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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    GOVE FIRED

    So Johnson has his softer side. I'm warming to him on that news.

    Is Gove marching out of Downing Street yet?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    IshmaelZ said:

    https://twitter.com/BrewDog/status/1544643085132615681

    Brew Dog asking which of the following people want put into limited production:
    Bojo Bogo
    Resignation Nation
    Bye Bye Big Dog
    Boris Lie-PA

    Workplace Bullying and Sexism

    You need to be, not whiter than white, but also not complete and utter shits yourselves, for this sort of thing to work
    Sadly the Brew Dog ethos has become seriously shit. But I like their beer and they are funny. So meh. I could boycott them, but they wouldn't notice and I would.
    There's so much better beer out there though...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    kinabalu said:

    Fascinating debate on the rolling BBC news just now about "what levers Nadhim Zahawi can pull" to address the CoL crisis.

    The one-armed bandit?
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332
    T-shirts for sale: 'Conservatives Do It Bloodier' , £15 quid...

    I got a text from a good friend who once described himself as a typical dictatorial liberal, ie in his eyes he is a bit to the left but insistent that everyone else must think the same. His message about Boris was 'brass balls' and he has a point even if the brass is actually firmly on Johnson's neck.

    Whilst the Hitler bunker comparisons are blindingly obvious I found one closer to home, that just seems to fit the mentality. I grew up with a bloke who killed a well known name in the local community. He promptly holed up in a house in the area and pretty much said' come ahead and try to kill me then'. Did not give two fucks.

    There, minus the handgun and killing, is Boris right now. I have come to the conclusion that he is of that 'fuck you all mentality'. I am not sure its about the narcissist in him anymore.

    The bloke, by the way, is still very much alive.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    edited July 2022
    boulay said:

    Looks like the only person who could persuade Boris to quit is Zelenskiy.

    I'd advise Zelensky not to try - Johnson would attempt to sack him.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    GIN1138 said:

    Dead Cat possibility: 9am tomorrow Durham Police announce SKS has been given a FPN?

    Would anyone care with all this going on?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    dr_spyn said:
    Started off really well. Then became a bit electoral. Which always limits the humour.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    The 1922 committee need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and have the vote on Friday.

    This mess cannot continue like this. If not, let's have the GE and we can tell Boris what his new mandate is: off you fuck.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country…

    This is delusional stuff.
    The only mandate he has in his constituency vote at the general election, and the until now support of Tory MPs - each of whom has their own electoral mandate.
    He has lost the latter, utterly, and if he manages to call an election will lose the former as well.

    ‘Buoyant mood’ has a pathological sound to it,
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    LOL!
    One of the best jokes today. Even though it should be spelled 'whisky'.
    True. As good Irish whiskey would refuse to go down his gullet!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Still no Chancellor for the Duchy of Lancaster…been over 24 hours now I think.

    How are the people of the Duchy of Lancaster coping without a firm hand on the tiller?
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    Bet they dont though.

    They still fear a GE more than Boris methinks
    VONC doesn't inevitably lead to a GE.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Who had "coalition of chaos" in the Tory word bucket sweepstakes?

    From the beeb: "Rather, the source goes on to say, it's about giving Johnson either a "fresh chancellor and new programme, that Rishi was not prepared to do" or "spend months ripping each other apart to elect a leader without a mandate - coalition of chaos and Labour who will break up Britain". "
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country…

    This is delusional stuff.
    The only mandate he has in his constituency vote at the general election, and the until now support of Tory MPs - each of whom has their own electoral mandate.
    He has lost the latter, utterly, and if he manages to call an election will lose the former as well.

    ‘Buoyant mood’ has a pathological sound to it,
    Correction - "Buoyant mood" has a pharmaceutical sound to it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Did Boris and Co only just notice that Michael Gove is a “ tiny two inch long pungent lying snake of a man, with rotting teeth and rheumy eyes, who sneaks down alleys every night to eat the dung of Frenchmen as he masturbates his thirteen evil penises”?

    i mean, that’s the kind of thing a guy notices, early on in a friendship

    Yet apparently the Boris camp only spotted it today?


  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,799
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MrEd said:

    Sorry but that is hyperbole.

    He's not a lunatic. You may disagree with his actions but they have a logic to it. There also might be a fairly sized chunk of the population who admires him for fighting back. Reading through the Twitter comments (always a bad move), there's a bit more support than you might think.

    Re being hated etc etc, the Tories are six percentage points behind Labour, Yes, Davey is winning by-elections. Think he''ll do well when he's asked in a GE "what's a woman" and stumbles like SKS does?

    I think he will eventually go but I don't think he should resign - if they want to get rid of him that much, do a VONC and show some balls.


    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    The logic is that if he can't be PM he'll burn his party down with him and do as much damage to the country as he can.

    It's the logic of a child throwing a wild tantrum.
    The Tory MPs fucked it a few weeks ago when they didn't vote him out. There was never going to be any recovery, even then. It was only going to get worse and yet the fucked it. All those payroll idiots resigning now had the chance. Bunch of absolute c***s. They have fucked this country over and now we need swift action from the cabinet to force him out tonight.

    Mass resignations. Now.
    It was obvious to the vast majority of us that he had to go. How could it not be obvious to them?
    Organisational culture. The organisation believes that the organisation is good. The organisation does not see itself as others see it.
    You know the really dull surveys yougov do? Would you feel proud to work for company x, etc? That's because organisations can't see themselves as others see them.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    MaxPB said:

    Some of the comments over at ConHome are remarkable. There are people over there who think Boris is too soft on the EU, all his critics are secret Remoaners (good riddance to them, apparently!) and they would vote for him tomorrow. And he can set up his own Boris Party and they will join up.

    Britain's Trump has arrived and the Right's fringes have gone certifiable!

    ConHome commenters are not Tory voters or members.
    They are more likely to be Tory voters than Labour or LibDems. Left-leaning they are not ;)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    LOL!
    One of the best jokes today. Even though it should be spelled 'whisky'.
    True. As good Irish whiskey would refuse to go down his gullet!
    You do know the Irish have to distill it three times because they can't get it right in two?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    DougSeal said:

    Still no Chancellor for the Duchy of Lancaster…been over 24 hours now I think.

    How are the people of the Duchy of Lancaster coping without a firm hand on the tiller?
    Boris is going to second Chris Pincher - then there will be any number of firm hands on everything.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Cyclefree said:

    The 1922 committee need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and have the vote on Friday.

    This mess cannot continue like this. If not, let's have the GE and we can tell Boris what his new mandate is: off you fuck.

    Every hour 22 keeps on wasting, stalling, ducking, puts UK and Tory Party in greater jeopardy.

    As if they give a blind fiddler's final farewell fuck.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    DougSeal said:

    Still no Chancellor for the Duchy of Lancaster…been over 24 hours now I think.

    How are the people of the Duchy of Lancaster coping without a firm hand on the tiller?
    I’m more worried about the Duke of York taking advantage of this power vacuum and restarting the Wars of the Roses to get some status back.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    We're going to see Peter Bone and Fabricant in Cabinet, aren't we?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    Johnson is doomed, so he really might as well as appoint anyone to government now for comedy value. Farage, James Delingpole, Tommy Robinson...

    That’s what he did before
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    God I’m depressed tonight. I never thought I’d live in a country with a Mad King leader who would burn it all down before leaving office.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    A transfer of power to a new leader without a democratic mandate, I would completely oppose that. If we change the leader we need a new mandate from the people, not the MPs https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1544783367136333825/photo/1


    Total bollocks, but some will try it...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    I certainly won't, he still beat Corbyn and got Brexit done and I make no apology for voting for that
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Scott_xP said:

    A transfer of power to a new leader without a democratic mandate, I would completely oppose that. If we change the leader we need a new mandate from the people, not the MPs https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1544783367136333825/photo/1


    Total bollocks, but some will try it...

    Was she asleep in 2019 and 2016?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    edited July 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    A transfer of power to a new leader without a democratic mandate, I would completely oppose that. If we change the leader we need a new mandate from the people, not the MPs https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1544783367136333825/photo/1


    Total bollocks, but some will try it...

    Was she asleep in 2019 and 2016?
    Some people are simply really stupid.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    I certainly won't, he still beat Corbyn and got Brexit done and I make no apology for voting for that
    "done". Must tell my chum in Belfast. He will be relieved to hear that.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    I still wonder who bought Pinchers drinks and set this off.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    There’s going to be nothing left of the Conservative party if this goes on as long as the weekend.
  • Scott_xP said:

    A transfer of power to a new leader without a democratic mandate, I would completely oppose that. If we change the leader we need a new mandate from the people, not the MPs https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1544783367136333825/photo/1


    Total bollocks, but some will try it...

    Quite brave when her majority is only 11k
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,043
    edited July 2022

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    Actually I did not vote for either Johnson or Hunt even though I had a members vote at the time

    However, my objection to Johnson started with Paterson went through wallpapergate and partygate and for weeks now I have been calling for his resignation and stated on many occasions my support for Aaron Bell and the 148

    I have no problem with brexit and Johnson did well on covid and Ukraine

    He utterly disgusts me tonight and the only consolation is he will be gone next week when the 1922 deal with him, if not before
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    OnboardG1 said:

    Who had "coalition of chaos" in the Tory word bucket sweepstakes?

    From the beeb: "Rather, the source goes on to say, it's about giving Johnson either a "fresh chancellor and new programme, that Rishi was not prepared to do" or "spend months ripping each other apart to elect a leader without a mandate - coalition of chaos and Labour who will break up Britain". "

    Lab will break up Britain? The NI protocol says hello.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    He was a means to an end on Brexit, and avoided Corbyn. Would do it again even knowing what I know now. We were faced with an impossible choice.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A transfer of power to a new leader without a democratic mandate, I would completely oppose that. If we change the leader we need a new mandate from the people, not the MPs https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1544783367136333825/photo/1


    Total bollocks, but some will try it...

    Was she asleep in 2019 and 2016?
    Some people are simply really stupid.
    Or they hope that others are really stupid, and will buy this bollocks
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Cyclefree said:

    The 1922 committee need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and have the vote on Friday.

    This mess cannot continue like this. If not, let's have the GE and we can tell Boris what his new mandate is: off you fuck.

    Yeah, I like the "no rush, lads" vibe they're giving off. Bizarre.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Cyclefree said:

    The 1922 committee need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and have the vote on Friday.

    This mess cannot continue like this. If not, let's have the GE and we can tell Boris what his new mandate is: off you fuck.

    Every hour 22 keeps on wasting, stalling, ducking, puts UK and Tory Party in greater jeopardy.

    As if they give a blind fiddler's final farewell fuck.
    I don't care two hoots about the Tory party. I do care about the damage being done to the country.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    Goodnight all, I'm off to bed. Want to be well rested for my interview tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be able to report back soon with news of my employment.

    Good luck
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    At that point even I would say he would have to go but we are not there yet
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293
    OnboardG1 said:

    Who had "coalition of chaos" in the Tory word bucket sweepstakes?

    From the beeb: "Rather, the source goes on to say, it's about giving Johnson either a "fresh chancellor and new programme, that Rishi was not prepared to do" or "spend months ripping each other apart to elect a leader without a mandate - coalition of chaos and Labour who will break up Britain". "

    Break up Britain? Doesn't sound like it.
    https://t.co/WQwoAjKIjj
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country…

    This is delusional stuff.
    The only mandate he has in his constituency vote at the general election, and the until now support of Tory MPs - each of whom has their own electoral mandate.
    He has lost the latter, utterly, and if he manages to call an election will lose the former as well.

    ‘Buoyant mood’ has a pathological sound to it,
    Correction - "Buoyant mood" has a pharmaceutical sound to it.
    Quite so

    He may not be a natural caffeine head, but lots of people who aren't still take a lot of it out of greed, self indulgence, opportunism etc if they happen to be in a milieu where it is widely on offer, for free. looks increasingly like a latte boi to me
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    The party elects a new leader, they now hold the confidence of the house. Removal vans at No. 10 on the double. Simply he will be forcibly removed from office if he doesn't go willingly.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434

    God I’m depressed tonight. I never thought I’d live in a country with a Mad King leader who would burn it all down before leaving office.

    I don't see what there is to be depressed about, it's what we post here for. It's been exciting, entertaining, and hilarious.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Other parties were, in any case, available: 'LD' and 'SNP' and (appropriately enough here) 'PC', not to mention 'MRLP'. So this attempt to blame Mr Corbyn is daft anyway.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited July 2022

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    How can a party that dispatched a political colossus like Maggie so brutally be making such a balls up of getting rid of a loser like Boris?

    Ultimately, Thatcher had enough respect for her colleagues, her country, and her reputation to take the whiskey and revolver, and step outside.

    Johnson is a selfish arsehole - he's downed the scotch and shot Gove.
    LOL!
    One of the best jokes today. Even though it should be spelled 'whisky'.
    True. As good Irish whiskey would refuse to go down his gullet!
    You do know the Irish have to distill it three times because they can't get it right in two?
    Third time the charm! ADDENDUM - And far too refined for the likes of this Johnson.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,190

    Some of the comments over at ConHome are remarkable. There are people over there who think Boris is too soft on the EU, all his critics are secret Remoaners (good riddance to them, apparently!) and they would vote for him tomorrow. And he can set up his own Boris Party and they will join up.

    Britain's Trump has arrived and the Right's fringes have gone certifiable!

    Johnson is the Benny Hill Trump
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    I certainly won't, he still beat Corbyn and got Brexit done and I make no apology for voting for that
    I make allowances for the monomaniacal, brain damaged, and educationally subnormal.
    It would be a bit hypocritical not to wouldn't it?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    So, how's the levelling up hopey thingy going?

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Tres said:

    So so so happy we avoided all that chaos with Ed Miliband

    A lot of people keep making this joke. Does r really work though does it, as that Parliament was due to end in 2020. Hard to know, but in that counter factual I suspect Boris would still have been PM by now, and we’d be leaving the EU following its Covid failures.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    Parliament doesn't sit on Fridays. If he VONCed tomorrow, it would not be voted upon until Monday.
    A lot of damage can be done between now and then.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632

    Very glad I did not vote Con or Lab in 19.
    My conscience is clear.

    Same.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    And if you put up magic Grandpa when you could have put up a realistic alternative you own the rest of it, and the majority, you silly little man.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    Parliament doesn't sit on Fridays. If he VONCed tomorrow, it would not be voted upon until Monday.
    A lot of damage can be done between now and then.
    Speaker and House can call a sitting.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Andrew Neil
    @afneil
    I have always resisted comparisons between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump. Not tonight.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    At that point even I would say he would have to go but we are not there yet
    At this point I would not be surprised if the 1922 somehow fail or equivocate on changing the rules in the first place, thus meaning no second VONC in the first place.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.

    There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    Scott_xP said:

    Boris ally on Gove sacking just now: "He has just always been treacherous, disloyal, self-obsessed, untrustworthy - pick whichever you like."
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544779364092485634


    ...but he's still the PM

    "Boris ally" narrows it down to a handful.....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    Parliament doesn't sit on Fridays. If he VONCed tomorrow, it would not be voted upon until Monday.
    A lot of damage can be done between now and then.
    VONC takes precedence over all other business.
    So we could have one tomorrow.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,962
    edited July 2022
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I don't believe in a Monarch who is totally passive as on very particular occasions they might need to make decisions but I'm very queasy about the idea of sacking a prime minister.

    What if all the permanent secretaries were to advise HM that the government can no longer function?

    She won't "sack" her PM. HMQ is the most non-political Monarch we've ever head. In 70 years she's never got involved... that's not going to change at the age of 96.
    She got involved in the Indyref in 2014.
    She didn't, she told a few well wishers to 'think carefully' not even 'to vote No'
    'Peter Hunt the BBC's Royal Correspondent at the time recalls how keen the Palace was to get the Queen's, "Off the Cuff", indy referendum remark onto the BBC. They phoned him to make sure it was aired.'

    https://twitter.com/Innealadair/status/1174738207503781888?s=20&t=C8K-UFY9H9Wp9uNiRmovVA
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
    Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874

    I have little sympathy for supposed Tories who enabled Boris to power. The Big Gs and Casino Royales.

    It was always going to end like this.

    Um, I voted for Hunt.

    I did vote Tory in the 2019GE, like millions of others, because the alternative was Corbyn and my local MP was Damian Hinds - who's sane.
    I am pleased, PLEASED, I voted Lib Dem then [1]. Even as a Leaver, I knew Corbyn was wrong and had bad feelings about Johnson. I think I was right in both respects.

    [1] The candidate therefore got 2 votes! Best non-Labour result in Bootle since the Stone Age.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    The 1922 committee need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and have the vote on Friday.

    This mess cannot continue like this. If not, let's have the GE and we can tell Boris what his new mandate is: off you fuck.

    Every hour 22 keeps on wasting, stalling, ducking, puts UK and Tory Party in greater jeopardy.

    As if they give a blind fiddler's final farewell fuck.
    I don't care two hoots about the Tory party. I do care about the damage being done to the country.
    Same here. But you'd think a Tory might care about that? Are there any of them still in the 22 these days?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Relatively rare to see an outright sacking. Even when it is a sacking oftentimes it is dressed up as a resignation.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    At that point even I would say he would have to go but we are not there yet
    Do you think he should hang on?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
    Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
    Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    Parliament doesn't sit on Fridays. If he VONCed tomorrow, it would not be voted upon until Monday.
    A lot of damage can be done between now and then.
    Speaker and House can call a sitting.
    As I have said a lot earlier - only a full vote of House will now end this.

    British Trump is now attempting a coup and he must be stopped.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526
    kyf_100 said:

    Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.

    Gove was also doing reasonably well at sorting out the cladding crisis. Going after the companies who constructed the sub-standard buildings, rather than the poor leaseholders who bought them. The stuff he was coming up to solve the crisis wasn't perfect, but way, way, way better than the loathesome Jenrick who came before him.

    Gove's attitude towards the whole cladding / leasehold debacle warmed me to him substantially. One of the few front line politicians of the Johnson era I actually respect.
    Yes, he's a politician interested in policy. Always interesting.
  • KeystoneKeystone Posts: 127
    Scott_xP said:

    FFS, now it's W1A script...

    Senior No 10 source putting a positive spin on struggles to fill vacant ministerial posts:

    "Maybe this is a good opportunity to slim down government. We are focusing on delivering and the economy and this is an opportunity to do less better”

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1544784987618164736

    The band playing Abide with Me as the cruise liner slipped beneath the waves. You have to admire professionalism
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    At that point even I would say he would have to go but we are not there yet
    At this point I would not be surprised if the 1922 somehow fail or equivocate on changing the rules in the first place, thus meaning no second VONC in the first place.
    They will change the rules.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    It's Eid this Saturday, I'm meant to not focus on politics this weekend.

    #GoingToDisappointMyMotherOnceMore

    Happy Eid when it comes!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Cyclefree said:

    The 1922 committee need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and have the vote on Friday.

    This mess cannot continue like this. If not, let's have the GE and we can tell Boris what his new mandate is: off you fuck.

    Oh but it can. What has changed since they met earlier today to change their minds?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
    Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
    Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
    Yes and he is of course wrong.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Seems Johnson's response to having no one left to fill ministerial posts will be to delete the posts from government.

    He needs to be sectioned never mind VONC.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited July 2022
    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
    Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
    Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
    He may cite it, its still nonsense. Should we give credence to his skewed opinions?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994

    Scott_xP said:

    Boris ally on Gove sacking just now: "He has just always been treacherous, disloyal, self-obsessed, untrustworthy - pick whichever you like."
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544779364092485634


    ...but he's still the PM

    "Boris ally" narrows it down to a handful.....
    Nadine is Boris’s Rudi Giuliani.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Keystone said:

    Scott_xP said:

    FFS, now it's W1A script...

    Senior No 10 source putting a positive spin on struggles to fill vacant ministerial posts:

    "Maybe this is a good opportunity to slim down government. We are focusing on delivering and the economy and this is an opportunity to do less better”

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1544784987618164736

    The band playing Abide with Me as the cruise liner slipped beneath the waves. You have to admire professionalism
    A kazoo band.

    British Kazoo Band 1960
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ariSnPOp4Rg
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
    Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
    Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
    Yes and he is of course wrong.
    Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    If you need to be reassured that British politics is still saner than some of the alternatives, check out this Congressional campaign ad:

    https://twitter.com/Jerone4Congress/status/1544700948164972546
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    God I’m depressed tonight. I never thought I’d live in a country with a Mad King leader who would burn it all down before leaving office.

    I don't see what there is to be depressed about, it's what we post here for. It's been exciting, entertaining, and hilarious.
    Well, its the political equivalent of rubbernecking - it fascinates, but can still horrify.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
    Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
    Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
    Yeah but everyone knows that argument is bollocks in our system.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    Heathener said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@NadineDorries

    The PM’s priority is to stabilise the government, set a clear direction for the country and continue to deliver on the promises he made and the British public voted for.

    9:28 PM · Jul 6, 2022"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1544780226307264512

    She was in tears in 2016 when he pulled out of the leadership race.

    Presumably Nadine and Boris have been in a sexual relationship for at least as long as that.
    Careful now.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
    Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
    Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
    He may cite it, its still nonsense. Should we give credence to his skewed opinions?
    No, not at all, but the time for that was before you made him prime minister.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    I think I might decline the outrage bus this evening. It may be futile, but Boris is within his rights to decline resignation and make the party go through a formal process, to feel the depth of the wounds for himself. It may not be the usual way when offered the door out, but in itself it is not a liberty.

    A GE attempt or an attempt to weasel after a VONC result, those would be cause for outrage.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    At that point even I would say he would have to go but we are not there yet
    Do you think he should hang on?
    Until the 1922 change the rules and he loses a VONC happens yes.

    If both those events occur then at the point he should go
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    The party elects a new leader, they now hold the confidence of the house. Removal vans at No. 10 on the double. Simply he will be forcibly removed from office if he doesn't go willingly.
    Yes, he's being very frustrating, but he doesn't have a leg to stand on even if he tried to resist at that point. He can refuse to give up the premiership, but it isn't intervening in politics for the palace to pick up the phone to a newly elected leader and ask them to come by.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    edited July 2022
    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    Labour gave us the choice of Boris or Corbyn after Corbyn had already been rejected once. Should Labour apologise for sending Corbyn out to bat again?
    The attempts to blame Labour for this are plain weird. If you didn’t like Boris and Corbyn there were other choices such as spoiling the ballot.

    If you voted Conservative you own part of this.
    Nah. We didn't dare vote Monster Raving Loony or, more obscurely, LibDem and thereby let Corbyn into No. 10.
    Tonight that attitude has proven to be foolish.
    Not at all. I couldn't countenance Corbyn being PM of the UK. As @biggles said, knowing all that has happened (and not knowing how everyone else might vote, @Farooq ) I would vote the same way again.
    Boris cited his mandate tonight as the reason to stay. That means you.
    Yes and he is of course wrong.
    Can’t be much fun being part of Boris’ figleaf.
    Interesting to note that you, as well as @HYUFD, are choosing to believe what Boris says.

    Edit: oh and JRM.

    Quite a team you all make.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.

    There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.

    Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.

    You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
    I agree BUT, I voted LD knowing full well that Boris would win. It was zero cost.

    In a forced choice, I would have had to vote Tory. Seamus Milne was/is deeply, deeply sinister. Others, too.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    edited July 2022
    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    I really didn’t think he would go full on Trump but he has. This is damaging stuff.

    There are certain people who reach positions of power in democracies, who demonstrate through their behaviour that given the chance they would take the country into dictatorship. He’s the first British PM I’ve seen this trait in. Trump had it. Clearly Orban, Erdogan and other managed democrats do. Indira Gandhi. De Gaulle got close. But most others ultimately go when asked.

    Sorry, but it's been obvious since autumn 2019 at the very latest. Anyone who didn't realise it by that point was not paying attention at all.

    You all should not have voted for him. Corbyn and Brexit are not a good enough excuse.
    You don’t get the point of wanting Brexit. Anything and everything domestic (including all this Boris crap) is reversible. The EU’s actions were not.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    When he loses the VoNC, he still won't resign

    The party elects a new leader, they now hold the confidence of the house. Removal vans at No. 10 on the double. Simply he will be forcibly removed from office if he doesn't go willingly.
    Has the Queen actually sacked a PM and had to literally remove the seals of office or whatever and send security to Downing Street to cart one away?


    Always a first time even when you are 96.

    I suggest they take him via the nearest hospital because he is now very mentally unwell.
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