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Well, exactly. In Godalming, there will be a street party and the council have decorated the High Street with all the flags of the Commonwealth, which I think is a nice idea. This has triggered a culture war on Facebook (literally hundreds of posts in 24 hours), with zealous monarchists demanding 100% Union Jacks, and zealous anti-imperialists denouncing Union Jacks. Supporters of the council in just celebrating the UK AND the Commonwealth as part of the Jubilee are murmuring wistfully that this should be an occasion for us all to get together, no?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I will be attending a couple of local street parties over the Jubilee weekend, including one on our street. I'm not sure that in the real world they are terribly divisive, where we live there are probably not many ardent royalists but attendees will have a range of views from those like me who support a constitutional monarchy to convinced republicans. We will all have a good time because we live in a nice friendly neighbourhood full of lovely people and the events are more about celebrating our community and having a good time than anything royalist or patriotic.RochdalePioneers said:
Good morning! On your latter points I feel there is a basic division which causes the problems. There are two groups:Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
Nick makes a good argument and I could see some defections by the conference season if the conservative party has not come to its senses and removed Boris
I would like to take this opportunity of saying that I am not a monarchist, notwithstanding my respect for the queen, and will not be attending any street parties or even watching much of the coverage
However, I do worry we are turning into a society that is joyless and where some want to denigrate those who are looking forward to the celebrations, which frankly is just acting as killjoys for something that shouldn't really bother anyone
We all need to be more tolerant and understanding to each other
Those who will celebrate / not celebrate for their own reasons
Those who will or won't celebrate for political reasons because it winds up the other lot
Frankly I find the spectacle of the monarchy to be amazing and preposterous in equal measure. The Ste Opening of Parliament was both the kind of pageant that we are experts at and an absurd spectacle in equal measure. And the Jubilee isn't much better.
The problem is that there are people who want to drape themselves in the Union flag to stick it up socialists / nationalists, and those repulsed by it all precisely because of the kind of people who are draped in the flag.
The solution is to steal back flags and symbols from the idiots. Blair got this right with the whole "Cool Britannia" thing (until we all got bored) and the Saltire up here is a national pride thing not a nat identity thing. So it can be done.6 -
You cannot search YT yourself?IshmaelZ said:
Link, or it didn't happen, and does it really work anyway? extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, commonplace ones don't, and what is this bloke doing on telly anyway if he doesn't like that sort of question?Beibheirli_C said:
I suggest that the next time a journalist asks such a question, the respondent ask them to drop their pants just to establish a basis for the conversation. There was a great vid on Youtube a few years back where a trans woman asked the (female) interviewer the same sort of questions that she normally got asked, but altered slightly - "Do you have a vagina? Can I see it? Are your boobs real? Can I touch them? When did you have your first period? What's it like having sex?" etc... The interviewer sad they were the most intrusive, rude and upsetting questions she had ever been asked....CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
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More that you are missing the point that aside from the hyper partisan and the political zealots nobody else cares.Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
Its a fascinating bit of political bubble projection that people may be made poorer and may be fed up with the government's massive failings but can't vote Labour because of something one of them said about what a woman us.
Politics was much more fun when the grown ups were on both sides. Could have genuine policy debates. Now its more like having to explain to the other side very excited by lady cocks that their issue is very small and the voters are far away.1 -
That clip's worth a watch. Nandy is great: clear answers, and rather witty: "I can't believe how many times the pair of us have said the word 'penis' on Breakfast TV - I'd like to apologise to all the listeners who are probably choking on their breakfast...."CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
And for those who say "why is Labour talking about this?", it is of course Ferrari who raised (sic) it.1 -
If Labour Shadow Ministers aren't able to answer a "pointless question" how confident can we be they'll be able to answer more challenging questions, let alone govern?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?4 -
I expect it is the reaction on the doorsteps which has to be toxicStark_Dawning said:
I wonder what's brought this on. It can't be PartyGate - most Tories think that's all part of Boris's charm. The CoL largesse?Big_G_NorthWales said:Conhome has Boris at the bottom of the cabinet ratings on -15
Just when will his mps come to their senses1 -
The RAF already finds it absolutely necessary to operate six (and two Hurricanes).Beibheirli_C said:
He will be announcing an order for Spitfires for the RAF nextCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
Prime Minister Boris Johnson now the least popular member of his own Cabinet among the Tory grassroots h/t @ConHome
Boris Johnson, winning again!
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We're heading into asthmatic ant and moving drinks cabinets six inches forward territory:Benpointer said:Is it me or is the daily MOD brief on Ukraine becoming lost in the realms of wishful thinking?
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1531143716840284161?s=20&t=FIwr0IRFqeu7iJ3RTVZDBQ
It starts with:
"Russia has likely suffered devastating losses amongst its mid and junior ranking officers..."
Whereas all the new outlets are indicating Russian progress, sadly, e.g. the BBC's "Heavy fighting as Russia advances into key eastern city".
https://twitter.com/mr_gh0stly/status/1529099871826894848
Meanwhile the balance is slowly shifting in the rest of Ukraine.1 -
The "Imperial" measurement bullshit is a gift...
“Doing things that take us back, rather than forward”, is pretty much the gov’t motto.
https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1531194476126928896
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remember - after the return of imperial measurements, the number of empires that Britain has will be zero (0)
hahaha, the guy defending the imperial system on the radio because it is “simpler” got the calculation wrong https://twitter.com/katie_martin_fx/status/15311764658107187280 -
Did you see how well she answered it? Top marks for Nandy.JACK_W said:
If Labour Shadow Ministers aren't able to answer a "pointless question" how confident can we be they'll be able to answer more challenging questions, let alone govern?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?0 -
I was watching the aftermath of the 1992 election the other day, the debate from Blair, Livingstone (!), the Tory bloke (can't remember, Brian Gould?) and Shirley Williams. They actually talked about policies and ideas.RochdalePioneers said:
More that you are missing the point that aside from the hyper partisan and the political zealots nobody else cares.Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
Its a fascinating bit of political bubble projection that people may be made poorer and may be fed up with the government's massive failings but can't vote Labour because of something one of them said about what a woman us.
Politics was much more fun when the grown ups were on both sides. Could have genuine policy debates. Now its more like having to explain to the other side very excited by lady cocks that their issue is very small and the voters are far away.
All quite dull really, can we go back to that?1 -
I wish Marf was still doing cartoons for PB.1
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Quite honestly if Labour don't run on forward not back I will be shocked.2
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"I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently...."Beibheirli_C said:
He will be announcing an order for Spitfires for the RAF nextCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
Prime Minister Boris Johnson now the least popular member of his own Cabinet among the Tory grassroots h/t @ConHome
Boris Johnson, winning again!1 -
Ed M chose a terrible team of advisers. He seems to have learned from that error, Johnson has not.Farooq said:
You do get to judge people by whom they have in their team, though.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.
Look at the idiots Boris has got in his inner circle. Who else is to blame if not him?1 -
Did you watch a different clip to me? She answered it.JACK_W said:
If Labour Shadow Ministers aren't able to answer a "pointless question" how confident can we be they'll be able to answer more challenging questions, let alone govern?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Johnson never answers anything, he's a moron0 -
No. Its an opportunity for the flag shaggers to show that THEY are the best patriot and all you trots and lefties and wokies can go back to Russia. And an opportunity for the people repulsed by the kind of gammon that shags flags to say this is what happens when you vote to leave the UK.NickPalmer said:
Well, exactly. In Godalming, there will be a street party and the council have decorated the High Street with all the flags of the Commonwealth, which I think is a nice idea. This has triggered a culture war on Facebook (literally hundreds of posts in 24 hours), with zealous monarchists demanding 100% Union Jacks, and zealous anti-imperialists denouncing Union Jacks. Supporters of the council in just celebrating the UK AND the Commonwealth as part of the Jubilee are murmuring wistfully that this should be an occasion for us all to get together, no?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I will be attending a couple of local street parties over the Jubilee weekend, including one on our street. I'm not sure that in the real world they are terribly divisive, where we live there are probably not many ardent royalists but attendees will have a range of views from those like me who support a constitutional monarchy to convinced republicans. We will all have a good time because we live in a nice friendly neighbourhood full of lovely people and the events are more about celebrating our community and having a good time than anything royalist or patriotic.RochdalePioneers said:
Good morning! On your latter points I feel there is a basic division which causes the problems. There are two groups:Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
Nick makes a good argument and I could see some defections by the conference season if the conservative party has not come to its senses and removed Boris
I would like to take this opportunity of saying that I am not a monarchist, notwithstanding my respect for the queen, and will not be attending any street parties or even watching much of the coverage
However, I do worry we are turning into a society that is joyless and where some want to denigrate those who are looking forward to the celebrations, which frankly is just acting as killjoys for something that shouldn't really bother anyone
We all need to be more tolerant and understanding to each other
Those who will celebrate / not celebrate for their own reasons
Those who will or won't celebrate for political reasons because it winds up the other lot
Frankly I find the spectacle of the monarchy to be amazing and preposterous in equal measure. The Ste Opening of Parliament was both the kind of pageant that we are experts at and an absurd spectacle in equal measure. And the Jubilee isn't much better.
The problem is that there are people who want to drape themselves in the Union flag to stick it up socialists / nationalists, and those repulsed by it all precisely because of the kind of people who are draped in the flag.
The solution is to steal back flags and symbols from the idiots. Blair got this right with the whole "Cool Britannia" thing (until we all got bored) and the Saltire up here is a national pride thing not a nat identity thing. So it can be done.
Meanwhile the 90% of the population not hating the other group scratch their heads and hope the cake will be nice at the street party.5 -
Mornin! Back from my little break away. On topic, get rid of Boris and the next defection will be Rosie Duffield to Conservatives.
Istr when the tories were leading a few months ago the Mail were saying a 'few' labour were planning to go Tory. Nahhhhhhh, but Rosie will if the circs are there, the first trans debate/culture wars crosser1 -
Jolly good job she didn't "...say choking on their breakfast sausage" which is what I no doubt would have accidentally said.Northern_Al said:
That clip's worth a watch. Nandy is great: clear answers, and rather witty: "I can't believe how many times the pair of us have said the word 'penis' on Breakfast TV - I'd like to apologise to all the listeners who are probably choking on their breakfast...."CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
And for those who say "why is Labour talking about this?", it is of course Ferrari who raised (sic) it.0 -
Sounds unexpectedly heated for Godalming! You could point out to the union flag shaggers that they also have all the commonwealth flags up in Central London (I cycled past them all today on my way in) so it almost certainly aligns with HMQ's own preference.NickPalmer said:
Well, exactly. In Godalming, there will be a street party and the council have decorated the High Street with all the flags of the Commonwealth, which I think is a nice idea. This has triggered a culture war on Facebook (literally hundreds of posts in 24 hours), with zealous monarchists demanding 100% Union Jacks, and zealous anti-imperialists denouncing Union Jacks. Supporters of the council in just celebrating the UK AND the Commonwealth as part of the Jubilee are murmuring wistfully that this should be an occasion for us all to get together, no?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I will be attending a couple of local street parties over the Jubilee weekend, including one on our street. I'm not sure that in the real world they are terribly divisive, where we live there are probably not many ardent royalists but attendees will have a range of views from those like me who support a constitutional monarchy to convinced republicans. We will all have a good time because we live in a nice friendly neighbourhood full of lovely people and the events are more about celebrating our community and having a good time than anything royalist or patriotic.RochdalePioneers said:
Good morning! On your latter points I feel there is a basic division which causes the problems. There are two groups:Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
Nick makes a good argument and I could see some defections by the conference season if the conservative party has not come to its senses and removed Boris
I would like to take this opportunity of saying that I am not a monarchist, notwithstanding my respect for the queen, and will not be attending any street parties or even watching much of the coverage
However, I do worry we are turning into a society that is joyless and where some want to denigrate those who are looking forward to the celebrations, which frankly is just acting as killjoys for something that shouldn't really bother anyone
We all need to be more tolerant and understanding to each other
Those who will celebrate / not celebrate for their own reasons
Those who will or won't celebrate for political reasons because it winds up the other lot
Frankly I find the spectacle of the monarchy to be amazing and preposterous in equal measure. The Ste Opening of Parliament was both the kind of pageant that we are experts at and an absurd spectacle in equal measure. And the Jubilee isn't much better.
The problem is that there are people who want to drape themselves in the Union flag to stick it up socialists / nationalists, and those repulsed by it all precisely because of the kind of people who are draped in the flag.
The solution is to steal back flags and symbols from the idiots. Blair got this right with the whole "Cool Britannia" thing (until we all got bored) and the Saltire up here is a national pride thing not a nat identity thing. So it can be done.1 -
I am amazed that the airframes have not exceeded their mandated life. Then again, the Americans are still flying B52s that are older than I amDura_Ace said:
The RAF already finds it absolutely necessary to operate six (and two Hurricanes).Beibheirli_C said:
He will be announcing an order for Spitfires for the RAF nextCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
Prime Minister Boris Johnson now the least popular member of his own Cabinet among the Tory grassroots h/t @ConHome
Boris Johnson, winning again!
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Rosie will not be going anywhere, the new policy was designed to keep her.wooliedyed said:Mornin! Back from my little break away. On topic, get rid of Boris and the next defection will be Rosie Duffield to Conservatives.
Istr when the tories were lwafing a few months ago the Mail were saying a 'few' labour were planning to go Tory. Nahhhhhhh, but Rosie will if the circs are there, the first trans debate/culture wars crosser0 -
I suppose 'northward' depends on how tight the northerly angle is.Pulpstar said:More rivers flowing generally northward - Weser, Elbe, Daugeva...
But pretty much any significant length of north coast will have rivers flowing into it from the south.0 -
Like Ed Balls, hes a better comedy/social media novelty act than politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.0 -
Quite right too.Dura_Ace said:
The RAF already finds it absolutely necessary to operate six (and two Hurricanes).Beibheirli_C said:
He will be announcing an order for Spitfires for the RAF nextCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
Prime Minister Boris Johnson now the least popular member of his own Cabinet among the Tory grassroots h/t @ConHome
Boris Johnson, winning again!
The heritage of our armed forces is an important part of their overall effectiveness. Try telling the Royal Navy to set a match to HMS Victory.0 -
"In the area of animal welfare, which is my main focus these days, his government has been better than most so far."
Like favoring dogs over people at Kabul airport? At tax-payer' expense?
I would love to be corrected here.0 -
Ed Balls would be a superb PM as of today.wooliedyed said:
Like Ed Balls, hes a better comedy/social media novelty act than politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.0 -
TBF, some questions do not have sensible answers so you have no chance if asked oneJACK_W said:
If Labour Shadow Ministers aren't able to answer a "pointless question" how confident can we be they'll be able to answer more challenging questions, let alone govern?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?0 -
Even as recently as the 2010 parliament we could have debate on issues. There was internal debate / rows inside the coalition (and the two parties internally) which led to some quite good things coming out amongst the bloody awful. And Ed Milliband was good at probing those gaps and pushing things along. Remember that his analysis of the "squeezed middle" still drives Tory policy today.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I was watching the aftermath of the 1992 election the other day, the debate from Blair, Livingstone (!), the Tory bloke (can't remember, Brian Gould?) and Shirley Williams. They actually talked about policies and ideas.RochdalePioneers said:
More that you are missing the point that aside from the hyper partisan and the political zealots nobody else cares.Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
Its a fascinating bit of political bubble projection that people may be made poorer and may be fed up with the government's massive failings but can't vote Labour because of something one of them said about what a woman us.
Politics was much more fun when the grown ups were on both sides. Could have genuine policy debates. Now its more like having to explain to the other side very excited by lady cocks that their issue is very small and the voters are far away.
All quite dull really, can we go back to that?
What great bits of insight did we get from either the Corbynite cult or the Boris circus?1 -
The batshit crazy wing will drive her out eventuallyCorrectHorseBattery said:
Rosie will not be going anywhere, the new policy was designed to keep her.wooliedyed said:Mornin! Back from my little break away. On topic, get rid of Boris and the next defection will be Rosie Duffield to Conservatives.
Istr when the tories were lwafing a few months ago the Mail were saying a 'few' labour were planning to go Tory. Nahhhhhhh, but Rosie will if the circs are there, the first trans debate/culture wars crosser0 -
Last Thursday, Labour was 9% ahead of the Conservatives in our Westminster Voting Intention Poll.
Today, and every Monday and Thursday, at 5pm, we will release our latest poll.
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Update: AFP: Deputy Secretary-General of NATO: The alliance is free from its previous commitments with Russia not to deploy its forces in Eastern Europe.
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Weakish point surely? If multiple senior labour figures have issued conflicting statements over whether the moon is made of Stilton, why would a political interviewer not ask the question of a senior labour figure he is interviewing? It was Ferrari who raised the whole cheese issue is not really a answer.Northern_Al said:
That clip's worth a watch. Nandy is great: clear answers, and rather witty: "I can't believe how many times the pair of us have said the word 'penis' on Breakfast TV - I'd like to apologise to all the listeners who are probably choking on their breakfast...."CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
And for those who say "why is Labour talking about this?", it is of course Ferrari who raised (sic) it.
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Do Britons believe the Gov't is currently taking the right measures to address the cost-of-living crisis?
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Standard wording every Monday. Labour lead of 5 to 7CorrectHorseBattery said:Last Thursday, Labour was 9% ahead of the Conservatives in our Westminster Voting Intention Poll.
Today, and every Monday and Thursday, at 5pm, we will release our latest poll.
Who will be leading in this week's poll? And by how much?
Follow us @RedfieldWilton to find out.
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But the Labour front-bench has NOT released conflicting answers. As I keep saying, they keep repeating the same policy!IshmaelZ said:
Weakish point surely? If multiple senior labour figures have issued conflicting statements over whether the moon is made of Stilton, why would a political interviewer not ask the question of a senior labour figure he is interviewing? It was Ferrari who raised the whole cheese issue is not really a answer.Northern_Al said:
That clip's worth a watch. Nandy is great: clear answers, and rather witty: "I can't believe how many times the pair of us have said the word 'penis' on Breakfast TV - I'd like to apologise to all the listeners who are probably choking on their breakfast...."CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
And for those who say "why is Labour talking about this?", it is of course Ferrari who raised (sic) it.1 -
It was a joke.wooliedyed said:
Standard wording every Monday. Labour lead of 5 to 7CorrectHorseBattery said:Last Thursday, Labour was 9% ahead of the Conservatives in our Westminster Voting Intention Poll.
Today, and every Monday and Thursday, at 5pm, we will release our latest poll.
Who will be leading in this week's poll? And by how much?
Follow us @RedfieldWilton to find out.
Tory lead?0 -
He really wouldntCorrectHorseBattery said:
Ed Balls would be a superb PM as of today.wooliedyed said:
Like Ed Balls, hes a better comedy/social media novelty act than politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.0 -
Some of the aircraft that pre-date finite element analysis and other computerised wizardry are massively over-engineered (eg B-52, RC-135, KC-135). They did not know how to design aircraft to align the fatigue life with the expected operational life. Of course, they occasionally got it wrong in the other direction too...Beibheirli_C said:
I am amazed that the airframes have not exceeded their mandated life. Then again, the Americans are still flying B52s that are older than I amDura_Ace said:
The RAF already finds it absolutely necessary to operate six (and two Hurricanes).Beibheirli_C said:
He will be announcing an order for Spitfires for the RAF nextCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
Prime Minister Boris Johnson now the least popular member of his own Cabinet among the Tory grassroots h/t @ConHome
Boris Johnson, winning again!3 -
And that's where this whole thing has come from. The way the land masses are arranged means that a lot of north facing coasts are in high latitudes.another_richard said:
I suppose 'northward' depends on how tight the northerly angle is.Pulpstar said:More rivers flowing generally northward - Weser, Elbe, Daugeva...
But pretty much any significant length of north coast will have rivers flowing into it from the south.0 -
Seriously doubt Brian Gould was the Tory!CorrectHorseBattery said:
I was watching the aftermath of the 1992 election the other day, the debate from Blair, Livingstone (!), the Tory bloke (can't remember, Brian Gould?) and Shirley Williams. They actually talked about policies and ideas.RochdalePioneers said:
More that you are missing the point that aside from the hyper partisan and the political zealots nobody else cares.Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
Its a fascinating bit of political bubble projection that people may be made poorer and may be fed up with the government's massive failings but can't vote Labour because of something one of them said about what a woman us.
Politics was much more fun when the grown ups were on both sides. Could have genuine policy debates. Now its more like having to explain to the other side very excited by lady cocks that their issue is very small and the voters are far away.
All quite dull really, can we go back to that?1 -
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring0 -
Context would be greatCarlottaVance said:Update: AFP: Deputy Secretary-General of NATO: The alliance is free from its previous commitments with Russia not to deploy its forces in Eastern Europe.
https://twitter.com/endgameww3/status/1531162454595620864
here's the speech he made last week in Vilnius
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_195840.htm
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Unless they are leading. And BJicispm foreverCorrectHorseBattery said:
It was a joke.wooliedyed said:
Standard wording every Monday. Labour lead of 5 to 7CorrectHorseBattery said:Last Thursday, Labour was 9% ahead of the Conservatives in our Westminster Voting Intention Poll.
Today, and every Monday and Thursday, at 5pm, we will release our latest poll.
Who will be leading in this week's poll? And by how much?
Follow us @RedfieldWilton to find out.
Tory lead?0 -
No you're right, I don't know who I am thinking ofdixiedean said:
Seriously doubt Brian Gould was the Tory!CorrectHorseBattery said:
I was watching the aftermath of the 1992 election the other day, the debate from Blair, Livingstone (!), the Tory bloke (can't remember, Brian Gould?) and Shirley Williams. They actually talked about policies and ideas.RochdalePioneers said:
More that you are missing the point that aside from the hyper partisan and the political zealots nobody else cares.Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
Its a fascinating bit of political bubble projection that people may be made poorer and may be fed up with the government's massive failings but can't vote Labour because of something one of them said about what a woman us.
Politics was much more fun when the grown ups were on both sides. Could have genuine policy debates. Now its more like having to explain to the other side very excited by lady cocks that their issue is very small and the voters are far away.
All quite dull really, can we go back to that?0 -
Huge insight there.wooliedyed said:
He really wouldntCorrectHorseBattery said:
Ed Balls would be a superb PM as of today.wooliedyed said:
Like Ed Balls, hes a better comedy/social media novelty act than politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.0 -
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring1 -
Spot on. All these 'trans', 'wokism', 'cancel culture' issues are puffed up by right-wing tossers who generally don't have to worry about mundane things like paying for food or heating.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?2 -
Nah he had a "pro" and "anti" trans person on and he gave the "anti" trans one a far harder time.Benpointer said:
Does Nick Ferrari post on here as @Leon? They both seem equally obsessed with penises.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Great answer from Nandy btw - it's the first time I have really watched her in an interview like that tbh. Rather impressive.
But he is also wily (and right wing) enough to know how to trip up politicos.
I like him. And James O'Brien. Both make me want to call them and virulently disagree with their political take on things.1 -
I think there may be some DC3s flying still. Perhaps by "bush" pilots in places like Alaska.Dura_Ace said:
Some of the aircraft that pre-date finite element analysis and other computerised wizardry are massively over-engineered (eg B-52, RC-135, KC-135). They did not know how to design aircraft to align the fatigue life with the expected operational life. Of course, they occasionally got it wrong in the other direction too...Beibheirli_C said:
I am amazed that the airframes have not exceeded their mandated life. Then again, the Americans are still flying B52s that are older than I amDura_Ace said:
The RAF already finds it absolutely necessary to operate six (and two Hurricanes).Beibheirli_C said:
He will be announcing an order for Spitfires for the RAF nextCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
Prime Minister Boris Johnson now the least popular member of his own Cabinet among the Tory grassroots h/t @ConHome
Boris Johnson, winning again!1 -
Do you know what people think is the 'right measure' ?CorrectHorseBattery said:Do Britons believe the Gov't is currently taking the right measures to address the cost-of-living crisis?
Yes 16%
No 70%
Do Britons believe a Gov't led by the Labour Party would currently be taking the right measures to address the cost-of-living crisis?
Yes 36%
No 36%
Its "take it from them and give it to me".
The problem any government has is that some of the taking always comes from 'people like me' and some of the giving always goes to 'people like them'.0 -
In response to an article in the Telegraph by Stella Creasy, MP.Northern_Al said:
That clip's worth a watch. Nandy is great: clear answers, and rather witty: "I can't believe how many times the pair of us have said the word 'penis' on Breakfast TV - I'd like to apologise to all the listeners who are probably choking on their breakfast...."CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
And for those who say "why is Labour talking about this?", it is of course Ferrari who raised (sic) it.
Ferrari’s question “be born with” rather than “have” let Nandy elegantly dance around the subject. The TLDR Nandy answer was “yes” to the latter. This has implications in for example, the Criminal Justice system:
As a politician of the left I don’t normally look to Policy Exchange to shape my views on policy development, but I’m grateful to them for publishing this paper by@OHaraMaureen9 with my foreword. All politicians should read it.
https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/transgenderism-and-policy-capture-in-the-criminal-justice-system/
https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/15311890724919091201 -
A bit like 'Ed Balls would be a great PM today' tbf Horse. Ones a suggestion, the others a disagreement.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Huge insight there.wooliedyed said:
He really wouldntCorrectHorseBattery said:
Ed Balls would be a superb PM as of today.wooliedyed said:
Like Ed Balls, hes a better comedy/social media novelty act than politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.
Dont start gettimg pissy with me because im disagreeing with you.0 -
It was just a light touch joke buddywooliedyed said:
A bit like 'Ed Balls would be a great PM today' tbf Horse. Ones a suggestion, the others a disagreement.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Huge insight there.wooliedyed said:
He really wouldntCorrectHorseBattery said:
Ed Balls would be a superb PM as of today.wooliedyed said:
Like Ed Balls, hes a better comedy/social media novelty act than politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.
Dont start gettimg pissy with me because im disagreeing with you.1 -
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Lucky for BoZo that the watered down report has absolutely put the issue to bed forever...0 -
Oh dear.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring
I say "I believe not X". You then ask "do you honestly believe X?"
A little bit of assumption of good faith in the discussion wouldn't go amiss.0 -
I haven't commented much on the trans debate but there must be perplexed parents when their children hear the question from various journalist and innocently askwooliedyed said:Mornin! Back from my little break away. On topic, get rid of Boris and the next defection will be Rosie Duffield to Conservatives.
Istr when the tories were leading a few months ago the Mail were saying a 'few' labour were planning to go Tory. Nahhhhhhh, but Rosie will if the circs are there, the first trans debate/culture wars crosser
'Mummy, do you have a penis' ?3 -
It feeds into a wider debate about 'wokeism' or more precisely, the extreme positions being taken by the more radical leftists. We have a baby version of the much bigger issue over all this raging in AmericaCorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring2 -
cannot is one thing, CBA another.Beibheirli_C said:
You cannot search YT yourself?IshmaelZ said:
Link, or it didn't happen, and does it really work anyway? extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, commonplace ones don't, and what is this bloke doing on telly anyway if he doesn't like that sort of question?Beibheirli_C said:
I suggest that the next time a journalist asks such a question, the respondent ask them to drop their pants just to establish a basis for the conversation. There was a great vid on Youtube a few years back where a trans woman asked the (female) interviewer the same sort of questions that she normally got asked, but altered slightly - "Do you have a vagina? Can I see it? Are your boobs real? Can I touch them? When did you have your first period? What's it like having sex?" etc... The interviewer sad they were the most intrusive, rude and upsetting questions she had ever been asked....CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
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You said you can ignore polls about issues, why?Applicant said:
Oh dear.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring
I say "I believe not X". You then ask "do you honestly believe X?"
A little bit of assumption of good faith in the discussion wouldn't go amiss.1 -
And how many people care about wokeism? Really?wooliedyed said:
It feeds into a wider debate about 'wokeism' or more precisely, the extreme positions being taken by the more radical leftists. We have a baby version of the much bigger issue over all this raging in AmericaCorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring
My Dad is a lifelong Tory, even he doesn't care2 -
Because decades of polling on "what do you think are the most important issues facing Britain today?" have shown that they always follow the news, they never lead it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You said you can ignore polls about issues, why?Applicant said:
Oh dear.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring
I say "I believe not X". You then ask "do you honestly believe X?"
A little bit of assumption of good faith in the discussion wouldn't go amiss.1 -
Okey dokes, alls well in the stableCorrectHorseBattery said:
It was just a light touch joke buddywooliedyed said:
A bit like 'Ed Balls would be a great PM today' tbf Horse. Ones a suggestion, the others a disagreement.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Huge insight there.wooliedyed said:
He really wouldntCorrectHorseBattery said:
Ed Balls would be a superb PM as of today.wooliedyed said:
Like Ed Balls, hes a better comedy/social media novelty act than politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.
Dont start gettimg pissy with me because im disagreeing with you.0 -
J K Rowling is right wing ?Benpointer said:
Spot on. All these 'trans', 'wokism', 'cancel culture' issues are puffed up by right-wing tossers who generally don't have to worry about mundane things like paying for food or heating.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?0 -
Life beckons! Later peeps!
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Reminds me of the Open Class Cirrus I had. Early use of Fibreglass spars. Man, those wings were heavy.Dura_Ace said:
Some of the aircraft that pre-date finite element analysis and other computerised wizardry are massively over-engineered (eg B-52, RC-135, KC-135). They did not know how to design aircraft to align the fatigue life with the expected operational life. Of course, they occasionally got it wrong in the other direction too...Beibheirli_C said:
I am amazed that the airframes have not exceeded their mandated life. Then again, the Americans are still flying B52s that are older than I amDura_Ace said:
The RAF already finds it absolutely necessary to operate six (and two Hurricanes).Beibheirli_C said:
He will be announcing an order for Spitfires for the RAF nextCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
Prime Minister Boris Johnson now the least popular member of his own Cabinet among the Tory grassroots h/t @ConHome
Boris Johnson, winning again!
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I am in great form as are you mwooliedyed said:
Okey dokes, alls well in the stableCorrectHorseBattery said:
It was just a light touch joke buddywooliedyed said:
A bit like 'Ed Balls would be a great PM today' tbf Horse. Ones a suggestion, the others a disagreement.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Huge insight there.wooliedyed said:
He really wouldntCorrectHorseBattery said:
Ed Balls would be a superb PM as of today.wooliedyed said:
Like Ed Balls, hes a better comedy/social media novelty act than politician.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I liked Ed M, he would have been a much better PM than anyone else who has come since.Applicant said:
2015? The complete lack of policies, for a start. Out of his great six "policies", as carved in stone, five and a half of them were things that nobody on any side would have disagreed with.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You voted Labour in 2012 so in the local elections? What did Ed M do in 2015 to annoy you so much?Applicant said:
My pals? I voted Labour as recently as 2012 and have been begging for months for them to come up with some decent policies so I can consider voting for them again - but all they seem to be able to come up with is "the same mistakes the Tories are making, but bigger" - oh, and the "new policy" that biology is a thing.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You must be gutted your pals are so far behind in the polls, beergate failed and now surely Johnson must be announcing a new bridge to the moon?Applicant said:.
Yeah, and it's a bit much for a one-eyed Labourite to complain about the technique only on the rare occasions it's used on them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am afraid that once the media latch onto something they will pursue the ' gocha' moment ad infinitumCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Windfall tax, cutting VAT - the Tories keep stealing them
And in any case in 2015 I voted Lib Dem because, on balance, despite some of their shenanigans in coalition, they deserved a better reward for doing the right thing and going into coalition with Cameron.
As for windfall tax - you prove my point. A terrible idea that Labour would do the same, but bigger.
He had a terrible team of advisers.
Dont start gettimg pissy with me because im disagreeing with you.0 -
Formula 1 does this really well. They have a programme of support races before the Grand Prix, then put on a concert after the race finishes to control the exit of the crowd from the venue.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Couldn't grounds do more to encourage this? Put some show on before hand that some fans would like to be there for but not others? Bring out a big screen and what highlights of their route to the final?noneoftheabove said:
Not unusual at these events that some of the entrances work fine, and others don't. So two fans arriving at the ground at same time might get in hours apart.tlg86 said:
This morning on TalkSPORT they had a Liverpool fan on who said they got to the ground two and a quarter hours before kick off, but wasn't able to get into the ground until after the scheduled kick off time. What I want to know is, what time did the Liverpool fans who were in the ground an hour before the scheduled kick off arrive?Big_G_NorthWales said:I see a French Minister is blaming Liverpool fans for arriving without tickets
I would just say that even if some did, it was upto the organisation of the event to put in arrangements to check tickets further out from the perimeter of the ground and from what I have seen and read the French Minister should hang his head in shame as families and their children were tear gassed by his police
For this type of game where it is obvious there can be problems, I would generally look to be at the ground at least 3.5 hours before kick off and be getting inside the stadium at least 2 hours before kick off, preferably 2.5.
When I go to concerts at the O2, this is effectively what happens.0 -
I am sure that I read they did put in an outer perimeter to check tickets. Perhaps someone who was there would know? Still, plenty of reports from people who got tickets from official UEFA and club sources being told, like the poster on here, that they were fake, so there's obviously something up.Big_G_NorthWales said:I see a French Minister is blaming Liverpool fans for arriving without tickets
I would just say that even if some did, it was upto the organisation of the event to put in arrangements to check tickets further out from the perimeter of the ground and from what I have seen and read the French Minister should hang his head in shame as families and their children were tear gassed by his police
It looks like neither side are going to let this go, and I suspect it'll end up with plenty of criticism all round. Klopp was foolish to tell fans to go without tickets, and there are videos all over of fans in red shirts climbing walls and forcing there way through ticket barriers. There were lots of congratulatory posts around before the match about how many more Liverpool fans were about compared with Madrid fans. The reaction of the police was excessive, and clearly that continued in situations where they weren't under any pressure at all, with people being tear gassed through fences.
I know that sadly football fans of a club are often all tarred with the same brush, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that Liverpool fans who bought legit tickets, and travelled at often great expense to Paris, are not more angry with the idiots who bought fake tickets, or climbed over fences.1 -
The measure is simply removing a restriction on how people do commerce. Returning freedom to the people. What’s actually wrong with that?IshmaelZ said:
I think they have never actually used a map or GPS on a walk, nor ever been shopping. I doubt people ever bought bananas by weight in the first place and you certainly don't now, you self-select and weigh to get a price not a weight.turbotubbs said:
The imperial measures nonsense is such nonsense, not least as I distinctly remember ordering pints of beer and cider on saturday after cricket and receiving them. And they were the full 568 ml.RochdalePioneers said:
Its the exact same lack of political nous that goes with zealots of every persuasion. They are Right. They speak the Truth. So if you disagree with them you are wrong and a liar and obviously working for the other side.rottenborough said:
The latter sounds like a classic core vote operation. In which case, we can say hello to PM Starmer.Beibheirli_C said:On topic:
I think you are mistaken Nick. Those in weaker seats seem to be fearful of rocking the boat. Johnson sycophants will never vote against him and (having been so close to Boris) would a Labour CLP accept them? That leaves the MPs in strong seats who will not throw that away for a less strong position under Labour.
If they do not defenestrate Boris then I expect all we will see are more lurches to the right, harsher policies - esp. Law and Order - and lots more weaponised nostaligia.
Which is how we ended up with a Corbyn project which disappeared up its own paranoid arse and a Johnson government now thinking that "THEY BANNED CROWN LOGOS ON PINT GLASSES" is a vote winner.
No issues at all.
Really, if this is the best the government has, its time to go and have a hard think about what being in power is for.0 -
What I do know is, neither party wants a tighter monetary policy. And in the long-term, that is the only answer.another_richard said:
Do you know what people think is the 'right measure' ?CorrectHorseBattery said:Do Britons believe the Gov't is currently taking the right measures to address the cost-of-living crisis?
Yes 16%
No 70%
Do Britons believe a Gov't led by the Labour Party would currently be taking the right measures to address the cost-of-living crisis?
Yes 36%
No 36%
Its "take it from them and give it to me".
The problem any government has is that some of the taking always comes from 'people like me' and some of the giving always goes to 'people like them'.0 -
Like i said, its a reaction to the radical position of the loony left mainly, where there is a drastic move from 'just be nice/tolerant' to 'everything is racist/transphobic/youre all privileged' bull. Labour tend towards the latter the leftwards in the party you scanCorrectHorseBattery said:
And how many people care about wokeism? Really?wooliedyed said:
It feeds into a wider debate about 'wokeism' or more precisely, the extreme positions being taken by the more radical leftists. We have a baby version of the much bigger issue over all this raging in AmericaCorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring
My Dad is a lifelong Tory, even he doesn't care
Edit - like anything the radicsls will come up against a brick wall when they start telling ths people who just want to be left alone that they are all privileged, racist transphobes1 -
Or run in parallel with it? This is like saying you can ignore the news because it is always slightly behind the stuff which is actually happens. Feedback loops seems a relevant concept.Applicant said:
Because decades of polling on "what do you think are the most important issues facing Britain today?" have shown that they always follow the news, they never lead it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You said you can ignore polls about issues, why?Applicant said:
Oh dear.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring
I say "I believe not X". You then ask "do you honestly believe X?"
A little bit of assumption of good faith in the discussion wouldn't go amiss.
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Really pleased to see this liberalisation of the immigration rules being announced. An excellent idea: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61628740
The one thing that put me off Brexit as an idea is the anti-immigration ranting of Farage etc al and one thing that won me around to switching sides during the referendum campaign was Gove and Boris not being anti immigration and actually talking about how if we had controlled immigration it could be liberalised in areas.
Regardless of what one thinks of Brexit, I hope we can all agree liberalising so more of the best and brightest can come here is a good thing. 👍6 -
For whatever weird reason, I heard that in the voice of Prince Charles.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I haven't commented much on the trans debate but there must be perplexed parents when their children hear the question from various journalist and innocently askwooliedyed said:Mornin! Back from my little break away. On topic, get rid of Boris and the next defection will be Rosie Duffield to Conservatives.
Istr when the tories were leading a few months ago the Mail were saying a 'few' labour were planning to go Tory. Nahhhhhhh, but Rosie will if the circs are there, the first trans debate/culture wars crosser
'Mummy, do you have a penis' ?
'Ask your dad' would work as an answer on several levels.0 -
So you CBA = "it didn't happen"?IshmaelZ said:
cannot is one thing, CBA another.Beibheirli_C said:
You cannot search YT yourself?IshmaelZ said:
Link, or it didn't happen, and does it really work anyway? extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, commonplace ones don't, and what is this bloke doing on telly anyway if he doesn't like that sort of question?Beibheirli_C said:
I suggest that the next time a journalist asks such a question, the respondent ask them to drop their pants just to establish a basis for the conversation. There was a great vid on Youtube a few years back where a trans woman asked the (female) interviewer the same sort of questions that she normally got asked, but altered slightly - "Do you have a vagina? Can I see it? Are your boobs real? Can I touch them? When did you have your first period? What's it like having sex?" etc... The interviewer sad they were the most intrusive, rude and upsetting questions she had ever been asked....CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?0 -
I know a family who named their ducklings “Grouse” “Oar” and “Duck”Pulpstar said:
My neighbour's kids have adopted this sort of naming convention for their ducks - two of them are called "Runner" and "Peking"Nigelb said:
(FPT) There's a Judge Judge, so what's wrong with River River ?ydoethur said:
We could Baugh for England on this topic.Carnyx said:First!
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Esk/Usk/etc is also Brythonic for water (cf. Gaelic Uisge in the first element of 'whisky') ... hence the number of Esks and for that matter Axe and Exe too ...ydoethur said:
Because it's from the Welsh 'Afon' meaning 'river.'Carnyx said:
Yes, but which Avon? There are at least three ignoring soundalikes.kjh said:
Same here. I was at a party and when the Northavon result came in as a LD win we all looked at each other going where the f*** is Northavon? A bit of thought and we could probably worked out it was north of the Avon.Foxy said:
1997 was quite some election. I really enjoyed it.dixiedean said:
There can be no doubt whatsoever that in 1997 Britain was a land of pure delight at the wisdom and foresight of its benign and wise rulers.HYUFD said:
In 1997, crime was falling thanks to Howard and unemployment was low and the economy was growing, certainly a better legacy on that than Brown Labour in 2010Gardenwalker said:
The Tory record on crime is appalling.Foxy said:
The 1997 pledge card pledged to halve the time to sentencing for young offenders.Gardenwalker said:I’m not convinced “bobbies on the beat” *doesn’t* work, if one can use the term in the fullest sense.
To me it implies policemen who take have the time and focus to really understand a specific local community and can therefore act prophylactically, as it were.
That sort of pledge should run again. Waiting lists for trial dates are a scandal. In practice a lot of cases are going to have to be abandoned otherwise.
Also on health care.
Also on standards of living.
I can’t think of a government - not since Major’s Tories indeed - with a poorer record to take to the voters on the three most salient issues.
That the economy had picked up didn't endear the government to the voters.
It's always amused me that so many people river to the 'River Avon' unaware that it's a tautology.
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The difference between them is that Nick Ferrari can give people a hard time whilst being polite. James O'Brien is incapable of being anything but rude to people he disagrees with.TOPPING said:
Nah he had a "pro" and "anti" trans person on and he gave the "anti" trans one a far harder time.Benpointer said:
Does Nick Ferrari post on here as @Leon? They both seem equally obsessed with penises.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Great answer from Nandy btw - it's the first time I have really watched her in an interview like that tbh. Rather impressive.
But he is also wily (and right wing) enough to know how to trip up politicos.
I like him. And James O'Brien. Both make me want to call them and virulently disagree with their political take on things.4 -
Allegans probare debet is the family motto.Benpointer said:
So you CBA = "it didn't happen"?IshmaelZ said:
cannot is one thing, CBA another.Beibheirli_C said:
You cannot search YT yourself?IshmaelZ said:
Link, or it didn't happen, and does it really work anyway? extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, commonplace ones don't, and what is this bloke doing on telly anyway if he doesn't like that sort of question?Beibheirli_C said:
I suggest that the next time a journalist asks such a question, the respondent ask them to drop their pants just to establish a basis for the conversation. There was a great vid on Youtube a few years back where a trans woman asked the (female) interviewer the same sort of questions that she normally got asked, but altered slightly - "Do you have a vagina? Can I see it? Are your boobs real? Can I touch them? When did you have your first period? What's it like having sex?" etc... The interviewer sad they were the most intrusive, rude and upsetting questions she had ever been asked....CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
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There's quite a lot left unsaid between the lines in this rather carefully crafted Mirror piece.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/who-boris-johnsons-wife-carrie-27082155.amp1 -
Alexander Fraser Tytler:tlg86 said:
What I do know is, neither party wants a tighter monetary policy. And in the long-term, that is the only answer.another_richard said:
Do you know what people think is the 'right measure' ?CorrectHorseBattery said:Do Britons believe the Gov't is currently taking the right measures to address the cost-of-living crisis?
Yes 16%
No 70%
Do Britons believe a Gov't led by the Labour Party would currently be taking the right measures to address the cost-of-living crisis?
Yes 36%
No 36%
Its "take it from them and give it to me".
The problem any government has is that some of the taking always comes from 'people like me' and some of the giving always goes to 'people like them'.
'A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.'5 -
But does the news follow popular opinion, rather than shape it? Brooks in her evidence to Leveson said that the newsroom paid very careful attention to comments and responses to stories. You’re not a “popular press” if you keep banging on about things people don’t care about.Applicant said:
Because decades of polling on "what do you think are the most important issues facing Britain today?" have shown that they always follow the news, they never lead it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You said you can ignore polls about issues, why?Applicant said:
Oh dear.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring
I say "I believe not X". You then ask "do you honestly believe X?"
A little bit of assumption of good faith in the discussion wouldn't go amiss.1 -
Great post, especially the final paragraph.nova said:
I am sure that I read they did put in an outer perimeter to check tickets. Perhaps someone who was there would know? Still, plenty of reports from people who got tickets from official UEFA and club sources being told, like the poster on here, that they were fake, so there's obviously something up.Big_G_NorthWales said:I see a French Minister is blaming Liverpool fans for arriving without tickets
I would just say that even if some did, it was upto the organisation of the event to put in arrangements to check tickets further out from the perimeter of the ground and from what I have seen and read the French Minister should hang his head in shame as families and their children were tear gassed by his police
It looks like neither side are going to let this go, and I suspect it'll end up with plenty of criticism all round. Klopp was foolish to tell fans to go without tickets, and there are videos all over of fans in red shirts climbing walls and forcing there way through ticket barriers. There were lots of congratulatory posts around before the match about how many more Liverpool fans were about compared with Madrid fans. The reaction of the police was excessive, and clearly that continued in situations where they weren't under any pressure at all, with people being tear gassed through fences.
I know that sadly football fans of a club are often all tarred with the same brush, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that Liverpool fans who bought legit tickets, and travelled at often great expense to Paris, are not more angry with the idiots who bought fake tickets, or climbed over fences.
In 2013, my tickets for Fulham v Arsenal (in the away end, so very sought after tickets) didn't turn up. I rang Arsenal who put me in touch with Fulham. They agreed to duplicate the tickets and give them to me at the box office before the game. So we turned up early, got our tickets and went in. 10 minutes into the game, a couple of young lads come down our row with the original tickets wanting to stand (we don't sit at away games) where we were. We told them to get lost (they did, I can't remember where they went), but in hindsight, I should really have found a copper (plenty in the away end) and said that there were two lads in possession of stolen property.0 -
Fair point. I'm not sure she has to worry about her food and heating bills though. ;-)Big_G_NorthWales said:
J K Rowling is right wing ?Benpointer said:
Spot on. All these 'trans', 'wokism', 'cancel culture' issues are puffed up by right-wing tossers who generally don't have to worry about mundane things like paying for food or heating.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?1 -
I could live with this, though tweaking of the 5 years might be good.BartholomewRoberts said:Really pleased to see this liberalisation of the immigration rules being announced. An excellent idea: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61628740
The one thing that put me off Brexit as an idea is the anti-immigration ranting of Farage etc al and one thing that won me around to switching sides during the referendum campaign was Gove and Boris not being anti immigration and actually talking about how if we had controlled immigration it could be liberalised in areas.
Regardless of what one thinks of Brexit, I hope we can all agree liberalising so more of the best and brightest can come here is a good thing. 👍0 -
O'Brien is unbearable. And obsessed with Brexit. He oozes 'if only the plebs saw the world correctly like me' arroganceAlistairM said:
The difference between them is that Nick Ferrari can give people a hard time whilst being polite. James O'Brien is incapable of being anything but rude to people he disagrees with.TOPPING said:
Nah he had a "pro" and "anti" trans person on and he gave the "anti" trans one a far harder time.Benpointer said:
Does Nick Ferrari post on here as @Leon? They both seem equally obsessed with penises.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Great answer from Nandy btw - it's the first time I have really watched her in an interview like that tbh. Rather impressive.
But he is also wily (and right wing) enough to know how to trip up politicos.
I like him. And James O'Brien. Both make me want to call them and virulently disagree with their political take on things.4 -
Why on earth does Ferrari think it's important to ask Nandy about this? There's only one reason - he wants to catch her out.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I haven't commented much on the trans debate but there must be perplexed parents when their children hear the question from various journalist and innocently askwooliedyed said:Mornin! Back from my little break away. On topic, get rid of Boris and the next defection will be Rosie Duffield to Conservatives.
Istr when the tories were leading a few months ago the Mail were saying a 'few' labour were planning to go Tory. Nahhhhhhh, but Rosie will if the circs are there, the first trans debate/culture wars crosser
'Mummy, do you have a penis' ?
Failed dismally on that clip.2 -
Everyone and everything that is not on message now is far right. Radical Democrat America has decreed it!Big_G_NorthWales said:
J K Rowling is right wing ?Benpointer said:
Spot on. All these 'trans', 'wokism', 'cancel culture' issues are puffed up by right-wing tossers who generally don't have to worry about mundane things like paying for food or heating.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?1 -
She's a hyper-capitalist with reactionary views and a is a donor to the Labour Party (which exists to entrench the interests of capital) so, yes, she is.Big_G_NorthWales said:
J K Rowling is right wing ?Benpointer said:
Spot on. All these 'trans', 'wokism', 'cancel culture' issues are puffed up by right-wing tossers who generally don't have to worry about mundane things like paying for food or heating.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?2 -
Don't know about DC3s but the Grumman Goose is pretty contemporary with that, and there are a couple of dozen of those still going.Toms said:
I think there may be some DC3s flying still. Perhaps by "bush" pilots in places like Alaska.Dura_Ace said:
Some of the aircraft that pre-date finite element analysis and other computerised wizardry are massively over-engineered (eg B-52, RC-135, KC-135). They did not know how to design aircraft to align the fatigue life with the expected operational life. Of course, they occasionally got it wrong in the other direction too...Beibheirli_C said:
I am amazed that the airframes have not exceeded their mandated life. Then again, the Americans are still flying B52s that are older than I amDura_Ace said:
The RAF already finds it absolutely necessary to operate six (and two Hurricanes).Beibheirli_C said:
He will be announcing an order for Spitfires for the RAF nextCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1531189521978728448
Prime Minister Boris Johnson now the least popular member of his own Cabinet among the Tory grassroots h/t @ConHome
Boris Johnson, winning again!1 -
It would be interesting to know how many Liverpool fans were in the St Denis area compared with the number of official Liverpool tickets.nova said:
I am sure that I read they did put in an outer perimeter to check tickets. Perhaps someone who was there would know? Still, plenty of reports from people who got tickets from official UEFA and club sources being told, like the poster on here, that they were fake, so there's obviously something up.Big_G_NorthWales said:I see a French Minister is blaming Liverpool fans for arriving without tickets
I would just say that even if some did, it was upto the organisation of the event to put in arrangements to check tickets further out from the perimeter of the ground and from what I have seen and read the French Minister should hang his head in shame as families and their children were tear gassed by his police
It looks like neither side are going to let this go, and I suspect it'll end up with plenty of criticism all round. Klopp was foolish to tell fans to go without tickets, and there are videos all over of fans in red shirts climbing walls and forcing there way through ticket barriers. There were lots of congratulatory posts around before the match about how many more Liverpool fans were about compared with Madrid fans. The reaction of the police was excessive, and clearly that continued in situations where they weren't under any pressure at all, with people being tear gassed through fences.
I know that sadly football fans of a club are often all tarred with the same brush, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that Liverpool fans who bought legit tickets, and travelled at often great expense to Paris, are not more angry with the idiots who bought fake tickets, or climbed over fences.0 -
Time to start planning for the Oak Jubilee. Work with google glass or similar to allow each person individually to see whatever damn flag makes them happy.NickPalmer said:
Well, exactly. In Godalming, there will be a street party and the council have decorated the High Street with all the flags of the Commonwealth, which I think is a nice idea. This has triggered a culture war on Facebook (literally hundreds of posts in 24 hours), with zealous monarchists demanding 100% Union Jacks, and zealous anti-imperialists denouncing Union Jacks. Supporters of the council in just celebrating the UK AND the Commonwealth as part of the Jubilee are murmuring wistfully that this should be an occasion for us all to get together, no?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I will be attending a couple of local street parties over the Jubilee weekend, including one on our street. I'm not sure that in the real world they are terribly divisive, where we live there are probably not many ardent royalists but attendees will have a range of views from those like me who support a constitutional monarchy to convinced republicans. We will all have a good time because we live in a nice friendly neighbourhood full of lovely people and the events are more about celebrating our community and having a good time than anything royalist or patriotic.RochdalePioneers said:
Good morning! On your latter points I feel there is a basic division which causes the problems. There are two groups:Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
Nick makes a good argument and I could see some defections by the conference season if the conservative party has not come to its senses and removed Boris
I would like to take this opportunity of saying that I am not a monarchist, notwithstanding my respect for the queen, and will not be attending any street parties or even watching much of the coverage
However, I do worry we are turning into a society that is joyless and where some want to denigrate those who are looking forward to the celebrations, which frankly is just acting as killjoys for something that shouldn't really bother anyone
We all need to be more tolerant and understanding to each other
Those who will celebrate / not celebrate for their own reasons
Those who will or won't celebrate for political reasons because it winds up the other lot
Frankly I find the spectacle of the monarchy to be amazing and preposterous in equal measure. The Ste Opening of Parliament was both the kind of pageant that we are experts at and an absurd spectacle in equal measure. And the Jubilee isn't much better.
The problem is that there are people who want to drape themselves in the Union flag to stick it up socialists / nationalists, and those repulsed by it all precisely because of the kind of people who are draped in the flag.
The solution is to steal back flags and symbols from the idiots. Blair got this right with the whole "Cool Britannia" thing (until we all got bored) and the Saltire up here is a national pride thing not a nat identity thing. So it can be done.0 -
Providing easier visas for graduates from the top 50 universities in the world however as this policy proposes will not bother Leave voters one bit.BartholomewRoberts said:Really pleased to see this liberalisation of the immigration rules being announced. An excellent idea: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61628740
The one thing that put me off Brexit as an idea is the anti-immigration ranting of Farage etc al and one thing that won me around to switching sides during the referendum campaign was Gove and Boris not being anti immigration and actually talking about how if we had controlled immigration it could be liberalised in areas.
Regardless of what one thinks of Brexit, I hope we can all agree liberalising so more of the best and brightest can come here is a good thing. 👍
Voters in Stoke and Hartlepool were voting to restrict low skilled and unskilled immigration to their areas, not graduates and phds from Harvard moving to work in central London0 -
The MoD briefing on Ukraine has been poor all the way through. It's embarrassing.Benpointer said:Is it me or is the daily MOD brief on Ukraine becoming lost in the realms of wishful thinking?
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1531143716840284161?s=20&t=FIwr0IRFqeu7iJ3RTVZDBQ
It starts with:
"Russia has likely suffered devastating losses amongst its mid and junior ranking officers..."
Whereas all the new outlets are indicating Russian progress, sadly, e.g. the BBC's "Heavy fighting as Russia advances into key eastern city".
They had Kharkiv assessed as encircled for ages when there were lots of journalists travelling in and out of the city on major highways.1 -
If you’re trying to attract floating voters, then social issues - or more precisely, the extreme versions of them espoused by a small number of loud activists - can influence voting choice.CorrectHorseBattery said:
And how many people care about wokeism? Really?wooliedyed said:
It feeds into a wider debate about 'wokeism' or more precisely, the extreme positions being taken by the more radical leftists. We have a baby version of the much bigger issue over all this raging in AmericaCorrectHorseBattery said:
Do you honestly believe trans issues are on the minds of peopleApplicant said:
You can safely ignore polls about important issues - they never do anything but reflect the top three issues of what's in the news right now.CorrectHorseBattery said:
But who is actually concluding that from this? I don't know anyone.Applicant said:
The point is not that people vote directly on the issue, but that it betrays a lack of common sense/nouse/ability to think logically and that casts a shadow over everything else that they say.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They defined a woman in the call - as I said the policy is now what people seem to want. Job done?Applicant said:
Ah, I see you're missing the point of the focus on the inability or unwillingness to define a woman.CorrectHorseBattery said:I am glad from a political view that Labour now seem to have a popular view on the whole trans debate but I am going to be totally honest when I say, it doesn't impact how I vote and I don't know anyone else who it does either.
I can't believe there is somebody that goes, that CoL crisis is terrible and I am struggling to eat but those trans policies are a bridge too far, Tory for me. Am I wrong?
I'm not saying it can't be important, I just don't know anyone genuinely who votes on this issue. I am happy to be corrected.
If it was at all important, it would show up in the polls that get asked about important issues. Or it would impact Labour's numbers.
In focus groups it doesn't come up from everything I have seen. They still call Starmer boring
My Dad is a lifelong Tory, even he doesn't care
There will be a number of Conservative 2019 voters who think the government is crap and won’t vote for them next time - but end up sitting on the sofa, rather than switching their vote to a party who appear obsessed with women’s penises, and think of anyone with slightly different views to be evil bigots.1 -
Good article, but is it really the case that defections "used to be common, but have been unfashionable at Parliamentary level in recent years"?
It's a little tricky to enumerate defections (you'd probably not count whip suspension, fit of pique over deselection, or matters like changes within Ulster Unionism or Scottish Nationalism - but it quickly becomes a bit blurred). However, aside from a big SDP spike in the 1979-83 Parliament (28 to the SDP) and smaller one in the shorter 2017-19 Parliament (11 to Change UK, some going on to the Lib Dems, plus three to the Lib Dems not via ChUK), it's been slow and steady. Only 1983-87 didn't see a "real" defection (John Ryman leaving Labour is hard to classify but certainly wasn't a classic defection) - it's been slow and steady, low single figures counting only "proper" defections.
That's probably a little more than pre-1979 - there were a fair number of whip resignations from the Tories over Suez and Labour over various internal rows, but not floor crossing in the sense we're talking about here.
I'd not be shocked to see a couple more over the remainder of the Parliament - they tend to accelerate a little towards the end as writing appears on walls in some cases, and retirees get demob happy in others.4 -
I can live with it. If I had a bit more time I'd call him up to argue the toss but I don't so I don't.AlistairM said:
The difference between them is that Nick Ferrari can give people a hard time whilst being polite. James O'Brien is incapable of being anything but rude to people he disagrees with.TOPPING said:
Nah he had a "pro" and "anti" trans person on and he gave the "anti" trans one a far harder time.Benpointer said:
Does Nick Ferrari post on here as @Leon? They both seem equally obsessed with penises.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682
Nick Ferrari asks Shadow Levelling Up Secretary @lisanandy if a woman can be born with a penis. @NickFerrariLBC
Another frontbencher explains the new Labour policy.
Can we stop asking this pointless question now?
Great answer from Nandy btw - it's the first time I have really watched her in an interview like that tbh. Rather impressive.
But he is also wily (and right wing) enough to know how to trip up politicos.
I like him. And James O'Brien. Both make me want to call them and virulently disagree with their political take on things.0 -
On topic, should be noted more Tory MPs defected to UKIP or ChangeUK in the last 10 years than have defected to either Labour or the LDs1
