The betting chart that says BoJo’s survived PartyGate – politicalbetting.com
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Lying to parliament next
1. Charlie Falconer to finish his speech - 150/1
2. Boris To Resign in 2022 - 5000/1
3. Elvis To Escape The B52 On The Moon - 7/2
4. "Leon" To Reincarnate As Sir Beer Karma - 1/5 Fav
5. Putin To Centrefold In Gay Times - 69/1
6. OGH To Defect To Conservatives - Non Runner.
I can understand Boris ambition to be Primeminister, though it should come before putting yourself before country and party, there should be more honour than that - but I can’t understand why anyone else would want him to be Primeminister, because he is so rubbish at the job. 🤷♀️
As Mike Smithson reminds, Johnson so lucky to have been up against Corbyn, but even so Boris would never have got near an eighty seat majority if the voters had seen him in the job for two years before an election. That’s true isn’t it?
I have found US taxes - in general - to be higher than the UK. My property tax is astronomical, and California + Los Angeles + Federal taxes are across the board higher for both income and capital gains.
On the other hand, there are some truly ridiculous tax breaks here. I am allowed to depreciate rental properties (and to count the depreciation as a real cost); this means that rental properties can be generating you an income... and at the same time lowering your actual tax bill. It's truly magic.
Despite big differences in values and priorities, I used to think the other side, however misguided, were at least sincere and trying in their own way to improve things. I used to argue with people to convince them to engage and give it all a chance. Occasionally time proved the other side right.
What a waste of time. Right now for No10, politics is a game played for laughs and personal gain. An ego trip in which, we the public, are just pawns and our livelihoods the betting chips.
The sooner Boris goes the better, but the damage is probably done.
- 24 Hour Party People
- It Wasn't Me
- (You're an) Embarrassment
It just feels like something is going to happen. change of Boris and the cabinet the only way the party can escape partygate and have a fresh approach at a sane and effective economic strategy. And they could ‘t really have know that till today.
The equation may change in time, although I still think it hard to imagine the US taxing more given the 45p top rate + NI in the UK.
Many tory MPs are I suspect absolutely terrified of having that conflict. And so they cling on.
I suppose if they ran out of gin they could try to drink it.
Grrr. Enough. Let Boris thrash you again, and again, and again. C’mon Big Dog
Let us remind us what he said, in summing up,some context here, presented with rubbish everywhere, win wine stains, vomit, people asleep in the office at dawn having triggered alarms and abused cleaning staff and security (soooo Thick Of It) all Boris answered with was, we failed to get the line right between work and non work. 😧
I feel like a (narrow) Tory defeat is pretty much baked in.
Keir may not be Blair, but nor is he Corbyn or even Miliband.
I’m much more interested in Labour policy now. I’m keen to see what the plan is (if any) to return the UK into the growth-oriented, public-spirited country I enjoyed for much of the 2000s.
(FWIW, I will be in NYC in just a few short hours! First time in a year.)
What is it now?
A leadership election may have to attempt to answer that question.
Filthy compared with London.
Welcome to Noooo Yaawwwk.
It’s a very pleasant day today.
Just watch tomorrow. They're going to stick £20 back on UC after screaming the place down about how keeping the uplift was profoundly wrong. They're going to scalp money from energy producers and use it to subsidise energy retailers. Which was described as "anti-Conservative". The more they send liars and idiots (from the Cabinet) onto the media to say its an awful idea, the more you know they will end up doing it.
I’m not a massive fan, but it would be detrimental to public life for him to go for something perfectly legal.
If he were to go in a year and hand over to Nandy I’d be quite happy
Come on down. You’re welcome. There’s plenty of room. I’m going to miss this view
I STRONGLY recommend Epirus. Northwest mainland Greece. It’s better than any of the Islands, it’s full of mountains and myth, the coast is nearly entirely unspoiled, and it’s mostly very cheap. Lush
We are (most likely) not heading for a Labour Government.
The former head of DPP in court would be a bit popcorn.
They are very nice, but one Greek island is the same as the other after a while.
In NZ, much of which is “landscape porn”, people literally go mad after endless longeurs with the same patch of majestic wilderness.
If he genuinely is caught breaking the law, he needs to go and good riddance.
But the Report itself is hugely damning. It's quite clear from the transcripts of emails and messages, and from Gray's commentary, that the misbehaviour/rule-breaking was widespread, that both the organisers and many of the participants knew that what they were doing was wrong, and that unless BJ was in solitary confinement he knew exactly what was going on, even when he didn't participate.
I don't expect him to go, but I'm not convinced this is quite over yet. MPs who take their time and have a leisurely read of the Report for themselves may wonder how on earth he can credibly carry on as PM when he exercises so little control over what goes on under his own roof.
Wouldn't be surprised to see another one soon.
There'll be an almighty ejaculation of cash.
And a claim that they're the tax cutting Party.
Or Graywash, as we should now call it.
Not her fault - her two bosses asked her to investigate them whilst she remained their employee.
I'd settle for someone who doesn't lie as a matter of course and has some sort of vision beyond "me and my minions being in power so yah boo sucks."
Even that feels ambitious right now.
Mark Spencer
@Mark_Spencer
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Met investigation over, Sue Gray report delivered, its now clearly time to move on and deal with the huge global challenges the country faces. I’m squarely behind the PM, he’s the right man for the job.
He has consistently made the big calls correctly
https://twitter.com/Mark_Spencer/status/1529454719042826240
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Translation: every policy decision and announcement we make in next month will be all about distracting you from the Partygate saga.
I suspect we might well reach the tally of letters once Parliament resumes on 6th June.
Anyway yes I am moving on in a day or two
That said some places do entice you to linger. And Sivota, Epirus, is one of them. It’s NOT an island. The mood here is different somehow, Epirus is, in general, a magical corner of the world….
I expect cash to be liberally sprayed in every direction.
So your rental property will lose value (rentability) until you "reset" it by rebuilding.
It looks as if the Financial Ombudsman is not going to support my daughter in her claim against her insurers in relation to the expensive insurance policy she took out against diseases like Covid.
Despite the House of Lords case, despite providing evidence that 2 people visited her pub with the disease before she was shut down. Apparently, because they did not have symptoms the policy does not bite. The fact that people with symptoms were being told not to go out is irrelevant.
Grr..... Honestly I am so furious and so sad for her. In this country if you work hard - and, Christ, she worked harder than anyone I've seen before - and do the right thing, you just get shafted. Your money is taken but you get fuck all back for it from those who claim to provide a service. People with Air BnB's locally were getting the same grants as her and then just lying back and using the money to buy more properties so that even with the money she's managed to save she still can't get onto the property ladder because prices have gone up.
I am angry. I am so angry that I'm in a get me some ropes and lampposts and hang the fuckers from them mood. Peter Hennessy talked recently about a bonfire of the decencies. Too fucking right. She's lost two years of her life having no social life, an appallingly stressful working life, and gets screwed over with few good prospects ahead because now we have inflation and a recession on the way. Same for my 2 sons.
I am sorry for all the swearing. But, fuck it, the people in charge who have made such a fucking awful mess of everything they touch deserve to rot in hell for what they have done and what they are doing, especially to our young.
My three are my offering to the future.
What future?
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@EvieBreese
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Imagine being the cleaner having to scrub red wine off the walls inside No10 while banned from visiting your own family at Christmas
When I look back at what the 2nd Voters tried to do to British democracy I lose it. I find it hard to stay calm. They should all be driven from public life, and probably put in jail. It sickens me. This is probably not good for me, but there it is.
Perhaps the poison will not be drained from British politics until all the major players in Brexit - Leave and Remain - have left the scene. That means Boris and Korma have to go. So be it. That’s fine with me
But the Remoaning 2nd voters have to quit AND BE PUNISHED, so that no one ever ever tries this again
Especially if the deeming process is that which the Met seem to have adopted: Send questionnaire - did you break the law? Yes = gotcha. No response: well he prolly didn't, but forgot to tell us about it, so let's leave it.
https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1529489291830824962
Graun analysis of Ms Gray's report:
"As with so many things about the saga, this sense of almost irrelevance in Johnson’s role will be interpreted in markedly different ways by opposing sides of the argument.
But even for allies, the sheer extent of detail in the report makes this notably more difficult to defend. [sordid details ...]
This ultimately leaves two choices for those in Johnson’s camp. One is that he misled the country when he said he had no knowledge about parties. The other implies Johnson is so detached, dissociated and peripheral that the office he supposedly leads became the most Covid-rule-breaking address in England while he remained oblivious.
Neither is the ideal place in which a national leader should find themselves."
I can barely watch Johnson on TV now.
Worst PM in god knows how many decades.
Reeves can then squirm about 600 quid and buttons.
I expect it to be damp and squibby
That said, if I had to say one I'd say Kinnock. He's making the party more electable and challenging its recent past (despite being a part of the recent past) but I just don't see him getting to Downing Street himself. Instead he's clearing the path for someone else.
Maybe to Australia, or Canada, or Switzerland or maybe even to the States.
The UK is not a good place to be young and hardworking anymore.
And it would be against the rules for someone to be outed [edit] by the CS itself (ie Ms G) as having committed an offence before the formal disciplinary action and any appeal within the CS disciplinary process were carried out or ruled out, one way or another.
The commander of Operation Sovereign Borders, Rear Admiral Justin Jones, said a thorough screening of each individual's health and protection status was completed before the group was taken back.
"The direction to me, by the Acting Prime Minister, was clear — this government remains committed to Operation Sovereign Borders and to the protection of lives at sea," he said in a statement."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/election-blog-may-24/101093332
"This brings me to the question of names. This has not been easy. It is well established convention that the names of senior civil servants are not routinely withheld in Government disclosures. I have broadly followed this convention here, but given the unique circumstances of this investigation I have decided that naming should be only for the most high-ranking individuals who knew about and/or attended an event, as well as those senior civil servants or special advisers who were significant to the organisation of such gatherings, given their wider responsibility for the leadership and culture of the Departments, subject to some limited exceptions based on personal circumstances. I have determined that the public interest in reporting adequately on the events withing [sic] the scope of my investigation in accordance with my terms of reference justifies naming senior individuals involved to this limited extent."
They don't have any shame. Generally speaking, politicians don't. If they did, they couldn't function. Most Labour MPs tolerated Corbyn because they lacked the strength to seize the party back off him, and they knew that leaving on moral grounds equalled political career death, as the fates of Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna et al. so ably demonstrated. The only way to be rid of him was through his decisive electoral defeat.
I reckon that the Tories will look at Johnson, his ability to survive scandal and his skill (real or imagined) in connecting with the party's new voter coalition, and decide to keep him. The minority who've publicly called for him to go will all, or nearly all, stay put anyway, because they refuse to be forced out of their party by his behaviour, or they fear going the way of the Change UK lot, or both. A couple more in Con-Lab marginals might follow Wakeford across the floor, albeit the fact that they've not done it before now suggests that this is unlikely. That's about it.
Fundamentally, the Conservative polling position isn't too bad for a mid-term Government, and all the voters who were going to dump the party over, well, the parties have already done so. The Tories will likely spend the rest of this Parliament trying not to upset their aged core vote too much, hosing them down with cash as and when required, and have a good chance of winning the next election. The Conservative backbenches won't rock the boat by chucking the Prime Minister overboard under these circumstances. He's safe.
The past few months have shown why we need to get ourselves off the hook of using imported oil and gas etc and instead able to use our own domestic renewables, whether that be wind, tidal, nuclear or others.
As it stands gas is only providing 26% of our electricity, up from 16% earlier today. Renewables are providing a majority and they are far, far cheaper than the gas is.
The sooner we can be using zero gas, the cheaper our bills will be, the more secure our energy supply will be. Forget the environment, that is just plain a good idea, even without the environmental agenda.
I am hearing from other sources some letters going in from Blue and Red wall MPs.
Others, however, very skeptical they'll get the numbers to trigger vote of no confidence.
https://twitter.com/JulianSturdy/status/1529496348445265920
https://www.thenational.scot/news/20165550.douglas-ross-calls-boris-johnson-resign-ukraine-war/?ref=ebbn
"The Moray MP, who said in January that Johnson should resign before U-turning because of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, accepts that Johnson should step down … but not until the war in Ukraine is over."
Of course it does occur to them, but they are not allowed to say so.
Awfully sorry my incompetence led to that raw sewage explosion, would it help if I offered to take the lead on nuclear waste transportation project?
Canada is dull, Switzerland is horribly expensive and dull, Australia is the only place maybe. But there you are a trillion miles from anywhere and at the mercy of climate change
It’s honestly hard to be optimistic about anywhere on earth, at the moment. Which is awful
I was just reading this climate change fear porn about Pakistan. 51C in May
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/25/it-seems-this-heat-will-take-our-lives-pakistan-city-fearful-jacobabad-after-hitting-51c
* what was the figure, 20x average wages for an average home, and much higher in Vancouver, where you want to be.
Even if an election is lost on that platform, how much better to have at least tried.
You have to be a pretty big shit to rise to the level of 'poor treatment' of such staff. Lack of respect, sure, that might be easier to be unintentional, but it isn't hard to not be a dick to them, so I regard it as a rather important point about the people working there and how they operate.
I'd be willing to bet many of them have uttered the dread phrase 'Do you know who I am/who I work for' in their lives before.
Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby said “we need to rediscover” good standards in public life, following the publication of Sue Gray’s report on partygate.
The archbishop said: “Sue Gray’s report shows that culture, behaviour and standards in public life really matter.
“We need to be able to trust our national institutions, particularly in times of great trouble.
“Jesus commands us to serve the most vulnerable and those in need. To help achieve this, we must recover the principles of mutual flourishing and the common good in the way we are governed.
“Standards in public life are the glue that holds us together – we need to rediscover them and abide by them.”
It wont be in 2024
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"