I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall in Downing Street this evening. Most Cabinet members trying to calm Johnson's full-scale toddler tantrum, while Dorries and JRM fed him Sunny Delight and Red Bull, insisting he was a good little boy. Absolutely hilarious.
On Labour VoNCing him... why the hell would they? It doesn't automatically lead to a General Election, and tends to unite Conservatives. They are absolutely right to remain on the sidelines, chuck in a bit of petrol, and hope it burns all the way into next week. Every hour this continues makes ALL Conservative MPs seem more incompetent and unable to govern.
I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.
What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?
She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
She got involved in the Indyref in 2014.
She didn't, she told a few well wishers to 'think carefully' not even 'to vote No'
'Peter Hunt the BBC's Royal Correspondent at the time recalls how keen the Palace was to get the Queen's, "Off the Cuff", indy referendum remark onto the BBC. They phoned him to make sure it was aired.'
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Do stop being a complete and utter twerp. If he "cited his mandate" as a licence for him to, I dunno, sodomise a goat, would That Mean Me? The single vote most responsible for where we are today, out of a number of candidates, is the vote which put Corbyn in place. That means you, if you are generous enough to spring for a party membership.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
You don’t get the point of wanting Brexit. Anything and everything domestic (including all this Boris crap) is reversible. The EU’s actions were not.
I wish the inflation damage done to my sacings by his economic policy was reversible!
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
He may cite it, its still nonsense. Should we give credence to his skewed opinions?
No, not at all, but the time for that was before you made him prime minister.
The party elects a new leader, they now hold the confidence of the house. Removal vans at No. 10 on the double. Simply he will be forcibly removed from office if he doesn't go willingly.
Has the Queen actually sacked a PM and had to literally remove the seals of office or whatever and send security to Downing Street to cart one away?
Always a first time even when you are 96.
I suggest they take him via the nearest hospital because he is now very mentally unwell.
He isn't. He's a sociopath. The difference now is he's under threat. It's textbook behaviour. Just as Trump has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Democrats like to say no one needs an AR-15 for self defence. That no one could possibly need all 30 rounds.
But when this rifle is the only thing standing between your family and a dozen angry democrats in Klan hoods, you just might need that semi automatic. And all 30 rounds.
First thought is that I wouldn't vote for that lunatic, but I might watch that movie.
Second though it is holy shit, politicians are outright talking about being attacked by and needing to gun down their political opponents!
Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.
Gove was also doing reasonably well at sorting out the cladding crisis. Going after the companies who constructed the sub-standard buildings, rather than the poor leaseholders who bought them. The stuff he was coming up to solve the crisis wasn't perfect, but way, way, way better than the loathesome Jenrick who came before him.
Gove's attitude towards the whole cladding / leasehold debacle warmed me to him substantially. One of the few front line politicians of the Johnson era I actually respect.
He was the same at Justice (reversing the idiotic decision about banning books in prisons) and at Environment. Well respected by all sides and made a real effort to understand the issues before making decisions. I think Nick Palmer of this parish had a lot of time for him at Environment.
I know he fell down at Education but I kind of see that one as a no win anyway for Ministers.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
He may cite it, its still nonsense. Should we give credence to his skewed opinions?
No, not at all, but the time for that was before you made him prime minister.
Rt Hon Andrew Murrison MP @AWMurrison · 26m The situation is now getting out of hand. Absolute duty of remaining ministers in Mr Johnson’s rump government to quit. Nobody making the positive choice to remain should feature in the upcoming leadership contest.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
James Forsyth @JGForsyth · 15m But despite Johnson’s determination to fight, he is still going to go down. Tory MPs are looking on in horror tonight. They will elect an executive that is prepared to change the rules and those rules will then be changed ASAP
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Do stop being a complete and utter twerp. If he "cited his mandate" as a licence for him to, I dunno, sodomise a goat, would That Mean Me? The single vote most responsible for where we are today, out of a number of candidates, is the vote which put Corbyn in place. That means you, if you are generous enough to spring for a party membership.
So in your world someone consistently voting against Boris is responsible, but voting for him you have none. Interesting argument. If only we had been better at stopping you. Give me a break.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
But that's not why you didn't vote for him, is it? Have you ever voted Conservative because the party leader looked to you demonstrably suited to be pm?
I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.
What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?
She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
She got involved in the Indyref in 2014.
She didn't, she told a few well wishers to 'think carefully' not even 'to vote No'
'Peter Hunt the BBC's Royal Correspondent at the time recalls how keen the Palace was to get the Queen's, "Off the Cuff", indy referendum remark onto the BBC. They phoned him to make sure it was aired.'
Rt Hon Andrew Murrison MP @AWMurrison · 26m The situation is now getting out of hand. Absolute duty of remaining ministers in Mr Johnson’s rump government to quit. Nobody making the positive choice to remain should feature in the upcoming leadership contest.
This makes my point about escalation of the dissent - a longstanding loyalist and Boris supporter eventually quits, despite backing him only weeks ago (we can assume, since he didn't quit his trade envoy post then), and in the space of a day is not only against Boris but anyone remaining in the Cabinet.
That is the damage Boris is doing by being stubborn.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall in Downing Street this evening. Most Cabinet members trying to calm Johnson's full-scale toddler tantrum, while Dorries and JRM fed him Sunny Delight and Red Bull, insisting he was a good little boy. Absolutely hilarious.
On Labour VoNCing him... why the hell would they? It doesn't automatically lead to a General Election, and tends to unite Conservatives. They are absolutely right to remain on the sidelines, chuck in a bit of petrol, and hope it burns all the way into next week. Every hour this continues makes ALL Conservative MPs seem more incompetent and unable to govern.
Yes if I was Starmer I’d start flooding Parliament with popular motions I could present as being more focused on helping the public while the Gvt is distracted.
James Forsyth @JGForsyth · 15m But despite Johnson’s determination to fight, he is still going to go down. Tory MPs are looking on in horror tonight. They will elect an executive that is prepared to change the rules and those rules will then be changed ASAP
Well. On Monday anyways. Unless summat better comes up.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Do stop being a complete and utter twerp. If he "cited his mandate" as a licence for him to, I dunno, sodomise a goat, would That Mean Me? The single vote most responsible for where we are today, out of a number of candidates, is the vote which put Corbyn in place. That means you, if you are generous enough to spring for a party membership.
So in your world someone consistently voting against Boris is responsible, but voting for him you have none. Interesting argument. If only we had been better at stopping you. Give me a break.
You are a thick, useless leftie. If you had offered a non-joke candidate in 2019 I would have voted for them. So, yes, if only you had been better at stopping Boris. I don't see why you think there is anything witty or paradoxical about that.
Just wanted to note a post by @Richard_Tyndall at the end of the last thread which I'm guessing most people will have missed. Well said. There is a great deal of difference between bullying and responding to another's post. If people post here they should expect responses as long as it relates to the contents of the post
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
Rt Hon Andrew Murrison MP @AWMurrison · 26m The situation is now getting out of hand. Absolute duty of remaining ministers in Mr Johnson’s rump government to quit. Nobody making the positive choice to remain should feature in the upcoming leadership contest.
When you start using phrases like "rump government" you're getting into interesting territory.
I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
I agree BUT, I voted LD knowing full well that Boris would win. It was zero cost.
In a forced choice, I would have had to vote Tory. Seamus Milne was/is deeply, deeply sinister. Others, too.
Milne is indeed, no argument from me. But Cummings is just as bad in my book.
Forced choice, Tory v Labour, 2019? I'd have torn my ballot to pieces. Luckily not one person in the whole country was forced to choose between just those two.
It's classic game theory. I blabbed. Too dangerous to trust my fellow man. The stakes were too high imo.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
But he wasn't Corbyn so I voted for him.
Foolish.
Corbyn would let Ukraine twist in the wind.
Voting for anybody supporting THAT would have been foolish.
Rt Hon Andrew Murrison MP @AWMurrison · 26m The situation is now getting out of hand. Absolute duty of remaining ministers in Mr Johnson’s rump government to quit. Nobody making the positive choice to remain should feature in the upcoming leadership contest.
“Extricate yourself from Boris’s rump” has a certain ring to it as a slogan.
I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.
What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?
She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
She got involved in the Indyref in 2014.
She didn't, she told a few well wishers to 'think carefully' not even 'to vote No'
'Peter Hunt the BBC's Royal Correspondent at the time recalls how keen the Palace was to get the Queen's, "Off the Cuff", indy referendum remark onto the BBC. They phoned him to make sure it was aired.'
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.
The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
Rt Hon Andrew Murrison MP @AWMurrison · 26m The situation is now getting out of hand. Absolute duty of remaining ministers in Mr Johnson’s rump government to quit. Nobody making the positive choice to remain should feature in the upcoming leadership contest.
“Extricate yourself from Boris’s rump” has a certain ring to it as a slogan.
I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
A bizarre response to a lifelong Lib Dem who would sooner have downed a pint of vomit than vote for Boris Johnson.
We all knew he was a wrongun. But I thought he’d go when the writing was on the wall, as he did in 2016.
I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
You don’t get the point of wanting Brexit. Anything and everything domestic (including all this Boris crap) is reversible. The EU’s actions were not.
Demonstrably, EU membership was and is reversible.
It was designed not to be - ask the draftsman of Article 50.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Do stop being a complete and utter twerp. If he "cited his mandate" as a licence for him to, I dunno, sodomise a goat, would That Mean Me? The single vote most responsible for where we are today, out of a number of candidates, is the vote which put Corbyn in place. That means you, if you are generous enough to spring for a party membership.
So in your world someone consistently voting against Boris is responsible, but voting for him you have none. Interesting argument. If only we had been better at stopping you. Give me a break.
You are a thick, useless leftie. If you had offered a non-joke candidate in 2019 I would have voted for them. So, yes, if only you had been better at stopping Boris. I don't see why you think there is anything witty or paradoxical about that.
It's a bit rough blaming @jonathan for not being better at stopping Boris when the entire Parliamentary Conservative party seems unable to do so.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.
The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
Abstaining doesn't mean a decision won't be made. It means you can have no complaints whatsoever about the result.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 4m The most loyal Boris supporting back-bencher I know has just told me “he has to be gone by midnight”.
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How?
Now, I'm not saying he's making it up, but if you are a rock solid loyal Boris supporting backbencher, you text a message about Boris needing to go to Dan Hodges why?
I understood why Cabinet ministers weren't going last night. Appeal for unity, conversations behind the scenes, giving the PM a dignified way out etc.
But (other than genuine, hardcore supporters like Dorries and JRM who'd not get a job from anyone else) it seems crackers now. They have failed to talk him into a dignified exit, and he's chosen to leave the undignified way, probably all the way up to smearing a dirty protest all over Carrie's vulgar wallpaper for his successor to sponge off.
If they don't go now, they look both impotent and complicit. And they have Sajid Javid's "not doing something is an active decision" to haunt the remainder of their careers.
If they think they can sit it out quietly and escape with their careers, they are absolutely kidding themselves.
They are DEEEP into the wine suitcase in No 10 tonight
James Duddridge argues to @julie_etch on News at Ten that in another two weeks Boris Johnson will have rebuilt his support among the party because MPs will see the changes he’s made. Problem is he’s promised those changes before. https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544795399382335488
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
But he wasn't Corbyn so I voted for him.
Foolish.
Corbyn would let Ukraine twist in the wind.
Voting for anybody supporting THAT would have been foolish.
If you don’t like Corbyn don’t vote for him, but that never meant you had to vote forBoris.
They are DEEEP into the wine suitcase in No 10 tonight
James Duddridge argues to @julie_etch on News at Ten that in another two weeks Boris Johnson will have rebuilt his support among the party because MPs will see the changes he’s made. Problem is he’s promised those changes before. https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544795399382335488
How he's kept selling them the same dream for so long I do not know. But, belatedly, his latest attempts are merely waking them up.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
But he wasn't Corbyn so I voted for him.
Foolish.
Corbyn would let Ukraine twist in the wind.
Voting for anybody supporting THAT would have been foolish.
If you don’t like Corbyn don’t vote for him, but that never meant you had to vote forBoris.
You do know how general elections, and in particular general elections in the UK work, don't you?
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
But he wasn't Corbyn so I voted for him.
Foolish.
Corbyn would let Ukraine twist in the wind.
Voting for anybody supporting THAT would have been foolish.
If you don’t like Corbyn don’t vote for him, but that never meant you had to vote forBoris.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
But he wasn't Corbyn so I voted for him.
Foolish.
Corbyn would let Ukraine twist in the wind.
Voting for anybody supporting THAT would have been foolish.
If you don’t like Corbyn don’t vote for him, but that never meant you had to vote forBoris.
You do know how general elections, and in particular general elections in the UK work, don't you?
Indeed, do you? If you vote for the buggers it only encourages them.
I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
You don’t get the point of wanting Brexit. Anything and everything domestic (including all this Boris crap) is reversible. The EU’s actions were not.
Demonstrably, EU membership was and is reversible.
It was designed not to be - ask the draftsman of Article 50.
Designed to make it difficult if I recall correctly.
So, here's a theory of 2 + 2 making 5. But bear with me.
Why doesn't Boris want to quit? When it's obvious that he should.
1. We all know that Carrie wields significant power. Cf the wallpaper, the Cummings debacle, the Abba parties at number 10, etc.
2. We can surmise that Carrie is attracted to power. The BJ incident, etc.
3. The twitter rumours about Carrie and Boris's relationship being on the rocks. Carrie thinking of leaving him for a much richer man, etc. Even if it's not true, the fact is it must be in Boris's head. What happens when he's no longer PM? Does the aphrodisiac wear off?
4. Assume that Boris is competing for the affections of his wife with a man (or men) much richer than he is. What Boris has is power. He can't compete, financially, but he is the PM.
5. So what if he's not the PM? He loses everything. Not just his job, but his wife, family, his - dare I go a bit SeanT - his sexual obsession.
Therefore. He clings on to power by his final fingertip, because it is all he has going for him. For the thing he really wants, which is his wife's affection.
As I say, it is a 2 + 2 = 5 analysis, but it fits with what we know, and explains the bizarre behaviour. Anyone else would see the writing on the wall and go. So why is Boris so keen to cling on to power? To understand a person, understand their objectives, their passions, their obsessions. If Carrie is Boris's obsession, then clinging on to power is his only choice.
James Forsyth @JGForsyth · 9m Tories now heading to a rule change and a no confidence ballot. But some think that could be cathartic for the party, that a heavy defeat for Johnson could make it easier to bring the party back together
They are DEEEP into the wine suitcase in No 10 tonight
James Duddridge argues to @julie_etch on News at Ten that in another two weeks Boris Johnson will have rebuilt his support among the party because MPs will see the changes he’s made. Problem is he’s promised those changes before. https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544795399382335488
Anyone falling for "I can change" is going to end up as disappointed as every one of his partners and wives.
I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.
There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.
You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
I am probably in a minority of one. But I voted for labour in 2019, and actually regret not voting for Boris. Looking back, the danger was always infinetly greater with Corbyn than Boris. That is still true today. Can you imagine dealing with the situation in Ukraine with Corbyn as PM? There are far bigger issues than this 'trump lite' act of not leaving office when the game is probably up. The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.
So, here's a theory of 2 + 2 making 5. But bear with me.
Why doesn't Boris want to quit? When it's obvious that he should.
1. We all know that Carrie wields significant power. Cf the wallpaper, the Cummings debacle, the Abba parties at number 10, etc.
2. We can surmise that Carrie is attracted to power. The BJ incident, etc.
3. The twitter rumours about Carrie and Boris's relationship being on the rocks. Carrie thinking of leaving him for a much richer man, etc. Even if it's not true, the fact is it must be in Boris's head. What happens when he's no longer PM? Does the aphrodisiac wear off?
4. Assume that Boris is competing for the affections of his wife with a man (or men) much richer than he is. What Boris has is power. He can't compete, financially, but he is the PM.
5. So what if he's not the PM? He loses everything. Not just his job, but his wife, family, his - dare I go a bit SeanT - his sexual obsession.
Therefore. He clings on to power by his final fingertip, because it is all he has going for him. For the thing he really wants, which is his wife's affection.
As I say, it is a 2 + 2 = 5 analysis, but it fits with what we know, and explains the bizarre behaviour. Anyone else would see the writing on the wall and go. So why is Boris so keen to cling on to power? To understand a person, understand their objectives, their passions, their obsessions. If Carrie is Boris's obsession, then clinging on to power is his only choice.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Do stop being a complete and utter twerp. If he "cited his mandate" as a licence for him to, I dunno, sodomise a goat, would That Mean Me? The single vote most responsible for where we are today, out of a number of candidates, is the vote which put Corbyn in place. That means you, if you are generous enough to spring for a party membership.
So in your world someone consistently voting against Boris is responsible, but voting for him you have none. Interesting argument. If only we had been better at stopping you. Give me a break.
You are a thick, useless leftie. If you had offered a non-joke candidate in 2019 I would have voted for them. So, yes, if only you had been better at stopping Boris. I don't see why you think there is anything witty or paradoxical about that.
It's a bit rough blaming @jonathan for not being better at stopping Boris when the entire Parliamentary Conservative party seems unable to do so.
We can take one comfort from current events: those taking Boris's shilling have no future role in Conservative government.
Those saying the next leader and PM has to come from outside Cabinet are right - certainly in the Cabinet as it is constituted tonight.
A majority of 70-odd allows the new PM to clean out the Augean stables.
Up to Tory members to decide if one of Johnson's Cabinet gets to the final 2
Utter nonsense
It is conservative mps who will decide the final 2 not members
You need a rest if you cannot get this basic fact right
And if Tory MPs put one of Johnson's Cabinet or Ministers eg Wallace, Truss or Mordaunt in the final 2 then members will decide if they become next leader or not even if say Sunak or Hunt tops the MPs ballot
James Forsyth @JGForsyth · 9m Tories now heading to a rule change and a no confidence ballot. But some think that could be cathartic for the party, that a heavy defeat for Johnson could make it easier to bring the party back together
Seems everyone is hoping that someone else will do the dirty deed
Shehab Khan ITV @ShehabKhan · 8m Cabinet clearly don’t want to move just yet.
1922 sources tell me they ideally wanted cabinet to move and sort this so they wouldn’t have to change the rules (obviously not a great look to do that).
Boris Johnson’s position right now is to try and call everyone’s bluff.
James Forsyth @JGForsyth · 9m Tories now heading to a rule change and a no confidence ballot. But some think that could be cathartic for the party, that a heavy defeat for Johnson could make it easier to bring the party back together
Westminster bars have done good business tonight. Anyway, good impartial commentary from the best man of the leading candidate to replace the PM as leader of our definitely not a Banana Republic.
Someone on Twitter has just asked if Oryx (the guy who verifies the Russian and Ukrainian military losses) can do a separate overview of the losses of British ministers in the current crisis
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.
Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
General election, 2019. Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.
If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
Yes and he is of course wrong.
Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.
At least I never voted for the bugger. He was demonstrably unsuited to be pm.
OF COURSE HE WAS DEMONSTRABLY UNSUITED TO BE PM.
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
But he wasn't Corbyn so I voted for him.
Foolish.
Corbyn would let Ukraine twist in the wind.
Voting for anybody supporting THAT would have been foolish.
If you don’t like Corbyn don’t vote for him, but that never meant you had to vote forBoris.
You do know how general elections, and in particular general elections in the UK work, don't you?
If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.
Parliament doesn't sit on Fridays. If he VONCed tomorrow, it would not be voted upon until Monday. A lot of damage can be done between now and then.
Speaker and House can call a sitting.
As I have said a lot earlier - only a full vote of House will now end this.
British Trump is now attempting a coup and he must be stopped.
Then someone (who? Brady?) needs to call Starmer tonight and get him onside. Parliamentary VONC has to be called for tomorrow, and the Conservatives need to be whipped to support the opposition.
Deal with the fallout, and whether a GE follows AFTERWARDS.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
Fuck him, he voted for this prick
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.
The rational decision was to do what I did and spoil your ballot. If you could not bring yourself to vote for one of the smaller parties either that is.
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
Abstaining doesn't mean a decision won't be made. It means you can have no complaints whatsoever about the result.
It does mean that neither will be able to claim you as part of their “mandate”. I’m with Richard on this.
Someone on Twitter has just asked if Oryx (the guy who verifies the Russian and Ukrainian military losses) can do a separate overview of the losses of British ministers in the current crisis
I asked one of the Covid-19 stats guys to calculate the R-rate for ministerial resignations.
At that point even I would say he would have to go but we are not there yet
Do you think he should hang on?
Until the 1922 change the rules and he loses a VONC happens yes.
If both those events occur then at the point he should go
Don't you think what he's doing lacks dignity? I just had a text from a friend saying they're laughing at him on Israeli radio and their ex leader is on trial for corruption.
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On Labour VoNCing him... why the hell would they? It doesn't automatically lead to a General Election, and tends to unite Conservatives. They are absolutely right to remain on the sidelines, chuck in a bit of petrol, and hope it burns all the way into next week. Every hour this continues makes ALL Conservative MPs seem more incompetent and unable to govern.
Those saying the next leader and PM has to come from outside Cabinet are right - certainly in the Cabinet as it is constituted tonight.
A majority of 70-odd allows the new PM to clean out the Augean stables.
He's a sociopath.
The difference now is he's under threat.
It's textbook behaviour.
Just as Trump has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
But when this rifle is the only thing standing between your family and a dozen angry democrats in Klan hoods, you just might need that semi automatic. And all 30 rounds.
First thought is that I wouldn't vote for that lunatic, but I might watch that movie.
Second though it is holy shit, politicians are outright talking about being attacked by and needing to gun down their political opponents!
A recipe for harmonious discourse indeed.
I know he fell down at Education but I kind of see that one as a no win anyway for Ministers.
Rt Hon Andrew Murrison MP
@AWMurrison
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The situation is now getting out of hand.
Absolute duty of remaining ministers in Mr Johnson’s rump government to quit.
Nobody making the positive choice to remain should feature in the upcoming leadership contest.
Not saying it's been an eventful day but @BBCRosAtkins explainer video is longer than Zack Snyder's Justice League director's cut
https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1544792075107008514
But he wasn't Corbyn.
Go back to my earliest posts on the subject and you will find me violently agreeing with you.
But he wasn't Corbyn so I voted for him.
James Forsyth
@JGForsyth
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15m
But despite Johnson’s determination to fight, he is still going to go down. Tory MPs are looking on in horror tonight. They will elect an executive that is prepared to change the rules and those rules will then be changed ASAP
That is the damage Boris is doing by being stubborn.
https://thecritic.co.uk/author/christopher-pincher/
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544787097566994432?t=XDDkmEqHwf0cwrTvKRjcHQ&s=19
Unless summat better comes up.
Incredible.
No one left in this Downfall Cabinet should ever be allowed near government again.
He does put me in mind of the short dude from Line of Duty for some reason though.
Simple as that guys.
96 minutes and counting.....
Voting for anybody supporting THAT would have been foolish.
https://twitter.com/KwajoHousing/status/1544785815389306881
Thanks.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544793914267373568
And yet, at midnight, BoZo will still be PM
When you have two unacceptable choices, picking either one is not the logical action. refusing to pick either is the only sensible choice.
Of course this is based on the premise that both Johnson and Corbyn were as bad as each other. I know a lot of people didn't think that at the time which is why I will not berate them in the way Farooq does. But for me it seemed inevitable that where we are now was where we end up with Johnson in charge (generally rather than specifically) so the only sensible choice was to abstain.
@DPJHodges
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The most loyal Boris supporting back-bencher I know has just told me “he has to be gone by midnight”.
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How?
"lying wazzock" agony aunt special ...
https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1544794921688776705
We all knew he was a wrongun. But I thought he’d go when the writing was on the wall, as he did in 2016.
It is conservative mps who will decide the final 2 not members
You need a rest if you cannot get this basic fact right
But (other than genuine, hardcore supporters like Dorries and JRM who'd not get a job from anyone else) it seems crackers now. They have failed to talk him into a dignified exit, and he's chosen to leave the undignified way, probably all the way up to smearing a dirty protest all over Carrie's vulgar wallpaper for his successor to sponge off.
If they don't go now, they look both impotent and complicit. And they have Sajid Javid's "not doing something is an active decision" to haunt the remainder of their careers.
If they think they can sit it out quietly and escape with their careers, they are absolutely kidding themselves.
James Duddridge argues to @julie_etch on News at Ten that in another two weeks Boris Johnson will have rebuilt his support among the party because MPs will see the changes he’s made. Problem is he’s promised those changes before.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1544795399382335488
Why doesn't Boris want to quit? When it's obvious that he should.
1. We all know that Carrie wields significant power. Cf the wallpaper, the Cummings debacle, the Abba parties at number 10, etc.
2. We can surmise that Carrie is attracted to power. The BJ incident, etc.
3. The twitter rumours about Carrie and Boris's relationship being on the rocks. Carrie thinking of leaving him for a much richer man, etc. Even if it's not true, the fact is it must be in Boris's head. What happens when he's no longer PM? Does the aphrodisiac wear off?
4. Assume that Boris is competing for the affections of his wife with a man (or men) much richer than he is. What Boris has is power. He can't compete, financially, but he is the PM.
5. So what if he's not the PM? He loses everything. Not just his job, but his wife, family, his - dare I go a bit SeanT - his sexual obsession.
Therefore. He clings on to power by his final fingertip, because it is all he has going for him. For the thing he really wants, which is his wife's affection.
As I say, it is a 2 + 2 = 5 analysis, but it fits with what we know, and explains the bizarre behaviour. Anyone else would see the writing on the wall and go. So why is Boris so keen to cling on to power? To understand a person, understand their objectives, their passions, their obsessions. If Carrie is Boris's obsession, then clinging on to power is his only choice.
What wouldn't we give to have Laura K back. Chris Mason is just not up to it. No insight at all
@JGForsyth
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Tories now heading to a rule change and a no confidence ballot. But some think that could be cathartic for the party, that a heavy defeat for Johnson could make it easier to bring the party back together
But I voted for labour in 2019, and actually regret not voting for Boris.
Looking back, the danger was always infinetly greater with Corbyn than Boris. That is still true today.
Can you imagine dealing with the situation in Ukraine with Corbyn as PM?
There are far bigger issues than this 'trump lite' act of not leaving office when the game is probably up.
The problems with lying etc are not good, but there is a much bigger picture.
Is that not the norm?
Could you call for one first thing to happen that day?
Shehab Khan ITV
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Cabinet clearly don’t want to move just yet.
1922 sources tell me they ideally wanted cabinet to move and sort this so they wouldn’t have to change the rules (obviously not a great look to do that).
Boris Johnson’s position right now is to try and call everyone’s bluff.
I am completely in the clear.
Those who voted for Boris are responsible.
No wriggling out.
Deal with the fallout, and whether a GE follows AFTERWARDS.
I’m with Richard on this.
But I am not an expert and could be wrong.