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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Good to see Labor winning again.

    THEY HAVE WON!

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

    I can’t wait to get it on my pad and wave in front my mums face when I get home.

    This can be one of the best days EVER
    Labor to narrowly lose a republic referendum within the next 4 years?!
    Is republic such a big Labor thing? I associate that with Turnbull.
    Albanese is a republican. I don't know if he had proposed a referendum but Gillard for example was keen 'when there was a change of monarch' and given HMQ age and health...... maybe they will propose it?
    As I already said Labor ruled out a monarchy referendum in its first term if it won
    Cool, I'd missed that
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    Scott Morrison phoned Albanese to concede defeat and making concession speech now

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-21/federal-election-live-blog-scott-morrison-anthony-albanese/101085640

    A new dawn has broken...
    It was still pretty close, hardly a 1997 style landslide for Labor
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sky Australia calls Labor majority. ABC not yet.
    Bye bye ScoMo.

    So he didn't get a Djokovic boost as foretold on here.
    Nor a pro-coal boost in mining area’s this time, which could have a lasting significance.

    Also Aukus may have cost ScotMo crucial votes in this election?
    Why? It isn't really anything beyond a vague commitment to buy an unspecified number of as yet unknown SSNs about 10 years hence. Who the fuck is going to change their vote over that?
    In part it is why I added question mark on end, as in tight elections every movement matters.

    In the overall picture Aukus is not just kit as you say, it’s beefing up confronting China, the suggestion of a Cold War with China. On previous thread there’s a post showing swing to Opposition from Chinese Australians.

    My reasoning may be wrong, but that’s my hypothesis thrown out there, in my usual Rabbit Droppings way

    Look forward to more rabbit droppings from me later, but I’m starting pre match drinking now
    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    If some of those named in the Sue Gray report object to her criticisms can she still say lump it that’s what the report is or does the whole process end up being delayed further .

    Surely you can’t have a scenario where those criticized can influence the final report and get the criticisms muted, if that’s the case then what’s the point of the whole thing .
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    Russian ruble is the strongest major currency this year Russian economy ain't great but they will pivot their exports to China and India Also it will take a while for Germany to wean itself off Russian gas This is a waiting game with Putin's strategy to inflict economic pain on the West thinking we will buckle first
    Okay, you’ve been more subtle than the other Russian trolls we have had here in the past few months, so well done on that.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,836
    nico679 said:

    If some of those named in the Sue Gray report object to her criticisms can she still say lump it that’s what the report is or does the whole process end up being delayed further .

    Surely you can’t have a scenario where those criticized can influence the final report and get the criticisms muted, if that’s the case then what’s the point of the whole thing .

    On the contrary, that rather is the point. Have someone subordinate to you write the report in the first place ...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    IshmaelZ said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    Russian ruble is the strongest major currency this year Russian economy ain't great but they will pivot their exports to China and India Also it will take a while for Germany to wean itself off Russian gas This is a waiting game with Putin's strategy to inflict economic pain on the West thinking we will buckle first
    Putin fatally miscalculated the resolve of the West
    Already people are worried about inflation and energy bills this will only get worse as we head into the winter then you combine that with crashing asset prices The West's resolve hasn't really been tested yet and Already most people are losing interest in this war
    Why should asset prices crash at a time of runaway inflation?
    You keep saying this, as major stock markets are 30% down in a few weeks.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Sandpit said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    Russian ruble is the strongest major currency this year Russian economy ain't great but they will pivot their exports to China and India Also it will take a while for Germany to wean itself off Russian gas This is a waiting game with Putin's strategy to inflict economic pain on the West thinking we will buckle first
    Putin fatally miscalculated the resolve of the West
    Already people are worried about inflation and energy bills this will only get worse as we head into the winter then you combine that with crashing asset prices The West's resolve hasn't really been tested yet and Already most people are losing interest in this war
    Why should asset prices crash at a time of runaway inflation?
    You keep saying this, as major stock markets are 30% down in a few weeks.
    Flight to “quality”.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,359
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    The route to victory for Russia is through Western disunity. Suppose the war enters a stalemate with roughly the present front lines. The war drags on as Europe and the US enter recession with inflation over 10%.

    Ukrainian casualties, military and civilian are high, and the shattered economy is entirely reliant on financial support from the West - whose governments are under pressure to find money to help their struggling economies.

    Ukraine thus is under strong external and some internal pressure to agree to a truce. A truce happens. Ukraine is split politically between those who are relieved that the dying has paused and those outraged that more territory has been lost to Russia. Since the whole country is under arms this outrage expresses itself violently. There are reprisals. Western weapons are used by Ukrainians against Ukrainians, discrediting support for Ukraine.

    The urgency for Europe to wean itself off Russian fossil fuels abates. Russia has a breathing space to organise sales to new markets in China, India and Africa, and to use that income to rebuild its armed forces.

    When they are ready to resume the attack on Ukraine again, internal divisions have weakened Ukraine, and its leadership is less resolute. Russia is able to complete the conquest of the Black Sea coast and force a permanent treaty on a shattered Ukraine that sees it ceding territory.

    I don't say it's likely, but it's not impossible that our resolve breaks before the Russians do. The only way to avoid this outcome is to provide maximum support for Ukraine so that they can achieve victory on the battlefield as quickly as possible.
    Fair enough, Russia has to get super-lucky to reach that place, however. I’d say the chances are less than 5%

    Putin was surely gambling on winning a terrifically swift victory, slaying Zelensky, marching into Kyiv in about 48 hours before we’d even really noticed

    A fait accompli. In that case, we might have shrugged and adjusted and sighed and beefed up our defences, but no more than that. Ie no sanctions. And that would have given him everything he wanted

    Now Putin needs an extraordinary amount of luck
    I mostly agree, but I wouldn't describe it as luck. It's a question of whether Western leaders are up to the task of providing sufficient support to Ukraine, and Ukraine's leadership is sufficiently competent to use that support to defeat Ukraine.

    We're doing quite well at the moment, but the summer could be quite difficult.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Yep that's what I've heard too,,,I think footballers and the like go there now
    Harry Maguire notably:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9331723/Harry-Maguire-given-huge-boost-Mykonos-appeal-hearing-Covid-19-pandemic.html
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    edited May 2022
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sky Australia calls Labor majority. ABC not yet.
    Bye bye ScoMo.

    So he didn't get a Djokovic boost as foretold on here.
    Nor a pro-coal boost in mining area’s this time, which could have a lasting significance.

    Also Aukus may have cost ScotMo crucial votes in this election?
    Why? It isn't really anything beyond a vague commitment to buy an unspecified number of as yet unknown SSNs about 10 years hence. Who the fuck is going to change their vote over that?
    In part it is why I added question mark on end, as in tight elections every movement matters.

    In the overall picture Aukus is not just kit as you say, it’s beefing up confronting China, the suggestion of a Cold War with China. On previous thread there’s a post showing swing to Opposition from Chinese Australians.

    My reasoning may be wrong, but that’s my hypothesis thrown out there, in my usual Rabbit Droppings way

    Look forward to more rabbit droppings from me later, but I’m starting pre match drinking now
    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



    Oh contrary. That’s the complete opposite from what I said.

    I said if the Morrison coalition had a degree of Chinese Australians in it before Aukus, they may have swung out of it post aukus, you clearly didn’t even read my post to get all this claim of Australia swinging away from Aukus claptrap.

    You heard merely what you wanted to hear, even though it wasn’t even being said. (Except maybe by someone in another post other than mine)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Sandpit said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    Russian ruble is the strongest major currency this year Russian economy ain't great but they will pivot their exports to China and India Also it will take a while for Germany to wean itself off Russian gas This is a waiting game with Putin's strategy to inflict economic pain on the West thinking we will buckle first
    Putin fatally miscalculated the resolve of the West
    Already people are worried about inflation and energy bills this will only get worse as we head into the winter then you combine that with crashing asset prices The West's resolve hasn't really been tested yet and Already most people are losing interest in this war
    Why should asset prices crash at a time of runaway inflation?
    You keep saying this, as major stock markets are 30% down in a few weeks.
    A tad exagerated.

    The Nasdaq is down about 20% over the last months, FTSE 100 stable, FTSE250 down a bit but not 30% etc.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sandpit said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    Russian ruble is the strongest major currency this year Russian economy ain't great but they will pivot their exports to China and India Also it will take a while for Germany to wean itself off Russian gas This is a waiting game with Putin's strategy to inflict economic pain on the West thinking we will buckle first
    Putin fatally miscalculated the resolve of the West
    Already people are worried about inflation and energy bills this will only get worse as we head into the winter then you combine that with crashing asset prices The West's resolve hasn't really been tested yet and Already most people are losing interest in this war
    Why should asset prices crash at a time of runaway inflation?
    You keep saying this, as major stock markets are 30% down in a few weeks.
    Naah that's not a crash mate, this is a crash.

    There's gonna be blips but negative interest rates is negative interest rates
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,055
    nico679 said:

    If some of those named in the Sue Gray report object to her criticisms can she still say lump it that’s what the report is or does the whole process end up being delayed further .

    Surely you can’t have a scenario where those criticized can influence the final report and get the criticisms muted, if that’s the case then what’s the point of the whole thing .

    As far as I understand it, Gray is partly notifying people, not asking for their permission. But this does raise an opportunity for someone to object. I don’t think people can just say, “Don’t name me,” but presumably if you get back to her with a reasoned argument, based on legal principles or your employment contract or something, then she’s in a position to respond to that.

    Also, the naming doesn’t seem to be a shaming exercise. It’s more that she’s naming people as part of her description of what happened, so, e.g., on this date a leaving party for X was held. Therefore X gets warned that X is being named.

    But that’s just my best understanding so far and we seem to be largely going on leaks and rumours at the moment.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Andy_JS said:

    Swings to the Liberals in Tasmania.

    Devils!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    On topic, the retired Major you say?

    All I can think about is Fawlty Towers now.

    With Johnson as "Basil"?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sky Australia calls Labor majority. ABC not yet.
    Bye bye ScoMo.

    So he didn't get a Djokovic boost as foretold on here.
    Nor a pro-coal boost in mining area’s this time, which could have a lasting significance.

    Also Aukus may have cost ScotMo crucial votes in this election?
    Why? It isn't really anything beyond a vague commitment to buy an unspecified number of as yet unknown SSNs about 10 years hence. Who the fuck is going to change their vote over that?
    In part it is why I added question mark on end, as in tight elections every movement matters.

    In the overall picture Aukus is not just kit as you say, it’s beefing up confronting China, the suggestion of a Cold War with China. On previous thread there’s a post showing swing to Opposition from Chinese Australians.

    My reasoning may be wrong, but that’s my hypothesis thrown out there, in my usual Rabbit Droppings way

    Look forward to more rabbit droppings from me later, but I’m starting pre match drinking now
    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



    Oh contrary. That’s the complete opposite from what I said.

    I said if the Morrison coalition had a degree of Chinese Australians in it before Aukus, they may have swung out of it post aukus, you clearly didn’t even read my post to get all this claim of Australia swinging away from Aukus claptrap.

    You heard merely what you wanted to hear, even though it wasn’t even being said. (Except maybe by someone in another post other than mine)
    Yes, apologies. I was trying to reply to someone else

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Andy_JS said:

    Swings to the Liberals in Tasmania.

    Devils!
    Diemens!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sky Australia calls Labor majority. ABC not yet.
    Bye bye ScoMo.

    So he didn't get a Djokovic boost as foretold on here.
    Nor a pro-coal boost in mining area’s this time, which could have a lasting significance.

    Also Aukus may have cost ScotMo crucial votes in this election?
    Why? It isn't really anything beyond a vague commitment to buy an unspecified number of as yet unknown SSNs about 10 years hence. Who the fuck is going to change their vote over that?
    In part it is why I added question mark on end, as in tight elections every movement matters.

    In the overall picture Aukus is not just kit as you say, it’s beefing up confronting China, the suggestion of a Cold War with China. On previous thread there’s a post showing swing to Opposition from Chinese Australians.

    My reasoning may be wrong, but that’s my hypothesis thrown out there, in my usual Rabbit Droppings way

    Look forward to more rabbit droppings from me later, but I’m starting pre match drinking now
    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



    Should be noted though Albanese was in a left faction of the Labor Party linked to the Communist Party of Australia in his youth.

    He may not pull out of AUUKUS but he will certainly be more pro Beijing than Morrison

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sky Australia calls Labor majority. ABC not yet.
    Bye bye ScoMo.

    So he didn't get a Djokovic boost as foretold on here.
    Nor a pro-coal boost in mining area’s this time, which could have a lasting significance.

    Also Aukus may have cost ScotMo crucial votes in this election?
    Why? It isn't really anything beyond a vague commitment to buy an unspecified number of as yet unknown SSNs about 10 years hence. Who the fuck is going to change their vote over that?
    In part it is why I added question mark on end, as in tight elections every movement matters.

    In the overall picture Aukus is not just kit as you say, it’s beefing up confronting China, the suggestion of a Cold War with China. On previous thread there’s a post showing swing to Opposition from Chinese Australians.

    My reasoning may be wrong, but that’s my hypothesis thrown out there, in my usual Rabbit Droppings way

    Look forward to more rabbit droppings from me later, but I’m starting pre match drinking now
    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



    Should be noted though Albanese was in a left faction of the Labor Party linked to the Communist Party of Australia in his youth.

    He may not pull out of AUUKUS but he will certainly be more pro Beijing than Morrison

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese
    What bollocks.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    I sense a thread header coming on asking whether Keir can do an Albanese.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 696
    Carnyx said:

    nico679 said:

    If some of those named in the Sue Gray report object to her criticisms can she still say lump it that’s what the report is or does the whole process end up being delayed further .

    Surely you can’t have a scenario where those criticized can influence the final report and get the criticisms muted, if that’s the case then what’s the point of the whole thing .

    On the contrary, that rather is the point. Have someone subordinate to you write the report in the first place ...
    It's a standard phase in official reports called Maxwellisation. It gives those criticised the opportunity to respond before publication. It can be a massive hinderance to things like FCA investigations. The Treasury Committee did an interesting report on it a few years ago.
  • Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    You genuinely are twelve years old.
    Tell us that story about you being in prison again.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,249
    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    You’ve asked the wrong and the right question

    A victory for Russia is not possible at this stage. Their leadership has made a gross error that has resulted in a huge strategic defeat for the country.

    A victory is still possible for Putin. In my view complete control of Donetsk and Luhansk would could as victory for the “special military operation” (…our people are safe…)

    I think the defence of Mariupol has made it too iconic for Zelensky to give it up… but Putin can point to the destruction of the Azov Brigade as an important step.

    I would put this scenario at a 30% chance, but this is why the UK is working so hard to push the western alliance onwards. They see that Russia is on the ground and want to damage them as much as possible. Opportunities like this are infrequent & the UK is not Russia’s friend. Germany and France are more interested in being Russia’s friend as they can make more money that way.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    You genuinely are twelve years old.
    Tell us that story about you being in prison again.

    Why?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504

    I sense a thread header coming on asking whether Keir can do an Albanese.

    Blow a massive lead in last month of campaign so MoonRabbit shits her knickers?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    Foxy said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Yep that's what I've heard too,,,I think footballers and the like go there now
    Harry Maguire notably:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9331723/Harry-Maguire-given-huge-boost-Mykonos-appeal-hearing-Covid-19-pandemic.html
    He hasn't been the same player since this incident and I assume he still has it on his mind
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sky Australia calls Labor majority. ABC not yet.
    Bye bye ScoMo.

    So he didn't get a Djokovic boost as foretold on here.
    Nor a pro-coal boost in mining area’s this time, which could have a lasting significance.

    Also Aukus may have cost ScotMo crucial votes in this election?
    Why? It isn't really anything beyond a vague commitment to buy an unspecified number of as yet unknown SSNs about 10 years hence. Who the fuck is going to change their vote over that?
    In part it is why I added question mark on end, as in tight elections every movement matters.

    In the overall picture Aukus is not just kit as you say, it’s beefing up confronting China, the suggestion of a Cold War with China. On previous thread there’s a post showing swing to Opposition from Chinese Australians.

    My reasoning may be wrong, but that’s my hypothesis thrown out there, in my usual Rabbit Droppings way

    Look forward to more rabbit droppings from me later, but I’m starting pre match drinking now
    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



    Oh contrary. That’s the complete opposite from what I said.

    I said if the Morrison coalition had a degree of Chinese Australians in it before Aukus, they may have swung out of it post aukus, you clearly didn’t even read my post to get all this claim of Australia swinging away from Aukus claptrap.

    You heard merely what you wanted to hear, even though it wasn’t even being said. (Except maybe by someone in another post other than mine)
    Yes, apologies. I was trying to reply to someone else

    In which case I fully support what you said. Outgoing coalition and incoming Labor (not sure about greens or all teal independents) are behind Aukus. And standing up to China, where possible, is way to go in my opinion. And I don’t just get that from my mum, it’s just bloody sense 👍🏻
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593

    On topic, the retired Major you say?

    All I can think about is Fawlty Towers now.

    With Johnson as "Basil"?
    I keep thinking "bit of a cockup on the catering front"

    Or Ed Davey's Fairly Secret Army.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited May 2022

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sky Australia calls Labor majority. ABC not yet.
    Bye bye ScoMo.

    So he didn't get a Djokovic boost as foretold on here.
    Nor a pro-coal boost in mining area’s this time, which could have a lasting significance.

    Also Aukus may have cost ScotMo crucial votes in this election?
    Why? It isn't really anything beyond a vague commitment to buy an unspecified number of as yet unknown SSNs about 10 years hence. Who the fuck is going to change their vote over that?
    In part it is why I added question mark on end, as in tight elections every movement matters.

    In the overall picture Aukus is not just kit as you say, it’s beefing up confronting China, the suggestion of a Cold War with China. On previous thread there’s a post showing swing to Opposition from Chinese Australians.

    My reasoning may be wrong, but that’s my hypothesis thrown out there, in my usual Rabbit Droppings way

    Look forward to more rabbit droppings from me later, but I’m starting pre match drinking now
    With Putin marching around the world and China eyeing up Taiwan (and the Solomon Islands, and much of the Pacific), there is no way Australia is going to endanger its alliance with the USA, by repudiating AUKUS

    The jolly friendship with China is over



    Should be noted though Albanese was in a left faction of the Labor Party linked to the Communist Party of Australia in his youth.

    He may not pull out of AUUKUS but he will certainly be more pro Beijing than Morrison

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese
    What bollocks.
    It is not bollocks. Albanese is a high tax, high spend, union backed leftwinger and on foreign policy far more pro Beijing, hence the China Global Times backed him for Australian PM.

    He will be the most leftwing Australian PM since Gough Whitlam. He may not be Corbyn and may not rip up AUUKUS but he will still shift Australia left
    https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/chinas-global-times-backs-anthony-albanese-as-prime-minister-as-questions-mount-over-labors-ties-with-beijing/news-story/2c0f4226a802df781026bcd967ca9f25
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,435
    Does he hate Germans but love women?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    I remember another poster sharing a similar story some years back.

    I wonder if it was the same girl?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited May 2022

    I sense a thread header coming on asking whether Keir can do an Albanese.

    Labor's primary vote is just 32%, it is the preferences that will see it scrape home.

    Currently it is ahead in 75 seats, one short of a majority too

    https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Results/
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Still an active market on whether ALP will make a majority.

    I think it matters - the ALP are yet to embrace anything like the Green (or teal) manifesto in terms of the threat of climate change.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    HYUFD said:

    I sense a thread header coming on asking whether Keir can do an Albanese.

    Labor's primary vote is just 32%, it is the preferences that will see it scrape home.
    Hmmmm...still works, TBF.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Feel slightly sorry for Scott Morrison. Australia has suffered one brief recession in 30 years (during Covid) yet it avoided all of the worst of Covid. Oz has secured a new military alliance shoring up her defences. The country consistently tops tables for quality-of-life, healthcare is good, the universities are often excellent, crime is pretty low, the country is safe, the oysters are fine, China is held at bay….

    And for that he gets kicked out of office?

    I get the sense Aussies have gone for the other guy out of sheer boredom
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    I remember another poster sharing a similar story some years back.

    I wonder if it was the same girl?
    Quite possibly, given the girl in question
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    You’ve asked the wrong and the right question

    A victory for Russia is not possible at this stage. Their leadership has made a gross error that has resulted in a huge strategic defeat for the country.

    A victory is still possible for Putin. In my view complete control of Donetsk and Luhansk would could as victory for the “special military operation” (…our people are safe…)

    I think the defence of Mariupol has made it too iconic for Zelensky to give it up… but Putin can point to the destruction of the Azov Brigade as an important step.

    I would put this scenario at a 30% chance, but this is why the UK is working so hard to push the western alliance onwards. They see that Russia is on the ground and want to damage them as much as possible. Opportunities like this are infrequent & the UK is not Russia’s friend. Germany and France are more interested in being Russia’s friend as they can make more money that way.
    Putin cannot take the whole of Lunansk and Donetsk at this point. They have already gotten bogged down and need to capture Kramatorsk from the north to achieve it. But they have failed to take a large city repeatedly, and this time their supply lines are insecure against the Ukrainian breakout from Kharkiv.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,524
    Albanese's victory speech proving that winners can be REALLY boring.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,320
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    You genuinely are twelve years old.
    Tell us that story about you being in prison again.

    Why?
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    You genuinely are twelve years old.
    Tell us that story about you being in prison again.

    Why?
    Tell the jealous radge to do one
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    Does he hate Germans but love women?

    He took his GF to see India... at the Oval!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,320
    Just finished watching "Anatomy of a Scandal" and unbelievable how accurately they portrayed Tories. Unfortunately in real life few of the barstewards get their comeuppance.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,836

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Pity the Darwin Awards have given up of late (hardly surprisingly given the antivaxxers for one thing).
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    What do you think of mykonos is it worth visiting
    It certainly is, or at least it was.

    I say this because apparently it has been overwhelmed by wealthy status-conscious tourists, as happened to St Tropez or Capri or the Costa Smeralda in earlier times, so now it is - I am told - horribly expensive and crowded (as are those places)

    So my advice is avoid, sadly.
    Jumping off point for Delos tho which is as magical as Delphi
    Delos is indeed marvellous

    Mykonos USED to be marvellous. Such a sexy place.

    I can remember when - age 22 - my then super cute girlfriend (age 19) decided, on Mykonos, to go not only topless but completely nude. Every day

    It blew my fuses. The sight of her emerging naked from the sea, like Venus in the waves. OMFG. And she was ridiculously hot

    SIGH
    I remember another poster sharing a similar story some years back.

    I wonder if it was the same girl?
    Clearly not picky in her boyfriends if so.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,249
    edited May 2022
    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    You’ve asked the wrong and the right question

    A victory for Russia is not possible at this stage. Their leadership has made a gross error that has resulted in a huge strategic defeat for the country.

    A victory is still possible for Putin. In my view complete control of Donetsk and Luhansk would could as victory for the “special military operation” (…our people are safe…)

    I think the defence of Mariupol has made it too iconic for Zelensky to give it up… but Putin can point to the destruction of the Azov Brigade as an important step.

    I would put this scenario at a 30% chance, but this is why the UK is working so hard to push the western alliance onwards. They see that Russia is on the ground and want to damage them as much as possible. Opportunities like this are infrequent & the UK is not Russia’s friend. Germany and France are more interested in being Russia’s friend as they can make more money that way.
    Putin cannot take the whole of Lunansk and Donetsk at this point. They have already gotten bogged down and need to capture Kramatorsk from the north to achieve it. But they have failed to take a large city repeatedly, and this time their supply lines are insecure against the Ukrainian breakout from Kharkiv.
    I wouldn’t say “can not” but I do have it down as a 30% chance - I tend to the conservative in my strategic risk assessments however. Better to prepare for the realistic worst case outcome.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Sounds distinctly lukewarm support which could be swept away with some kind of 'tax bombshell' nonsense campaign.

    I'm not counting any chickens.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,435

    Does he hate Germans but love women?

    He took his GF to see India... at the Oval!
    Goodness, that scene really wouldn't pass muster these days - at any level!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,435

    Albanese's victory speech proving that winners can be REALLY boring.

    Him and Keir will get on like a house on fire.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    You’ve asked the wrong and the right question

    A victory for Russia is not possible at this stage. Their leadership has made a gross error that has resulted in a huge strategic defeat for the country.

    A victory is still possible for Putin. In my view complete control of Donetsk and Luhansk would could as victory for the “special military operation” (…our people are safe…)

    I think the defence of Mariupol has made it too iconic for Zelensky to give it up… but Putin can point to the destruction of the Azov Brigade as an important step.

    I would put this scenario at a 30% chance, but this is why the UK is working so hard to push the western alliance onwards. They see that Russia is on the ground and want to damage them as much as possible. Opportunities like this are infrequent & the UK is not Russia’s friend. Germany and France are more interested in being Russia’s friend as they can make more money that way.
    Putin cannot take the whole of Lunansk and Donetsk at this point. They have already gotten bogged down and need to capture Kramatorsk from the north to achieve it. But they have failed to take a large city repeatedly, and this time their supply lines are insecure against the Ukrainian breakout from Kharkiv.
    I wouldn’t say “can not” but I do have it down as a 30% chance - I tend to the conservative in my strategic risk assessments however. Better to prepare for the realistic worst case outcome.
    The only way Russia can semi-win this is if the entire West buckles. Unfortunately for Putin the British refuse to do this, because they are seeking payback for Skripal and Litvinenko. It was truly stupid of Putin to offend an economy twice the size with attacks on British citizens on British soil.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    ⚽️ amazing atmosphere as we lead!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Ardern will get booted too in 23
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,435
    Leon said:

    Feel slightly sorry for Scott Morrison. Australia has suffered one brief recession in 30 years (during Covid) yet it avoided all of the worst of Covid. Oz has secured a new military alliance shoring up her defences. The country consistently tops tables for quality-of-life, healthcare is good, the universities are often excellent, crime is pretty low, the country is safe, the oysters are fine, China is held at bay….

    And for that he gets kicked out of office?

    I get the sense Aussies have gone for the other guy out of sheer boredom

    I hold no candle for Scott Morrison but all I can remember about Australian Labor is the chip they have on their shoulder.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    Ardern will get booted too in 23

    Not certain, latest poll has National only 2% ahead and Ardern still preferred PM

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_New_Zealand_general_election
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,435

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    The Conservatives may be so detested by 2024/2025 that voters roll the dice on Labour anyway, even though they doubt they've learnt any lessons or can do any better.

    Really, the only way out for the Conservatives is to deliver an economic recovery - and that probably means getting rid of both Boris and Sunak.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Sounds distinctly lukewarm support which could be swept away with some kind of 'tax bombshell' nonsense campaign.

    I'm not counting any chickens.
    I think the difference between 1992 and now is that noone believes a word Johnson, or the Tories in general, say. That makes any kind of campaign (positive or negative) very difficult. In many ways the Tories' best approach to 2024 might be to run an almost silent operation, and hope that Labour descends into infighting and chaos and takes its own legs out from under itself.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    mwadams said:

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Sounds distinctly lukewarm support which could be swept away with some kind of 'tax bombshell' nonsense campaign.

    I'm not counting any chickens.
    I think the difference between 1992 and now is that noone believes a word Johnson, or the Tories in general, say. That makes any kind of campaign (positive or negative) very difficult. In many ways the Tories' best approach to 2024 might be to run an almost silent operation, and hope that Labour descends into infighting and chaos and takes its own legs out from under itself.
    We already know that will essentially be the strategy. Boris is too gaffe-prone to be allowed out during an actual campaign.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593

    mwadams said:

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Sounds distinctly lukewarm support which could be swept away with some kind of 'tax bombshell' nonsense campaign.

    I'm not counting any chickens.
    I think the difference between 1992 and now is that noone believes a word Johnson, or the Tories in general, say. That makes any kind of campaign (positive or negative) very difficult. In many ways the Tories' best approach to 2024 might be to run an almost silent operation, and hope that Labour descends into infighting and chaos and takes its own legs out from under itself.
    We already know that will essentially be the strategy. Boris is too gaffe-prone to be allowed out during an actual campaign.
    Even now a giant steel refrigerator is being built in Downing Street.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Sounds distinctly lukewarm support which could be swept away with some kind of 'tax bombshell' nonsense campaign.

    I'm not counting any chickens.
    I think the difference between 1992 and now is that noone believes a word Johnson, or the Tories in general, say. That makes any kind of campaign (positive or negative) very difficult. In many ways the Tories' best approach to 2024 might be to run an almost silent operation, and hope that Labour descends into infighting and chaos and takes its own legs out from under itself.
    We already know that will essentially be the strategy. Boris is too gaffe-prone to be allowed out during an actual campaign.
    Even now a giant steel refrigerator is being built in Downing Street.
    Only now? Where did they keep all the booze?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited May 2022
    Sometimes it feels like 24 might be 92 redux, but then I try to imagine Johnson doing an “Honest Boris” soapbox tour.

    But you know who could?
    Keir Starmer.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,836

    Sometimes it feels like 24 might be 92 redux, but then I try to imagine Johnson doing an “Honest Boris” soapbox tour.

    But you know who could?
    Keir Starmer.

    Hmm. Soapbox. Labour. Election. *bell rings somewhere in the angular gyrus* *thinks* *light goes on*

    Mr Murphy, branch manager for Slab, and his claim he wouldn't lose a single seat to the SNP, 2015. Delphic or what?

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-jim-murphy-fan-club/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    Is that because it tastes like an elegant super Tuscan three times the price or because you cannot tell the difference between a £13 bottle and a £40 bottle ?

    And I'm not sure why anyone should want a super refined wine tasting palate if the result is you need to spend £50 to get the enjoyment someone else gets for spending £5 on a bottle.

    For great value red go for Greece, the Balkans, Moldova, and Portugal, or high altitude Argentine Malbecs (this is in terms of what you can get in the UK)

    For whites try southern Portugal, Greece, obscure bits of France. Oz and NZ are pricing themselves out of the market, Kiwi Sauv Blanc is now insanely pricey
    Morrisons house £4.35 Cabernet is Moldovan. Not objectively good, but surprisingly characterful, and a bargain for the price.

    A recent trip to Portugal convinced me we should see more portuguese whites. Douro red is a supermarket staple now, but the only white they tend to have is Vinho Verde, when there is so much more to Portuguese whites.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Was Lynton Crosby involved in the Australian election?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,628
    @spignal
    Outgoing French foreign minister openly delighted at Scott Morrison's electoral defeat. Le Drian took AUKUS personally, having been defence minister when France and Australia signed the submarines deal.


    https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1528017118616244224
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    Does he hate Germans but love women?

    He took his GF to see India... at the Oval!
    Goodness, that scene really wouldn't pass muster these days - at any level!
    It's the opening scenes that still astonish.

    *Flowery Twats* before the watershed.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593
    ydoethur said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    HYUFD said:

    There is pretty much zero chance of a hold at the GE, like N Shropshire and Chesham won't be held either. Even if the LDs hold on to all the protest voters (they won't), the bulk of the non voting by election lot are disenchanted Tories who then turn out at the next GE. The LDs are on about 11% nationally, not 20% plus

    I would say C&A is "hold-able". It has more in common with the other "Blue Wall" seats in the home counties that the LDs are targeting.
    I am sure that is right assuming the Tories have a voter-friendly leader by then. But if Johnson is still there then anything can happen. The big message from the locals was that Johnson is a massive negative
    Do you really think a new Tory leader would make the slightest difference? As Australia confirms today the trend across the western world at the moment is to the centre left, liberal left, Boris is now the only conservative leader left in the G7, Anglosphere or any major western European nation for example. It is Boris who has defied the global tide and led the Tories to victory in 2019 after all.

    We may well be entering into a centre left decade like the 1990s which followed the largely conservative decade of the 1980s, I doubt any Tory leader could defy that. After 10 years in power it is very difficult for any party to win again
    We have our disagreements but you are spot on with this, and I think 24 will see the conservatives out of office, probably with a labour-lib dem coalition, and it could be that changing Boris will not change what seems the inevitable

    I would say I would be content with that outcome, especially as 14 years conservative or conservative led governments is a very long time

    Time for change will be very popular
    This (and the focus group mentioned therein) sum it up, really:

    This is what I hear from apolitical people all the time, and indeed I flagged this from my elephant-like radar ears some weeks ago. People say about Keir: 'maybe he's just about all right', ' I don't mind him too much really'. High praise these days.

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1528000996345094144

    One other thought- whilst I'm sure that replacing BoJo with Jeremy Douglas-Home would minimise the scale of the losses for the Conservatives, it might come at a very high price. The cult of St Margaret the Martyr sent the Conservative Party dolally from 1990 to at least 2005, possibly all the way to 2020. A Johnson pushed out unwillingly by the party could cast an even worse shadow over his successor. Defeat at the hands of the general public might look cruel (and keeping Johnson in No 10 is not in the national interest), but it is nature's way.
    Sounds distinctly lukewarm support which could be swept away with some kind of 'tax bombshell' nonsense campaign.

    I'm not counting any chickens.
    I think the difference between 1992 and now is that noone believes a word Johnson, or the Tories in general, say. That makes any kind of campaign (positive or negative) very difficult. In many ways the Tories' best approach to 2024 might be to run an almost silent operation, and hope that Labour descends into infighting and chaos and takes its own legs out from under itself.
    We already know that will essentially be the strategy. Boris is too gaffe-prone to be allowed out during an actual campaign.
    Even now a giant steel refrigerator is being built in Downing Street.
    Only now? Where did they keep all the booze?
    Correction: Even now a giant steel refrigerator is being *emptied* in Downing Street.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    Is that because it tastes like an elegant super Tuscan three times the price or because you cannot tell the difference between a £13 bottle and a £40 bottle ?

    And I'm not sure why anyone should want a super refined wine tasting palate if the result is you need to spend £50 to get the enjoyment someone else gets for spending £5 on a bottle.

    For great value red go for Greece, the Balkans, Moldova, and Portugal, or high altitude Argentine Malbecs (this is in terms of what you can get in the UK)

    For whites try southern Portugal, Greece, obscure bits of France. Oz and NZ are pricing themselves out of the market, Kiwi Sauv Blanc is now insanely pricey
    Morrisons house £4.35 Cabernet is Moldovan. Not objectively good, but surprisingly characterful, and a bargain for the price.

    A recent trip to Portugal convinced me we should see more portuguese whites. Douro red is a supermarket staple now, but the only white they tend to have is Vinho Verde, when there is so much more to Portuguese whites.
    Yes, the Portuguese make some excellent whites, even - especially? - in the south

    They go spectacularly well with seafood, as you’d expect

    Slovenian whites are often nice, as well, and also notably good value

    Almost anywhere on earth that can theoretically - climate, soil, investment. - make decent wine, is now doing so. I’ve had highly drinkable wines from Bolivia, Ethiopia, China
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    @spignal
    Outgoing French foreign minister openly delighted at Scott Morrison's electoral defeat. Le Drian took AUKUS personally, having been defence minister when France and Australia signed the submarines deal.


    https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1528017118616244224

    ScoMo also binned off MRH-90 for Seahawk Romeo and Tiger for Apache Guardian so he didn't have many fans in the Quai d'Orsay.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593

    Sometimes it feels like 24 might be 92 redux, but then I try to imagine Johnson doing an “Honest Boris” soapbox tour.

    But you know who could?
    Keir Starmer.

    An alternative thought, though. I may think Johnson is a ghastly stain on the body politic that no amount of scrubbing and bleach can remove. But if Johnson is supposed to be a magical electoral asset by the faithful, will they really hide him away?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432

    What a surprise that PB’s newest gadfly has pivoted to Russian boosterism.

    This will surprise nobody but I think it's quite handy. The powers that be don't think we're grown up enough to be trusted to read RT, so Gary here can at least tell us what the Russian lines to take are. Nobody is being forced to believe him.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    GaryL said:

    Leon said:

    Have I mentioned that Sivota is lovely?

    Because: it is

    Also late May is just heaven in northern Greece, or so it turns out

    Clear blue skies every day, 28C in the sun, but a slight cooling breeze. The sea glitters in its sleep. Sublime

    I love the med at this time of the year mate perfect weather
    It really is lovable

    i actually don’t mind serious heat - I prefer it to serious cold - but this is flawless

    The only problem is the mosquitoes. Quite infernal at night when you want to sit on the balcony sipping Nemea red*, but it’s minor in the grander scheme

    *Speaking of which I drank my best Greek red ever, last night:

    https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/tselepos+driopi+rsrv+nemea+peloponnese+greece/1/uk

    The Agiorgitiko grape. Never heard of it before. Bloody delicious

    Costs £13 in a Greek wine shop but tastes like an elegant superTuscan three times the price
    Is that because it tastes like an elegant super Tuscan three times the price or because you cannot tell the difference between a £13 bottle and a £40 bottle ?

    And I'm not sure why anyone should want a super refined wine tasting palate if the result is you need to spend £50 to get the enjoyment someone else gets for spending £5 on a bottle.

    For great value red go for Greece, the Balkans, Moldova, and Portugal, or high altitude Argentine Malbecs (this is in terms of what you can get in the UK)

    For whites try southern Portugal, Greece, obscure bits of France. Oz and NZ are pricing themselves out of the market, Kiwi Sauv Blanc is now insanely pricey
    Morrisons house £4.35 Cabernet is Moldovan. Not objectively good, but surprisingly characterful, and a bargain for the price.

    A recent trip to Portugal convinced me we should see more portuguese whites. Douro red is a supermarket staple now, but the only white they tend to have is Vinho Verde, when there is so much more to Portuguese whites.
    Yes, the Portuguese make some excellent whites, even - especially? - in the south

    They go spectacularly well with seafood, as you’d expect

    Slovenian whites are often nice, as well, and also notably good value

    Almost anywhere on earth that can theoretically - climate, soil, investment. - make decent wine, is now doing so. I’ve had highly drinkable wines from Bolivia, Ethiopia, China
    Morocco, Lebanon...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    Winning 1.0 but it feels far from comfortable. 🫣
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,249
    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    FPT


    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    You’ve asked the wrong and the right question

    A victory for Russia is not possible at this stage. Their leadership has made a gross error that has resulted in a huge strategic defeat for the country.

    A victory is still possible for Putin. In my view complete control of Donetsk and Luhansk would could as victory for the “special military operation” (…our people are safe…)

    I think the defence of Mariupol has made it too iconic for Zelensky to give it up… but Putin can point to the destruction of the Azov Brigade as an important step.

    I would put this scenario at a 30% chance, but this is why the UK is working so hard to push the western alliance onwards. They see that Russia is on the ground and want to damage them as much as possible. Opportunities like this are infrequent & the UK is not Russia’s friend. Germany and France are more interested in being Russia’s friend as they can make more money that way.
    Putin cannot take the whole of Lunansk and Donetsk at this point. They have already gotten bogged down and need to capture Kramatorsk from the north to achieve it. But they have failed to take a large city repeatedly, and this time their supply lines are insecure against the Ukrainian breakout from Kharkiv.
    I wouldn’t say “can not” but I do have it down as a 30% chance - I tend to the conservative in my strategic risk assessments however. Better to prepare for the realistic worst case outcome.
    The only way Russia can semi-win this is if the entire West buckles. Unfortunately for Putin the British refuse to do this, because they are seeking payback for Skripal and Litvinenko. It was truly stupid of Putin to offend an economy twice the size with attacks on British citizens on British soil.
    I’m not convinced that any of the last few PMs would have been able to resist pressure for “a deal”
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
    It seems just crazy
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,942

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    mwadams said:

    Sometimes it feels like 24 might be 92 redux, but then I try to imagine Johnson doing an “Honest Boris” soapbox tour.

    But you know who could?
    Keir Starmer.

    An alternative thought, though. I may think Johnson is a ghastly stain on the body politic that no amount of scrubbing and bleach can remove. But if Johnson is supposed to be a magical electoral asset by the faithful, will they really hide him away?
    Think back to 2019. Johnson ducked quite a lot. Johnson's image, as a cardboard cutout or a photo in a meme, was attractive. But the real thing... a different matter.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,628
    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    FPT

    What does a “victory” even look like, for Putin, now?


    Let’s say they conquer (and destroy) east Ukraine. They then have to rebuild it (with the Russian economy in free fall) and presumably occupy it - a land turned entirely hostile to them, rife with insurrection and partisan attacks on the Russian forces, Meanwhile more “fires” will occur across Russia

    At the same time, the EU will be weaning itself off Russian oil and gas, and Russia will edge towards bankruptcy

    I don’t see any route out of this that isn’t total defeat for Russia - and that’s even if they “win”

    You’ve asked the wrong and the right question

    A victory for Russia is not possible at this stage. Their leadership has made a gross error that has resulted in a huge strategic defeat for the country.

    A victory is still possible for Putin. In my view complete control of Donetsk and Luhansk would could as victory for the “special military operation” (…our people are safe…)

    I think the defence of Mariupol has made it too iconic for Zelensky to give it up… but Putin can point to the destruction of the Azov Brigade as an important step.

    I would put this scenario at a 30% chance, but this is why the UK is working so hard to push the western alliance onwards. They see that Russia is on the ground and want to damage them as much as possible. Opportunities like this are infrequent & the UK is not Russia’s friend. Germany and France are more interested in being Russia’s friend as they can make more money that way.
    Putin cannot take the whole of Lunansk and Donetsk at this point. They have already gotten bogged down and need to capture Kramatorsk from the north to achieve it. But they have failed to take a large city repeatedly, and this time their supply lines are insecure against the Ukrainian breakout from Kharkiv.
    I wouldn’t say “can not” but I do have it down as a 30% chance - I tend to the conservative in my strategic risk assessments however. Better to prepare for the realistic worst case outcome.
    The only way Russia can semi-win this is if the entire West buckles. Unfortunately for Putin the British refuse to do this, because they are seeking payback for Skripal and Litvinenko. It was truly stupid of Putin to offend an economy twice the size with attacks on British citizens on British soil.
    Cameron was pretty weak on Crimea. In his memoirs he even brags about giving Putin the idea of legitimating the annexation with a referendum.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    I am not saying that anywhere else has it better, but the UK economy seems quite uniquely fucked.

    Not least because the government has no interest in actual economic policy.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,695

    mwadams said:

    Sometimes it feels like 24 might be 92 redux, but then I try to imagine Johnson doing an “Honest Boris” soapbox tour.

    But you know who could?
    Keir Starmer.

    An alternative thought, though. I may think Johnson is a ghastly stain on the body politic that no amount of scrubbing and bleach can remove. But if Johnson is supposed to be a magical electoral asset by the faithful, will they really hide him away?
    Think back to 2019. Johnson ducked quite a lot. Johnson's image, as a cardboard cutout or a photo in a meme, was attractive. But the real thing... a different matter.
    He has never consented to a proper interview for a reason.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    kyf_100 said:

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

    Just mentioned this to my beloved and as practical as ever she said

    'I will just have to plant some more' !!!
  • Trump out. ScoMo out.

    Johnson out next, this is a Labour decade.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
    That is astonishing. And also this on gas storage:

    'Centrica (British Gas) shut the storage facility in 2017 after the government refused to subsidise its maintenance. The facility is actually a former gas field in the North Sea. I am sure if govt wanted to it could be reopened with engineering on the closed shore site. https://t.co/UHbdipyEE5'

    So at the moment we can't make use of the current glut for the winter.

    This is criminally irresponsible behaviour by a so called Tory Government. Why hasn't it been reversed along with a package of other measures to ease the impact of the cost of living crisis?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    kyf_100 said:

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

    Just mentioned this to my beloved and as practical as ever she said

    'I will just have to plant some more' !!!
    Big G, cultivating votre jardin comme d’habitude.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432
    kyf_100 said:

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

    Dependence on nitrogen fertiliser has been a disaster for nutrition. Nitrogen provides bulk. Its not the only mineral a crop needs to be healthy, and to make nourishing food. Rock dust is plentiful, and a far better fertiliser than nitrogen. So I see this as unintentional good news.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034

    kyf_100 said:

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

    Just mentioned this to my beloved and as practical as ever she said

    'I will just have to plant some more' !!!
    Big G, cultivating votre jardin comme d’habitude.
    You mentioned earlier you thought Ardern will fall next year

    As a Kiwi you obviously must have a feel for this and are Kiwi's falling out of love with her?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,524



    I’m not convinced that any of the last few PMs would have been able to resist pressure for “a deal”

    Ultimately we need to be careful to leave it to Zelensky to decide - we can be as militant as we like from our armchairs, but they're doing the actual fighting and dying. He's varied from setting his sights on total eviction of the Russians to saying that a diplomatic solution will be needed in the end. The Russians have also varied from implying they want to conquer the whole country to suggesting that it's really just about protecting their Donbas satellites. Unless someone wins outright, there will be a stalemate on the ground at some point, after which both sides may be up for a deal, and we shouldn't second-guess it, though insofar as it also involves lifting sanctions (e.g. to pay for reparations?) we may be asked by Ukraine to play a part. We should neither urge nor block a settlement.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    Winning 1.0 but it feels far from comfortable. 🫣

    York City?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited May 2022

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
    That is astonishing. And also this on gas storage:

    'Centrica (British Gas) shut the storage facility in 2017 after the government refused to subsidise its maintenance. The facility is actually a former gas field in the North Sea. I am sure if govt wanted to it could be reopened with engineering on the closed shore site. https://t.co/UHbdipyEE5'

    So at the moment we can't make use of the current glut for the winter.

    This is criminally irresponsible behaviour by a so called Tory Government. Why hasn't it been reversed along with a package of other measures to ease the impact of the cost of living crisis?

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
    That is astonishing. And also this on gas storage:

    'Centrica (British Gas) shut the storage facility in 2017 after the government refused to subsidise its maintenance. The facility is actually a former gas field in the North Sea. I am sure if govt wanted to it could be reopened with engineering on the closed shore site. https://t.co/UHbdipyEE5'

    So at the moment we can't make use of the current glut for the winter.

    This is criminally irresponsible behaviour by a so called Tory Government. Why hasn't it been reversed along with a package of other measures to ease the impact of the cost of living crisis?
    To steal, and extend, an observation I saw elsewhere, it’s because the government’s policy strategy (level up!) is totally disconnected from its economic strategy (lower taxes!) which is totally estranged from its politico-fiscal strategy (raise taxes now and cut them on the eve of the next election!) which is totally divorced from the current reality (stagflation).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,836

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    Hidden in that thread is that they can't give British gas away yet retail gas prices are at record highs.
    That is astonishing. And also this on gas storage:

    'Centrica (British Gas) shut the storage facility in 2017 after the government refused to subsidise its maintenance. The facility is actually a former gas field in the North Sea. I am sure if govt wanted to it could be reopened with engineering on the closed shore site. https://t.co/UHbdipyEE5'

    So at the moment we can't make use of the current glut for the winter.

    This is criminally irresponsible behaviour by a so called Tory Government. Why hasn't it been reversed along with a package of other measures to ease the impact of the cost of living crisis?
    Interference with the free market, private market will sort it, innit.

    (And yes I entirely agree. It should have been got going asap this spring already, even if not ready for some time.)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432

    I am not saying that anywhere else has it better, but the UK economy seems quite uniquely fucked.

    Not least because the government has no interest in actual economic policy.

    Actually, I think we're uniquely positioned to thrive in the current world circumstances. We have (with some caveats), plenty of food, plenty of varied fuel, we have the geographical advantages of being a set of islands, etc. The opportunities just need to be grasped. I'm open to being persuaded otherwise, but this Government is over. Boris can claw back a little respect from me if he deals with the hard situation in NI for his successor. But perhaps even that might take someone new.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    kyf_100 said:

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
    ·
    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

    Just mentioned this to my beloved and as practical as ever she said

    'I will just have to plant some more' !!!
    Big G, cultivating votre jardin comme d’habitude.
    You mentioned earlier you thought Ardern will fall next year

    As a Kiwi you obviously must have a feel for this and are Kiwi's falling out of love with her?
    Short answer, yes.

    She’s a very poor administrator and essentially a performative idiot.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034

    kyf_100 said:

    Thread on food prices - tomatoes as an example. Very worrying...


    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky
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    6h
    The upshot is that half of the greenhouses in the Lea Valley have been left empty this year.
    It's hard to describe what a big deal this is. Up until this year they hadn't seen a SINGLE one left without plants.
    This one should have cucumbers growing in it. Instead: nothing.

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1527926798104809473

    I've shared this before on here but a good read from 2 months ago about what fertilizer and other shortages mean for food supplies. TL;DR, eye-watering costs for the west and likely famine in many poorer countries.

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/farmers-on-the-brink

    Soaring food prices already causing riots in Iran

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/food-protests-continue-across-iran-as-one-person-reported-dead

    Dark times ahead.

    Just mentioned this to my beloved and as practical as ever she said

    'I will just have to plant some more' !!!
    Big G, cultivating votre jardin comme d’habitude.
    You mentioned earlier you thought Ardern will fall next year

    As a Kiwi you obviously must have a feel for this and are Kiwi's falling out of love with her?
    Short answer, yes.

    She’s a very poor administrator and essentially a performative idiot.
    Thanks
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504

    Winning 1.0 but it feels far from comfortable. 🫣

    York City?
    Yes and it’s getting feesty and nervy and his name is a shop I get now 🤦‍♀️
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