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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Leon said:

    An extraordinary found video. Pro-choice activists “twerking” for the rights of women to abort.

    Check the people, the noise, the music, the degradation of everything. The moral trashiness, the sad debasement. America is finished. England must save herself


    https://twitter.com/blacknessinxtra/status/1541390815041392640?s=21&t=3rgMmktA6IqrAdXrLYsFWQ

    Well they don't have the SC on their side
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,526
    HYUFD said:

    The @Telegraph report the whips’ office have crunched the numbers and worked out Boris Johnson would get just 65 confidence votes out of nearly 360 Tory MPs

    https://twitter.com/mrmkimber/status/1544799547658047489?s=21&t=NSean3Rc3lWFcIt0a6lFAA

    That's Jeremy Corbyn levels of Confidence.

    Of course Corbyn then spent four more years in office. Boris will be lucky to get four more days.
    65 MPs though is the difference between the Tory majority in the Commons and not.

    If Boris lost they would need to commit to support the new Tory leader as PM to avoid a general election
    Turkeys and Christmas
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    edited July 2022

    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    darkage said:

    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.

    There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.

    Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.

    You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
    I am probably in a minority of one.
    But I voted for labour in 2019, and actually regret not voting for Boris.
    Looking back, the danger was always infinetly greater with Corbyn than Boris. That is still true today.
    Can you imagine dealing with the situation in Ukraine with Corbyn as PM?
    There are far bigger issues than this 'trump lite' act of not leaving office when the game is probably up.
    The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.


    Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.
    It's Farooq's fault everyone.
    Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.
    It's your fault

    Stop wriggling

    Examine your conscience deep down you know it.

    Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
    A corner of honour.

    Thing is, no one's wriggling.

    We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
    Your fault.

    Glad you own it.
    I own keeping your man out. 100%. You own putting me in the position of having to do so.
  • TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    darkage said:

    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.

    There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.

    Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.

    You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
    I am probably in a minority of one.
    But I voted for labour in 2019, and actually regret not voting for Boris.
    Looking back, the danger was always infinetly greater with Corbyn than Boris. That is still true today.
    Can you imagine dealing with the situation in Ukraine with Corbyn as PM?
    There are far bigger issues than this 'trump lite' act of not leaving office when the game is probably up.
    The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.


    Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.
    It's Farooq's fault everyone.
    Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.
    It's your fault

    Stop wriggling

    Examine your conscience deep down you know it.

    Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
    A corner of honour.

    Thing is, no one's wriggling.

    We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
    Your fault.

    Glad you own it.
    Absolutely. And if the alternative were Corbyn again, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

    Your fault you put Corbyn up as the alternative.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    darkage said:

    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
    .

    Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at

    You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
    I am probably in a minority of one.

    The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.


    Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.
    It's Farooq's fault everyone.
    Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.
    It's your fault

    Stop wriggling

    Examine your conscience deep down you know it.

    Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
    A corner of honour.

    Thing is, no one's wriggling.

    We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
    Yup. Boris could have shat through my letterbox and impregnated my wife and I’d still rather him than Corbyn.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Leon said:

    An extraordinary found video. Pro-choice activists “twerking” for the rights of women to abort.

    Check the people, the noise, the music, the degradation of everything. The moral trashiness, the sad debasement. America is finished. England must save herself


    https://twitter.com/blacknessinxtra/status/1541390815041392640?s=21&t=3rgMmktA6IqrAdXrLYsFWQ

    Checked it, struggling to find a single thing there that's degrading, trashy or debased.

    Especially for someone who claims to have lived hedonistic sex and drug fuelled bender of a life as a sex toy flint knapper.
    He's male.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,250

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Oh, go on then. Think I will. Must be the response.

    or to put it less succinctly...

    "I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that, should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er"
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited July 2022
    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    I did not vote in 2019. I voted LibDem in 2017. I might never bother voting ever again.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Nadhim Zahawi has been secretly working with close allies of Sir Lynton Crosby on a Tory leadership bid for months.

    https://twitter.com/Geri_E_L_Scott/status/1544797893135056896/photo/1

    Despite becoming chancellor yesterday, Zahawi has been preparing a Crosby-approved plan to become prime minister behind the scenes, which includes cutting corporation tax and VAT and looking at stamp duty.

    He is understood to be ready to activate the campaign immediately “if shit hits the fan” and the small team had been preparing a resignation letter centred on trust had he not been made chancellor.

    More in @thetimes tomorrow.

    Zahawi is either an absolute genius or a total fucking moron.
    Nothing in between.
    I am reserving judgement which till we have more evidence.
    I’m going with genius. Just because, round about now, it would be totally fucking superb if it turned out there was a genius waiting to be prime minister. We need one
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    At that point even I would say he would have to go but we are not there yet
    Do you think he should hang on?
    Until the 1922 change the rules and he loses a VONC happens yes.

    If both those events occur then at the point he should go
    The 1922 need to make sure that any rule changes don’t come back to bite them on the bum in the future.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    RH1992 said:

    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    but not resigning apparently
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The @Telegraph report the whips’ office have crunched the numbers and worked out Boris Johnson would get just 65 confidence votes out of nearly 360 Tory MPs

    https://twitter.com/mrmkimber/status/1544799547658047489?s=21&t=NSean3Rc3lWFcIt0a6lFAA

    That's Jeremy Corbyn levels of Confidence.

    Of course Corbyn then spent four more years in office. Boris will be lucky to get four more days.
    65 MPs though is the difference between the Tory majority in the Commons and not.

    If Boris lost they would need to commit to support the new Tory leader as PM to avoid a general election
    Why wouldn't they ?
    We are in uncharted territory, it depends how Boris fanatical they are. Not completely impossible Boris could instantly form his own populist party, some of them defect to it and vote for a general election with the opposition
    There aren’t anywhere near 65 such MPs. As soon as power slips from his fingers, the aura will disappear.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Blistering stuff from @SuellaBraverman on #peston She says “untenable” for him to continue as leader https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1544803361555451905
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    RH1992 said:

    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.

    Braverman?
    Gosh.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Braverman on Peston saying Johnson must go
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Sorry, I don’t know the original source. https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1544803737788719107/photo/1


  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    biggles said:

    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    darkage said:

    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
    .

    Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at

    You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
    I am probably in a minority of one.

    The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.


    Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.
    It's Farooq's fault everyone.
    Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.
    It's your fault

    Stop wriggling

    Examine your conscience deep down you know it.

    Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
    A corner of honour.

    Thing is, no one's wriggling.

    We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
    Yup. Boris could have shat through my letterbox and impregnated my wife and I’d still rather him than Corbyn.

    Are you sure he hasn't?

    Pleased to see you taking responsibility for the complete mess.

    The corner is over there on the extreme right
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    RH1992 said:

    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.

    Ok that’s it.
    Now it really is over.

    Braverman is the lowest of the low.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    3m
    Told Boris Johnson is struggling to persuade people to replace key Cabinet roles and tonight

    People just aren’t willing to risk their reputations

    Some of those approached are already considering quitting themselves

    Suella turns her coat on Peston.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    edited July 2022
    EPG said:

    Can someone check if one can prorogue the Conservative Party?

    Indeed.

    As entertaining as all this is for us anoraks on PB the Conservative Party is dragging the country into the gutter with these 3 yearly psychodrama's.

    First we had the fool Cameron playing Russian Roulette with the electorate in the referendum and then flouncing off when it blew up in his face.

    Then we had the dreaded Theresa May and the idiotic 2017 general election followed by all the paralysis of the 2017-2019 Parliament selfishly refusing the implement the referendum result and her eventual evisceration by the Tories.

    Now we have all the trauma of the end days of Boris...

    The Tory Party seems to think their own never ending soap opera is more important than the good governance of the country but I have a feeling people have lost patience now.

    Whoever replaces Johnson is done for I think... A majority Labour government and a period in Opposition for the Tories to sort themselves out seems the only sensible way forward after this six year shambles..
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Braverman is running for leader!!!!!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    But Suella Braverman says she won’t step down as attorney general because of her duty to the role. She doesn’t rule out getting sacked by the PM, though https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1544803361555451905
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Breaking - @SuellaBraverman says she will run for leader
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Surely he has to sack her now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    Blistering stuff from @SuellaBraverman on #peston She says “untenable” for him to continue as leader https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1544803361555451905

    Only because she has also just announced a leadership bid on a platform of, in her words, 'getting rid of woke rubbish'
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    RH1992 said:

    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.

    Just for giggles i hooe i wake up to Nadine and Mogg announcing its time to go and they are running on a timeshare for the top job. Nadine in the present and Mogg as Gladstone's replacement
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    Braverman on Peston saying Johnson must go

    He isn't that brave.

    Everybody else has already said it
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    RH1992 said:

    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.

    Would have had her down as one of the 65.

    64 then. And counting down....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288

    Leon said:

    An extraordinary found video. Pro-choice activists “twerking” for the rights of women to abort.

    Check the people, the noise, the music, the degradation of everything. The moral trashiness, the sad debasement. America is finished. England must save herself


    https://twitter.com/blacknessinxtra/status/1541390815041392640?s=21&t=3rgMmktA6IqrAdXrLYsFWQ

    Checked it, struggling to find a single thing there that's degrading, trashy or debased.

    Especially for someone who claims to have lived hedonistic sex and drug fuelled bender of a life as a sex toy flint knapper.
    That video is genius. It is the Decline and Fall of the American Empire in 55 seconds. It’s all in there, and there is so much to admire

    The obese white girl at the end tonelessly screaming JUST FUCKING GAAAA at the black girls “twerking their asses” for the Rights of Women is like Otto Dix run through DALLE-9
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited July 2022
    Suella throws her hat into the leadership ring. Big attack on the EU, the ECJ and the woke. Place your bets.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    RH1992 said:

    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.

    Ok that’s it.
    Now it really is over.

    Braverman is the lowest of the low.
    That’s the most shocking news of the day .
  • RH1992 said:

    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.

    Would have had her down as one of the 65.

    64 then. And counting down....
    I'm struggling to get to half a dozen.

    JRM, Nads, Boris himself and ...

    Duguid, Anderson, Braverman etc all calling for him to go today, those aren't 'the usual suspects'. There can't be many left.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Braverman is running for leader!!!!!

    I don't think anyone had mentioned her name in connection with the leadership.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    An extraordinary found video. Pro-choice activists “twerking” for the rights of women to abort.

    Check the people, the noise, the music, the degradation of everything. The moral trashiness, the sad debasement. America is finished. England must save herself


    https://twitter.com/blacknessinxtra/status/1541390815041392640?s=21&t=3rgMmktA6IqrAdXrLYsFWQ

    Checked it, struggling to find a single thing there that's degrading, trashy or debased.

    Especially for someone who claims to have lived hedonistic sex and drug fuelled bender of a life as a sex toy flint knapper.
    That video is genius. It is the Decline and Fall of the American Empire in 55 seconds. It’s all in there, and there is so much to admire

    The obese white girl at the end tonelessly screaming JUST FUCKING GAAAA at the black girls “twerking their asses” for the Rights of Women is like Otto Dix run through DALLE-9
    What's wrong with any of that?

    Is it the black girls you have an issue with? Or twerking? Or women having rights?

    I'm struggling to see what you find objectionable. Do you think it'd be better if women knew their place was in a kitchen with no control over their own bodies and wore a burqa if they went out in public?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    England doesn't need an Attorney General or Solicitor General anyway. One resigned, the other mo=ust get sacked.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited July 2022
    Just when I thought today couldn't get any more surreal and fucking ace and totally improbable.
    Shortly after 11pm the first open candidate for leader is.
    Suella Braverman!
    We need a Buddhist PM. Even one with no lineage.
    Go on. It'll be a laugh.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    This is really significant because @SuellaBraverman is one of the Spartans - the Conservative MPs who voted against Theresa May’s Brexit deal in every major vote. So difficult to say PM being challenged in a Remainer plot
    https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1544805461765013504
    https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1544803361555451905
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288

    Pro_Rata said:

    As stated before I registered a Conservative protest vote against Corbyn in the safe Labour seat of Huddersfield in 2019.

    I contributed to Boris's vote share, but felt no risk I would be contributing to his MP count or majority, which turned out correct.

    I had come to the conclusion, having gone LD in 2017 when there was a slight chance of a May landslide taking HD, that my vote hadn't been strong enough, and that taking an extra one off of the Labour majority by backing 2nd place, I was doing the most I could to get rid of Corbyn and aid the cause of a Social Democratic party of power.

    My GE19 vote was delivered, not by Brexit, but by the election of SKS as leader.

    Well done you.

    You need to go to its my fault corner.

    It's getting rather crowded over there.
    Hang on, there. I missed the thread in which you disavowed Boris.

    You'd have happily elected an actual real life Tory MP as recently as a month ago.

    I never resolved to do as much.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    OllyT said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.

    The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.

    When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.

    Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
    I do not understand this at all.
    My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
    No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.

    If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
    So you wasted your vote.

    At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
    Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?

    It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.

    The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did
    On the Contrary more equality, fairness, houses galore free Broadband, the NHS saved, a safer world or Boris.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    edited July 2022
    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Are there any Tory MPs not preparing to throw their hat into the ring for the leadership?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Now Justice PPS calls for PM to go too. That's at least 3 ministers/PPS who have publicly called on Boris Johnson to resign but are still in their jobs. More sackings to come tomorrow? https://twitter.com/JasonMcCartney/status/1544804610484932612
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    GIN1138 said:

    EPG said:

    Can someone check if one can prorogue the Conservative Party?

    Indeed.

    As entertaining as all this is for us anoraks on PB the Conservative Party is dragging the country into the gutter with these 3 yearly psychodrama's.

    First we had the fool Cameron playing Russian Roulette with the electorate in the referendum and then flouncing off when it blew up in his face.

    Then we had the dreaded Theresa May and the idiotic 2017 general election followed by all the paralysis of the 2017-2019 Parliament selfishly refusing the implement the referendum result and her eventual evisceration by the Tories.

    Now we have all the trauma of the end days of Boris...

    The Tory Party seems to think their own never ending soap opera is more important than the good governance of the country but I have a feeling people have lost patience now.

    Whoever replaces Johnson is done for I think... A majority Labour government and a period in Opposition for the Tories to sort themselves out seems the only sensible way forward after this six year shambles..
    What this really is, is the end point of the Tories' Europe obsession. Not Brexit. This goes way, way back to the 1990s when the fear of UKIP began to grip them and a sizeable and growing fraction of them would push the anti-Europe agenda to keep UKIPs tanks off the Tory lawn.

    And it worked, right up to 2016 when they saddled themselves with Brexit.

    And now we are here.

    What will the Tory Party look like next week? Next month? Next year.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    In tomorrow's Times I report that junior Conservative MPs are forming plans to back a "new generation" leadership candidate.

    Sources named three candidates they might back: Kemi Badenoch, Simon Clarke, Suella Braverman

    Great to have a story stood up so quickly!
    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544804946826125318
  • Scott_xP said:

    This is really significant because @SuellaBraverman is one of the Spartans - the Conservative MPs who voted against Theresa May’s Brexit deal in every major vote. So difficult to say PM being challenged in a Remainer plot
    https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1544805461765013504
    https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1544803361555451905

    Boris lost significant amounts of the Spartans due to the Covid restrictions, and especially extending them even post-vaccines.

    That was the beginning of the end of my support for him.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    HYUFD said:

    The @Telegraph report the whips’ office have crunched the numbers and worked out Boris Johnson would get just 65 confidence votes out of nearly 360 Tory MPs

    https://twitter.com/mrmkimber/status/1544799547658047489?s=21&t=NSean3Rc3lWFcIt0a6lFAA

    That's Jeremy Corbyn levels of Confidence.

    Of course Corbyn then spent four more years in office. Boris will be lucky to get four more days.
    65 MPs though is the difference between the Tory majority in the Commons and not.

    If Boris lost they would need to commit to support the new Tory leader as PM to avoid a general election
    They would. It's not even up for debate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    edited July 2022

    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312

    Portland is f##ked.

    https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1544670364701052930?s=20&t=RrsBM_xXfJozUZ-rqIvR9A
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    RH1992 said:

    Suella Braverman calling on Boris to resign live on Peston.

    Guessing she'll have to go or she might get the sack too.

    Just for giggles i hooe i wake up to Nadine and Mogg announcing its time to go and they are running on a timeshare for the top job. Nadine in the present and Mogg as Gladstone's replacement
    Correction - Moog as Duke of Buckingham's replacement. (The one who got fragged in 1628.)
  • OllyT said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.

    The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.

    When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.

    Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
    I do not understand this at all.
    My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
    No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.

    If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
    So you wasted your vote.

    At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
    Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?

    It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.

    The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did
    On the Contrary more equality, fairness, houses galore free Broadband, the NHS saved, a safer world or Boris.
    Yes, Boris then, if we must.

    Or we can vote Boris then dump him without getting any of the insanity you wanted.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Let me get this straight. We live in a world where the AG says the PM should resign, whilst in post….
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    Hancock on Peston. 🍿
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Hancock on the telly! “Hello everyone. You might remember me. What matter most? That Im handsome, smart and saved all your lives”.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    dixiedean said:

    Just when I thought today couldn't get any more surreal and fucking ace and totally improbable.
    Shortly after 11pm the first open candidate for leader is.
    Suella Braverman!
    We need a Buddhist PM. Even one with no lineage.
    Go on. It'll be a laugh.

    Jeez. These people are some kind of drug that is unavailable to the rest of us.

    Some kind of evil triple skunk laced with LSD.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?

    It's the BoZo playbook.

    "Sack me, if you want. Otherwise STFU, I'm staying..."
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361
    So I checked the constitution of the Conservative Party, and it states that:

    "89 For the avoidance of doubt but without prejudice to any of the provisions of this Part, matters of Parliamentary discipline (not touching or concerning the ethics and integrity of a Member of Parliament or Peer) shall at all times remain the responsibility of the Chief Whip in the House of Commons or House of Lords, as the case may be."

    The constitution also states that:

    "“Member of Parliament” means a Member of the House of Commons in receipt of the
    Conservative Whip;"
    - This implies that a sitting MP who is not in receipt of the Conservative Whip cannot apply to be selected as the candidate of their conservative association.

    So, who appoints the Chief Whip? The Parliament website makes reference to whips being appointed by their parties, but the government chief whip is also appointed as Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury, which would imply this is an office appointed by the PM.

    The Conservative Constitution doesn't appear to specify that the Chief Whip is appointed by the party leader. It's not clear to me who would be in charge of appointing the Chief Whip in the case that a new leader of the Conservative Party is elected, but the former leader and incumbent PM refuses to resign. I think Johnson might be in a position to remove the whip from the newly-elected leader of the Conservative Party, and thereby force their deselection as an official Conservative Party candidate for a subsequent general election.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    OllyT said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.

    The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.

    When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.

    Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
    I do not understand this at all.
    My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
    No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.

    If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
    So you wasted your vote.

    At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
    Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?

    It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.

    The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did
    On the Contrary more equality, fairness, houses galore free Broadband, the NHS saved, a safer world or Boris.
    Zelenskyy nuked by Polaris as a Ukrainian Nazi Jew?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312

    Portland is f##ked.

    https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1544670364701052930?s=20&t=RrsBM_xXfJozUZ-rqIvR9A
    In the 1990s it was one of the best cities in the United States to live in.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Oh well enjoyable day on PB draws to a close.

    With all the guilt ridden PB Tories frantically trying to find someone else to blame.

    I suggest you look in your mirrors.

    Goodnight.

    We all make mistakes as the dales said climbing off the dustbin
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    Boris has lost Hancock. It’s finally over.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    biggles said:

    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    darkage said:

    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
    .

    Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at

    You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
    I am probably in a minority of one.

    The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.


    Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.
    It's Farooq's fault everyone.
    Cwho effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.
    It's your fault

    Stop wriggling

    Examine your conscience deep down you know it.

    Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
    A corner of honour.

    Thing is, no one's wriggling.

    We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
    Yup. Boris could have shat through my letterbox and impregnated my wife and I’d still rather him than Corbyn.
    Are you sure he hasn't?

    Pleased to see you taking responsibility for the complete mess.

    The corner is over there on the extreme right
    Preposterous.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 2022
    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party while setting out his vision for the party
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Scott_xP said:

    In tomorrow's Times I report that junior Conservative MPs are forming plans to back a "new generation" leadership candidate.

    Sources named three candidates they might back: Kemi Badenoch, Simon Clarke, Suella Braverman

    Great to have a story stood up so quickly!
    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544804946826125318

    Simon Clarke or Suella Braverman.

    As serious candidates.

    Seriously?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Scott_xP said:

    Now Justice PPS calls for PM to go too. That's at least 3 ministers/PPS who have publicly called on Boris Johnson to resign but are still in their jobs. More sackings to come tomorrow? https://twitter.com/JasonMcCartney/status/1544804610484932612

    Have a hunch, that sacking and replacing top crown law officers may be more problematic than for run-of-the-mill politicos?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288

    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312

    Lol

    America is SO doomed. One shouldn’t laugh but I’d weep otherwise

    Also, isn’t he… Chinese? A big tubby American Chinese guy? The same Chinese that are slaughtering the Uyghurs and dominating Asia? And he calls her the “fucking coloniser”

    The Left has carefully constructed this madness
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    I'm afraid to go to bed in case JRM proposes to Claudia Webbe or summat.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312

    Portland is f##ked.

    https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1544670364701052930?s=20&t=RrsBM_xXfJozUZ-rqIvR9A
    Strange, couple of friends of mine were down there weekend before last, and had a whale of a time. Hanging out with non-PTSDed PDXers.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?

    Yes this makes no sense. We have Schrodinger’s Cabinet.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?

    "Consultancy" is all the rage. The working class are called agency workers.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    OllyT said:

    eek said:

    algarkirk said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.

    The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.

    When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.

    Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
    I do not understand this at all.
    My ballot paper in 2019 had five options for Bootle. I did not pick Labour or the Conservatives.
    No one was forced to pick between the two. Everyone had more than two choices.

    If people thought Johnson is bad but Corbyn is worse, so I'll vote Johnson, they clearly weren't looking at their ballot paper properly.
    So you wasted your vote.

    At every election I have the choice of 2 parties - either of the ones with a chance of winning the seat. Voting Lib Dem or green round here is a waste of a vote, do you end up voting for the least worst of the main parties.
    Don't you think that it's about time we did something about our electoral system if the best it can do is give us a choice between Corbyn and Johnson?

    It has always been a poor system but now that even that is dictated by a few thousand self-selected and often extremist party members then the system is not fit for purpose.

    The last election was a lose-lose situation whatever people did
    On the Contrary more equality, fairness, houses galore free Broadband, the NHS saved, a safer world or Boris.
    Yes, Boris then, if we must.

    Or we can vote Boris then dump him without getting any of the insanity you wanted.
    Which insanity?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    One of today’s many quitters gets in touch

    Buckle up!
    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544807796276879365/photo/1
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?

    IF Clown wants, he can sack them pronto, at least in theory. That that ain't happened yet, maybe that says something?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    Until he loses a VONC no, even though that is likely inevitable now
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    I can think of few people I'd rather stand against in an election than Suella Braverman. Best of luck to her.
    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1544807765276856320
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    The last August election was in 1895. Polling days were 13th July to 7th August.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1895_United_Kingdom_general_election
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    edited July 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312

    Portland is f##ked.

    https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1544670364701052930?s=20&t=RrsBM_xXfJozUZ-rqIvR9A
    In the 1990s it was one of the best cities in the United States to live in.
    Mrs U has relatives who live there so we have visited a lot. It always had the reputation of a bit whacky and very liberal / hippy dippy, but all in a good way.

    Now downtown become a total shit hole like LA / SF with the junkies and homeless everywhere, and then you have all the ANTIFA mob smashing shit up every other day (and during Trump the Proud Boys also turning up for a punch up), while the Mayor just shrugs and mutters about white privilege and the far right.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312

    At least no one shot anyone.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    Until he loses a VONC no, even though that is likely inevitable now
    Stop dodging the question minister!

    If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 698
    Braverman going really is the equivalent of Hermann Fegelein fleeing the bunker.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Scott_xP said:

    I can think of few people I'd rather stand against in an election than Suella Braverman. Best of luck to her.
    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1544807765276856320

    How did your leadership bid go, Jess?
  • moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.

    I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    Until he loses a VONC no, even though that is likely inevitable now
    Stop dodging the question minister!

    If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
    I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.

    However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    moonshine said:

    Hancock on the telly! “Hello everyone. You might remember me. What matter most? That Im handsome, smart and saved all your lives”.

    Nope. What matters is like your boss at the time you broke lockdown rules that every night you told us we must obey or face killing gran and also the full weight of the law.

    Tw*t.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,828
    How bad is the energy price situation? I've just looked at a chart on trading economics showing the price of gas coming right down.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Stereodog said:

    Braverman going really is the equivalent of Hermann Fegelein fleeing the bunker.

    I think that after this experience we now have a new reference point for political bunkers to replace that one. In future it will be “the PM is quite fucked but not Boris 2022 fucked”.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312

    Lol

    America is SO doomed. One shouldn’t laugh but I’d weep otherwise

    Also, isn’t he… Chinese? A big tubby American Chinese guy? The same Chinese that are slaughtering the Uyghurs and dominating Asia? And he calls her the “fucking coloniser”

    The Left has carefully constructed this madness
    Maybe these sorts of petty arguments were happening before but we didn't know about them before social media.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    Until he loses a VONC no, even though that is likely inevitable now
    Stop dodging the question minister!

    If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
    I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.

    However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go
    Fair dincome
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Johnson lost the plot after he ditched Marina. He needed Marina to tell him "the game's up you lying, philandering sack of ****!"
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Just a thought, but the judgement that led Braverman to declare a leadership bid while still in government when most are in bed and chaos is all about us is the same judgement that gives this government its legal advice. Sleep well everyone.
    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1544809243911536641
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728

    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    darkage said:

    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.

    There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.

    Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.

    You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
    I am probably in a minority of one.
    But I voted for labour in 2019, and actually regret not voting for Boris.
    Looking back, the danger was always infinetly greater with Corbyn than Boris. That is still true today.
    Can you imagine dealing with the situation in Ukraine with Corbyn as PM?
    There are far bigger issues than this 'trump lite' act of not leaving office when the game is probably up.
    The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.


    Yes, the bigger picture is you didn't have to vote for either of them. If you voted for Corbyn, you were a numpty.
    It's Farooq's fault everyone.
    Corbyn was fucking useless, his supporters trebly so, and had that not been the case we would not be where we are now. Plenty of blame to go round,, and definitely no shortage for lefty fannies who effectively arranged for phatboi to be elected unopposed.
    It's your fault

    Stop wriggling

    Examine your conscience deep down you know it.

    Naughty corner with Farooq and TOPPING for you.
    A corner of honour.

    Thing is, no one's wriggling.

    We or at least I am saying I am very happy I voted for Boris instead of Jezza. Delighted. Relieved. You name it. Not wriggling.
    Your fault.

    Glad you own it.
    Absolutely. And if the alternative were Corbyn again, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

    Your fault you put Corbyn up as the alternative.
    Some of us voted Lib Dem (having always voted Labour) because we thought they were both untrustworthy morons.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Andy_JS said:

    Are there any Tory MPs not preparing to throw their hat into the ring for the leadership?

    May?

    She's just waiting to be made caretaker PM.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    The tactical nuclear option for Johnson is to simply withdraw the whip from everyone who is against him.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Scott_xP said:

    Just a thought, but the judgement that led Braverman to declare a leadership bid while still in government when most are in bed and chaos is all about us is the same judgement that gives this government its legal advice. Sleep well everyone.
    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1544809243911536641

    Not really. She puts her name on it. That’s all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.

    I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.
    If Boris goes Wallace remains my preference as next leader
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    Until he loses a VONC no, even though that is likely inevitable now
    Stop dodging the question minister!

    If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
    I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.

    However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go
    If a majority of Cons MPs are against him and you are for him you know that that would mean you weren't a proper Tory.
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