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Starmer moving back in the next PM betting – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,162
edited May 2022 in General
imageStarmer moving back in the next PM betting – politicalbetting.com

This really about whether there will be a change of Prime Minister ahead of the next general election which of course is due to take place in 2024. The greater it seems likely that there will be no change at the top in the Tory Party the greater the chances punters will see of Starmer being the next PM

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  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    First as SKS will be in 2024
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Second like the Tories
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,277
    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    The Sunak odds get me every time. Will he even rate a footnote in the history of the period?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    Should have been a civil engineer.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    John Major says Hi!
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293
    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    How did Major beat Kinnock, then?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
     

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    How did Major beat Kinnock, then?
    Seems boring beats windbaggery.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    15 mins into the main news on BBC and it is all cost of living.



  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    John Major says Hi!
    Boring PMs are usually mid-Parliament replacements and then usually don't go onto win the next election e.g Brown and Callaghan. Major was the exception.

    SKS would buck a trend if he became PM, but I wouldn't count him out given the current trend (even 2 years out).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    John Major says Hi!
    And Attlee
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited May 2022
    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    On the latest polls the punters are correct. Starmer is most likely to be PM after Johnson.

  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293
    1945, 1992, and 2017 are all elections were the arguably more boring party leader won out of Labour and the Conservatives.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    15 mins into the main news on BBC and it is all cost of living.



    Good thing there is no war going on in Europe to distract the media.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    15 mins into the main news on BBC and it is all cost of living.

    Someone's bound to complain that the topic's being inflated.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    That would be hilarious. I think during the height of the Brexit wrangling under May, when Parliament was taking control here and there, someone even suggested a sort of council of statesman made up of former PMs to try and steady the ship. Not a goer for obvious reasons.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    Politically, I favour Mordaunt. Her situation Tory-leader-wise looks good at the moment. Someone is briefing against Truss, and if it's anything like as good as the Sunak takedown, she's a goner. Tugendhat is just a nobody, no idea why he's there. I can't see people going for Hunt, as it would be considered a backward step. That leaves Mordaunt against Wallace, which she will win.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    I see some humorist at BF has put Aaron Bell in list of next PMs after Johnson at 1000/1
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,277
    geoffw said:

     

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    How did Major beat Kinnock, then?
    Seems boring beats windbaggery.

    LOL!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    Perhaps. Raab is the obvious (and surely first) choice though. He could certainly still run for next Tory leader.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    geoffw said:

     

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    How did Major beat Kinnock, then?
    Seems boring beats windbaggery.

    Besides, 1992 Major was remarkably charismatic in person, with a lovely smile. Hard to imagine any politician in this generation being able to hold a crowd with a soapbox and loudhailer.

    Starmer's appeal, "I'll make Britain boring again", shouldn't be a winner in normal times.

    But these aren't normal times, and aren't likely to get normal soon. Calm and decency to apply the pain a bit more fairly might be enough.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    John Major says Hi!
    And Attlee
    Good point.

    We could also add: May, Heath, Callaghan, Douglas-Home and Chamberlain from the past 100 years.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Farooq said:

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    Check the market rule before striking a bet like this. It's always good to know whether you're going to lose because
    1. you're wrong about what will happen, or
    2. you misunderstood what's needed to win the bet AND you're wrong about what will happen
    It's 1 in this case obviously
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    Politically, I favour Mordaunt. Her situation Tory-leader-wise looks good at the moment. Someone is briefing against Truss, and if it's anything like as good as the Sunak takedown, she's a goner. Tugendhat is just a nobody, no idea why he's there. I can't see people going for Hunt, as it would be considered a backward step. That leaves Mordaunt against Wallace, which she will win.

    You see no virtue under the hat?

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Ben Kentish
    @BenKentish
    Iain Duncan Smith sticks the boot into Rishi Sunak. Asked by
    @AndrewMarr9
    about the Chancellor’s claims that IT systems won’t let him ⬆️ benefits, IDS: “It’s not true. I don’t believe a word of it…This is what officials pass you when they think they don’t want to do something.”

    https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1526978347607244806

    ====

    Actually, I think Sunak was mainly referring to legacy welfare systems, but perhaps IDS is still correct about officials.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Don’t let St Bart see the front of the FT “worst bout of stagflation - weak growth alongside high inflation” since the 1970s

    🫣
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    Farooq said:

    Politically, I favour Mordaunt. Her situation Tory-leader-wise looks good at the moment. Someone is briefing against Truss, and if it's anything like as good as the Sunak takedown, she's a goner. Tugendhat is just a nobody, no idea why he's there. I can't see people going for Hunt, as it would be considered a backward step. That leaves Mordaunt against Wallace, which she will win.

    I thought you were a Vlad man?
    Excellent though that would be, the renovations required to No. 10 to accommodate the size of the furniture would be cost prohibitive.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited May 2022
    Omnium said:

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    Perhaps. Raab is the obvious (and surely first) choice though. He could certainly still run for next Tory leader.
    I'm assuming current cabinet excluded so as not to advantage anyone for leadership or cabinet positions after.
    A proper 'hand on the tiller' caretaker
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    edited May 2022
    Omnium said:

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    Perhaps. Raab is the obvious (and surely first) choice though. He could certainly still run for next Tory leader.
    If Johnson really did quit in a hissy fit leaving no PM then Queen would want to appointment caretaker who is not remotely in the running for next leader. Otherwise her choice would be seen as a positive tick against that candidate.

    My bet would be William hague, but he doesn't seem to be in BF's list
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    geoffw said:

    Politically, I favour Mordaunt. Her situation Tory-leader-wise looks good at the moment. Someone is briefing against Truss, and if it's anything like as good as the Sunak takedown, she's a goner. Tugendhat is just a nobody, no idea why he's there. I can't see people going for Hunt, as it would be considered a backward step. That leaves Mordaunt against Wallace, which she will win.

    You see no virtue under the hat?

    There seems to be very little under there.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited May 2022
    geoffw said:

     

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    How did Major beat Kinnock, then?
    Seems boring beats windbaggery.

    Boris has more than a touch if the windbag about him.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    This is such terrible football
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218

    Politically, I favour Mordaunt. Her situation Tory-leader-wise looks good at the moment. Someone is briefing against Truss, and if it's anything like as good as the Sunak takedown, she's a goner. Tugendhat is just a nobody, no idea why he's there. I can't see people going for Hunt, as it would be considered a backward step. That leaves Mordaunt against Wallace, which she will win.

    Mordaunt has a lot going for her- she can do the showy stuff, her backstory isn't just about about serving herself. But if she becomes a contender, how does she avoid the cocktail of poisonous briefing from Team Big Dog?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    Ben Kentish
    @BenKentish
    Iain Duncan Smith sticks the boot into Rishi Sunak. Asked by
    @AndrewMarr9
    about the Chancellor’s claims that IT systems won’t let him ⬆️ benefits, IDS: “It’s not true. I don’t believe a word of it…This is what officials pass you when they think they don’t want to do something.”

    https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1526978347607244806

    ====

    Actually, I think Sunak was mainly referring to legacy welfare systems, but perhaps IDS is still correct about officials.

    It was such obvious bullshit from Sunak though. Benefits are lifted every year due to inflation; £20 pw was easily added to UC for Covid when it suited HMG.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    How did Major beat Kinnock, then?
    By being the incumbent.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited May 2022

    Omnium said:

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    Perhaps. Raab is the obvious (and surely first) choice though. He could certainly still run for next Tory leader.
    If Johnson really did quit in a hissy fit leaving no PM then Queen would want to appointment caretaker who is not remotely in the running for next leader. Otherwise her choice would be seen as a positive tick against that candidate.

    My bet would be William hague, but he doesn't seem to be in BF's list
    She wont put in someone from the Lords. It's got to be May. Knows the job, seems to have a sense of duty. Wouldn't be burdened with any 'shortest serving PM' stigma.
    Hissy BJ = the most hilarious replacement ever.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640

    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    John Major says Hi!
    And Attlee
    Good point.

    We could also add: May, Heath, Callaghan, Douglas-Home and Chamberlain from the past 100 years.
    Heath was famously socially difficult and uncharasmatic, but I remember Callaghan as a rather good speaker, and quite personable. Wilson in the Seventies was rather dull too.

    Maybe everyone was a bit dull then though.
  • Leon said:

    This is such terrible football

    Nothing like a game involving the Scousers is it?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    Politically, I favour Mordaunt. Her situation Tory-leader-wise looks good at the moment. Someone is briefing against Truss, and if it's anything like as good as the Sunak takedown, she's a goner. Tugendhat is just a nobody, no idea why he's there. I can't see people going for Hunt, as it would be considered a backward step. That leaves Mordaunt against Wallace, which she will win.

    Mordaunt has a lot going for her- she can do the showy stuff, her backstory isn't just about about serving herself. But if she becomes a contender, how does she avoid the cocktail of poisonous briefing from Team Big Dog?
    Hopefully her relative obscurity protects her for a while. And then hopefully she's not got too much to brief about....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    Omnium said:

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    Perhaps. Raab is the obvious (and surely first) choice though. He could certainly still run for next Tory leader.
    If Johnson really did quit in a hissy fit leaving no PM then Queen would want to appointment caretaker who is not remotely in the running for next leader. Otherwise her choice would be seen as a positive tick against that candidate.

    My bet would be William hague, but he doesn't seem to be in BF's list
    She wont put in someone from the Lords. It's got to be May. Knows the job, seems to have a sense of duty. Wouldn't be burdened with any 'shortest serving PM' stigma.
    Hissy BJ = the most hilarious replacement ever.
    She should then call a snap election during caretake premiership - she'd probably win it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640
    Leon said:

    This is such terrible football

    Perhaps you don't go to many matches, a great number are like this in the English League.

    Football is a lot like British weather. Most of the time it is poor, but you live in hope of an unexpected glorious day.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Omnium said:

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    Perhaps. Raab is the obvious (and surely first) choice though. He could certainly still run for next Tory leader.
    If Johnson really did quit in a hissy fit leaving no PM then Queen would want to appointment caretaker who is not remotely in the running for next leader. Otherwise her choice would be seen as a positive tick against that candidate.

    My bet would be William hague, but he doesn't seem to be in BF's list
    She wont put in someone from the Lords. It's got to be May. Knows the job, seems to have a sense of duty. Wouldn't be burdened with any 'shortest serving PM' stigma.
    Hissy BJ = the most hilarious replacement ever.
    She should then call a snap election during caretake premiership - she'd probably win it.
    Thanks your majesty, I'm off walking this weekend!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Rishi Sunak has been so brilliantly taken down by Team Bozza that I propose a new PB verb: “to be Sunacked” - ie, to be comprehensively and ruthlessly knocked out of a political race by your supposed party allies

    Eg “I hear that Dick Pasty, of Mebyon Kernow, is about to be Sunacked by Star E Gazeypie, for putting the cream on his scone FIRST”
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Farooq said:

    1945, 1992, and 2017 are all elections were the arguably more boring party leader won out of Labour and the Conservatives.

    I think Miliband is more interesting the Cameron too.
    That's not to say "better". But more interesting. Is there anyone more vanilla and middle of the road than Cameron?
    Always thought that an odd expression. I mean, people like vanilla after all.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Leon said:

    Rishi Sunak has been so brilliantly taken down by Team Bozza that I propose a new PB verb: “to be Sunacked” - ie, to be comprehensively and ruthlessly knocked out of a political race by your supposed party allies

    Eg “I hear that Dick Pasty, of Mebyon Kernow, is about to be Sunacked by Star E Gazeypie, for putting the cream on his scone FIRST”

    Yes. Sooooo sunakered he was properly rished off in front our eyes. Unbelievable
  • kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    1945, 1992, and 2017 are all elections were the arguably more boring party leader won out of Labour and the Conservatives.

    I think Miliband is more interesting the Cameron too.
    That's not to say "better". But more interesting. Is there anyone more vanilla and middle of the road than Cameron?
    Always thought that an odd expression. I mean, people like vanilla after all.
    People liked Cameron too.

    Vanilla is the default and somewhat boring choice, not the exotic or interesting one - but more people go for vanilla.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    This is such terrible football

    Perhaps you don't go to many matches, a great number are like this in the English League.

    Football is a lot like British weather. Most of the time it is poor, but you live in hope of an unexpected glorious day.
    I’ve watched a fair number of EPL games this season. I admit that most halve involved the top 6 teams, but still

    They exhibit a different level of skill

    And UCL is equivalently superior to UEL
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    Omnium said:

    Obscure betting post.

    Johnson quits in a hissy fit when Sue Gray drops and he is challenged.
    He refuses to stay during a leadership election (goes full FU)
    Tories require a caretaker whilst they sort and needs to be a non runner, loyal to country, party and service prepared to do the job for 2 months and then leave.

    Stop forward Theresa May, the next PM

    Apols if already suggested whilst I was absent from site till last week.

    Perhaps. Raab is the obvious (and surely first) choice though. He could certainly still run for next Tory leader.
    If Johnson really did quit in a hissy fit leaving no PM then Queen would want to appointment caretaker who is not remotely in the running for next leader. Otherwise her choice would be seen as a positive tick against that candidate.

    My bet would be William hague, but he doesn't seem to be in BF's list
    She wont put in someone from the Lords. It's got to be May. Knows the job, seems to have a sense of duty. Wouldn't be burdened with any 'shortest serving PM' stigma.
    Hissy BJ = the most hilarious replacement ever.
    She should then call a snap election during caretake premiership - she'd probably win it.
    Thanks your majesty, I'm off walking this weekend!
    Hikegate inquiry incoming!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    geoffw said:

    Politically, I favour Mordaunt. Her situation Tory-leader-wise looks good at the moment. Someone is briefing against Truss, and if it's anything like as good as the Sunak takedown, she's a goner. Tugendhat is just a nobody, no idea why he's there. I can't see people going for Hunt, as it would be considered a backward step. That leaves Mordaunt against Wallace, which she will win.

    You see no virtue under the hat?

    There seems to be very little under there.
    Auf Deutsch mein Freund!

  • Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    This is such terrible football

    Perhaps you don't go to many matches, a great number are like this in the English League.

    Football is a lot like British weather. Most of the time it is poor, but you live in hope of an unexpected glorious day.
    Great final effort to be fair. If that had gone in it would have made up for the previous 120 minutes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640
    Great goalkeeping by EF.

    Lets see how he does at penalties.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited May 2022

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    1945, 1992, and 2017 are all elections were the arguably more boring party leader won out of Labour and the Conservatives.

    I think Miliband is more interesting the Cameron too.
    That's not to say "better". But more interesting. Is there anyone more vanilla and middle of the road than Cameron?
    Always thought that an odd expression. I mean, people like vanilla after all.
    People liked Cameron too.

    Vanilla is the default and somewhat boring choice, not the exotic or interesting one - but more people go for vanilla.
    Yep
    That's why swingers use it as a term.
    "SSH! There are vanillas in the midst."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640
    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    1945, 1992, and 2017 are all elections were the arguably more boring party leader won out of Labour and the Conservatives.

    I think Miliband is more interesting the Cameron too.
    That's not to say "better". But more interesting. Is there anyone more vanilla and middle of the road than Cameron?
    Always thought that an odd expression. I mean, people like vanilla after all.
    People liked Cameron too.

    Vanilla is the default and somewhat boring choice, not the exotic or interesting one - but more people go for vanilla.
    Cameron was vanilla
    Miliband was bacon and peanut butter

    Which of those two milkshakes would you choose?
    I suspect bacon and peanut butter would work surprisingly well as a milkshake.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640
    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    1945, 1992, and 2017 are all elections were the arguably more boring party leader won out of Labour and the Conservatives.

    I think Miliband is more interesting the Cameron too.
    That's not to say "better". But more interesting. Is there anyone more vanilla and middle of the road than Cameron?
    Always thought that an odd expression. I mean, people like vanilla after all.
    People liked Cameron too.

    Vanilla is the default and somewhat boring choice, not the exotic or interesting one - but more people go for vanilla.
    Yep
    That's why swingers use it as a term.
    "SSH! There are vanillas in our midst."
    I take your word for it.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    Leon said:

    Rishi Sunak has been so brilliantly taken down by Team Bozza that I propose a new PB verb: “to be Sunacked” - ie, to be comprehensively and ruthlessly knocked out of a political race by your supposed party allies

    Eg “I hear that Dick Pasty, of Mebyon Kernow, is about to be Sunacked by Star E Gazeypie, for putting the cream on his scone FIRST”

    When people ask "if Johnson can't be that stupid or lazy, or he wouldn't have got to the Premiership", this is why.

    There are very very many things about BoJo that make him unsuitable. But when it comes to the gathering and deployment of raw human power, the man is a genius. Some sort of political savant, if you like.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640

    Leon said:

    Rishi Sunak has been so brilliantly taken down by Team Bozza that I propose a new PB verb: “to be Sunacked” - ie, to be comprehensively and ruthlessly knocked out of a political race by your supposed party allies

    Eg “I hear that Dick Pasty, of Mebyon Kernow, is about to be Sunacked by Star E Gazeypie, for putting the cream on his scone FIRST”

    When people ask "if Johnson can't be that stupid or lazy, or he wouldn't have got to the Premiership", this is why.

    There are very very many things about BoJo that make him unsuitable. But when it comes to the gathering and deployment of raw human power, the man is a genius. Some sort of political savant, if you like.
    Yes, he is brutally effective at pursuing his own power. He really isnt bothered about anything else, except how it can benefit him.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Don’t let St Bart see the front of the FT “worst bout of stagflation - weak growth alongside high inflation” since the 1970s

    🫣

    Just read an article pointing out that *real* interest rates are at -8% for the first time ever so expect asset price hyperinflation contrary to Bart's hopes
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    1945, 1992, and 2017 are all elections were the arguably more boring party leader won out of Labour and the Conservatives.

    I think Miliband is more interesting the Cameron too.
    That's not to say "better". But more interesting. Is there anyone more vanilla and middle of the road than Cameron?
    Always thought that an odd expression. I mean, people like vanilla after all.
    People liked Cameron too.

    Vanilla is the default and somewhat boring choice, not the exotic or interesting one - but more people go for vanilla.
    Yep
    That's why swingers use it as a term.
    "SSH! There are vanillas in our midst."
    I take your word for it.
    Word.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Leon said:

    Rishi Sunak has been so brilliantly taken down by Team Bozza that I propose a new PB verb: “to be Sunacked” - ie, to be comprehensively and ruthlessly knocked out of a political race by your supposed party allies

    Eg “I hear that Dick Pasty, of Mebyon Kernow, is about to be Sunacked by Star E Gazeypie, for putting the cream on his scone FIRST”

    Yes Boris has thwarted his rivals pretty comprehensively in the Tory party, hit Starmer with beergate and will lead the Conservatives into the next general election
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    Leon said:

    Rishi Sunak has been so brilliantly taken down by Team Bozza that I propose a new PB verb: “to be Sunacked” - ie, to be comprehensively and ruthlessly knocked out of a political race by your supposed party allies

    Eg “I hear that Dick Pasty, of Mebyon Kernow, is about to be Sunacked by Star E Gazeypie, for putting the cream on his scone FIRST”

    It's more about what Boris has done then Sunak himself though isn't it? I'd call it being 'dog-rolled' - rolled over by team big dog. Leaves you smelling like you rolled in something dentrifying. Repels supporters, voters and bettors.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    IshmaelZ said:

    Don’t let St Bart see the front of the FT “worst bout of stagflation - weak growth alongside high inflation” since the 1970s

    🫣

    Just read an article pointing out that *real* interest rates are at -8% for the first time ever so expect asset price hyperinflation contrary to Bart's hopes
    FT also saying our inflation situation worst in G7.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874


    When people ask "if Johnson can't be that stupid or lazy, or he wouldn't have got to the Premiership", this is why.

    There are very very many things about BoJo that make him unsuitable. But when it comes to the gathering and deployment of raw human power, the man is a genius. Some sort of political savant, if you like.

    Yes, he knows what to say to any given audience at any given time and isn't bothered by the contradictions this creates.

    The problem is the centralisation of power he has initiated will be very difficult to remove - I'd like to think the next non-Conservative Government would make pledges to restore the power of parliament and weaken the Executive but I'm not optimistic and when opposition Conservatives complain about the centralisation of power the response will simply be it's a situation you created.

    That's how it often is with democracy - easy to knock bricks out of the wall, hard to put them back.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    I feel tense watching penalties when I REALLY don’t give much of a fuck who wins

    They are a superb and terrible invention
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    Ben Kentish
    @BenKentish
    Iain Duncan Smith sticks the boot into Rishi Sunak. Asked by
    @AndrewMarr9
    about the Chancellor’s claims that IT systems won’t let him ⬆️ benefits, IDS: “It’s not true. I don’t believe a word of it…This is what officials pass you when they think they don’t want to do something.”

    https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1526978347607244806

    ====

    Actually, I think Sunak was mainly referring to legacy welfare systems, but perhaps IDS is still correct about officials.

    IDS claimed benefits for a period when out of work and I exphas a greater understanding of those who rely on them when in personal difficulties than the ex Goldman Sachs, son in law of a billionaire Rishi
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sorry, Keith will never be PM - He's just too boring.

    John Major says Hi!
    And Attlee
    Good point.

    We could also add: May, Heath, Callaghan, Douglas-Home and Chamberlain from the past 100 years.
    Heath was famously socially difficult and uncharasmatic, but I remember Callaghan as a rather good speaker, and quite personable. Wilson in the Seventies was rather dull too.

    Maybe everyone was a bit dull then though.
    Men who had fought in WW2 probably felt they had had enough excitement already.
    I met Callaghan long after he was PM, and he certainly had a twinkle in his eye, even in his dotage. A very charming man.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited May 2022
    Deleted. Double post again
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited May 2022
    As a dog returneth to its own vomit (Proverbs 26.11) so is 45 urging Dr Oz to declare "victory" in Pennsylvania. BEFORE over 20k Republican Primary ballots (mostly postal) are processed, verified and counted. AND re-counted as per state law.

    EDIT - Oz now leading McCormick by +1,700 votes out of 1.3m counted so far
  • stodge said:


    When people ask "if Johnson can't be that stupid or lazy, or he wouldn't have got to the Premiership", this is why.

    There are very very many things about BoJo that make him unsuitable. But when it comes to the gathering and deployment of raw human power, the man is a genius. Some sort of political savant, if you like.

    Yes, he knows what to say to any given audience at any given time and isn't bothered by the contradictions this creates.

    The problem is the centralisation of power he has initiated will be very difficult to remove - I'd like to think the next non-Conservative Government would make pledges to restore the power of parliament and weaken the Executive but I'm not optimistic and when opposition Conservatives complain about the centralisation of power the response will simply be it's a situation you created.

    That's how it often is with democracy - easy to knock bricks out of the wall, hard to put them back.
    Because in Blair's 'sofa' government power wasn't centralised at all was it?

    People have been complaining about the centralisation of power (and pledging to reverse it but not doing so) for as long as I've been following politics.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Still don't like penalties.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    Are there any plans amongst the western allies to send Boris to Saudi Arabia again? A few barrels of oil a day extra right now would be extremely useful.

    We should be pointing out the terrible food position to them at every opportunity. How can chaos in Egypt and perhaps elsewhere in the middle east be in their interest.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    HYUFD said:

    Ben Kentish
    @BenKentish
    Iain Duncan Smith sticks the boot into Rishi Sunak. Asked by
    @AndrewMarr9
    about the Chancellor’s claims that IT systems won’t let him ⬆️ benefits, IDS: “It’s not true. I don’t believe a word of it…This is what officials pass you when they think they don’t want to do something.”

    https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1526978347607244806

    ====

    Actually, I think Sunak was mainly referring to legacy welfare systems, but perhaps IDS is still correct about officials.

    IDS claimed benefits for a period when out of work and I exphas a greater understanding of those who rely on them when in personal difficulties than the ex Goldman Sachs, son in law of a billionaire Rishi
    Then married a millionaire. What's the odds that'll be the next advice?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    That is Kenneth Branagh, playing Boris in new drama This England
    Ha ha. You've a wicked sense of humour lurking when you go off message.
    Chapeau.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    HYUFD said:

    Ben Kentish
    @BenKentish
    Iain Duncan Smith sticks the boot into Rishi Sunak. Asked by
    @AndrewMarr9
    about the Chancellor’s claims that IT systems won’t let him ⬆️ benefits, IDS: “It’s not true. I don’t believe a word of it…This is what officials pass you when they think they don’t want to do something.”

    https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1526978347607244806

    ====

    Actually, I think Sunak was mainly referring to legacy welfare systems, but perhaps IDS is still correct about officials.

    IDS claimed benefits for a period when out of work and I exphas a greater understanding of those who rely on them when in personal difficulties than the ex Goldman Sachs, son in law of a billionaire Rishi
    Away with your IDS man of the people. He really isn't.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679

    Leon said:

    Rishi Sunak has been so brilliantly taken down by Team Bozza that I propose a new PB verb: “to be Sunacked” - ie, to be comprehensively and ruthlessly knocked out of a political race by your supposed party allies

    Eg “I hear that Dick Pasty, of Mebyon Kernow, is about to be Sunacked by Star E Gazeypie, for putting the cream on his scone FIRST”

    When people ask "if Johnson can't be that stupid or lazy, or he wouldn't have got to the Premiership", this is why.

    There are very very many things about BoJo that make him unsuitable. But when it comes to the gathering and deployment of raw human power, the man is a genius. Some sort of political savant, if you like.
    That's why there should be a reassessment of the real genius behind the Brexit referendum. That Dom is reduced to making incomprehensible tweets peppered with trolley icons suggests that his intellect was overstated and it was all Boris's baby.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    That is Kenneth Branagh, playing Boris in new drama This England
    Looks incredible. Can that really be Kenneth?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    Is it me or penalties have got much better the last few years? About 6 or 7 of those were incredible.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    edited May 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    That is Kenneth Branagh, playing Boris in new drama This England
    Incredible stuff. He does look pretty convincing, more so than in the brief trailer :)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586
    Before he came to power, there was a lot of talk about Boris Johnson’s weakness being his lack of friends in the party. Still his weakness, or a strength?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    We should find words other than "incredible".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    As a dog returneth to its own vomit (Proverbs 26.11) so is 45 urging Dr Oz to declare "victory" in Pennsylvania. BEFORE over 20k Republican Primary ballots (mostly postal) are processed, verified and counted. AND re-counted as per state law.

    Surprisingly consistent of him.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    edited May 2022

    Are there any plans amongst the western allies to send Boris to Saudi Arabia again? A few barrels of oil a day extra right now would be extremely useful.

    We should be pointing out the terrible food position to them at every opportunity. How can chaos in Egypt and perhaps elsewhere in the middle east be in their interest.

    According to something posted here today, OPEC are saying there's no more refinery space so it wouldn't make any difference pumping out more crude oil. I don't know what goes into building a refinery, so I don't know whether we should be asking them to build more, or building them ourselves. Better to invest in more North Sea oil if that's possible.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714

    HYUFD said:

    Ben Kentish
    @BenKentish
    Iain Duncan Smith sticks the boot into Rishi Sunak. Asked by
    @AndrewMarr9
    about the Chancellor’s claims that IT systems won’t let him ⬆️ benefits, IDS: “It’s not true. I don’t believe a word of it…This is what officials pass you when they think they don’t want to do something.”

    https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1526978347607244806

    ====

    Actually, I think Sunak was mainly referring to legacy welfare systems, but perhaps IDS is still correct about officials.

    IDS claimed benefits for a period when out of work and I exphas a greater understanding of those who rely on them when in personal difficulties than the ex Goldman Sachs, son in law of a billionaire Rishi
    Away with your IDS man of the people. He really isn't.
    IDS literally ran the benefits system for several years as minister. So either he is lying or Sunak is lying or there is a massive misunderstanding.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    dixiedean said:

    Still don't like penalties.

    Nope. If we must have them, let’s do them at full-time and then play extra time.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    As a dog returneth to its own vomit (Proverbs 26.11) so is 45 urging Dr Oz to declare "victory" in Pennsylvania. BEFORE over 20k Republican Primary ballots (mostly postal) are processed, verified and counted. AND re-counted as per state law.

    Surprisingly consistent of him.
    Belive the strategy (to extent more than glandular) is to show that it's NOT just our Secret POTUS who is wailing about having HIS "election" stolen. But even someone as warm and fuzy as Dr Oz who is a fellow US TV icon.

    Will be interesting to see to what extent Oz plays along. Particularly if the as-yet uncounted votes break for McCormick. Who was leading last night UNTIL the election-day vote started coming in. And most of the still uncounted was cast via the mail BEFORE primary day also.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    dixiedean said:

    Still don't like penalties.

    Starmer wont like the fixed variety that's for sure.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    Are there any plans amongst the western allies to send Boris to Saudi Arabia again? A few barrels of oil a day extra right now would be extremely useful.

    We should be pointing out the terrible food position to them at every opportunity. How can chaos in Egypt and perhaps elsewhere in the middle east be in their interest.

    According to something posted here today, OPEC are saying there's no more refinery space so it wouldn't make any difference pumping out more crude oil. I don't know what goes into building a refinery, so I don't know whether we should be asking them to build more, or building them ourselves. Better to invest in more North Sea oil if that's possible.
    I think RCS posted a couple of days ago, things are pretty flat out to capacity now.

    Another story is UK and EU turning tankers away that want to dock, as that side of things maxed out too.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    dixiedean said:

    Still don't like penalties.

    Starmer wont like the fixed variety that's for sure.
    Tears on his Pilau?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,650

    Are there any plans amongst the western allies to send Boris to Saudi Arabia again? A few barrels of oil a day extra right now would be extremely useful.

    We should be pointing out the terrible food position to them at every opportunity. How can chaos in Egypt and perhaps elsewhere in the middle east be in their interest.

    According to something posted here today, OPEC are saying there's no more refinery space so it wouldn't make any difference pumping out more crude oil. I don't know what goes into building a refinery, so I don't know whether we should be asking them to build more, or building them ourselves. Better to invest in more North Sea oil if that's possible.
    I think RCS posted a couple of days ago, things are pretty flat out to capacity now.

    Another story is UK and EU turning tankers away that want to dock, as that side of things maxed out too.
    Sometimes it does feel rather like we are totally screwed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    dixiedean said:

    Still don't like penalties.

    Starmer wont like the fixed variety that's for sure.
    And neither does Boris...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    carnforth said:

    Before he came to power, there was a lot of talk about Boris Johnson’s weakness being his lack of friends in the party. Still his weakness, or a strength?

    Still both.

    In the short term, it strengthens him against minor attacks. Becuase he has no real friends, he doesn't have to let loyalty hold him back from doing what it takes to cement his position.

    In the longer term, it means that his fall from grace will be spectacular. Because when the balance of pro and anti flips, there won't be much of a Praetorian Guard to protect him.

    Most premierships are made from sheet metal- they get increasingly dented as time goes on. Johnson's is made of glass- many things bounce off it, but at some unpredictable point it will shatter and leave dangerous shards everywhere.

    The unknown is when this will happen. And it could still be 10 days or 10 years.
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