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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774

    What do we want?

    Leadsom for leader...

    That was Mordaunt’s last bright idea.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,141
    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country," Mr Duddridge said.

    "I expect him to make senior cabinet appointments this evening and am looking forward to hearing what the PM and his fantastic Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi have to say tomorrow."

    He initially said there would be a joint plan for the economy laid out by Mr Johnson and Mr Zahawi tomorrow, but moments later said it would be next week."

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-12593360

    Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if someone just put a bullet in his head.
  • KeystoneKeystone Posts: 127
    Time for that Bruno Ganz clip of Hitler in the bunker to be re-edited.

    What a pitiful spectacle.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    Andy_JS said:

    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    Advised by whom?
    Sir Graham Brady?
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,280
    Anybody fancy a ministerial position and a place in the House of Lords? Think Johnson will take any fool right now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country," Mr Duddridge said.

    "I expect him to make senior cabinet appointments this evening and am looking forward to hearing what the PM and his fantastic Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi have to say tomorrow."

    He initially said there would be a joint plan for the economy laid out by Mr Johnson and Mr Zahawi tomorrow, but moments later said it would be next week."

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-12593360

    Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if someone just put a bullet in his head.
    Bit of a waste. It would need to go in his arse to do any good.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,048
    dixiedean said:

    Heathener said:

    As I mentioned, because we have no written constitution it all rather depends on people acting honourably. Which is pretty awkward right now.

    But what about insanity?

    If a PM goes insane, what happens?

    He isn't insane.
    He's a sociopath. He checks the boxes.
    https://www.choosingtherapy.com/signs-of-a-sociopath/

    1. A Hunger for Power & Dominance
    2. Devious or Deceptive Tendencies
    3. Ruthlessness in the Pursuit of Their Goals
    4. Hostile or Aggressive Towards Others
    5. Easily Angered or Irritated
    6. Irresponsible Decision Making
    7. Superficial Charm & Powers of Persuasion
    8. Broken Moral Compass or Limited Conscience
    9. Few Close Bonds or Relationships
    10. Manipulative Tendencies
    11. Entitlement & Impunity
    12. Socially Deviant
    13. Cheap Thrill-Seeking Tendencies
    14. Opportunistic in all the Wrong Ways
    15. Emotional Detachment

    I can't see anything there that reminds me of BJ :innocent:
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country," Mr Duddridge said.

    "I expect him to make senior cabinet appointments this evening and am looking forward to hearing what the PM and his fantastic Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi have to say tomorrow."

    He initially said there would be a joint plan for the economy laid out by Mr Johnson and Mr Zahawi tomorrow, but moments later said it would be next week."

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-12593360

    Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if someone just put a bullet in his head.
    Enough of your lefty remoaner nonsense, oh.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Jonathan said:

    Too much Gove will kill you.

    I can say nothing to you but repeat what I heard
    That Gove is just a four-letter word
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,696
    Well, I gave up waiting for Johnson to quit and went and watched Ms Marvel ep. 4 instead. Good stuff.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Having survived today, I'm struggling to believe Boris is going to go quietly if/when the 1922 change the rules next week and the Tories finally no confidence him.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.

    Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?
    Nero appointed his horse.
    I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
    I believe that it was actually Caligula who made his horse a consul.

    Does Johnson more closely resemble Nero or Caligula? Discuss.
    Answer is Incitatus, incidentally just named Minister without Portfolio but with Feedbag.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited July 2022

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    I wrote about this on the previous thread. All it would take would be Sir Beer Korma sharing a platform with Sir Graham Brady Old Lady and clearly telling the public that Labour won’t seek a GE - they are just doing it for national interest.
    Look what happened the last time Labour got together with the Tories on the same platform of 'national interest'. In Scotland in 2014. And what happened in 2015.

    If any party should commit electoral suicide, it should be the Tories. Their chunder, their need to clean up the technicolor yawn.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    Jonathan said:

    Too much Gove will kill you.

    Gove kills
    Drills you through your heart
    Gove kills
    Scars you from the start
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,277
    edited July 2022
    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    Why? Her Majesty will be putting her feet up watching Midsomer Murders on repeat telling the Tory Party it is up to them to remove their leader not her and Boris he cannot have a general election without a parliamentary vote first.

    She will then let them fight it out between them while she watches Wimbledon tomorrow on TV and tell them to call back once one of them has won
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Because the rules were different and she did face a second vote at once.

    The first job of the new 1922 committee is to take a long, hard look at their rule book.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412
    Is there anything in the recall petition rules that allows the voters of Uxbridge to rid us of this troublesome beast?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    ydoethur said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.

    Gove was also doing reasonably well at sorting out the cladding crisis. Going after the companies who constructed the sub-standard buildings, rather than the poor leaseholders who bought them. The stuff he was coming up to solve the crisis wasn't perfect, but way, way, way better than the loathesome Jenrick who came before him.

    Gove's attitude towards the whole cladding / leasehold debacle warmed me to him substantially. One of the few front line politicians of the Johnson era I actually respect.
    Gove is a great loss to the civil service. He’s an excellent executive who plans well, is across his brief, and devises and executes good plans well. Sadly, when put in a position he’s ideologically blinkered over he executes terrible plans to perfection.

    Executes, yes. Devises, rather less so.

    The other issue is his utter inflexibility, which isn't just ideology. He genuinely believes he and his mates are brilliant and experts are thick.
    I think that’s unfair, Gove has genuinely good ideas from time to time and he is quite smart. It’s just when he gets his teeth into a bad idea you know he’ll see it through to the stupid conclusion.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,171
    "@NadineDorries

    The PM’s priority is to stabilise the government, set a clear direction for the country and continue to deliver on the promises he made and the British public voted for.

    9:28 PM · Jul 6, 2022"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1544780226307264512
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government
    https://twitter.com/richardmorrisuk/status/1544780501390692357
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    Charles would probably have made his views clear in a public broadcast weeks ago but she is wider and she'll need political cover first.

    So the 1922 voting no confidence and Boris refusing to go, or a VoNC in HMG in the House but an alternative government being immediately offered to her so she can deny a general election until the new leader/PM is in place and taken a view.

    Honestly, the shit she has to deal with aged 96.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,360

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    I wrote about this on the previous thread. All it would take would be Sir Beer Korma sharing a platform with Sir Graham Brady Old Lady and clearly telling the public that Labour won’t seek a GE - they are just doing it for national interest.
    Yes. But following a VONC it is Boris who goes to HM not GB or SKS. HM may or may not dissolve parliament. Especially as there is no clear person to call for to form a government (Tories all over the place on this) GE probably the only option.

    (Bring it on).

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Scott_xP said:

    I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government
    https://twitter.com/richardmorrisuk/status/1544780501390692357

    I think there's only one in Education as well.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,912
    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    I think the prism of 24 hour news changes impressions. It took two attempts to get Thatcher and the second time around she was going to go “on and on”. This is day one of attempt two on Boris.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,171
    I wonder if Boris is a fan of Downfall.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    LOL!
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Andy_JS said:

    "@NadineDorries

    The PM’s priority is to stabilise the government, set a clear direction for the country and continue to deliver on the promises he made and the British public voted for.

    9:28 PM · Jul 6, 2022"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1544780226307264512

    I think she’s been replaced by a Twitter bot set to randomise supportive platitudes at this point.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    edited July 2022
    Thing is this is always how it has to be. You fire a bunch of people for one reason (Brexit to start with) and then you realise that the only way you can try to remain in control is to keep on firing them.

    Because you have no compelling arguments or in this case policies.

    Plus you are a lying scumbag, obvs.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,360
    boulay said:

    Is there anything in the recall petition rules that allows the voters of Uxbridge to rid us of this troublesome beast?

    No.
  • JonWCJonWC Posts: 287
    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country," Mr Duddridge said.

    "I expect him to make senior cabinet appointments this evening and am looking forward to hearing what the PM and his fantastic Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi have to say tomorrow."

    He initially said there would be a joint plan for the economy laid out by Mr Johnson and Mr Zahawi tomorrow, but moments later said it would be next week."

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-12593360

    Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if someone just put a bullet in his head.
    Well a tranquiliser gun seems humane. I know Boris is a keen student of the classics but not sure Caligula is the model I'd have gone for.

    Come to think of it Incitatus probably puts Nad to shame in administrative competence and just as loyal if you have a sack of carrots.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    edited July 2022

    I have little sympathy for supposed Tories who enabled Boris to power. The Big Gs and Casino Royales.

    It was always going to end like this.

    Um, I voted for Hunt.

    I did vote Tory in the 2019GE, like millions of others, because the alternative was Corbyn and my local MP was Damian Hinds - who's sane.
    Ok, acknowledged. I stand corrected.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    TBF, that's something I'm actually quite pleased about.

    Especially since it surely destroys his chances of survival.

    Incidentally, Gove is of course the only person left to have served continuously since 2010, although he was briefly technically outside the cabinet in 2014-15.
  • boulay said:

    Is there anything in the recall petition rules that allows the voters of Uxbridge to rid us of this troublesome beast?

    Not at this stage. Potentially, he may be suspended from the House for ten days or more for misleading Parliament over Partygate. But that's some way off, and he'll be long gone by then.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    Well it shows Boris Johnson's commitment to levelling up.

    I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government

    https://twitter.com/richardmorrisuk/status/1544780501390692357

    The Cons are levelling up or they are nothing and they have failed, and it looks like they will continue to fail to level up.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708
    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    TBF, that's something I'm actually quite pleased about.

    Especially since it surely destroys his chances of survival.

    Incidentally, Gove is of course the only person left to have served continuously since 2010, although he was briefly technically outside the cabinet in 2014-15.
    He was sacked by Theresa May.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    edited July 2022
    ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    TBF, that's something I'm actually quite pleased about.

    Especially since it surely destroys his chances of survival.

    Incidentally, Gove is of course the only person left to have served continuously since 2010, although he was briefly technically outside the cabinet in 2014-15.
    Nah, he didn't serve between July 2016 and June 2017.

    Mrs May fired him from the cabinet/government when she became PM.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    So what endgames are there?

    1. Starmer vonc
    2. Some 1922 contrivance next week
    3. Boris declares war on Russia.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1544643085132615681

    Brew Dog asking which of the following people want put into limited production:
    Bojo Bogo
    Resignation Nation
    Bye Bye Big Dog
    Boris Lie-PA
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    TBF, that's something I'm actually quite pleased about.

    Especially since it surely destroys his chances of survival.

    Incidentally, Gove is of course the only person left to have served continuously since 2010, although he was briefly technically outside the cabinet in 2014-15.
    Nah, he didn't serve between July 2016 and June 2017.

    Mrs May fired him from the cabinet when she became PM.
    Really? I had forgotten.

    Clearly I'm not nearly obsessive enough about his career!
  • ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    TBF, that's something I'm actually quite pleased about.

    Especially since it surely destroys his chances of survival.

    Incidentally, Gove is of course the only person left to have served continuously since 2010, although he was briefly technically outside the cabinet in 2014-15.
    And 2016-17 under May?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    edited July 2022

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever had. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    GIN1138 said:

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
    She has. Scotland 2014.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 877
    Carnyx said:

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    I wrote about this on the previous thread. All it would take would be Sir Beer Korma sharing a platform with Sir Graham Brady Old Lady and clearly telling the public that Labour won’t seek a GE - they are just doing it for national interest.
    Look what happened the last time Labour got together with the Tories on the same platform of 'national interest'. In Scotland in 2014. And what happened in 2015.

    If any party should commit electoral suicide, it should be the Tories. Their chunder, their need to clean up the technicolor yawn.

    Agree with this. The idea that Labour will pull the Tories out of the fire, in the name of the interests of the tor- nation is pretty fanciful.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    GIN1138 said:

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
    She got involved in the Indyref in 2014.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    The Queen gets off on this shit.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    LOL!
    One of the best jokes today. Even though it should be spelled 'whisky'.
  • ydoethur said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    TBF, that's something I'm actually quite pleased about.

    Especially since it surely destroys his chances of survival.

    Incidentally, Gove is of course the only person left to have served continuously since 2010, although he was briefly technically outside the cabinet in 2014-15.
    No he isn't - he was sacked by May when she came in in 2016. He returned in 2017, but was a backbencher for a while.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    TOPPING said:

    Well it shows Boris Johnson's commitment to levelling up.

    I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government

    https://twitter.com/richardmorrisuk/status/1544780501390692357

    The Cons are levelling up or they are nothing and they have failed, and it looks like they will continue to fail to level up.
    They cross-classed to shambles, took proficiency in self-destruction and then changed morality to chaotic-stupid.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,280
    Johnson is doomed, so he really might as well as appoint anyone to government now for comedy value. Farage, James Delingpole, Tommy Robinson...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    GIN1138 said:

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.

    BoZo is the worst PM she's ever had. A novel approach would be warranted
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    GIN1138 said:

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
    Not her calling the shots any more.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    edited July 2022
    Some of the comments over at ConHome are remarkable. There are people over there who think Boris is too soft on the EU, all his critics are secret Remoaners (good riddance to them, apparently!) and they would vote for him tomorrow. And he can set up his own Boris Party and they will join up.

    Britain's Trump has arrived and the Right's fringes have gone certifiable!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MrEd said:

    Sorry but that is hyperbole.

    He's not a lunatic. You may disagree with his actions but they have a logic to it. There also might be a fairly sized chunk of the population who admires him for fighting back. Reading through the Twitter comments (always a bad move), there's a bit more support than you might think.

    Re being hated etc etc, the Tories are six percentage points behind Labour, Yes, Davey is winning by-elections. Think he''ll do well when he's asked in a GE "what's a woman" and stumbles like SKS does?

    I think he will eventually go but I don't think he should resign - if they want to get rid of him that much, do a VONC and show some balls.


    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    The logic is that if he can't be PM he'll burn his party down with him and do as much damage to the country as he can.

    It's the logic of a child throwing a wild tantrum.
    The Tory MPs fucked it a few weeks ago when they didn't vote him out. There was never going to be any recovery, even then. It was only going to get worse and yet the fucked it. All those payroll idiots resigning now had the chance. Bunch of absolute c***s. They have fucked this country over and now we need swift action from the cabinet to force him out tonight.

    Mass resignations. Now.
    Not going to happen
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708
    Scott_xP said:

    This makes Gove the first Cabinet minister to be sacked by three different Prime Ministers - Cameron, May and Johnson.
    https://twitter.com/DavidWooding/status/1544782995365806086

    Gove wasn't technically sacked by Cameron, he was moved.

    I do wonder what he was up to today on the phone......
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    I’m afraid it’s time to wheel out the big guns

    Boris is a dorkus of the morkus porkus
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited July 2022
    Unpopular said:

    Carnyx said:

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    I wrote about this on the previous thread. All it would take would be Sir Beer Korma sharing a platform with Sir Graham Brady Old Lady and clearly telling the public that Labour won’t seek a GE - they are just doing it for national interest.
    Look what happened the last time Labour got together with the Tories on the same platform of 'national interest'. In Scotland in 2014. And what happened in 2015.

    If any party should commit electoral suicide, it should be the Tories. Their chunder, their need to clean up the technicolor yawn.

    Agree with this. The idea that Labour will pull the Tories out of the fire, in the name of the interests of the tor- nation is pretty fanciful.
    And if they win the resulting GE then nobody will believe that SKS did it out of a sense of duty to Her Maj etc.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    The Tories deserve to disappear for this.

    Even after Trump's antics in 2020 the GOP have not disappeared
    Look at the polls.
    Boris might be Britain Trump, but the UK electorate has been repulsed by his crap in a way that hasn’t happened in the US.

    This will do severe damage to a party that’s never been truly loved, but that’s supposed to be good at government.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Well it shows Boris Johnson's commitment to levelling up.

    I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government

    https://twitter.com/richardmorrisuk/status/1544780501390692357

    It was all propaganda anyway... did anyone ever believe it?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    edited July 2022
    Gough Whitlam
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,141
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MrEd said:

    Sorry but that is hyperbole.

    He's not a lunatic. You may disagree with his actions but they have a logic to it. There also might be a fairly sized chunk of the population who admires him for fighting back. Reading through the Twitter comments (always a bad move), there's a bit more support than you might think.

    Re being hated etc etc, the Tories are six percentage points behind Labour, Yes, Davey is winning by-elections. Think he''ll do well when he's asked in a GE "what's a woman" and stumbles like SKS does?

    I think he will eventually go but I don't think he should resign - if they want to get rid of him that much, do a VONC and show some balls.


    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    The logic is that if he can't be PM he'll burn his party down with him and do as much damage to the country as he can.

    It's the logic of a child throwing a wild tantrum.
    The Tory MPs fucked it a few weeks ago when they didn't vote him out. There was never going to be any recovery, even then. It was only going to get worse and yet the fucked it. All those payroll idiots resigning now had the chance. Bunch of absolute c***s. They have fucked this country over and now we need swift action from the cabinet to force him out tonight.

    Mass resignations. Now.
    It was obvious to the vast majority of us that he had to go. How could it not be obvious to them?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Nadhim Zahawi: New chancellor’s finances investigated by National Crime Agency https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-nca-investigation-b2117197.html
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412
    Looks like the only person who could persuade Boris to quit is Zelenskiy.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1544643085132615681

    Brew Dog asking which of the following people want put into limited production:
    Bojo Bogo
    Resignation Nation
    Bye Bye Big Dog
    Boris Lie-PA

    Workplace Bullying and Sexism

    You need to be, not whiter than white, but also not complete and utter shits yourselves, for this sort of thing to work
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Johnson could always go cross party and appoint people like John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn to the cabinet.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    Some of the comments over at ConHome are remarkable. There are people over there who think Boris is too soft on the EU, all his critics are secret Remoaners (good riddance to them, apparently!) and they would vote for him tomorrow. And he can set up his own Boris Party and they will join up.

    Britain's Trump has arrived and the Right's fringes have gone certifiable!

    ConHome commenters are not Tory voters or members.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,302
    The SNP are shitstains as bad as Boris Johnson.


  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    Once saw the difference between a bounder and a cad described thusly:

    > a bounder will embezzle the mess fund, impregnate the colonel's daughter, desert the regiment - then when war is declared, return to take his medicine and join the fight.

    > a cad will do the first three - and never come back.

    Reckon Boris Johnson will follow the cad's path - plus ghost a book about it and take to the lecture circuit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,277
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    The Tories deserve to disappear for this.

    Even after Trump's antics in 2020 the GOP have not disappeared
    Look at the polls.
    Boris might be Britain Trump, but the UK electorate has been repulsed by his crap in a way that hasn’t happened in the US.

    This will do severe damage to a party that’s never been truly loved, but that’s supposed to be good at government.
    Has it? Around a third of the electorate are still voting Tory and it was the unpopularity of the Biden administration that revived the GOP not any love for them
  • TresTres Posts: 2,686
    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    fuck em, they all knew what Johnson was like when they voted for him
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Jonathan said:

    Gough Whitlam

    Harold Holt
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    MaxPB said:

    Some of the comments over at ConHome are remarkable. There are people over there who think Boris is too soft on the EU, all his critics are secret Remoaners (good riddance to them, apparently!) and they would vote for him tomorrow. And he can set up his own Boris Party and they will join up.

    Britain's Trump has arrived and the Right's fringes have gone certifiable!

    ConHome commenters are not Tory voters or members.
    And yet they tend to predict leadership elections well. I’d like to see your evidence.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    Farooq said:

    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country," Mr Duddridge said.

    "I expect him to make senior cabinet appointments this evening and am looking forward to hearing what the PM and his fantastic Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi have to say tomorrow."

    He initially said there would be a joint plan for the economy laid out by Mr Johnson and Mr Zahawi tomorrow, but moments later said it would be next week."

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-12593360

    Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if someone just put a bullet in his head.
    Calm down. Setting a precedent of murder as a constitutional solution because we can't wait a few days wouldn't be great for the country.
    He doesn't deserve such a quick ending.
    Johnson deserves to be locked in a cell with nothing for company but a TV playing Chris Whitty public health information broadcasts on a continuous loop.

    And to be forced to wear a fucking face mask. Permanently.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    Farooq said:

    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country," Mr Duddridge said.

    "I expect him to make senior cabinet appointments this evening and am looking forward to hearing what the PM and his fantastic Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi have to say tomorrow."

    He initially said there would be a joint plan for the economy laid out by Mr Johnson and Mr Zahawi tomorrow, but moments later said it would be next week."

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-12593360

    Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if someone just put a bullet in his head.
    Calm down. Setting a precedent of murder as a constitutional solution because we can't wait a few days wouldn't be great for the country.
    He doesn't deserve such a quick ending.
    Johnson deserves to be locked in a cell with nothing for company but a TV playing Chris Whitty public health information broadcasts on a continuous loop.

    And to be forced to wear a fucking face mask. Permanently.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    Still no Chancellor for the Duchy of Lancaster…been over 24 hours now I think.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,277
    edited July 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
    Not her calling the shots any more.
    She won't appoint any new PM until the current PM has clearly lost a vote of confidence by the majority party in the Commons and an alternative leader has won that confidence
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    GIN1138 said:

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
    She got involved in the Indyref in 2014.
    Do you mean when your mate claimed she'd been "purrrrrrrrrring down the phone" like Eartha Kitt ;)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    MaxPB said:

    Some of the comments over at ConHome are remarkable. There are people over there who think Boris is too soft on the EU, all his critics are secret Remoaners (good riddance to them, apparently!) and they would vote for him tomorrow. And he can set up his own Boris Party and they will join up.

    Britain's Trump has arrived and the Right's fringes have gone certifiable!

    ConHome commenters are not Tory voters or members.
    And yet they tend to predict leadership elections well. I’d like to see your evidence.
    Nah, the ConHome polls are done by a polling company of certified members, not the commenters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,277

    GIN1138 said:

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
    She got involved in the Indyref in 2014.
    She didn't, she told a few well wishers to 'think carefully' not even 'to vote No'
  • Scott_xP said:

    FFS, now it's W1A script...

    Senior No 10 source putting a positive spin on struggles to fill vacant ministerial posts:

    "Maybe this is a good opportunity to slim down government. We are focusing on delivering and the economy and this is an opportunity to do less better”

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1544784987618164736

    No Oxford comma?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    The Tories deserve to disappear for this.

    Even after Trump's antics in 2020 the GOP have not disappeared
    Look at the polls.
    Boris might be Britain Trump, but the UK electorate has been repulsed by his crap in a way that hasn’t happened in the US.

    This will do severe damage to a party that’s never been truly loved, but that’s supposed to be good at government.
    It's also not exactly good advertising for the Tories to compare them with the Republicans. I can't imagine our Roger doing a commercial: "Come to London! Almost as many car thieves as SF!"
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    IshmaelZ said:

    https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1544643085132615681

    Brew Dog asking which of the following people want put into limited production:
    Bojo Bogo
    Resignation Nation
    Bye Bye Big Dog
    Boris Lie-PA

    Workplace Bullying and Sexism

    You need to be, not whiter than white, but also not complete and utter shits yourselves, for this sort of thing to work
    Sadly the Brew Dog ethos has become seriously shit. But I like their beer and they are funny. So meh. I could boycott them, but they wouldn't notice and I would.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    Dead Cat possibility: 9am tomorrow Durham Police announce SKS has been given a FPN?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
    She got involved in the Indyref in 2014.
    She didn't, she told a few well wishers to 'think carefully' not even 'to vote No'
    And interpreted, rioghtly, in all the papers as massive involvement.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Well it shows Boris Johnson's commitment to levelling up.

    I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government

    https://twitter.com/richardmorrisuk/status/1544780501390692357

    It was all propaganda anyway... did anyone ever believe it?
    The Red Wall
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    Fascinating debate on the rolling BBC news just now about "what levers Nadhim Zahawi can pull" to address the CoL crisis.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Well it shows Boris Johnson's commitment to levelling up.

    I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government

    https://twitter.com/richardmorrisuk/status/1544780501390692357

    It was all propaganda anyway... did anyone ever believe it?
    The Red Wall
    Yes, I suppose they did :D
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