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  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    Until he loses a VONC no, even though that is likely inevitable now
    Stop dodging the question minister!

    If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
    I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.

    However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go
    1. What Mandate? We elect individual MPs. Not a government. Not a Prime Minister?
    2. What 5 year term? Yer man changed the law so that there is no term length
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited July 2022
    The Boris Truther movement starts now. 😊
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    PB what-aboutery nearly notable as Boris's tenacity.

    For some reason, thinking of the giggling inside the Bunker, in April 1945, at the news from Warm Springs GA.

    NOT saying every PB what-abouter is a "true" BJ Tory. After all, not everyone stuck in the Bunker was NSDAPer.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ...
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 698
    I was at the theatre this evening watching My Fair Lady (highly recommended). I thought the Cabinet delegation could have done worse than belt out “Without You” to the PM.

    “They can still rule with land without you.
    Windsor Castle will stand without you.
    And without much ado we can all muddle through without you.”
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    The tactical nuclear option for Johnson is to simply withdraw the whip from everyone who is against him.

    And the 300 member “Independent Conservative Party” is largest Party and bribes 30-40 of his to join so it can take power.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Braverman's rational position in full:

    1. The PM is unfit to serve as Prime Minister and should resign
    2. I think I should replace him as PM and will campaign to be leader
    3. I continue will serve in Boris Johnson's cabinet
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Scott_xP said:

    Just a thought, but the judgement that led Braverman to declare a leadership bid while still in government when most are in bed and chaos is all about us is the same judgement that gives this government its legal advice. Sleep well everyone.
    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1544809243911536641

    Suella won't survive scrutiny of her sect.
    Let alone anything else.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    Andy_JS said:

    The Boris Truther movement starts now. 😊

    Long time since the words Boris and truth have been so close together.
  • Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    Until he loses a VONC no, even though that is likely inevitable now
    Stop dodging the question minister!

    If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
    I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.

    However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go
    If a majority of Cons MPs are against him and you are for him you know that that would mean you weren't a proper Tory.
    No it doesn't, you can vote for whoever you like in internal party elections, though my preference is normally loyalty to the leader, especially one who won a general election
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    Scott_xP said:

    In tomorrow's Times I report that junior Conservative MPs are forming plans to back a "new generation" leadership candidate.

    Sources named three candidates they might back: Kemi Badenoch, Simon Clarke, Suella Braverman

    Great to have a story stood up so quickly!
    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544804946826125318

    Simon Clarke or Suella Braverman.

    As serious candidates.

    Seriously?
    Anyone who thinks it couldn't be any worse after Johnson is not paying attention. Our only hope is that the MPs prevent a loony making it to the membership ballot because if they do you can bet that's who they will choose. Bear in mind how many thousands of sensible Tory members have departed since Boris became leader.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    "A well-placed source said the former PM was ‘uniquely placed’ to step in if Mr Johnson tries to order a snap election or quits straight after being ousted in a break with convention."

    A Mrs T May of Maidenhead has been in contact....
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Very very unusual for me to come on here this late at night.

    Can't sleep.

    It's all a bit too much for someone who has watched politics.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    The tactical nuclear option for Johnson is to simply withdraw the whip from everyone who is against him.

    Can't the party withdraw the whip from him? Whose decision is it?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Heathener said:

    Very very unusual for me to come on here this late at night.

    Can't sleep.

    It's all a bit too much for someone who has watched politics.

    Dont feed any of us Mogwis after midnight whatever you do
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,526
    Farooq said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.

    I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.
    Buffy is excellent
    Yep Brilliant. I watched avidly when it was originally broadcast.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Perhaps Boris Johnson's most toxic legacy will have been to have fuelled the delusion that prime minister is a job to which any politician can legitimately aspire, no matter how limited their experience or mediocre their talents. https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1544805199419772929

    Fair play to her. idiots, cranks and sociopaths like Iain Duncan Smith, Jeremy Corbyn and Boris Johnson have all led major political parties in the last twenty years, so why should she not regard herself as being well above that standard? https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1544805199419772929
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Probably the ideal person to fulfil that role in current circumstances. Whatever her faults she is scrupulously honest and dignified. She also will have no long term ambitions for it. Steady hand for a short period of time.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    "A well-placed source said the former PM was ‘uniquely placed’ to step in if Mr Johnson tries to order a snap election or quits straight after being ousted in a break with convention."

    A Mrs T May of Maidenhead has been in contact....
    Oh please, please let this happen.

    I am on v big pay out.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Hunt has dropped to 7th place in the next Tory leader betting stakes.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.160663234
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Heathener said:

    The tactical nuclear option for Johnson is to simply withdraw the whip from everyone who is against him.

    Can't the party withdraw the whip from him? Whose decision is it?
    No, he is still pm, sacks chief whip, employs new chief whip. Nadine for example
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    "A well-placed source said the former PM was ‘uniquely placed’ to step in if Mr Johnson tries to order a snap election or quits straight after being ousted in a break with convention."

    A Mrs T May of Maidenhead has been in contact....
    The LOL's would finish several people off.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    I did not vote in 2019. I voted LibDem in 2017. I might never bother voting ever again.
    Vote - don't ever miss your opportunity.
    If I do it in Bootle, you've surely got to do it wherever you are.
    Remember this: https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/2575238#Comment_2575238
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565

    The tactical nuclear option for Johnson is to simply withdraw the whip from everyone who is against him.

    The easier option is for the Party to withdraw the Whip from Boris. For bringing the Party into disrepute.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    edited July 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    Are there any Tory MPs not preparing to throw their hat into the ring for the leadership?

    May?

    She's just waiting to be made caretaker PM.
    It will be nice to have a caretaker in as PM.

    For a start, I understand there's a swing in the garden that wants fixing, and I'm not totally sure all the wine fridges have had the necessary electrical safety test done.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    Perhaps Boris Johnson's most toxic legacy will have been to have fuelled the delusion that prime minister is a job to which any politician can legitimately aspire, no matter how limited their experience or mediocre their talents. https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1544805199419772929

    To me, I would think it shows the exact opposite. Boris is living, breathing proof that "... prime minister is NOT a job to which any politician can legitimately aspire, especially if they have limited experience or mediocre talents."
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Farooq said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.

    I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.
    Buffy is excellent
    Yep Brilliant. I watched avidly when it was originally broadcast.
    Worth a re-watch.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Farooq said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.

    I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.
    Buffy is excellent
    Never watched it but I remember how big it was at the time.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,526

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.

    I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.
    The best version of that I have seen on film was Fallen with Denzel Washington and John Goodman. Brilliant concept of a murderous spirit that can jump from one person to another and possess them simply by being nearby. There is an amazing scene where Washington is having a conversation with the spirit as it jumps from person to person as they pass him in the street.

    Great twist at the end as well.

    Worth looking up.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    Andy_JS said:

    Are there any Tory MPs not preparing to throw their hat into the ring for the leadership?

    May?

    She's just waiting to be made caretaker PM.
    It will be nice to have a caretaker in as PM.

    For a start, I understand there's a swing in the garden that wants fixing, and I'm not totally sure all the wine fridges have had the necessary electrical safety test done.
    The wallpaper needs to be updated too.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Heathener said:

    Very very unusual for me to come on here this late at night.

    Can't sleep.

    It's all a bit too much for someone who has watched politics.

    Dont feed any of us Mogwis after midnight whatever you do
    Indeed. Put them in shower instead. They can cool off in there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Another taste of America in 2022. A traffic argument becomes a shouting match about race: "You're breathing my air, you f-ing coloniser."

    Pt 1: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012260330672128

    Pt 2: https://twitter.com/Wtfportland1/status/1543012669090701312

    Lol

    America is SO doomed. One shouldn’t laugh but I’d weep otherwise

    Also, isn’t he… Chinese? A big tubby American Chinese guy? The same Chinese that are slaughtering the Uyghurs and dominating Asia? And he calls her the “fucking coloniser”

    The Left has carefully constructed this madness
    Maybe these sorts of petty arguments were happening before but we didn't know about them before social media.
    That whole Woke discourse - used by both of them - is almost entirely new

    I dunno how new twerking is, but here it is being done by a Democrat State Senator for Rhode Island. It has caused “a stir”


    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1544131356526948352?s=21&t=zvrgmXrGKn4mL26TIXXdOg
  • dixiedean said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    He might have, now that HYUFD has realised that Braverman is available as an alternative option.

    I've recently started rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, saw an episode last night where they were battling a demon that could possess a corpse (for a short time) or a living person but when threatened would jump into possessing another available body. We seem to be at the stage that the threat is so severe the body jump is about to happen and another vessel has to be found.
    Did a full Buffy re-watch a while ago.
    It really stands up well.
    Plus. Alyson Hannigan.
    I haven't seen it in about twenty years, keep meaning to and saw it on Disney+ the other day and thought I'd give it a go. Only on season two so far, but I'm surprised how well its holding up so far.

    Alyson Hannigan is great in anything she does. Between this, American Pie and HIMYM ...
  • HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Typo sorry, its been a long day.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hancock on Peston says Boris has lost the confidence of the Cabinet and Party

    That’s not important though is it. What’s more interesting is whether he has lost your confidence?
    Until he loses a VONC no, even though that is likely inevitable now
    Stop dodging the question minister!

    If you had a vote in said VONC, which way would you vote? Hypothetically speaking.
    I would still vote for Boris as my position remains he got a mandate for a 5 year term.

    However I am not an MP and if most Tory MPs voted no confidence in him then at that point he would have to go
    If a majority of Cons MPs are against him and you are for him you know that that would mean you weren't a proper Tory.
    No it doesn't, you can vote for whoever you like in internal party elections, though my preference is normally loyalty to the leader, especially one who won a general election
    You disagree with the majority of Conservative MPs. You are not a Tory.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874

    The tactical nuclear option for Johnson is to simply withdraw the whip from everyone who is against him.

    There isn't really anything left other than nuclear options now is there?

    Changing the rules stinks.
    Parliamentary VONC risks GE and Blackford himself this evening said it was the nuclear option.
    Withdrawing the Whip would leave his rump smaller than the Labour party, and might leave the rebels in the same boat.

    Other than Johnson finally seeing the inevitable, every option is now a nuclear one.
  • Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
    Now I'm even more confused by your objection.

    So women twerking is fine. Is it black women twerking that represents the fall of civilisation?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    We need to trick Boris into a virtual reality where he can remain PM forever as his physical body decays away before the eyes of visitors to his sealed cubicle in the museum of freaks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    MaxPB said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Are there any Tory MPs not preparing to throw their hat into the ring for the leadership?

    May?

    She's just waiting to be made caretaker PM.
    It will be nice to have a caretaker in as PM.

    For a start, I understand there's a swing in the garden that wants fixing, and I'm not totally sure all the wine fridges have had the necessary electrical safety test done.
    The wallpaper needs to be updated too.
    God no. We'd have the place covered in leopard print within the week.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    "A well-placed source said the former PM was ‘uniquely placed’ to step in if Mr Johnson tries to order a snap election or quits straight after being ousted in a break with convention."

    A Mrs T May of Maidenhead has been in contact....
    She doesn’t want it for herself. But if her friends and colleagues insist… She would of course give up the powers in due course, unless her friends and colleagues were to insist..

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Heathener said:

    Very very unusual for me to come on here this late at night.

    Can't sleep.

    It's all a bit too much for someone who has watched politics.

    Dont feed any of us Mogwis after midnight whatever you do
    Indeed. Put them in shower instead. They can cool off in there.
    Its water isnt it? Ive got my Gremlin lore muddled up
  • dixiedean said:

    Well. I'm going to turn in.
    Thanks for your company on a nerdtastic day
    That's for both my political friends and political foe/friends.
    Cheers for the LOL'S.
    Not sure we can hit such heights again.
    But tomorrow may excel?
    Here's hoping.

    I hope it doesn't, I got next to no work done today. Normally if I obsess about politics for a bit, I can get it done later on or earlier, but not today.

    Need a few days of calm before we do this all over against next week when the 22 allows the next confidence vote. Got to get some work actually done!
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332
    Hachet job will be incoming on Zahawi.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Yokes said:

    Hachet job will be incoming on Zahawi.

    Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    We need to trick Boris into a virtual reality where he can remain PM forever as his physical body decays away before the eyes of visitors to his sealed cubicle in the museum of freaks.

    Like that ST: Next Generation episode where they somehow manipulate Moriarty into a tiny little box with a universe inside it for him to explore?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    A May interregnum would be the least awful outcome for the party at this stage. Familiar face, opportunity to cool off etc.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    biggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    "A well-placed source said the former PM was ‘uniquely placed’ to step in if Mr Johnson tries to order a snap election or quits straight after being ousted in a break with convention."

    A Mrs T May of Maidenhead has been in contact....
    She doesn’t want it for herself. But if her friends and colleagues insist… She would of course give up the powers in due course, unless her friends and colleagues were to insist..

    I so badly want her to stand at the lectern, accept the solemn duty and remark that for anyone worried she will implement policies, she is merely there to guide the ship through this brief storm and the new PM will find that 'nothing has changed'
    Then do her dance into number 10
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
    Now I'm even more confused by your objection.

    So women twerking is fine. Is it black women twerking that represents the fall of civilisation?
    The Democrat State Senator for Rhode Island has the answer - see the video below. We need MORE twerking - but in politics

    As a way out of our present mess Boris could strip down to his undies, stand upside down on Southend Beach and twerk his booty for maybe a minute, and we could rate him out of 100 for how he did “the thun thun”. Perhaps then Sir Keir Starmer could do the same on Islington Green, peeling off his suit to do some “booty poppin”, or “booty clappin” to the tune of “shakin it fo Daddy” or “Dance A$$” played by his wife on harpsichord
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    We need to trick Boris into a virtual reality where he can remain PM forever as his physical body decays away before the eyes of visitors to his sealed cubicle in the museum of freaks.

    Like that ST: Next Generation episode where they somehow manipulate Moriarty into a tiny little box with a universe inside it for him to explore?
    Precisely what i was thinking actually!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    dixiedean said:

    Well. I'm going to turn in.
    Thanks for your company on a nerdtastic day
    That's for both my political friends and political foe/friends.
    Cheers for the LOL'S.
    Not sure we can hit such heights again.
    But tomorrow may excel?
    Here's hoping.

    Lightweight....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    biggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    "A well-placed source said the former PM was ‘uniquely placed’ to step in if Mr Johnson tries to order a snap election or quits straight after being ousted in a break with convention."

    A Mrs T May of Maidenhead has been in contact....
    She doesn’t want it for herself. But if her friends and colleagues insist… She would of course give up the powers in due course, unless her friends and colleagues were to insist..

    I so badly want her to stand at the lectern, accept the solemn duty and remark that for anyone worried she will implement policies, she is merely there to guide the ship through this brief storm and the new PM will find that 'nothing has changed'
    Then do her dance into number 10
    I suspect Strong and Stable may be mentioned.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    A May interregnum would be the least awful outcome for the party at this stage. Familiar face, opportunity to cool off etc.

    Electorally it would stabilise them too. They risk haemmorage of polling figures that may become irreversible
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Heathener said:

    Very very unusual for me to come on here this late at night.

    Can't sleep.

    It's all a bit too much for someone who has watched politics.

    The politics, cricket and tennis have all been a bit intense over the last few days.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    Yokes said:

    Hachet job will be incoming on Zahawi.

    I seem to remember his big break in politics came from Jeffrey Archer.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    "A well-placed source said the former PM was ‘uniquely placed’ to step in if Mr Johnson tries to order a snap election or quits straight after being ousted in a break with convention."

    A Mrs T May of Maidenhead has been in contact....
    She doesn’t want it for herself. But if her friends and colleagues insist… She would of course give up the powers in due course, unless her friends and colleagues were to insist..

    I so badly want her to stand at the lectern, accept the solemn duty and remark that for anyone worried she will implement policies, she is merely there to guide the ship through this brief storm and the new PM will find that 'nothing has changed'
    Then do her dance into number 10
    I suspect Strong and Stable may be mentioned.
    'Anyone up for a leaders debate?'
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Given Scotland {HEARTS} Theresa and Brexit is done - the Tories, and more importantly the country, could do a lot worse...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
    Now I'm even more confused by your objection.

    So women twerking is fine. Is it black women twerking that represents the fall of civilisation?
    Maybe twerking with relation to abortion is the problem? If you believe it's a sober subject, which I think most people in this country believe it is, on both sides.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Given Scotland {HEARTS} Theresa and Brexit is done - the Tories, and more importantly the country, could do a lot worse...
    And she'll curtsy how she fucking likes!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Oh, go on then. Think I will. Must be the response.

    If someone tries to frighten you into staying your hand in such a fashion it is usually a good sign you should not do so, if you are able. Nothing good comes from giving in to such a threat.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361

    A May interregnum would be the least awful outcome for the party at this stage. Familiar face, opportunity to cool off etc.

    The problem is that a caretaker PM won't have the authority to make any major or contentious policy decisions. There's a strong consensus on Ukraine, so I wouldn't see making decisions related to that as problematic. However, on other major issues facing the country - inflation, preparing for the winter energy crunch, in particular - what decisions could a caretaker make?

    In two month's time it is September, the next increase in the energy price cap is imminent and winter is coming. Johnson does need to go, but a summer of flapping about with a leadership election isn't going to do the party much good either.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    edited July 2022

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Given Scotland {HEARTS} Theresa and Brexit is done - the Tories, and more importantly the country, could do a lot worse...
    And she'll curtsy how she fucking likes!
    I hope she wears a nicer jacket this time!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Presumably Boris Johnson sacks Suella Braverman tonight or first thing tomorrow (after all James Duddridge told us there were lots of people desperate to serve)

    Either way, it's attorney general questions at 10am in the Commons tomorrow.

    And Braverman's no 2 quit yesterday

    https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544816830413504512
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    edited July 2022
    To be fair to May, beyond Brexit she did actually have an agenda many would quite like. And with a majority of 80 she could do some of it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    A May interregnum would be the least awful outcome for the party at this stage. Familiar face, opportunity to cool off etc.

    The problem is that a caretaker PM won't have the authority to make any major or contentious policy decisions. There's a strong consensus on Ukraine, so I wouldn't see making decisions related to that as problematic. However, on other major issues facing the country - inflation, preparing for the winter energy crunch, in particular - what decisions could a caretaker make?

    In two month's time it is September, the next increase in the energy price cap is imminent and winter is coming. Johnson does need to go, but a summer of flapping about with a leadership election isn't going to do the party much good either.
    Well the alternative is to keep Johnson in post, which is sub ideal. There’s no proof he wouldn’t try to reverse ferret, or perform some new constitutional outrage.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    It’s five mins to midnight, and the PM - having promised he would be making appointments today - has managed to increase the 46 resignation vacancies he had, to 47, by sacking a senior cabinet minister.

    This reset is going well. ~AA https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1544817137650393088/photo/1
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    biggles said:

    To be fair to May, she did actually have an agenda many would quite like. And with a majority of 80 she could do some of it.

    Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill could be back in Number 10...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Hasn’t expected twerking to be centre stage as a topic this evening. But PB continues to surprise.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    edited July 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
    Now I'm even more confused by your objection.

    So women twerking is fine. Is it black women twerking that represents the fall of civilisation?
    Maybe twerking with relation to abortion is the problem? If you believe it's a sober subject, which I think most people in this country believe it is, on both sides.
    That makes no sense.

    If a dance move at a protest can draw so much ire that its a debasing fall of civilisation, I wonder how much worse things could get?

    Next week, the horror as its revealed that Democrats are stooping to doing the Robot while demanding that guns aren't brought into schools.

    To top it off with the Moonwalk for protecting the First Amendment. Its like Sodom and Gomorrah come to life.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Heathener said:

    Very very unusual for me to come on here this late at night.

    Can't sleep.

    It's all a bit too much for someone who has watched politics.

    Dont feed any of us Mogwis after midnight whatever you do
    Indeed. Put them in shower instead. They can cool off in there.
    Its water isnt it? Ive got my Gremlin lore muddled up
    It was both. Feeding cocoons them as they breed more, but water was worse ...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    A May interregnum would be the least awful outcome for the party at this stage. Familiar face, opportunity to cool off etc.

    The problem is that a caretaker PM won't have the authority to make any major or contentious policy decisions. There's a strong consensus on Ukraine, so I wouldn't see making decisions related to that as problematic. However, on other major issues facing the country - inflation, preparing for the winter energy crunch, in particular - what decisions could a caretaker make?

    In two month's time it is September, the next increase in the energy price cap is imminent and winter is coming. Johnson does need to go, but a summer of flapping about with a leadership election isn't going to do the party much good either.
    Leadership could be done in just over a month if they sped through the MPs whittling down
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    I would be interested to hear what @MarqueeMark thinks of a May caretakership if he still up.
  • MPartridgeMPartridge Posts: 174

    Heathener said:

    Very very unusual for me to come on here this late at night.

    Can't sleep.

    It's all a bit too much for someone who has watched politics.

    Dont feed any of us Mogwis after midnight whatever you do
    Indeed. Put them in shower instead. They can cool off in there.
    Its water isnt it? Ive got my Gremlin lore muddled up
    It was both. Feeding cocoons them as they breed more, but water was worse ...
    One thing about "Never feed them after midnight" I've never understood is, what time is acceptable?

    As every minute of the whole day is technically "after midnight"....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    So Big Dog survives another day.

    To bed.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
    Now I'm even more confused by your objection.

    So women twerking is fine. Is it black women twerking that represents the fall of civilisation?
    Maybe twerking with relation to abortion is the problem? If you believe it's a sober subject, which I think most people in this country believe it is, on both sides.
    That makes no sense.

    If a dance move at a protest can draw so much ire that its a debasing fall of civilisation, I wonder how much worse things could get?

    Next week, the horror as its revealed that Democrats are stooping to doing the Robot while demanding that guns aren't brought into schools.

    To top it off with the Moonwalk for protecting the First Amendment. Its like Sodom and Gomorrah come to life.
    How about twerking against an ambulance as victims of a shooting are being loaded into it?

    https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1407754778160025606
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    I did not vote in 2019. I voted LibDem in 2017. I might never bother voting ever again.
    Vote - don't ever miss your opportunity.
    If I do it in Bootle, you've surely got to do it wherever you are.
    Remember this: https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/2575238#Comment_2575238
    I will not vote Tory and I cannot support Starmer.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    So we didn’t get those senior cabinet appointments by midnight but we did get one final resignation https://twitter.com/garethdavies_mp/status/1544817086744109057
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    edited July 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
    Now I'm even more confused by your objection.

    So women twerking is fine. Is it black women twerking that represents the fall of civilisation?
    Maybe twerking with relation to abortion is the problem? If you believe it's a sober subject, which I think most people in this country believe it is, on both sides.
    That makes no sense.

    If a dance move at a protest can draw so much ire that its a debasing fall of civilisation, I wonder how much worse things could get?

    Next week, the horror as its revealed that Democrats are stooping to doing the Robot while demanding that guns aren't brought into schools.

    To top it off with the Moonwalk for protecting the First Amendment. Its like Sodom and Gomorrah come to life.
    How about twerking against an ambulance as victims of a shooting are being loaded into it?

    https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1407754778160025606
    Blocking an ambulance is never OK, obviously.

    Though I doubt its as bad or lasted as long as idiots glueing themselves to the road. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/04/22/insulate-britain-protest-delayed-ambulance-nearly-hour/

    Though if they're only doing so while the person is being loaded into the ambulance, then move out of the way as the ambulance moves on once they're loaded, then that's possibly just drunk people being stupid and not party political at all.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Chamberlain caught. Next target May. 4 weeks to survive........
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
    Now I'm even more confused by your objection.

    So women twerking is fine. Is it black women twerking that represents the fall of civilisation?
    Maybe twerking with relation to abortion is the problem? If you believe it's a sober subject, which I think most people in this country believe it is, on both sides.
    That makes no sense.

    If a dance move at a protest can draw so much ire that its a debasing fall of civilisation, I wonder how much worse things could get?

    Next week, the horror as its revealed that Democrats are stooping to doing the Robot while demanding that guns aren't brought into schools.

    To top it off with the Moonwalk for protecting the First Amendment. Its like Sodom and Gomorrah come to life.
    How about twerking against an ambulance as victims of a shooting are being loaded into it?

    https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1407754778160025606
    There’s a brilliant Spanish guy in the thread below that, expressing his bewilderment

    “Why Black Americans do that wiggle of buttocks.. what does it mean? what does that mean in their culture?”

    “Well look .. Thanks for the contribution .. We always see that they buttocks move like this .. more the Africans but at the same time it must have a meaning, sometimes they do it in response to something, What do they mean by that dance? really many people ignore it.”

    https://twitter.com/ellaverov/status/1408739451765993472?s=21&t=oysRqHtCdUKbsxLp3CviDQ
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    He didn't. If I recall correctly, he lost his nerve, contemplated resigning, then after the leadership votes were over he seemed to tacitly support BJ indirectly by defending BJ's policies when people criticised them.

    Recently he has claimed that he want Boris gone
    General election, 2019.
    Every single one of you who voted Conservative is complicit in this and should apologise.
    I did not vote in 2019. I voted LibDem in 2017. I might never bother voting ever again.
    Vote - don't ever miss your opportunity.
    If I do it in Bootle, you've surely got to do it wherever you are.
    Remember this: https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/2575238#Comment_2575238
    I will not vote Tory and I cannot support Starmer.
    There is always another option I am very pleased to say.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited July 2022

    Chamberlain caught. Next target May. 4 weeks to survive........

    The Tory leadership election will take a couple of months. He stays in office while that takes place.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Yokes said:

    Hachet job will be incoming on Zahawi.

    He seems to have persuaded a lot of colleagues he is an untrustworthy figure ina very short space of time. Talk about using up all that goodwill from being vaccine minister.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The @Telegraph report the whips’ office have crunched the numbers and worked out Boris Johnson would get just 65 confidence votes out of nearly 360 Tory MPs

    https://twitter.com/mrmkimber/status/1544799547658047489?s=21&t=NSean3Rc3lWFcIt0a6lFAA

    That's Jeremy Corbyn levels of Confidence.

    Of course Corbyn then spent four more years in office. Boris will be lucky to get four more days.
    65 MPs though is the difference between the Tory majority in the Commons and not.

    If Boris lost they would need to commit to support the new Tory leader as PM to avoid a general election
    Why wouldn't they ?
    We are in uncharted territory, it depends how Boris fanatical they are
    They just like you will wholeheartedly back the new leader as Johnson disappears to make millions
    How could any Tory MP or Member who thinks seeking to remove a leader is treason possibly support any successor who came about by that treason?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267

    Heathener said:

    Very very unusual for me to come on here this late at night.

    Can't sleep.

    It's all a bit too much for someone who has watched politics.

    Dont feed any of us Mogwis after midnight whatever you do
    Indeed. Put them in shower instead. They can cool off in there.
    Its water isnt it? Ive got my Gremlin lore muddled up
    It was both. Feeding cocoons them as they breed more, but water was worse ...
    One thing about "Never feed them after midnight" I've never understood is, what time is acceptable?

    As every minute of the whole day is technically "after midnight"....
    The scientists actually asked that question in the second film. Plus midnight according to what time zone?

    Is the toast still in the toaster?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Scott_xP said:

    So we didn’t get those senior cabinet appointments by midnight but we did get one final resignation https://twitter.com/garethdavies_mp/status/1544817086744109057

    So is the Westminster Fire Brigade on standby down at No. 10 gardens?

    Just to make sure the burning files do NOT get out of control and burn down half of Whitehall?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526

    A May interregnum would be the least awful outcome for the party at this stage. Familiar face, opportunity to cool off etc.

    Ought to be Corbyn - runner-up last time, a sober unflashy type, just what we need. Economic policies not that different from Johnson, so a pleasing continuity too. :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    There seems to be a new thing of openly calling on the PM to go but not actually resigning. So what are you then? A freelance Minister? How do you serve as part of the PMs cabinet?

    Remarkable innovation, certainly. At least the rebels retain some dignity.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    "Theresa May could be drafted in as caretaker Prime Minister if Boris quits, sources say"

    https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1544801179162611714
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    I'm as confused as to why you posted that as I am about HYUFD's objection to women who twerk?

    From that article Braverman comes across as calm, measured and reasonable while Thornberry comes across as a fool who knew she was asking questions that can't be answered and had to get chided by the Deputy Speaker.
    Where did I object to women who twerk? That was Leon
    Where did I object to twerking per se? I did not
    Now I'm even more confused by your objection.

    So women twerking is fine. Is it black women twerking that represents the fall of civilisation?
    Maybe twerking with relation to abortion is the problem? If you believe it's a sober subject, which I think most people in this country believe it is, on both sides.
    That makes no sense.

    If a dance move at a protest can draw so much ire that its a debasing fall of civilisation, I wonder how much worse things could get?

    Next week, the horror as its revealed that Democrats are stooping to doing the Robot while demanding that guns aren't brought into schools.

    To top it off with the Moonwalk for protecting the First Amendment. Its like Sodom and Gomorrah come to life.
    How about twerking against an ambulance as victims of a shooting are being loaded into it?

    https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1407754778160025606
    There’s a brilliant Spanish guy in the thread below that, expressing his bewilderment

    “Why Black Americans do that wiggle of buttocks.. what does it mean? what does that mean in their culture?”

    “Well look .. Thanks for the contribution .. We always see that they buttocks move like this .. more the Africans but at the same time it must have a meaning, sometimes they do it in response to something, What do they mean by that dance? really many people ignore it.”

    https://twitter.com/ellaverov/status/1408739451765993472?s=21&t=oysRqHtCdUKbsxLp3CviDQ
    If we're having a go at Leftist Americans, let's even up the balance:

    https://twitter.com/SmnWeekly/status/1544338227900850177

    Tennessee Republican Rep. Scott DesJarlais is 100% anti-abortion

    Except that one time he asked his mistress to have an abortion in 2012

    Oh yeah and the two times his wife did have an abortion
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663

    A May interregnum would be the least awful outcome for the party at this stage. Familiar face, opportunity to cool off etc.

    Ought to be Corbyn - runner-up last time, a sober unflashy type, just what we need. Economic policies not that different from Johnson, so a pleasing continuity too. :)
    Got a good track record of voting with Tories too.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    edited July 2022
    Best thing that could happen for the country in the next few weeks:

    1. Boris Ousted

    2. Theresa May becomes interim PM to avoid Con blood letting

    3. SKS get FPN and resigns

    4. Wes Streeting becomes leader of the Opposition (and pledges Brexit is over and done with except for a few tweaks on NI)

    5. 2024 election - May Vs Streeting - Labour majority 20 - SNP seats halved.

    I think at that point the country could finally heal...

    Will it happen? I'd give it a 25% chance...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Chamberlain caught. Next target May. 4 weeks to survive........

    He'd make it with no difficulty, unless he forces them to remove him instantly, which he is getting close to doing.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874

    Chamberlain caught. Next target May. 4 weeks to survive........

    If May replaces him though, presumably she could leap frog him again!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Chamberlain caught. Next target May. 4 weeks to survive........

    If May replaces him though, presumably she could leap frog him again!
    Yes, indeed. Neville, not so much
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Andy_JS said:

    "Theresa May could be drafted in as caretaker Prime Minister if Boris quits, sources say"

    https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1544801179162611714


    Shouldn't that (more likely) be, Theresa May could be drafted as caretaker Prime Minister if Boris FAILS TO QUIT AND MAKES MPS THROW HIM OUT, sources say.

    That might just give him the motivation he needs!
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