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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    HYUFD said:

    As I already said Labor ruled out a monarchy referendum in its first term if it won
    Cool, I'd missed that
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,292

    A new dawn has broken...
    It was still pretty close, hardly a 1997 style landslide for Labor
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    In part it is why I added question mark on end, as in tight elections every movement matters.

    In the overall picture Aukus is not just kit as you say, it’s beefing up confronting China, the suggestion of a Cold War with China. On previous thread there’s a post showing swing to Opposition from Chinese Australians.

    My reasoning may be wrong, but that’s my hypothesis thrown out there, in my usual Rabbit Droppings way

    Look forward to more rabbit droppings from me later, but I’m starting pre match drinking now
    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    If some of those named in the Sue Gray report object to her criticisms can she still say lump it that’s what the report is or does the whole process end up being delayed further .

    Surely you can’t have a scenario where those criticized can influence the final report and get the criticisms muted, if that’s the case then what’s the point of the whole thing .
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    GaryL said:

    Russian ruble is the strongest major currency this year Russian economy ain't great but they will pivot their exports to China and India Also it will take a while for Germany to wean itself off Russian gas This is a waiting game with Putin's strategy to inflict economic pain on the West thinking we will buckle first
    Okay, you’ve been more subtle than the other Russian trolls we have had here in the past few months, so well done on that.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613
    nico679 said:

    If some of those named in the Sue Gray report object to her criticisms can she still say lump it that’s what the report is or does the whole process end up being delayed further .

    Surely you can’t have a scenario where those criticized can influence the final report and get the criticisms muted, if that’s the case then what’s the point of the whole thing .

    On the contrary, that rather is the point. Have someone subordinate to you write the report in the first place ...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    IshmaelZ said:

    Why should asset prices crash at a time of runaway inflation?
    You keep saying this, as major stock markets are 30% down in a few weeks.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    Sandpit said:

    You keep saying this, as major stock markets are 30% down in a few weeks.
    Flight to “quality”.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119
    Leon said:

    Fair enough, Russia has to get super-lucky to reach that place, however. I’d say the chances are less than 5%

    Putin was surely gambling on winning a terrifically swift victory, slaying Zelensky, marching into Kyiv in about 48 hours before we’d even really noticed

    A fait accompli. In that case, we might have shrugged and adjusted and sighed and beefed up our defences, but no more than that. Ie no sanctions. And that would have given him everything he wanted

    Now Putin needs an extraordinary amount of luck
    I mostly agree, but I wouldn't describe it as luck. It's a question of whether Western leaders are up to the task of providing sufficient support to Ukraine, and Ukraine's leadership is sufficiently competent to use that support to defeat Ukraine.

    We're doing quite well at the moment, but the summer could be quite difficult.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,448
    GaryL said:

    Yep that's what I've heard too,,,I think footballers and the like go there now
    Harry Maguire notably:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9331723/Harry-Maguire-given-huge-boost-Mykonos-appeal-hearing-Covid-19-pandemic.html
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    edited May 2022
    Leon said:

    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



    Oh contrary. That’s the complete opposite from what I said.

    I said if the Morrison coalition had a degree of Chinese Australians in it before Aukus, they may have swung out of it post aukus, you clearly didn’t even read my post to get all this claim of Australia swinging away from Aukus claptrap.

    You heard merely what you wanted to hear, even though it wasn’t even being said. (Except maybe by someone in another post other than mine)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,448
    Sandpit said:

    You keep saying this, as major stock markets are 30% down in a few weeks.
    A tad exagerated.

    The Nasdaq is down about 20% over the last months, FTSE 100 stable, FTSE250 down a bit but not 30% etc.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sandpit said:

    You keep saying this, as major stock markets are 30% down in a few weeks.
    Naah that's not a crash mate, this is a crash.

    There's gonna be blips but negative interest rates is negative interest rates
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,074
    nico679 said:

    If some of those named in the Sue Gray report object to her criticisms can she still say lump it that’s what the report is or does the whole process end up being delayed further .

    Surely you can’t have a scenario where those criticized can influence the final report and get the criticisms muted, if that’s the case then what’s the point of the whole thing .

    As far as I understand it, Gray is partly notifying people, not asking for their permission. But this does raise an opportunity for someone to object. I don’t think people can just say, “Don’t name me,” but presumably if you get back to her with a reasoned argument, based on legal principles or your employment contract or something, then she’s in a position to respond to that.

    Also, the naming doesn’t seem to be a shaming exercise. It’s more that she’s naming people as part of her description of what happened, so, e.g., on this date a leaving party for X was held. Therefore X gets warned that X is being named.

    But that’s just my best understanding so far and we seem to be largely going on leaks and rumours at the moment.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,563
    Andy_JS said:

    Swings to the Liberals in Tasmania.

    Devils!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    On topic, the retired Major you say?

    All I can think about is Fawlty Towers now.

    With Johnson as "Basil"?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    Oh contrary. That’s the complete opposite from what I said.

    I said if the Morrison coalition had a degree of Chinese Australians in it before Aukus, they may have swung out of it post aukus, you clearly didn’t even read my post to get all this claim of Australia swinging away from Aukus claptrap.

    You heard merely what you wanted to hear, even though it wasn’t even being said. (Except maybe by someone in another post other than mine)
    Yes, apologies. I was trying to reply to someone else

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Devils!
    Diemens!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,292
    Leon said:

    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



    Should be noted though Albanese was in a left faction of the Labor Party linked to the Communist Party of Australia in his youth.

    He may not pull out of AUUKUS but he will certainly be more pro Beijing than Morrison

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    HYUFD said:

    Should be noted though Albanese was in a left faction of the Labor Party linked to the Communist Party of Australia in his youth.

    He may not pull out of AUUKUS but he will certainly be more pro Beijing than Morrison

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese
    What bollocks.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914
    IshmaelZ said:

    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    I sense a thread header coming on asking whether Keir can do an Albanese.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 771
    Carnyx said:

    On the contrary, that rather is the point. Have someone subordinate to you write the report in the first place ...
    It's a standard phase in official reports called Maxwellisation. It gives those criticised the opportunity to respond before publication. It can be a massive hinderance to things like FCA investigations. The Treasury Committee did an interesting report on it a few years ago.
  • Leon said:

    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    You genuinely are twelve years old.
    Tell us that story about you being in prison again.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,348
    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    You’ve asked the wrong and the right question

    A victory for Russia is not possible at this stage. Their leadership has made a gross error that has resulted in a huge strategic defeat for the country.

    A victory is still possible for Putin. In my view complete control of Donetsk and Luhansk would could as victory for the “special military operation” (…our people are safe…)

    I think the defence of Mariupol has made it too iconic for Zelensky to give it up… but Putin can point to the destruction of the Azov Brigade as an important step.

    I would put this scenario at a 30% chance, but this is why the UK is working so hard to push the western alliance onwards. They see that Russia is on the ground and want to damage them as much as possible. Opportunities like this are infrequent & the UK is not Russia’s friend. Germany and France are more interested in being Russia’s friend as they can make more money that way.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    You genuinely are twelve years old.
    Tell us that story about you being in prison again.

    Why?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    I sense a thread header coming on asking whether Keir can do an Albanese.

    Blow a massive lead in last month of campaign so MoonRabbit shits her knickers?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786
    Foxy said:

    Harry Maguire notably:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9331723/Harry-Maguire-given-huge-boost-Mykonos-appeal-hearing-Covid-19-pandemic.html
    He hasn't been the same player since this incident and I assume he still has it on his mind
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Leon said:

    Yes, apologies. I was trying to reply to someone else

    In which case I fully support what you said. Outgoing coalition and incoming Labor (not sure about greens or all teal independents) are behind Aukus. And standing up to China, where possible, is way to go in my opinion. And I don’t just get that from my mum, it’s just bloody sense 👍🏻
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,768

    With Johnson as "Basil"?
    I keep thinking "bit of a cockup on the catering front"

    Or Ed Davey's Fairly Secret Army.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,292
    edited May 2022

    What bollocks.
    It is not bollocks. Albanese is a high tax, high spend, union backed leftwinger and on foreign policy far more pro Beijing, hence the China Global Times backed him for Australian PM.

    He will be the most leftwing Australian PM since Gough Whitlam. He may not be Corbyn and may not rip up AUUKUS but he will still shift Australia left
    https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/chinas-global-times-backs-anthony-albanese-as-prime-minister-as-questions-mount-over-labors-ties-with-beijing/news-story/2c0f4226a802df781026bcd967ca9f25
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Does he hate Germans but love women?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786
    HYUFD said:

    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,563
    Leon said:

    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    I remember another poster sharing a similar story some years back.

    I wonder if it was the same girl?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,292
    edited May 2022

    I sense a thread header coming on asking whether Keir can do an Albanese.

    Labor's primary vote is just 32%, it is the preferences that will see it scrape home.

    Currently it is ahead in 75 seats, one short of a majority too

    https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Results/
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Still an active market on whether ALP will make a majority.

    I think it matters - the ALP are yet to embrace anything like the Green (or teal) manifesto in terms of the threat of climate change.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,860
    HYUFD said:

    Labor's primary vote is just 32%, it is the preferences that will see it scrape home.
    Hmmmm...still works, TBF.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914
    Feel slightly sorry for Scott Morrison. Australia has suffered one brief recession in 30 years (during Covid) yet it avoided all of the worst of Covid. Oz has secured a new military alliance shoring up her defences. The country consistently tops tables for quality-of-life, healthcare is good, the universities are often excellent, crime is pretty low, the country is safe, the oysters are fine, China is held at bay….

    And for that he gets kicked out of office?

    I get the sense Aussies have gone for the other guy out of sheer boredom
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914

    I remember another poster sharing a similar story some years back.

    I wonder if it was the same girl?
    Quite possibly, given the girl in question
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    You’ve asked the wrong and the right question

    A victory for Russia is not possible at this stage. Their leadership has made a gross error that has resulted in a huge strategic defeat for the country.

    A victory is still possible for Putin. In my view complete control of Donetsk and Luhansk would could as victory for the “special military operation” (…our people are safe…)

    I think the defence of Mariupol has made it too iconic for Zelensky to give it up… but Putin can point to the destruction of the Azov Brigade as an important step.

    I would put this scenario at a 30% chance, but this is why the UK is working so hard to push the western alliance onwards. They see that Russia is on the ground and want to damage them as much as possible. Opportunities like this are infrequent & the UK is not Russia’s friend. Germany and France are more interested in being Russia’s friend as they can make more money that way.
    Putin cannot take the whole of Lunansk and Donetsk at this point. They have already gotten bogged down and need to capture Kramatorsk from the north to achieve it. But they have failed to take a large city repeatedly, and this time their supply lines are insecure against the Ukrainian breakout from Kharkiv.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,060

    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,644
    Albanese's victory speech proving that winners can be REALLY boring.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,922
    Leon said:

    Why?
    Leon said:

    Why?
    Tell the jealous radge to do one
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,196

    Does he hate Germans but love women?

    He took his GF to see India... at the Oval!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,922
    Just finished watching "Anatomy of a Scandal" and unbelievable how accurately they portrayed Tories. Unfortunately in real life few of the barstewards get their comeuppance.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Pity the Darwin Awards have given up of late (hardly surprisingly given the antivaxxers for one thing).
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    I remember another poster sharing a similar story some years back.

    I wonder if it was the same girl?
    Clearly not picky in her boyfriends if so.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,348
    edited May 2022
    Aslan said:

    Putin cannot take the whole of Lunansk and Donetsk at this point. They have already gotten bogged down and need to capture Kramatorsk from the north to achieve it. But they have failed to take a large city repeatedly, and this time their supply lines are insecure against the Ukrainian breakout from Kharkiv.
    I wouldn’t say “can not” but I do have it down as a 30% chance - I tend to the conservative in my strategic risk assessments however. Better to prepare for the realistic worst case outcome.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,686

    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Sounds distinctly lukewarm support which could be swept away with some kind of 'tax bombshell' nonsense campaign.

    I'm not counting any chickens.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047

    He took his GF to see India... at the Oval!
    Goodness, that scene really wouldn't pass muster these days - at any level!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047

    Albanese's victory speech proving that winners can be REALLY boring.

    Him and Keir will get on like a house on fire.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    I wouldn’t say “can not” but I do have it down as a 30% chance - I tend to the conservative in my strategic risk assessments however. Better to prepare for the realistic worst case outcome.
    The only way Russia can semi-win this is if the entire West buckles. Unfortunately for Putin the British refuse to do this, because they are seeking payback for Skripal and Litvinenko. It was truly stupid of Putin to offend an economy twice the size with attacks on British citizens on British soil.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    ⚽️ amazing atmosphere as we lead!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    Ardern will get booted too in 23
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Leon said:

    Feel slightly sorry for Scott Morrison. Australia has suffered one brief recession in 30 years (during Covid) yet it avoided all of the worst of Covid. Oz has secured a new military alliance shoring up her defences. The country consistently tops tables for quality-of-life, healthcare is good, the universities are often excellent, crime is pretty low, the country is safe, the oysters are fine, China is held at bay….

    And for that he gets kicked out of office?

    I get the sense Aussies have gone for the other guy out of sheer boredom

    I hold no candle for Scott Morrison but all I can remember about Australian Labor is the chip they have on their shoulder.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,292

    Ardern will get booted too in 23

    Not certain, latest poll has National only 2% ahead and Ardern still preferred PM

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_New_Zealand_general_election
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047

    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    The Conservatives may be so detested by 2024/2025 that voters roll the dice on Labour anyway, even though they doubt they've learnt any lessons or can do any better.

    Really, the only way out for the Conservatives is to deliver an economic recovery - and that probably means getting rid of both Boris and Sunak.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,768

    Sounds distinctly lukewarm support which could be swept away with some kind of 'tax bombshell' nonsense campaign.

    I'm not counting any chickens.
    I think the difference between 1992 and now is that noone believes a word Johnson, or the Tories in general, say. That makes any kind of campaign (positive or negative) very difficult. In many ways the Tories' best approach to 2024 might be to run an almost silent operation, and hope that Labour descends into infighting and chaos and takes its own legs out from under itself.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    mwadams said:

    I think the difference between 1992 and now is that noone believes a word Johnson, or the Tories in general, say. That makes any kind of campaign (positive or negative) very difficult. In many ways the Tories' best approach to 2024 might be to run an almost silent operation, and hope that Labour descends into infighting and chaos and takes its own legs out from under itself.
    We already know that will essentially be the strategy. Boris is too gaffe-prone to be allowed out during an actual campaign.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,768

    We already know that will essentially be the strategy. Boris is too gaffe-prone to be allowed out during an actual campaign.
    Even now a giant steel refrigerator is being built in Downing Street.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,860
    mwadams said:

    Even now a giant steel refrigerator is being built in Downing Street.
    Only now? Where did they keep all the booze?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    edited May 2022
    Sometimes it feels like 24 might be 92 redux, but then I try to imagine Johnson doing an “Honest Boris” soapbox tour.

    But you know who could?
    Keir Starmer.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    Sometimes it feels like 24 might be 92 redux, but then I try to imagine Johnson doing an “Honest Boris” soapbox tour.

    But you know who could?
    Keir Starmer.

    Hmm. Soapbox. Labour. Election. *bell rings somewhere in the angular gyrus* *thinks* *light goes on*

    Mr Murphy, branch manager for Slab, and his claim he wouldn't lose a single seat to the SNP, 2015. Delphic or what?

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-jim-murphy-fan-club/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,393
    Leon said:


    For great value red go for Greece, the Balkans, Moldova, and Portugal, or high altitude Argentine Malbecs (this is in terms of what you can get in the UK)

    For whites try southern Portugal, Greece, obscure bits of France. Oz and NZ are pricing themselves out of the market, Kiwi Sauv Blanc is now insanely pricey
    Morrisons house £4.35 Cabernet is Moldovan. Not objectively good, but surprisingly characterful, and a bargain for the price.

    A recent trip to Portugal convinced me we should see more portuguese whites. Douro red is a supermarket staple now, but the only white they tend to have is Vinho Verde, when there is so much more to Portuguese whites.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,644
    Was Lynton Crosby involved in the Australian election?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,163
    @spignal
    Outgoing French foreign minister openly delighted at Scott Morrison's electoral defeat. Le Drian took AUKUS personally, having been defence minister when France and Australia signed the submarines deal.


    https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1528017118616244224
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,686
    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,208

    Goodness, that scene really wouldn't pass muster these days - at any level!
    It's the opening scenes that still astonish.

    *Flowery Twats* before the watershed.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,768
    ydoethur said:

    Only now? Where did they keep all the booze?
    Correction: Even now a giant steel refrigerator is being *emptied* in Downing Street.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,914
    carnforth said:

    Morrisons house £4.35 Cabernet is Moldovan. Not objectively good, but surprisingly characterful, and a bargain for the price.

    A recent trip to Portugal convinced me we should see more portuguese whites. Douro red is a supermarket staple now, but the only white they tend to have is Vinho Verde, when there is so much more to Portuguese whites.
    Yes, the Portuguese make some excellent whites, even - especially? - in the south

    They go spectacularly well with seafood, as you’d expect

    Slovenian whites are often nice, as well, and also notably good value

    Almost anywhere on earth that can theoretically - climate, soil, investment. - make decent wine, is now doing so. I’ve had highly drinkable wines from Bolivia, Ethiopia, China
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,165

    @spignal
    Outgoing French foreign minister openly delighted at Scott Morrison's electoral defeat. Le Drian took AUKUS personally, having been defence minister when France and Australia signed the submarines deal.


    https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1528017118616244224

    ScoMo also binned off MRH-90 for Seahawk Romeo and Tiger for Apache Guardian so he didn't have many fans in the Quai d'Orsay.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,768

    Sometimes it feels like 24 might be 92 redux, but then I try to imagine Johnson doing an “Honest Boris” soapbox tour.

    But you know who could?
    Keir Starmer.

    An alternative thought, though. I may think Johnson is a ghastly stain on the body politic that no amount of scrubbing and bleach can remove. But if Johnson is supposed to be a magical electoral asset by the faithful, will they really hide him away?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,212

    What a surprise that PB’s newest gadfly has pivoted to Russian boosterism.

    This will surprise nobody but I think it's quite handy. The powers that be don't think we're grown up enough to be trusted to read RT, so Gary here can at least tell us what the Russian lines to take are. Nobody is being forced to believe him.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,768
    Leon said:

    Yes, the Portuguese make some excellent whites, even - especially? - in the south

    They go spectacularly well with seafood, as you’d expect

    Slovenian whites are often nice, as well, and also notably good value

    Almost anywhere on earth that can theoretically - climate, soil, investment. - make decent wine, is now doing so. I’ve had highly drinkable wines from Bolivia, Ethiopia, China
    Morocco, Lebanon...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,644

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Winning 1.0 but it feels far from comfortable. 🫣
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,348
    Aslan said:

    The only way Russia can semi-win this is if the entire West buckles. Unfortunately for Putin the British refuse to do this, because they are seeking payback for Skripal and Litvinenko. It was truly stupid of Putin to offend an economy twice the size with attacks on British citizens on British soil.
    I’m not convinced that any of the last few PMs would have been able to resist pressure for “a deal”
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
    It seems just crazy
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,953

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,060
    mwadams said:

    An alternative thought, though. I may think Johnson is a ghastly stain on the body politic that no amount of scrubbing and bleach can remove. But if Johnson is supposed to be a magical electoral asset by the faithful, will they really hide him away?
    Think back to 2019. Johnson ducked quite a lot. Johnson's image, as a cardboard cutout or a photo in a meme, was attractive. But the real thing... a different matter.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,163
    Aslan said:

    The only way Russia can semi-win this is if the entire West buckles. Unfortunately for Putin the British refuse to do this, because they are seeking payback for Skripal and Litvinenko. It was truly stupid of Putin to offend an economy twice the size with attacks on British citizens on British soil.
    Cameron was pretty weak on Crimea. In his memoirs he even brags about giving Putin the idea of legitimating the annexation with a referendum.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    I am not saying that anywhere else has it better, but the UK economy seems quite uniquely fucked.

    Not least because the government has no interest in actual economic policy.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,755

    Think back to 2019. Johnson ducked quite a lot. Johnson's image, as a cardboard cutout or a photo in a meme, was attractive. But the real thing... a different matter.
    He has never consented to a proper interview for a reason.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786
    kyf_100 said:

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

    Just mentioned this to my beloved and as practical as ever she said

    'I will just have to plant some more' !!!
  • Trump out. ScoMo out.

    Johnson out next, this is a Labour decade.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,212

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
    That is astonishing. And also this on gas storage:

    'Centrica (British Gas) shut the storage facility in 2017 after the government refused to subsidise its maintenance. The facility is actually a former gas field in the North Sea. I am sure if govt wanted to it could be reopened with engineering on the closed shore site. https://t.co/UHbdipyEE5'

    So at the moment we can't make use of the current glut for the winter.

    This is criminally irresponsible behaviour by a so called Tory Government. Why hasn't it been reversed along with a package of other measures to ease the impact of the cost of living crisis?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110

    Just mentioned this to my beloved and as practical as ever she said

    'I will just have to plant some more' !!!
    Big G, cultivating votre jardin comme d’habitude.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,212
    kyf_100 said:

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

    Dependence on nitrogen fertiliser has been a disaster for nutrition. Nitrogen provides bulk. Its not the only mineral a crop needs to be healthy, and to make nourishing food. Rock dust is plentiful, and a far better fertiliser than nitrogen. So I see this as unintentional good news.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786

    Big G, cultivating votre jardin comme d’habitude.
    You mentioned earlier you thought Ardern will fall next year

    As a Kiwi you obviously must have a feel for this and are Kiwi's falling out of love with her?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,644



    I’m not convinced that any of the last few PMs would have been able to resist pressure for “a deal”

    Ultimately we need to be careful to leave it to Zelensky to decide - we can be as militant as we like from our armchairs, but they're doing the actual fighting and dying. He's varied from setting his sights on total eviction of the Russians to saying that a diplomatic solution will be needed in the end. The Russians have also varied from implying they want to conquer the whole country to suggesting that it's really just about protecting their Donbas satellites. Unless someone wins outright, there will be a stalemate on the ground at some point, after which both sides may be up for a deal, and we shouldn't second-guess it, though insofar as it also involves lifting sanctions (e.g. to pay for reparations?) we may be asked by Ukraine to play a part. We should neither urge nor block a settlement.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,196

    Winning 1.0 but it feels far from comfortable. 🫣

    York City?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    edited May 2022

    That is astonishing. And also this on gas storage:

    'Centrica (British Gas) shut the storage facility in 2017 after the government refused to subsidise its maintenance. The facility is actually a former gas field in the North Sea. I am sure if govt wanted to it could be reopened with engineering on the closed shore site. https://t.co/UHbdipyEE5'

    So at the moment we can't make use of the current glut for the winter.

    This is criminally irresponsible behaviour by a so called Tory Government. Why hasn't it been reversed along with a package of other measures to ease the impact of the cost of living crisis?

    That is astonishing. And also this on gas storage:

    'Centrica (British Gas) shut the storage facility in 2017 after the government refused to subsidise its maintenance. The facility is actually a former gas field in the North Sea. I am sure if govt wanted to it could be reopened with engineering on the closed shore site. https://t.co/UHbdipyEE5'

    So at the moment we can't make use of the current glut for the winter.

    This is criminally irresponsible behaviour by a so called Tory Government. Why hasn't it been reversed along with a package of other measures to ease the impact of the cost of living crisis?
    To steal, and extend, an observation I saw elsewhere, it’s because the government’s policy strategy (level up!) is totally disconnected from its economic strategy (lower taxes!) which is totally estranged from its politico-fiscal strategy (raise taxes now and cut them on the eve of the next election!) which is totally divorced from the current reality (stagflation).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    That is astonishing. And also this on gas storage:

    'Centrica (British Gas) shut the storage facility in 2017 after the government refused to subsidise its maintenance. The facility is actually a former gas field in the North Sea. I am sure if govt wanted to it could be reopened with engineering on the closed shore site. https://t.co/UHbdipyEE5'

    So at the moment we can't make use of the current glut for the winter.

    This is criminally irresponsible behaviour by a so called Tory Government. Why hasn't it been reversed along with a package of other measures to ease the impact of the cost of living crisis?
    Interference with the free market, private market will sort it, innit.

    (And yes I entirely agree. It should have been got going asap this spring already, even if not ready for some time.)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,212

    I am not saying that anywhere else has it better, but the UK economy seems quite uniquely fucked.

    Not least because the government has no interest in actual economic policy.

    Actually, I think we're uniquely positioned to thrive in the current world circumstances. We have (with some caveats), plenty of food, plenty of varied fuel, we have the geographical advantages of being a set of islands, etc. The opportunities just need to be grasped. I'm open to being persuaded otherwise, but this Government is over. Boris can claw back a little respect from me if he deals with the hard situation in NI for his successor. But perhaps even that might take someone new.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110

    You mentioned earlier you thought Ardern will fall next year

    As a Kiwi you obviously must have a feel for this and are Kiwi's falling out of love with her?
    Short answer, yes.

    She’s a very poor administrator and essentially a performative idiot.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786

    Short answer, yes.

    She’s a very poor administrator and essentially a performative idiot.
    Thanks
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    York City?
    Yes and it’s getting feesty and nervy and his name is a shop I get now 🤦‍♀️
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