more problematic than for run-of-the-mill politicos?Scott_xP said:Now Justice PPS calls for PM to go too. That's at least 3 ministers/PPS who have publicly called on Boris Johnson to resign but are still in their jobs. More sackings to come tomorrow? https://twitter.com/JasonMcCartney/status/1544804610484932612
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Lolwilliamglenn said:Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."
Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128
Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312
America is SO doomed. One shouldn’t laugh but I’d weep otherwise
Also, isn’t he… Chinese? A big tubby American Chinese guy? The same Chinese that are slaughtering the Uyghurs and dominating Asia? And he calls her the “fucking coloniser”
The Left has carefully constructed this madness0 -
I'm afraid to go to bed in case JRM proposes to Claudia Webbe or summat.3
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Strange, couple of friends of mine were down there weekend before last, and had a whale of a time. Hanging out with non-PTSDed PDXers.FrancisUrquhart said:
Portland is f##ked.williamglenn said:Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."
Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128
Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312
https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1544670364701052930?s=20&t=RrsBM_xXfJozUZ-rqIvR9A0 -
Yes this makes no sense. We have Schrodinger’s Cabinet.Luckyguy1983 said:There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?
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"Consultancy" is all the rage. The working class are called agency workers.Luckyguy1983 said:There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?
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Which insanity?BartholomewRoberts said:
Yes, Boris then, if we must.bigjohnowls said:
On the Contrary more equality, fairness, houses galore free Broadband, the NHS saved, a safer world or Boris.OllyT said:
Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?eek said:
So you wasted your vote.TheValiant said:
I do not understand this at all.Richard_Tyndall said:
The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.algarkirk said:
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.Farooq said:
Fuck him, he voted for this prickHeathener said:I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.
If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.
The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did
Or we can vote Boris then dump him without getting any of the insanity you wanted.0 -
One of today’s many quitters gets in touch
Buckle up! https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544807796276879365/photo/10 -
IF Clown wants, he can sack them pronto, at least in theory. That that ain't happened yet, maybe that says something?Luckyguy1983 said:There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?
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I can think of few people I'd rather stand against in an election than Suella Braverman. Best of luck to her.
https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/15448077652768563203 -
The last August election was in 1895. Polling days were 13th July to 7th August.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1895_United_Kingdom_general_election2 -
Mrs U has relatives who live there so we have visited a lot. It always had the reputation of a bit whacky and very liberal / hippy dippy, but all in a good way.Andy_JS said:
In the 1990s it was one of the best cities in the United States to live in.FrancisUrquhart said:
Portland is f##ked.williamglenn said:Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."
Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128
Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312
https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1544670364701052930?s=20&t=RrsBM_xXfJozUZ-rqIvR9A
Now downtown become a total shit hole like LA / SF with the junkies and homeless everywhere, and then you have all the ANTIFA mob smashing shit up every other day (and during Trump the Proud Boys also turning up for a punch up), while the Mayor just shrugs and mutters about white privilege and the far right.1 -
At least no one shot anyone.williamglenn said:Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."
Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128
Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/15430126690907013120 -
Stop dodging the question minister!HYUFD said:
If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
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Braverman going really is the equivalent of Hermann Fegelein fleeing the bunker.0
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How did your leadership bid go, Jess?Scott_xP said:I can think of few people I'd rather stand against in an election than Suella Braverman. Best of luck to her.
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He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.moonshine said:
That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?HYUFD said:Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party
I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.2 -
I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.moonshine said:
Stop dodging the question minister!HYUFD said:
If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go0 -
Nope. What matters is like your boss at the time you broke lockdown rules that every night you told us we must obey or face killing gran and also the full weight of the law.moonshine said:Hancock on the telly! “Hello everyone. You might remember me. What matter most? That Im handsome, smart and saved all your lives”.
Tw*t.2 -
How bad is the energy price situation? I've just looked at a chart on trading economics showing the price of gas coming right down.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas0 -
I think that after this experience we now have a new reference point for political bunkers to replace that one. In future it will be “the PM is quite fucked but not Boris 2022 fucked”.Stereodog said:Braverman going really is the equivalent of Hermann Fegelein fleeing the bunker.
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Maybe these sorts of petty arguments were happening before but we didn't know about them before social media.Leon said:
Lolwilliamglenn said:Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."
Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128
Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312
America is SO doomed. One shouldn’t laugh but I’d weep otherwise
Also, isn’t he… Chinese? A big tubby American Chinese guy? The same Chinese that are slaughtering the Uyghurs and dominating Asia? And he calls her the “fucking coloniser”
The Left has carefully constructed this madness1 -
Fair dincomeHYUFD said:
I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.moonshine said:
Stop dodging the question minister!HYUFD said:
If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go
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Fegelein! Bring me Fegelein!Stereodog said:Braverman going really is the equivalent of Hermann Fegelein fleeing the bunker.
Downfall classics5 -
Johnson lost the plot after he ditched Marina. He needed Marina to tell him "the game's up you lying, philandering sack of ****!"1
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Just a thought, but the judgement that led Braverman to declare a leadership bid while still in government when most are in bed and chaos is all about us is the same judgement that gives this government its legal advice. Sleep well everyone.
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Some of us voted Lib Dem (having always voted Labour) because we thought they were both untrustworthy morons.BartholomewRoberts said:
Absolutely. And if the alternative were Corbyn again, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.bigjohnowls said:
Your fault.TOPPING said:
A corner of honour.bigjohnowls said:
It's your faultIshmaelZ said:
Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.bigjohnowls said:
It's Farooq's fault everyone.Farooq said:
Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.darkage said:
I am probably in a minority of one.Farooq said:
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.TimS said:I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
But I voted for labour in 2019, and actually regret not voting for Boris.
Looking back, the danger was always infinetly greater with Corbyn than Boris. That is still true today.
Can you imagine dealing with the situation in Ukraine with Corbyn as PM?
There are far bigger issues than this 'trump lite' act of not leaving office when the game is probably up.
The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.
Stop wriggling
Examine your conscience deep down you know it.
Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
Thing is, no one's wriggling.
We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
Glad you own it.
Your fault you put Corbyn up as the alternative.0 -
May?Andy_JS said:Are there any Tory MPs not preparing to throw their hat into the ring for the leadership?
She's just waiting to be made caretaker PM.0 -
The tactical nuclear option for Johnson is to simply withdraw the whip from everyone who is against him.0
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Not really. She puts her name on it. That’s all.Scott_xP said:Just a thought, but the judgement that led Braverman to declare a leadership bid while still in government when most are in bed and chaos is all about us is the same judgement that gives this government its legal advice. Sleep well everyone.
https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1544809243911536641
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If Boris goes Wallace remains my preference as next leaderBartholomewRoberts said:
He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.moonshine said:
That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?HYUFD said:Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party
I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.0 -
Suella Braverman announces she wants to be prime minister.
This Suella Braverman.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/emily-thornberry-suella-braverman-commons-clash-northern-ireland_uk_628f6da2e4b05cfc2696d1e10 -
If a majority of Cons MPs are against him and you are for him you know that that would mean you weren't a proper Tory.HYUFD said:
I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.moonshine said:
Stop dodging the question minister!HYUFD said:
If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go0
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