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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,138
    edited May 2022
    kjh said:

    Are LDs more monarchist than Lab? Genuine question as I have no idea. I think a lot of people don't feel strongly one way or the other and are happy to have a good party. I know that is my position. In principle I guess I am a Republican but I have no great desire to get rid of the monarchy as it stands. Most royal events I ignore, but I did take part in the silver jubilee celebrations (on the winning team of a pram race pub crawl) and happy to take part in any party for any excuse.
    Yes.

    86% of Tory voters want to keep the monarchy as do 62% of Liberal Democrats.

    However only 43% of Labour voters want to keep the royal family

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/05/21/young-britons-are-turning-their-backs-monarchy
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,870
    This meteora business is all very impressive but I REALLY want a beer


  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,162

    Damn

    I should have called it a new Front not a movement. My mind must be clouded this morning.
    Don’t be surprised though by pressure from the bar-stards in the party
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    There is an irony if Boris does only receive one FPN against all the odds, then Starmer and Rayner resign over Durham
    I think I'd need oxygen.

    chortLOLe.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    How in the world did Boris get a fine for the birthday gathering, but not for the other events. The birthday one appeared really borderline, especially compared to some of the organised "work" events.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    edited May 2022
    Confirmed Boris has no further fines

    Expect betting on Boris exit will now support post GE24
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    That was always the danger of SKS's all in strategy on Partygate.
    I was assured ASSURED that it was a genius strategy and that there was no risk.

    Top Tip - if you think your approach has no risk, go back and jolly well find one.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    kjh said:

    If we are all axe murderers there would be carnage.

    I think I have told this story before but I asked one of our workman how stuff was progressing. I was carrying an axe at the time. He commented it was going well but added he always says that to customers carrying an axe.
    I once walked around the Isle of Arran. At the end of one day, I went into a hotel and asked them if I could camp in their grounds, if I purchased a meal with them. They said I could camp on the foreshore, where some travellers were parked.

    So I went up the travellers, introduced myself, had a chat, and asked if they would mind me pitching up. They said it was fine, so I put my tent up on the other side of the clearing. The ground was too hard for me to push my pegs in, so I went to ask a gypsy if I could borrow a hammer. He returned with the largest axe you could imagine, and I proceeded to use the back of it to knock my pegs in. When I returned it, he said something like: "We'll be having no trouble from you tonight, will we?"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,571

    There is an irony if Boris does only receive one FPN against all the odds, then Starmer and Rayner resign over Durham
    Additional irony is that the Tory press would then have brought down an unpopular Labour leader who is just not cutting through in the seats they need to win in order to save Big Dog from only one FPN over a cake.

    Never underestimate Lab's ability to screw up a leadership election but there's a chance someone more attractive to the voters will be in place by October.

    And a final irony. If by some weird alignment of the planets Johnson does actually have to resign then the inventor and master of Cakeism would have been brought down by a... cake.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,698

    Confirmed Boris has no further fines

    Expect betting on Boris exit will now support post GE24

    Farce.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402

    How in the world did Boris get a fine for the birthday gathering, but not for the other events. The birthday one appeared really borderline, especially compared to some of the organised "work" events.

    Because the law in question is an absolute farce.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,779

    You can tell a lot by the names people give their offspring. Fellowes's son is Peregrine Charles Morant Kitchener-Fellowes. (Thanks, Wikipedia).
    To be fair, Perry is the Fellowes family name, while Morant is a Kitchener family name. (His reasons for double-barrelling with his wife’s maiden name, Kitchener, were roundly mocked at the time)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,571
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    6m
    I wish I'd known getting a load of people together in my back garden for a BYOB, wine and food event was within the rules, just so long as you could claim it was for work purposes. I'd have had you all round, and written a couple of words on it...

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1527242581003980800
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280

    So completely unbiased then given the Jean Monnet chair?
    Given we have been aiming there for a few years now, there are two main possibilities:

    1 Its a unicorn
    2 It is perfectly achievable but the government are shit at negotiating
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,225

    Like waiting for Godot...


    Anushka Asthana
    @AnushkaAsthana
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    22m
    Sources tell me Sue Gray will aim to publish her report shortly- but that could be a week or more as they will need to know from the police that they can go ahead, then she’ll finalise her report

    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1527225299343114240

    Who's Godot?
    Plays full back for QPR.
    [Pause] He doesn't
    The Sweeney. RIP Dennis Waterman.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    No further fines for Johnson .

    On the face of it that’s a huge surprise . If you were a conspiracy theorist you’d think the Met decided to give him a FPN for the least serious offense which is easier for no 10 to brush away and then decided not to act on more serious offenses as that could effectively have finished his premiership .

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808
    Applicant said:

    What about guy's family?
    What about the family of the person he finally manages to succeed in stabbing? You really think this is likely to be a one off incident?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,779

    Given we have been aiming there for a few years now, there are two main possibilities:

    1 Its a unicorn
    2 It is perfectly achievable but the government are shit at negotiating
    3 the EU is acting my in bad faith
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,571

    Because the law in question is an absolute farce.
    Yep.

    One can only guess that the plod in their infinite wisdom have taken the view that the appearance of a cake transformed the event from work meeting to social event.

    Whereas the appearance of shed loads of booze and nibbles did not transform the other events from work to social.

    Fecking mental.

    Private Eye will have a field day.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,138
    edited May 2022
    Roger said:

    I wanted to see something on the big screen the other day so went to see Downton (something or other). My taste in cinema is eclectic and I watch a lot from around the world. But on reflection I don't think I've watched such ill judged tripe for a long time. It wasn't the storyline or even the acting-though wading through that guff must have been a challenge- it was the underlying assumptions the story made.

    It was a trip through the sensibiliies of Julian Fellowes and it wasn't a nice place to be. To him it was a wonderous place where there was order and everyone knew their position in it. It was a story of class and snobbishness that far from being reviled was worshipped. It wasn't a case of being historically accurate either. The sub plot of the leading actor's gay liason with the under-butler in the film within the film was simply ridiculous.

    I understand the alienation Heathener is talking about and she has a point. The sooner this class ridden nonsense is scrubbed from our consciousness the sooner the country might regain some of it's harmony and dignity. Whoever rids us of the Bullingdon Boys and the 'Fellowes' mentality that put them there the sooner the country might forget the bruising last few years and become a half decent place to be in again.
    Rather unfair. We went to see Downton last night and very much enjoyed it. Fellowes is an excellent scriptwriter, director and actor.

    All the staff were portrayed well. The only characters who weren't were the wife of a Marquis in a legal battle with the Dowager Countess over a French villa he left her and a female new money actress from the East End who treated the staff poorly before connecting with them again as she needed to adapt to the age of the talkies and remembered her roots.

    Given homosexuality was illegal at the time even the discreet manoeuvres between the butler and leading man actor were not inaccurate

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,571
    We shouldn't forget that Johnson lied in Commons though.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    Dishy Rishi must be pissed. He gets done for having a glass of water while singing happy birthday to the boss, while everybody else spends half the time rat arsed....but now equally guilty as them.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    nico679 said:

    No further fines for Johnson .

    On the face of it that’s a huge surprise . If you were a conspiracy theorist you’d think the Met decided to give him a FPN for the least serious offense which is easier for no 10 to brush away and then decided not to act on more serious offenses as that could effectively have finished his premiership .

    It has surprised me to be honest and frankly Starmer and Rayner may well have made an error of judgment that could end their careers
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,698
    So for 5 other events that Bozo was at, others have been fined and he wasn't.

    One rule for them, another for the rest of us.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 913

    Damn

    I should have called it a new Front not a movement. My mind must be clouded this morning.
    The pressure must be really high.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554

    We shouldn't forget that Johnson lied in Commons though.

    Doesn't he do that every week?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    I can’t see how Starmer gets a FPN now given booze and food doesn’t seem to be an issue for the Met.

    If that doesn’t turn it into a social event then curry and beer certainly shouldn’t .
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402

    We shouldn't forget that Johnson lied in Commons though.

    What exactly did he say in parliament?

    Given the inconsistency of the law (especially if Starmer gets away with the Durham event), might it have been reasonable for Johnson to have assumed he had not broken the law when he said it?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Nigelb said:

    A quote which has always seemed both pompous and snobbish.
    Perhaps unfairly ?
    I'd agree with the quote that there's something more important about discussing ideas, rather than people, but it's the sense that people only ever discuss one or the other which jars.

    And then the whole purpose of discussing ideas would be to apply those ideas to influence events, it being events that affect people.

    How well can you discuss ideas if you've never discussed events and people?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107
    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, when a lot of the Highland roads were upgraded from single track, maybe Scotland was a net contributor?

    Always thought it was a bit mad that Scotland went for independence just as the oil ran out, and the balance inverted. Wait for wind!
    already given that away
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640

    northern_monkey how to create a 🦄 in 3 easy steps.

    Step 1: Leave Single Market
    Step 2: Don't enforce border in Irish Sea
    Step 3: Don't enforce land border

    Voila: 🦄 created. Move on.

    So simple, isn't it? We should get you on the Israel/Palestine question pronto. Then wider world peace.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    nico679 said:

    I can’t see how Starmer gets a FPN now given booze and food doesn’t seem to be an issue for the Met.

    If that doesn’t turn it into a social event then curry and beer certainly shouldn’t .

    Let's not forget that over a hundred FPNs have been issued by the Met. To say they don't care about booze and food is ridiculous.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,571
    John Crace
    @JohnJCrace
    Turns out parties were legal after all


    ===

    Time to return all those fines for student parties me thinks.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,615
    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, when a lot of the Highland roads were upgraded from single track, maybe Scotland was a net contributor?

    Always thought it was a bit mad that Scotland went for independence just as the oil ran out, and the balance inverted. Wait for wind!
    I drove to Gairloch yesterday for the first time this year. Most of the last five miles are single track, the rest having been improved with the assistance of EU funding. I assumed the last five miles would remain single track after Brexit, but was pleased to see that Highland Council are doubling a section of the road at the moment.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    HYUFD said:

    Rather unfair. We went to see Downton last night and very much enjoyed it. Fellowes is an excellent scriptwriter, director and actor.

    All the staff were portrayed well. The only characters who weren't were the wife of a Marquis in a legal battle with the Dowager Countess over a French villa he left her and a female new money actress from the East End who treated the staff poorly before connecting with them again as she needed to adapt to the age of the talkies and remembered her roots.

    Given homosexuality was illegal at the time even the discreet manoeuvres between the butler and leading man actor were not inaccurate

    I fear Roger suffers a little from inverted snobbery. Hence his fondness for Hartlepool. ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    edited May 2022
    nico679 said:

    I can’t see how Starmer gets a FPN now given booze and food doesn’t seem to be an issue for the Met.

    If that doesn’t turn it into a social event then curry and beer certainly shouldn’t .

    My money has always been on the plod fudge Starmer case and say potential minor breach, which at the time might have had an officer remind those in attendance of the laws, no further action.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031

    So for 5 other events that Bozo was at, others have been fined and he wasn't.

    One rule for them, another for the rest of us.

    There has to be legal reasons why the MET have issued FPNs and to whom
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280
    edited May 2022

    3 the EU is acting my in bad faith
    No, they have not misled us, in fact they have consistently told us what types of deals are on the table. Not agreeing to something you said no to at the start is not acting in bad faith at all. Trying to persuade someone who repeatedly says no to suddenly say yes without offering anything else in return is unicorn chasing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,571
    Well, if this police decision isn't a massive scandal, I don't know what is.

    It's an absolute disgrace. But totally unsurprising.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    RobD said:

    Let's not forget that over a hundred FPNs have been issued by the Met. To say they don't care about booze and food is ridiculous.
    The concensus in the media is that Starmer has put himself into an unnecessary perilous position
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,539
    nico679 said:

    No further fines for Johnson .

    On the face of it that’s a huge surprise . If you were a conspiracy theorist you’d think the Met decided to give him a FPN for the least serious offense which is easier for no 10 to brush away and then decided not to act on more serious offenses as that could effectively have finished his premiership .

    Alternatively, they wanted to give cover to Durham Police to not fine Starmer...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,640

    Dishy Rishi must be pissed. He gets done for having a glass of water while singing happy birthday to the boss, while everybody else spends half the time rat arsed....but now equally guilty as them.

    Then he should have gone to court. No one had to accept a FPN.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,698

    There has to be legal reasons why the MET have issued FPNs and to whom
    Definitely reasons. Whether or not they are all based on legality is another question.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031

    What exactly did he say in parliament?

    Given the inconsistency of the law (especially if Starmer gets away with the Durham event), might it have been reasonable for Johnson to have assumed he had not broken the law when he said it?
    There is an enquiry into the accusations Boris lied and it will be interesting to see their conclusions
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,640

    John Crace
    @JohnJCrace
    Turns out parties were legal after all


    ===

    Time to return all those fines for student parties me thinks.

    Over 100 FPN's says otherwise, but I actually think all covid fines should be rescinded. Bad laws, badly applied.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,256

    Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not sure those comments were made - at least not yesterday, and as far as I can remember.
    Hmmm...

    So a chap from Senegal isn't especially LGBTQ+

    Two players who are from Senegal appear to support him in this.

    This rather brings us to the issue of adaption to the host culture when in a country, or the old Political correctness idea of "separate but equal cultures" - yes, some apparent people got up on their hind legs and used that phrase. While discussing equality....

    I went to university in 90s. Violent homophobia was present. Because of the source of it, the President of Gay Society actively suppressed (or tried to suppress) reporting of attacks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,138
    edited May 2022

    I fear Roger suffers a little from inverted snobbery. Hence his fondness for Hartlepool. ;)
    Yes, Roger is all for the classless society as long as it does not include oiks who voted for Boris and Leave from the likes of Hartlepool and working class Le Pen voters in his adopted nation
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031

    Definitely reasons. Whether or not they are all based on legality is another question.
    Then you are challenging the Met Police and suggesting they acted inappropriately
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,256
    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Roger is all for the classless society as long as it does not include oiks who voted Leave from the likes of Hartlepool and working class Le Pen voters in his adopted nation
    The Head Count are always revolting.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,078

    The concensus in the media is that Starmer has put himself into an unnecessary perilous position
    You are absolutely right Big G today! The only losers from Partygate is Starmer, Rayner and Labour. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙂🙂🙂🙂
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808
    HYUFD said:

    Yes, Roger is all for the classless society as long as it does not include oiks who voted Leave from the likes of Hartlepool and working class Le Pen voters in his adopted nation
    Or people that dispute the right of people in his industry to use their influence to pressure women
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    Farooq said:

    There is no such consensus. Maybe in the media you read...
    Watch
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    edited May 2022
    Bindweed is the Vladimir Putin of the gardening world.

    Evil bloody stuff. Grrrrr.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,297

    Well, if this police decision isn't a massive scandal, I don't know what is.

    It's an absolute disgrace. But totally unsurprising.

    The ordinary people who were fined ought to have their money returned.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,577

    Yep.

    One can only guess that the plod in their infinite wisdom have taken the view that the appearance of a cake transformed the event from work meeting to social event.

    Whereas the appearance of shed loads of booze and nibbles did not transform the other events from work to social.

    Fecking mental.

    Private Eye will have a field day.
    If only Boris had had a birthday biryani, he'd be fine....or not fined, as the case may be.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,078
    Farooq said:

    There is no such consensus. Maybe in the media you read...
    You are wrong Farooq. You don’t need media to tell you what you can deduce yourself. ABBA nite to celebrate Cummings going - nothing to see here, move along now. Beer whilst working in a hotel late on a Friday night, Labour loses its entire leadership mid term and is thrown into chaos! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808
    Nigelb said:

    A quote which has always seemed both pompous and snobbish.
    Perhaps unfairly ?

    she left off the last line, politicians waffle shit they have no idea about
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,406
    Heathener said:

    Bindweed is the Vladimir Putin of the gardening world.

    Evil bloody stuff. Grrrrr.

    Some found its way inside my recently-constructed garden studio. You can almost see it growing in real time. It is an incredible plant.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,078
    Farooq said:

    And about 400 Tory former councillors
    Cannon fodder. Big dog saved.

    You know, they might even throw a party tonight.

    And another one in a few weeks when Starmer and Rayner resigns.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,577
    Perhaps Plod was under the misapprehension that Boris' Cake was of the Brass Eye variety....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580

    You are wrong Farooq. You don’t need media to tell you what you can deduce yourself. ABBA nite to celebrate Cummings going - nothing to see here, move along now. Beer whilst working in a hotel late on a Friday night, Labour loses its entire leadership mid term and is thrown into chaos! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Cressida Dick wasn't one of those present at No 10, ws she?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,256
    Farooq said:

    That is allowed, you know. You don't have to delve deep to find instances where the Met Police have acted inappropriately. I'm sure @Cyclefree can furnish you with a story or two
    Or ask someone with a deep sun tan and a moderately expensive car.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,539

    If only Boris had had a birthday biryani, he'd be fine....or not fined, as the case may be.
    Would Jaffar Cakes been allowed?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Fallout from cake round the chopsgate......

    Nobody will follow any lockdown crap again - a bonus positive
    I expect the public to be thoroughly pissed off, fed up and want to move on to dealing with COL like now
    I also fully expect Boris, if SKS is fined' to have the brass neck to brazenly suggest that his minor dalliance with cake is much less serious than Starmers Korma and Beer, the disgraceful large dog that he is
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    Farooq said:

    That is allowed, you know. You don't have to delve deep to find instances where the Met Police have acted inappropriately. I'm sure @Cyclefree can furnish you with a story or two
    Of course accusations can be made about the MET but on something as important as this I do expect them to have followed the law accurately
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    Suggest we await the Sue Gray report next week
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,779

    No, they have not misled us, in fact they have consistently told us what types of deals are on the table. Not agreeing to something you said no to at the start is not acting in bad faith at all. Trying to persuade someone who repeatedly says no to suddenly say yes without offering anything else in return is unicorn chasing.
    The current deal envisages a joint committee implementing a risk based approach to UK-NI trade. They have not cooperated.

    It also envisages a trusted trader scheme which they have refused to implement.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,078

    There is an enquiry into the accusations Boris lied and it will be interesting to see their conclusions
    As the police have cleared him of illegal partying there is no way he has misled parliament. Except not appreciating ambushed by a cake between meetings was actually a party, but, well…
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,571
    "One law for them and another law for the rest of us" is going to be back in discussion now I think.

    Might actually be worse for Johnson in long run to be seen to have got away with rules not applying to him that did apply to the rest of us.

  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    We shouldn't forget that Johnson lied in Commons though.

    Based on the police findings, what exactly did he say that was a provable lie?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,640

    If only Boris had had a birthday biryani, he'd be fine....or not fined, as the case may be.
    Its a stretch to say that over 100 FPNs mean that booze and nibbles have been ruled ok. I am coming to believe that Johnson was not that far from the truth when he said he had thought everything complied with the rules. It seems likely that he wasn't at many of these events.

    This won't be a popular view.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808

    Fallout from cake round the chopsgate......

    Nobody will follow any lockdown crap again - a bonus positive
    I expect the public to be thoroughly pissed off, fed up and want to move on to dealing with COL like now
    I also fully expect Boris, if SKS is fined' to have the brass neck to brazenly suggest that his minor dalliance with cake is much less serious than Starmers Korma and Beer, the disgraceful large dog that he is

    Both were equally egregious in the eyes of most I suspect so he would be on a sticky wicket
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,256
    tlg86 said:

    Would Jaffar Cakes been allowed?
    It is my understanding - https://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKVAT/2005/V19389.html etc - that in law, a Jaffa Cake is a cake.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    I wonder how many junior staff have had two or three fines and they, or their Union rep, ar3e seriously pissed off about it. Unless someone else paid the fines.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,078

    Fallout from cake round the chopsgate......

    Nobody will follow any lockdown crap again - a bonus positive
    I expect the public to be thoroughly pissed off, fed up and want to move on to dealing with COL like now
    I also fully expect Boris, if SKS is fined' to have the brass neck to brazenly suggest that his minor dalliance with cake is much less serious than Starmers Korma and Beer, the disgraceful large dog that he is

    Nonsense. We will all be in lockdown again after the jubilee celebrations to prevent this spread of monkey pox.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Pagan2 said:

    Both were equally egregious in the eyes of most I suspect so he would be on a sticky wicket
    He would but I still wouldn't put it past him
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    I wonder how many junior staff have had two or three fines and they, or their Union rep, ar3e seriously pissed off about it. Unless someone else paid the fines.

    A knock on could be some embarssing revenge 'briefings'
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,577
    tlg86 said:

    Would Jaffar Cakes been allowed?
    Which, as we know from the VAT legislation, are actually biscuits.

    Layer cake confusion, madeira.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    Whether you like it or not, the UK is a country in which the wealthy and well connected do operate to a different set of rules to everyone else. I am surprised anyone is surprised by this. But if the Johnsons were legally able to have a party in their flat during lockdown, then millions of the rest of us made a lot of sacrifices back then that we did not need to.

    Politically, Johnson's position as Tory leader and PM is now cemented until the general election. His ownership of the Conservative party will get stronger. I am not so sure, though, that anything will change in the country. The majority that now believe he is a lying grifter will continue to think it and the cost of living crisis will dominate.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Then you are challenging the Met Police and suggesting they acted inappropriately
    You have faith in the Met Police? The most remarkable such expression since St Thomas Aquinas.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,640

    Nonsense. We will all be in lockdown again after the jubilee celebrations to prevent this spread of monkey pox.
    We won't.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,737

    Yep.

    One can only guess that the plod in their infinite wisdom have taken the view that the appearance of a cake transformed the event from work meeting to social event.

    Whereas the appearance of shed loads of booze and nibbles did not transform the other events from work to social.

    Fecking mental.

    Private Eye will have a field day.
    Presumably, if anything, it’s the appearance of Carrie, not cake?

    Or maybe it’s just Boris’s lawyer got him to write the wrong thing on that questionnaire.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,406

    Which, as we know from the VAT legislation, are actually biscuits.

    Layer cake confusion, madeira.
    No legally they are cakes (hence their VAT exemption).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Farooq said:

    "Something as important as this"?
    Rape and murder are more important than "this", and, well, the Met's record is not something I would lean too heavily on if I were you.
    The Met are primarily political police to keep BigG happy, rather than Londoners safe?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Nonsense. We will all be in lockdown again after the jubilee celebrations to prevent this spread of monkey pox.
    Not sure if you're jesting but lockdown would be an utterly inappropriate response given how monkeyspunky spreads in the main. Although I note wingnut Feigl-Ding is trying to stoke up hysteria
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017

    There has to be legal reasons why the MET have issued FPNs and to whom

    Johnson attended a number of parties that we now know were illegal. He did not demand that any of them be stopped. He was happy for them to continue. As far as he was concerned, it was quite literally one rule for his people and another for the rest of us. That may not attract a fine, but it does tell you exactly what kind of man he is.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280
    Farooq said:

    "Something as important as this"?
    Rape and murder are more important than "this", and, well, the Met's record is not something I would lean too heavily on if I were you.
    Also ignores that there is significant latitude in how police and prosecutors follow the law. It is not something that can be followed accurately merely something where the police will (or at least should) search out an appropriate and reasonable path of action.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,256

    Of course accusations can be made about the MET but on something as important as this I do expect them to have followed the law accurately
    Have you actually encountered the Met? Or observed their actions, over the years?

    A simple example, to illustrate the genre.

    When a policeman hit a newspaper vendor during a demo, and the vendor later died, a senior policeman decided to hold a press conference. And claim that the police officers present had tried to aid the man as he lay on the ground.

    There were 20 plus photographers (and others with mobile phones) who had video showing the police *preventing* anyone coming to his aid.

    Doing fucking idiotic and indefensible things on major, public, cases is SOP for the Met.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,640

    Not sure if you're jesting but lockdown would be an utterly inappropriate response given how monkeyspunky spreads in the main. Although I note wingnut Feigl-Ding is trying to stoke up hysteria
    I'm astonished that Feigl-Dingbat is trying to stoke hysteria. Astonished.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    I'm astonished that Feigl-Dingbat is trying to stoke hysteria. Astonished.
    We've had the 'ITS AIRBORNEEEEEEEEEEEEE' tweet already
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    I wonder how many junior staff have had two or three fines and they, or their Union rep, ar3e seriously pissed off about it. Unless someone else paid the fines.

    If I were a junior member of staff accused of doing something illegal whilst at work, I’d have expected my union to put up a lawyer and to have my day in court.

    That the fines issues appear to have all been paid with no fuss, suggests that there has been an agreement somewhere.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    Carnyx said:

    You have faith in the Met Police? The most remarkable such expression since St Thomas Aquinas.
    Nobody is more surprised than I am but according to Helen Ball, Assistant Met Police in charge of the investigation, everybody cooperated and nobody was interviewed under caution

    It seems most knew they were in breach of covid regulations and accepted their FPN
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808

    Whether you like it or not, the UK is a country in which the wealthy and well connected do operate to a different set of rules to everyone else. I am surprised anyone is surprised by this. But if the Johnsons were legally able to have a party in their flat during lockdown, then millions of the rest of us made a lot of sacrifices back then that we did not need to.

    Politically, Johnson's position as Tory leader and PM is now cemented until the general election. His ownership of the Conservative party will get stronger. I am not so sure, though, that anything will change in the country. The majority that now believe he is a lying grifter will continue to think it and the cost of living crisis will dominate.

    While I agree with you the well off and well connected seem to be treated differently its also the observation of a lot of people that so do the feral scum of society these days where it seems the police and courts cant be bothered as whats the point. Thats why during the shopping riots we found people who have already got 50 offences on their record going to jail for the first time.

    People in the middle, just dotting along being pretty much law abiding seem to a lot of us as the primary target these days as we are easy clear ups and punishment might actually change us. Not just my view but the view of most I know and they range from left to right. Most of us don't even bother reporting a crime now unless we need an insurance number as even if you can give the police information they don't seem to give a shit if its either the well connected or the feral scum of society.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280

    Nobody is more surprised than I am but according to Helen Ball, Assistant Met Police in charge of the investigation, everybody cooperated and nobody was interviewed under caution

    It seems most knew they were in breach of covid regulations and accepted their FPN
    Everybody co-operated? You mean they filled in their questionnaires rather than abscond to the Caymans?

    What did you expect?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Hmmm...

    So a chap from Senegal isn't especially LGBTQ+

    Two players who are from Senegal appear to support him in this.

    This rather brings us to the issue of adaption to the host culture when in a country, or the old Political correctness idea of "separate but equal cultures" - yes, some apparent people got up on their hind legs and used that phrase. While discussing equality....

    I went to university in 90s. Violent homophobia was present. Because of the source of it, the President of Gay Society actively suppressed (or tried to suppress) reporting of attacks.
    I also went to university around the same time. Not long before I started, the rugby club had joined the gay society (as I believe it was called at the time, it certainly predated LGB becoming LGBT, let alone the rest of the alphabet) en masse and voting to shut it down. IIRC it had to regenerate under a new name and the SU had to jump in to protect against it happening again.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Nobody is more surprised than I am but according to Helen Ball, Assistant Met Police in charge of the investigation, everybody cooperated and nobody was interviewed under caution

    It seems most knew they were in breach of covid regulations and accepted their FPN
    Take it on the chin lads and we will pay it?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580

    Nobody is more surprised than I am but according to Helen Ball, Assistant Met Police in charge of the investigation, everybody cooperated and nobody was interviewed under caution

    It seems most knew they were in breach of covid regulations and accepted their FPN
    Or, as Mr Sandpit suggests, some action was taken by someone to ensure that they were not out of pocket.
    In years to come I suggest there are going to be some 'interesting' memoirs.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,640

    Take it on the chin lads and we will pay it?
    I've speculated before that many if not all of those fines may ultimately have their fines paid by the civil service (special bonus for covid work etc).
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Heathener said:

    Bindweed is the Vladimir Putin of the gardening world.

    Evil bloody stuff. Grrrrr.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYr0eNtpDHs

    Left-handed. Sinister. It figures...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031

    Or, as Mr Sandpit suggests, some action was taken by someone to ensure that they were not out of pocket.
    In years to come I suggest there are going to be some 'interesting' memoirs.
    I am sure you are right
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