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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    This is such terrible football

    Perhaps you don't go to many matches, a great number are like this in the English League.

    Football is a lot like British weather. Most of the time it is poor, but you live in hope of an unexpected glorious day.
    I’ve watched a fair number of EPL games this season. I admit that most halve involved the top 6 teams, but still

    They exhibit a different level of skill

    And UCL is equivalently superior to UEL
    Be off with your TLAs!

    First Division, European Cup and UEFA Cup.

    Mind, I have to go back to the days of the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup for the Toon's only trophy in my lifetime.

    Goodnight!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    Timothy Snyder
    @TimothyDSnyder
    ·
    22h
    It is senseless to create an "off-ramp" in the real world, when all Putin needs is one in a virtual world he completely controls. Talking of "off-ramps" just gives Russian leaders something to laugh about in what are otherwise difficult times. 8/17

    https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1526705590969544704
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083


    Timothy Snyder
    @TimothyDSnyder
    ·
    22h
    It is senseless to create an "off-ramp" in the real world, when all Putin needs is one in a virtual world he completely controls. Talking of "off-ramps" just gives Russian leaders something to laugh about in what are otherwise difficult times. 8/17

    https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1526705590969544704

    Misunderstanding Russia through clichés of "cornering" and "off-ramps" will make the war last longer, by distracting from the simple necessity of Russian defeat
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    edited May 2022
    Jonathan said:

    Are there any plans amongst the western allies to send Boris to Saudi Arabia again? A few barrels of oil a day extra right now would be extremely useful.

    We should be pointing out the terrible food position to them at every opportunity. How can chaos in Egypt and perhaps elsewhere in the middle east be in their interest.

    According to something posted here today, OPEC are saying there's no more refinery space so it wouldn't make any difference pumping out more crude oil. I don't know what goes into building a refinery, so I don't know whether we should be asking them to build more, or building them ourselves. Better to invest in more North Sea oil if that's possible.
    I think RCS posted a couple of days ago, things are pretty flat out to capacity now.

    Another story is UK and EU turning tankers away that want to dock, as that side of things maxed out too.
    Sometimes it does feel rather like we are totally screwed.
    Well, inflation was always tipped to go up quickly but drop quickly, the main fear was sticking at around 4 on the way down. If we focus too much on inflation, the bigger damage could be to growth, anti inflation measures hurting growth too much, so actually a good argument for BoE to tough it out on inflation and not raise rates much. If inflationary pressures are mostly beyond our borders, may be another good reason to keep rates low and focus on protecting growth instead.

    As Big G was posting yesterday (and I took a lot of flack for posting about 6 weeks ago) Sunak’s keeping powder dry till seeing the whites of its eyes budget don’t look so bad anymore now, does it?

    The economy will contract because of the cost of energy. You normally do a hundred, you can’t afford the energy for a hundred, you do thirty. Contraction. Stats we are seeing now is before predicted peak of costs, so more contraction on top this is built in, the remaining question, how long the coming UK recession continues for. That’s where the BoE and Treasury should pay attention and do the clever work - however it’s done, money to energy companies, tax cut for businesses, that is what is needed in coming months. CPI Inflation is a bit of a red herring. The trumpeted zero unemployment is red herring too. Economic contraction means trouble with bills because the skilled job is gone, your pay is gone, not enough products being bought. Economic contraction the bigger problem.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    This sort of thing just emphasises for me how little I know about the internal politics of other countries (even knowing about the power sharing)

    The Iran-backed Shia Muslim Hezbollah movement and its allies have lost their majority in Lebanon's parliament, results from Sunday's election show.

    The bloc's candidates won 62 of the 128 seats, three fewer than it needed.

    Hezbollah retained its own seats, but President Michel Aoun's Christian Free Patriotic Movement lost support.

    A rival Christian party with close ties to Saudi Arabia, the Lebanese Forces, made gains and independent candidates promising reforms won 13 seats.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-61463884
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    kle4 said:

    As a dog returneth to its own vomit (Proverbs 26.11) so is 45 urging Dr Oz to declare "victory" in Pennsylvania. BEFORE over 20k Republican Primary ballots (mostly postal) are processed, verified and counted. AND re-counted as per state law.

    Surprisingly consistent of him.
    Belive the strategy (to extent more than glandular) is to show that it's NOT just our Secret POTUS who is wailing about having HIS "election" stolen. But even someone as warm and fuzy as Dr Oz who is a fellow US TV icon.

    Will be interesting to see to what extent Oz plays along. Particularly if the as-yet uncounted votes break for McCormick. Who was leading last night UNTIL the election-day vote started coming in. And most of the still uncounted was cast via the mail BEFORE primary day also.
    Reportedly he’s pissed off half the party in PA.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/trump-endorsement-mastriano-pa-republicans-00033573
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    edited May 2022
    Farooq said:

    Are there any plans amongst the western allies to send Boris to Saudi Arabia again? A few barrels of oil a day extra right now would be extremely useful.

    We should be pointing out the terrible food position to them at every opportunity. How can chaos in Egypt and perhaps elsewhere in the middle east be in their interest.

    According to something posted here today, OPEC are saying there's no more refinery space so it wouldn't make any difference pumping out more crude oil. I don't know what goes into building a refinery, so I don't know whether we should be asking them to build more, or building them ourselves. Better to invest in more North Sea oil if that's possible.
    I think RCS posted a couple of days ago, things are pretty flat out to capacity now.

    Another story is UK and EU turning tankers away that want to dock, as that side of things maxed out too.
    So, wait, what? We're using as much oil as we can land with current capacity? That sounds a little surprising. Or are we saying there's a bottleneck internally that's backing all the way up to the ports? Shortage of truckers?
    It’s a load of Gas Farooq.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/15/national-grid-slashes-gas-shipments-meant-tackle-energy-crisis/

    I’m getting up at dawn and helping with sheep. Nite 😴
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    edited May 2022

    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

    It does if you direct junk food adverts! (One I did earlier)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLGlvOav6M
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Isn't the biggest danger to Johnson the no challenge for another 12 months rule?
    If they challenge and fail it has to be soon to have a secong go.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    Roger said:

    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

    It does if you direct junk food adverts! (One I did earlier)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLGlvOav6M
    Nutella isn’t junk food! It’s vitamins and minerals. It’s amazing invention.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    philiph said:

    Isn't the biggest danger to Johnson the no challenge for another 12 months rule?
    If they challenge and fail it has to be soon to have a secong go.

    That’s a good thought. 👍🏻
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,793
    dixiedean said:

    Still don't like penalties.

    No, me neither.
    My solution would be this:
    If a game is still tied after 120 minutes, the tie is awarded to the semi-finalist who lost by the least (or, in the case of Forest vs Sheffield United last night, the 7th place team in the league). You would know beforehand who the nominated winner would be if neither of the teams playing does enough to win.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432

    Roger said:

    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

    It does if you direct junk food adverts! (One I did earlier)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLGlvOav6M
    Nutella isn’t junk food! It’s vitamins and minerals. It’s amazing invention.
    Roger's job done then...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    54s
    EXC: Cops finally begin contacting crunch eyewitnesses to Sir Keir Starmer’s lockdown beer and curry sesh…
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504

    Roger said:

    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

    It does if you direct junk food adverts! (One I did earlier)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLGlvOav6M
    Nutella isn’t junk food! It’s vitamins and minerals. It’s amazing invention.
    Roger's job done then...
    Only someone with no principles or values would do real junk food adverts in this day and age… ☺️

    Anyway, i need to drag myself away, doing ears and tails tomorrow . 🥱

    Some amazing threads and conversations tonight, I’ve learnt some amazing things. Have you seen in the last thread where football tribes in Liverpool and Manchester and cities in Scotland too came from sectarian divides? The post from St Bart where after sectarian violence in Liverpool, people located to other parts of town out of the wrong neighbourhoods.

    And Magna Carta is just a myth.

    Amazing stuff.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913

    Roger said:

    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

    It does if you direct junk food adverts! (One I did earlier)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLGlvOav6M
    Nutella isn’t junk food! It’s vitamins and minerals. It’s amazing invention.
    Roger's job done then...
    Only someone with no principles or values would do real junk food adverts in this day and age… ☺️

    Anyway, i need to drag myself away, doing ears and tails tomorrow . 🥱

    Some amazing threads and conversations tonight, I’ve learnt some amazing things. Have you seen in the last thread where football tribes in Liverpool and Manchester and cities in Scotland too came from sectarian divides? The post from St Bart where after sectarian violence in Liverpool, people located to other parts of town out of the wrong neighbourhoods.

    And Magna Carta is just a myth.

    Amazing stuff.
    This junk food enough? (a man without principle!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1eY_6hBsd0
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    edited May 2022

    HYUFD said:

    Ben Kentish
    @BenKentish
    Iain Duncan Smith sticks the boot into Rishi Sunak. Asked by
    @AndrewMarr9
    about the Chancellor’s claims that IT systems won’t let him ⬆️ benefits, IDS: “It’s not true. I don’t believe a word of it…This is what officials pass you when they think they don’t want to do something.”

    https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1526978347607244806

    ====

    Actually, I think Sunak was mainly referring to legacy welfare systems, but perhaps IDS is still correct about officials.

    IDS claimed benefits for a period when out of work and I exphas a greater understanding of those who rely on them when in personal difficulties than the ex Goldman Sachs, son in law of a billionaire Rishi
    Away with your IDS man of the people. He really isn't.
    IDS literally ran the benefits system for several years as minister. So either he is lying or Sunak is lying or there is a massive misunderstanding.
    He didn’t “run” the benefits system. He was Secretary of State with a vague idea of how some things worked. They never see or care about the real detail. Now personally I am sceptical that this CAN’T be done, but I can imagine lots of complex second order effects or unknowns if it isn’t usually done.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    ping said:
    I'm a big Adam Tooze fan, but he's cherrypicked his dates to make his point *and* a large chunk of the increase in corporate profits is confined to - yes - the energy sector.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    rcs1000 said:

    ping said:
    I'm a big Adam Tooze fan, but he's cherrypicked his dates to make his point *and* a large chunk of the increase in corporate profits is confined to - yes - the energy sector.
    As the memes put it, you would have to believe that low inflation means corporations were unprofitable and saintly for an entire decade right up to 2020, and in 2021 they suddenly became profitable and evil.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660
    edited May 2022
    EPG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ping said:
    I'm a big Adam Tooze fan, but he's cherrypicked his dates to make his point *and* a large chunk of the increase in corporate profits is confined to - yes - the energy sector.
    As the memes put it, you would have to believe that low inflation means corporations were unprofitable and saintly for an entire decade right up to 2020, and in 2021 they suddenly became profitable and evil.
    You might be wrong.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/27/inflation-corporate-america-increased-prices-profits

    Its not just energy. Corporate America is more rapacious post COVID.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,504
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

    It does if you direct junk food adverts! (One I did earlier)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLGlvOav6M
    Nutella isn’t junk food! It’s vitamins and minerals. It’s amazing invention.
    Roger's job done then...
    Only someone with no principles or values would do real junk food adverts in this day and age… ☺️

    Anyway, i need to drag myself away, doing ears and tails tomorrow . 🥱

    Some amazing threads and conversations tonight, I’ve learnt some amazing things. Have you seen in the last thread where football tribes in Liverpool and Manchester and cities in Scotland too came from sectarian divides? The post from St Bart where after sectarian violence in Liverpool, people located to other parts of town out of the wrong neighbourhoods.

    And Magna Carta is just a myth.

    Amazing stuff.
    This junk food enough? (a man without principle!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1eY_6hBsd0
    So you don’t make these brilliant things, you star in them too? 🙂

    Have you had a cameo on call my agent yet?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,583

    Roger said:

    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

    It does if you direct junk food adverts! (One I did earlier)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLGlvOav6M
    Nutella isn’t junk food! It’s vitamins and minerals. It’s amazing invention.
    Nutella is evil. It is supposed to be chocolate and nuts, but contains precious little of either (15% cocoa, 13% nuts). It's mainly sugar and fat. It's hideous, foul-tasting and foul-smelling stuff.

    Needless to say, both Mrs J and the little 'un disagree with me on this... ;)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Roger said:

    i don't see how not blocking junk food adverts makes any difference to cost of living.

    It does if you direct junk food adverts! (One I did earlier)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDLGlvOav6M
    Nutella isn’t junk food! It’s vitamins and minerals. It’s amazing invention.
    It is 58% sugar and 30% palm oil, albeit reasonably ethically sourced palm oil.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2017/jan/20/is-nutella-really-that-bad-for-you
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Still don't like penalties.

    No, me neither.
    My solution would be this:
    If a game is still tied after 120 minutes, the tie is awarded to the semi-finalist who lost by the least (or, in the case of Forest vs Sheffield United last night, the 7th place team in the league). You would know beforehand who the nominated winner would be if neither of the teams playing does enough to win.
    How would that work in earlier cup rounds?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084


    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    54s
    EXC: Cops finally begin contacting crunch eyewitnesses to Sir Keir Starmer’s lockdown beer and curry sesh…

    Regarding this thread, surely THIS is the issue which could lose SKS the leadership? If he's fined he will have to stick by his public declaration.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    A new £600 million plan to fight benefit fraud and save the taxpayer £2 billion over the next three years is to be unveiled by the Government.

    The plan will involve 2,000 trained specialists reviewing two million universal credit claims over the next five years.

    DWP officers will also be bolstered with new powers, including to undertake arrests, execute warrants, conduct searches and seize evidence.

    A new civil penalty to ensure those who commit fraud face “adequate” punishment has also been proposed, along with increased powers to require banks to securely share data on a larger scale.

    ... snip ...

    The plan, which will be published in full on Thursday, also includes powers that will improve the department’s access to information from an as yet unspecified “wider range” of organisations.

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/new-600m-plan-to-fight-benefit-fraud-to-be-unveiled/298055
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,437

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    Kenneth Branagh is astonishing. If you didn't tell me that wasn't Boris I'd never have guessed it wasn't.

    "Carrie" looks nothing like Carrie - which is another reason I thought it might be Johnson, since he's no stranger to having another woman on his arm.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,437
    Leon said:

    Rishi Sunak has been so brilliantly taken down by Team Bozza that I propose a new PB verb: “to be Sunacked” - ie, to be comprehensively and ruthlessly knocked out of a political race by your supposed party allies

    Eg “I hear that Dick Pasty, of Mebyon Kernow, is about to be Sunacked by Star E Gazeypie, for putting the cream on his scone FIRST”

    I'm not sure I'd back Sunak at 50/1 now. He's still a lay.

    The economic crisis is going to get worse and he's completely incapable of rising to the challenge.

    He's much more likely to be sacked and politically friendless on the backbenches.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,437
    On topics, all the ingredients - tired & listless government and out of ideas, poor competence, hubris, and sexual scandal - are there for the Conservatives to lose the next election now, and election results bear this out.

    But, that doesn't mean Labour 'win' because few are convinced by them either.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Long read on the state of Philosophy in the U.K.:

    https://kathleenstock.substack.com/p/cocooning-philosophy
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    A new £600 million plan to fight benefit fraud and save the taxpayer £2 billion over the next three years is to be unveiled by the Government.

    The plan will involve 2,000 trained specialists reviewing two million universal credit claims over the next five years.

    DWP officers will also be bolstered with new powers, including to undertake arrests, execute warrants, conduct searches and seize evidence.

    A new civil penalty to ensure those who commit fraud face “adequate” punishment has also been proposed, along with increased powers to require banks to securely share data on a larger scale.

    ... snip ...

    The plan, which will be published in full on Thursday, also includes powers that will improve the department’s access to information from an as yet unspecified “wider range” of organisations.

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/new-600m-plan-to-fight-benefit-fraud-to-be-unveiled/298055

    Thats curious. Just last week we were told that the Civil Service was over staffed and should be cut by 20%, not that the idlers do anything other than raid the fridge anyway.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Interesting read on Bloomberg on how "levelling up" is going, including in Wakefield:

    Northern England Regions Feel Let Down by Boris Johnson’s 2019 Election Promises https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/uk-levelling-up/red-wall-constituencies-falling-behind.html?utm_medium=deeplink

    One of the great ironies of the self harm that Brexit has inflicted on Britain is that Remania has prospered while Leaverstan continues to wither. A classic example of the wrong solution.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    Tackling benefit fraud is a good idea but this data grab looks like an authoritarian wet dream, and the likely sums involved in any individual case pale into insignificance against the other frauds you mention.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Foxy said:

    Interesting read on Bloomberg on how "levelling up" is going, including in Wakefield:

    Northern England Regions Feel Let Down by Boris Johnson’s 2019 Election Promises https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/uk-levelling-up/red-wall-constituencies-falling-behind.html?utm_medium=deeplink

    One of the great ironies of the self harm that Brexit has inflicted on Britain is that Remania has prospered while Leaverstan continues to wither. A classic example of the wrong solution.

    Brexit was never the solution to the levelling-up problem. It is the other way round. Levelling-up is the attempted solution. As Dominic Cummings acknowledged (and possibly Arron Banks too) many left-behind voters were persuaded to vote for Brexit only because they thought it would bring prosperity, which would need to be delivered by other means.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Foxy said:

    Interesting read on Bloomberg on how "levelling up" is going, including in Wakefield:

    Northern England Regions Feel Let Down by Boris Johnson’s 2019 Election Promises https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/uk-levelling-up/red-wall-constituencies-falling-behind.html?utm_medium=deeplink

    One of the great ironies of the self harm that Brexit has inflicted on Britain is that Remania has prospered while Leaverstan continues to wither. A classic example of the wrong solution.

    Brexit was never the solution to the levelling-up problem. It is the other way round. Levelling-up is the attempted solution. As Dominic Cummings acknowledged (and possibly Arron Banks too) many left-behind voters were persuaded to vote for Brexit only because they thought it would bring prosperity, which would need to be delivered by other means.
    Yet the gap grows bigger...

    At best Brexit is an irrelevant distraction, at worst actively harmful, for example with cuts in regional aid.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,583
    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
  • MalcolmDunnMalcolmDunn Posts: 139
    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
    There is no way that Labour will support 2000 people trying to hound down alleged benefit fraudsters.

    This is just another example of the culture wars going on. It feeds the fools who believe it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    And yet regional payments have been cut. While quite obviously promises from Johnson are not worth listening to. This from Wales for example:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-regions-gove-levelling-up-b2057549.html
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,583
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
    There is no way that Labour will support 2000 people trying to hound down alleged benefit fraudsters.

    (Snip)
    You bet?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
    There is no way that Labour will support 2000 people trying to hound down alleged benefit fraudsters.

    This is just another example of the culture wars going on. It feeds the fools who believe it.
    Hard to argue against, though, without sounding like you support benefit fraud.

    Doesn't change the observations that:
    1 The worst abuses in the benefits system probably come from manipulation of housing benefits.

    2 Way more money is lost to HMG by underpayment of tax.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,583

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
    There is no way that Labour will support 2000 people trying to hound down alleged benefit fraudsters.

    (Snip)
    You bet?
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/labour-joins-crackdown-on-benefits-fraud-1595399.html
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/farewell-to-welfare-as-blair-orders-britain-to-work-1152423.html
    https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/labour-overhaul-benefit-fraud-ads/153918
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1077530.stm

    etc, etc.

    I believe cracking down on housing benefit fraud was even in Blair's 1997 manifesto.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    Tackling benefit fraud is a good idea but this data grab looks like an authoritarian wet dream, and the likely sums involved in any individual case pale into insignificance against the other frauds you mention.
    It will be a venture where the financial cost outweighs the financial benefit. Nonetheless hard working RedWallers hate a benefit "scrounger", so it is valuable window dressing.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Sadly there will always be people who abuse the system and, yes, they do need to be weeded out. But focusing on this right now is back to the Nasty Party, throwing meat to the red wall again. I expect the Daily Mail will now run a series of benefit fraud stories on its front pages.
    The problem, as alluded to below, is that there are very vulnerable people on benefits and I'm PROUD of this country for supporting them. The last thing they need is the added anxiety of thinking some git in an Audi is about to turn up in their driveway and begin aggressively knocking on their door. It's gross.

    The real fraud in this country is being committed at company level. The BBL situation was a scandal, as have been various PPE and other cronyism contracts.

    Meanwhile companies like Shell are completely taking the mickey. The tax avoidance going on is shocking.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    Tackling benefit fraud is a good idea but this data grab looks like an authoritarian wet dream, and the likely sums involved in any individual case pale into insignificance against the other frauds you mention.
    It will be a venture where the financial cost outweighs the financial benefit. Nonetheless hard working RedWallers hate a benefit "scrounger", so it is valuable window dressing.
    It is not the financial cost that worries me so much as the loss of privacy. It sounds like a big data grab that will be used for fishing trips. The DWP can already get the bank data of those it is investigating. This proposal (details to be announced) is to grab everyone's data and then trawl through it on the off chance something will turn up.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
    There is no way that Labour will support 2000 people trying to hound down alleged benefit fraudsters.

    This is just another example of the culture wars going on. It feeds the fools who believe it.
    If Labour came into power threatening to cut *any* useless dead wood from the CS it would cost them a large chunk of their loyal client vote.

    What they might offer to do is 'redeploy' them but all that does is move the dead wood elsewhere.

    Once administrators have been hired it's very, very difficult to get rid of them and Labour won't even try.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    A new £600 million plan to fight benefit fraud and save the taxpayer £2 billion over the next three years is to be unveiled by the Government.

    The plan will involve 2,000 trained specialists reviewing two million universal credit claims over the next five years.

    DWP officers will also be bolstered with new powers, including to undertake arrests, execute warrants, conduct searches and seize evidence.

    A new civil penalty to ensure those who commit fraud face “adequate” punishment has also been proposed, along with increased powers to require banks to securely share data on a larger scale.

    ... snip ...

    The plan, which will be published in full on Thursday, also includes powers that will improve the department’s access to information from an as yet unspecified “wider range” of organisations.

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/new-600m-plan-to-fight-benefit-fraud-to-be-unveiled/298055

    It's Snooper Squad! Let's hope there aren't "spending implications".


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    Foxy said:

    Interesting read on Bloomberg on how "levelling up" is going, including in Wakefield:

    Northern England Regions Feel Let Down by Boris Johnson’s 2019 Election Promises https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/uk-levelling-up/red-wall-constituencies-falling-behind.html?utm_medium=deeplink

    One of the great ironies of the self harm that Brexit has inflicted on Britain is that Remania has prospered while Leaverstan continues to wither. A classic example of the wrong solution.

    Brexit was never the solution to the levelling-up problem. It is the other way round. Levelling-up is the attempted solution. As Dominic Cummings acknowledged (and possibly Arron Banks too) many left-behind voters were persuaded to vote for Brexit only because they thought it would bring prosperity, which would need to be delivered by other means.
    Brexit makes it harder to level up because it makes the economy smaller, meaning that levelling up some areas involves making other areas poorer. Tories used to know that it's easier to divide the pie more fairly if the pie is getting bigger, but in their culture wars iteration they have become all about zero sum games. Although actually they aren't even doing any levelling up, so who knows what they believe. What a farce.
    Surely all of us know that? It's getting and keeping power.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Heathener said:

    Sadly there will always be people who abuse the system and, yes, they do need to be weeded out. But focusing on this right now is back to the Nasty Party, throwing meat to the red wall again. I expect the Daily Mail will now run a series of benefit fraud stories on its front pages.
    The problem, as alluded to below, is that there are very vulnerable people on benefits and I'm PROUD of this country for supporting them. The last thing they need is the added anxiety of thinking some git in an Audi is about to turn up in their driveway and begin aggressively knocking on their door. It's gross.

    The real fraud in this country is being committed at company level. The BBL situation was a scandal, as have been various PPE and other cronyism contracts.

    Meanwhile companies like Shell are completely taking the mickey. The tax avoidance going on is shocking.

    PB pedantry: whether something was "alluded to below" or above depends on which way comments are sorted — newest first or oldest first — and that is different for the main site and the Vanilla site. "Alluded to earlier" is better, although of course unless you can see the future and have won the last seventeen lotteries, we know that is what you meant.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    edited May 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
    There is no way that Labour will support 2000 people trying to hound down alleged benefit fraudsters.

    This is just another example of the culture wars going on. It feeds the fools who believe it.
    If Labour came into power threatening to cut *any* useless dead wood from the CS it would cost them a large chunk of their loyal client vote.

    What they might offer to do is 'redeploy' them but all that does is move the dead wood elsewhere.

    Once administrators have been hired it's very, very difficult to get rid of them and Labour won't even try.
    The problem is not civil service dead wood; it is the loss of privacy and Labour (especially New Labour) is as fond of Big Brother as the next Tory. Remember giving councils anti-terrorist powers to spy on irresponsible dog owners?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    ydoethur said:

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
    There is no way that Labour will support 2000 people trying to hound down alleged benefit fraudsters.

    This is just another example of the culture wars going on. It feeds the fools who believe it.
    If Labour came into power threatening to cut *any* useless dead wood from the CS it would cost them a large chunk of their loyal client vote.

    What they might offer to do is 'redeploy' them but all that does is move the dead wood elsewhere.

    Once administrators have been hired it's very, very difficult to get rid of them and Labour won't even try.
    The problem is not civil service dead wood; it is the loss of privacy and Labour (especially New Labour) is as fond of Big Brother as the next Tory. Remember giving councils anti-terrorist powers to spy on irresponsible dog owners?
    That's another problem, but there is very definitely a problem with civil service dead wood.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,437
    Heathener said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    Kenneth Branagh is astonishing. If you didn't tell me that wasn't Boris I'd never have guessed it wasn't.

    Kenneth is indeed astonishing. A brilliant and versatile actor and his facial expression here is ace. However, I think it fair to point out that most of this resemblance has less to do with Kenneth Branagh and more to do with the makeup department.

    I suppose it's very Boris though to claim credit for something he didn't do.
    It's not just his facial expression. It's his posture, his voice, his frame, his walk - he is a superb character actor.

    And it's not just for Boris that he's done this. He's done it in multiple roles - like Shackleton, Tim Collins in 10 days to war, and Hamlet. If you see KB on the cast list always go and see it.

    The only one for which it didn't work was Poirot, which is weird because he's a fictional character, but he disappeared up his own obsession and gave him a ludicrous moustache.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,437
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy



    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    I look forward to Labour's first move in government being the sacking of the 2,000 people doing their 'evil' work.

    (Hint: they won't.)
    There is no way that Labour will support 2000 people trying to hound down alleged benefit fraudsters.

    This is just another example of the culture wars going on. It feeds the fools who believe it.
    And comments like that explain why people are so reluctant to switch to backing Labour again.

    They suspect that if re-elected they will just get up to their old tricks again, and pursue their own obsessions.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Heathener said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    Pure evil from the Nasty Party

    And all the while the big multi-nationals make billions of pounds of profit on which they pay little or no tax. And Sunak and Chums throw away billions on corrupt PPE deals and fraudulent bounce back loans.
    Tackling benefit fraud is a good idea but this data grab looks like an authoritarian wet dream, and the likely sums involved in any individual case pale into insignificance against the other frauds you mention.
    It will be a venture where the financial cost outweighs the financial benefit. Nonetheless hard working RedWallers hate a benefit "scrounger", so it is valuable window dressing.
    It is not the financial cost that worries me so much as the loss of privacy. It sounds like a big data grab that will be used for fishing trips. The DWP can already get the bank data of those it is investigating. This proposal (details to be announced) is to grab everyone's data and then trawl through it on the off chance something will turn up.
    A fair point. On a daily basis this Government rolls out a project which offends my Centrist sensibilities. The client base (the Daily Mail and the Sun's Harry Cole) love it. So what do I know?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,437

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The argument basically comes down to the fact that it structurally locked in UK taxpayer funding for Britain's regions because Westminster wouldn't have spent it on the same. Indeed, we know that's true: democratic pressure will always be far greater to spend it on the NHS instead.

    Of course, the real solution to this should be to lobby Westminster to fund regional development properly with a ringfenced budget of £10bn+ per year (and not £1-2bn) but MPs seem more interested in international aid rather than domestic aid.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,320

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    So now the Tories give it to their chums instead
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    Dura_Ace said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    A new £600 million plan to fight benefit fraud and save the taxpayer £2 billion over the next three years is to be unveiled by the Government.

    The plan will involve 2,000 trained specialists reviewing two million universal credit claims over the next five years.

    DWP officers will also be bolstered with new powers, including to undertake arrests, execute warrants, conduct searches and seize evidence.

    A new civil penalty to ensure those who commit fraud face “adequate” punishment has also been proposed, along with increased powers to require banks to securely share data on a larger scale.

    ... snip ...

    The plan, which will be published in full on Thursday, also includes powers that will improve the department’s access to information from an as yet unspecified “wider range” of organisations.

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/new-600m-plan-to-fight-benefit-fraud-to-be-unveiled/298055

    It's Snooper Squad! Let's hope there aren't "spending implications".


    Good morning everyone.

    Would it not be more cost-effective to beef up HMRC's Fraud Squads? After all tax evasion costs us all far more than Benefit Fraud.

    Ot am I being hopelessly naive?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    edited May 2022

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The argument basically comes down to the fact that it structurally locked in UK taxpayer funding for Britain's regions because Westminster wouldn't have spent it on the same. Indeed, we know that's true: democratic pressure will always be far greater to spend it on the NHS instead.

    Of course, the real solution to this should be to lobby Westminster to fund regional development properly with a ringfenced budget of £10bn+ per year (and not £1-2bn) but MPs seem more interested in international aid rather than domestic aid.
    International aid is - in many cases - really just contracts for UK firms.

    Edit to add: of course, we're nowhere near as guilty of this at as the French. For them, pretty much every Euro comes back as an export order for Thales or Alstom.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,583
    Heathener said:

    Sadly there will always be people who abuse the system and, yes, they do need to be weeded out. But focusing on this right now is back to the Nasty Party, throwing meat to the red wall again. I expect the Daily Mail will now run a series of benefit fraud stories on its front pages.
    The problem, as alluded to below, is that there are very vulnerable people on benefits and I'm PROUD of this country for supporting them. The last thing they need is the added anxiety of thinking some git in an Audi is about to turn up in their driveway and begin aggressively knocking on their door. It's gross.

    The real fraud in this country is being committed at company level. The BBL situation was a scandal, as have been various PPE and other cronyism contracts.

    Meanwhile companies like Shell are completely taking the mickey. The tax avoidance going on is shocking.

    As ever, this is a massively complex issue as it involved individuals. 'Fraud', when it occurs, can be accidental (someone not understanding the system), drifting (*) (when someone's circumstances change but they still claim benefits), or deliberate (out-and-out fraud). With a vast range in between and overlaps.

    I'd also argue that there's a massive problem (not from the state's perspective) with people *not* claiming benefits they are entitled to and which would help them. Either through not understanding the system, laziness, ineptitude or embarrassment. People not claiming is good for the state, obviously, at least in the short term, but bad for the individuals.

    It all comes down to the purpose of the benefits system. Is it more than a welfare safety net? Should it be?

    (*) I cannot think of a better word
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Heathener said:


    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    54s
    EXC: Cops finally begin contacting crunch eyewitnesses to Sir Keir Starmer’s lockdown beer and curry sesh…

    Regarding this thread, surely THIS is the issue which could lose SKS the leadership? If he's fined he will have to stick by his public declaration.
    It's just lying client journalists lying to boost their stories. I wouldn't wrap my chips in the Heil or the Sun.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    dixiedean said:

    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.

    Why does that impress you...to my mind kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world. You know stabby guy is going to do it again and next time may well kill someone.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    Dura_Ace said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    A new £600 million plan to fight benefit fraud and save the taxpayer £2 billion over the next three years is to be unveiled by the Government.

    The plan will involve 2,000 trained specialists reviewing two million universal credit claims over the next five years.

    DWP officers will also be bolstered with new powers, including to undertake arrests, execute warrants, conduct searches and seize evidence.

    A new civil penalty to ensure those who commit fraud face “adequate” punishment has also been proposed, along with increased powers to require banks to securely share data on a larger scale.

    ... snip ...

    The plan, which will be published in full on Thursday, also includes powers that will improve the department’s access to information from an as yet unspecified “wider range” of organisations.

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/new-600m-plan-to-fight-benefit-fraud-to-be-unveiled/298055

    It's Snooper Squad! Let's hope there aren't "spending implications".


    Good morning everyone.

    Would it not be more cost-effective to beef up HMRC's Fraud Squads? After all tax evasion costs us all far more than Benefit Fraud.

    Ot am I being hopelessly naive?
    Lord Agnew resigned from the government over its reluctance to investigate Covid loan fraud.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60117513

    The National Audit Office criticised the government for not preventing Covid loan fraud.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59504943
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Heathener said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    Kenneth Branagh is astonishing. If you didn't tell me that wasn't Boris I'd never have guessed it wasn't.

    Kenneth is indeed astonishing. A brilliant and versatile actor and his facial expression here is ace. However, I think it fair to point out that most of this resemblance has less to do with Kenneth Branagh and more to do with the makeup department.

    I suppose it's very Boris though to claim credit for something he didn't do.
    It's not just his facial expression. It's his posture, his voice, his frame, his walk - he is a superb character actor.

    And it's not just for Boris that he's done this. He's done it in multiple roles - like Shackleton, Tim Collins in 10 days to war, and Hamlet. If you see KB on the cast list always go and see it.

    The only one for which it didn't work was Poirot, which is weird because he's a fictional character, but he disappeared up his own obsession and gave him a ludicrous moustache.
    With Poirot possibly an issue was the sheer definitive nature of David Suchets performance, leading to too much of a reinterpretation. Must not be Suchet.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The argument basically comes down to the fact that it structurally locked in UK taxpayer funding for Britain's regions because Westminster wouldn't have spent it on the same. Indeed, we know that's true: democratic pressure will always be far greater to spend it on the NHS instead.

    Of course, the real solution to this should be to lobby Westminster to fund regional development properly with a ringfenced budget of £10bn+ per year (and not £1-2bn) but MPs seem more interested in international aid rather than domestic aid.
    International aid is - in many cases - really just contracts for UK firms.
    Yes, although we are not quite as cynical about this as the French and Americans. As for China...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    edited May 2022

    Dura_Ace said:

    DWP to recruit more civil servants, give itself power of arrest, and wave goodbye to privacy

    A new £600 million plan to fight benefit fraud and save the taxpayer £2 billion over the next three years is to be unveiled by the Government.

    The plan will involve 2,000 trained specialists reviewing two million universal credit claims over the next five years.

    DWP officers will also be bolstered with new powers, including to undertake arrests, execute warrants, conduct searches and seize evidence.

    A new civil penalty to ensure those who commit fraud face “adequate” punishment has also been proposed, along with increased powers to require banks to securely share data on a larger scale.

    ... snip ...

    The plan, which will be published in full on Thursday, also includes powers that will improve the department’s access to information from an as yet unspecified “wider range” of organisations.

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/new-600m-plan-to-fight-benefit-fraud-to-be-unveiled/298055

    It's Snooper Squad! Let's hope there aren't "spending implications".


    Good morning everyone.

    Would it not be more cost-effective to beef up HMRC's Fraud Squads? After all tax evasion costs us all far more than Benefit Fraud.

    Ot am I being hopelessly naive?
    Lord Agnew resigned from the government over its reluctance to investigate Covid loan fraud.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60117513

    The National Audit Office criticised the government for not preventing Covid loan fraud.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59504943
    Maybe Labour should put such an investigation into it's manifesto. Especially in view of the BMA's comments on BBC this morning!

    Edit. Sorry 'bout that Carpal Tunnel in Right is better, but not much!
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    I'm sorry to get all technical, but there were hundreds of different types of EU "aid", and only some of them involved a requirement for matching funding from Central government. (And, of course - and this used to make me gag - you could usually get the requirement for matching removed if you were prepared to plaster your project with posters with the EU flag on.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.

    Why does that impress you...to my mind kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world. You know stabby guy is going to do it again and next time may well kill someone.
    Fuck it: why bother with courts or justice, you just get your boot in.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.

    Why does that impress you...to my mind kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world. You know stabby guy is going to do it again and next time may well kill someone.
    Fuck it: why bother with courts or justice, you just get your boot in.
    The guy was trying to stab him in this case. I have no problem if he defends himself and an idiot happens to end up bleeding out. Its not like he was not guilty
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,437

    Heathener said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    Kenneth Branagh is astonishing. If you didn't tell me that wasn't Boris I'd never have guessed it wasn't.

    Kenneth is indeed astonishing. A brilliant and versatile actor and his facial expression here is ace. However, I think it fair to point out that most of this resemblance has less to do with Kenneth Branagh and more to do with the makeup department.

    I suppose it's very Boris though to claim credit for something he didn't do.
    It's not just his facial expression. It's his posture, his voice, his frame, his walk - he is a superb character actor.

    And it's not just for Boris that he's done this. He's done it in multiple roles - like Shackleton, Tim Collins in 10 days to war, and Hamlet. If you see KB on the cast list always go and see it.

    The only one for which it didn't work was Poirot, which is weird because he's a fictional character, but he disappeared up his own obsession and gave him a ludicrous moustache.
    With Poirot possibly an issue was the sheer definitive nature of David Suchets performance, leading to too much of a reinterpretation. Must not be Suchet.
    There is no point for anyone on earth to ever try playing Poirot again.

    Suchet totally mastered it. He was and is Poirot.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.

    Why does that impress you...to my mind kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world. You know stabby guy is going to do it again and next time may well kill someone.
    Fuck it: why bother with courts or justice, you just get your boot in.
    The guy was trying to stab him in this case. I have no problem if he defends himself and an idiot happens to end up bleeding out. Its not like he was not guilty
    Also if it had gone to court stabby guy assuming he would even get a custodial sentence would be out in a year or two and will continue as he is till he kills someone.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,653
    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.

    Why does that impress you...to my mind kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world. You know stabby guy is going to do it again and next time may well kill someone.
    Ffs, this reminds me of the PB reaction to the Will Smith punch.

    Because the guy would only need to get one stab in to kill you or permanently disable you, traumatising your girlfriend and friends as they attempt to stop the bleeding.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    I'm sorry to get all technical, but there were hundreds of different types of EU "aid", and only some of them involved a requirement for matching funding from Central government. (And, of course - and this used to make me gag - you could usually get the requirement for matching removed if you were prepared to plaster your project with posters with the EU flag on.)
    Even if funding didnt get matched doesnt change a lot of the projects did little to benefit locals. now if they had paid to extend the m5 past plymouth that would have been a plus. Instead they gave us the eden project which made and continues to make a lot of money little of which benefits cornwall as most of the construction money went elsewhere as does most of the profit it makes
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,653
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    I'm sorry to get all technical, but there were hundreds of different types of EU "aid", and only some of them involved a requirement for matching funding from Central government. (And, of course - and this used to make me gag - you could usually get the requirement for matching removed if you were prepared to plaster your project with posters with the EU flag on.)
    This is why much of the Highlands is plastered with huge "funded by the EU" signs. Was a bit annoying given the UK was a net contributor.

    I don't really know why UK Gov doesn't do the same for everything else in Scotland, given the fiscal transfer. Should've done the Queensferry crossing, the A9 dualling, the A96, CalMac...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,320
    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    I'm sorry to get all technical, but there were hundreds of different types of EU "aid", and only some of them involved a requirement for matching funding from Central government. (And, of course - and this used to make me gag - you could usually get the requirement for matching removed if you were prepared to plaster your project with posters with the EU flag on.)
    This is why much of the Highlands is plastered with huge "funded by the EU" signs. Was a bit annoying given the UK was a net contributor.

    I don't really know why UK Gov doesn't do the same for everything else in Scotland, given the fiscal transfer. Should've done the Queensferry crossing, the A9 dualling, the A96, CalMac...
    Not as big a contributor as Scotland is to the UK and gets next to F all back for it
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    This story passed me by last autumn:

    https://order-order.com/2022/05/18/labour-frontbencher-stephen-doughty-re-investigated-over-illegal-drug-use/

    Sounds like blatant police corruption.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.

    Why does that impress you...to my mind kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world. You know stabby guy is going to do it again and next time may well kill someone.
    Fuck it: why bother with courts or justice, you just get your boot in.
    The guy was trying to stab him in this case. I have no problem if he defends himself and an idiot happens to end up bleeding out. Its not like he was not guilty
    That's not what you said.

    If someone is attacked and defends themselves, then one should have a very wide degree of latitude. But that's not what you said.

    You specifically said "kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world". You argued for killing the guy, whether it was needed to defend oneself or not.

    Don't try and weasel word your way out of your original statement.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    I'm sorry to get all technical, but there were hundreds of different types of EU "aid", and only some of them involved a requirement for matching funding from Central government. (And, of course - and this used to make me gag - you could usually get the requirement for matching removed if you were prepared to plaster your project with posters with the EU flag on.)
    Even if funding didnt get matched doesnt change a lot of the projects did little to benefit locals. now if they had paid to extend the m5 past plymouth that would have been a plus. Instead they gave us the eden project which made and continues to make a lot of money little of which benefits cornwall as most of the construction money went elsewhere as does most of the profit it makes
    You've got a bit of a thing about the Eden Project, haven't you!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Heathener said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    Kenneth Branagh is astonishing. If you didn't tell me that wasn't Boris I'd never have guessed it wasn't.

    Kenneth is indeed astonishing. A brilliant and versatile actor and his facial expression here is ace. However, I think it fair to point out that most of this resemblance has less to do with Kenneth Branagh and more to do with the makeup department.

    I suppose it's very Boris though to claim credit for something he didn't do.
    It's not just his facial expression. It's his posture, his voice, his frame, his walk - he is a superb character actor.

    And it's not just for Boris that he's done this. He's done it in multiple roles - like Shackleton, Tim Collins in 10 days to war, and Hamlet. If you see KB on the cast list always go and see it.

    The only one for which it didn't work was Poirot, which is weird because he's a fictional character, but he disappeared up his own obsession and gave him a ludicrous moustache.
    With Poirot possibly an issue was the sheer definitive nature of David Suchets performance, leading to too much of a reinterpretation. Must not be Suchet.
    There is no point for anyone on earth to ever try playing Poirot again.

    Suchet totally mastered it. He was and is Poirot.
    I love the Suchet Poirot, but the first Branagh Poirot was decent.

    The second, on the other hand, was turgid.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    I'm sorry to get all technical, but there were hundreds of different types of EU "aid", and only some of them involved a requirement for matching funding from Central government. (And, of course - and this used to make me gag - you could usually get the requirement for matching removed if you were prepared to plaster your project with posters with the EU flag on.)
    Even if funding didnt get matched doesnt change a lot of the projects did little to benefit locals. now if they had paid to extend the m5 past plymouth that would have been a plus. Instead they gave us the eden project which made and continues to make a lot of money little of which benefits cornwall as most of the construction money went elsewhere as does most of the profit it makes
    You've got a bit of a thing about the Eden Project, haven't you!
    It is a bit of a fraud. Not been for years but it used to have A hundred acres of gift shop selling plastic tat and it used to have a skating rink - great for me, I used to take my little uns, but surely the most profligate first world fuck you fossil energy application on the planet.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I see the 5th circuit has just abolished federal government in the USA. A bold move.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,653
    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    I'm sorry to get all technical, but there were hundreds of different types of EU "aid", and only some of them involved a requirement for matching funding from Central government. (And, of course - and this used to make me gag - you could usually get the requirement for matching removed if you were prepared to plaster your project with posters with the EU flag on.)
    This is why much of the Highlands is plastered with huge "funded by the EU" signs. Was a bit annoying given the UK was a net contributor.

    I don't really know why UK Gov doesn't do the same for everything else in Scotland, given the fiscal transfer. Should've done the Queensferry crossing, the A9 dualling, the A96, CalMac...
    Not as big a contributor as Scotland is to the UK and gets next to F all back for it
    Hmm, when a lot of the Highland roads were upgraded from single track, maybe Scotland was a net contributor?

    Always thought it was a bit mad that Scotland went for independence just as the oil ran out, and the balance inverted. Wait for wind!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Heathener said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    Kenneth Branagh is astonishing. If you didn't tell me that wasn't Boris I'd never have guessed it wasn't.

    Kenneth is indeed astonishing. A brilliant and versatile actor and his facial expression here is ace. However, I think it fair to point out that most of this resemblance has less to do with Kenneth Branagh and more to do with the makeup department.

    I suppose it's very Boris though to claim credit for something he didn't do.
    It's not just his facial expression. It's his posture, his voice, his frame, his walk - he is a superb character actor.

    And it's not just for Boris that he's done this. He's done it in multiple roles - like Shackleton, Tim Collins in 10 days to war, and Hamlet. If you see KB on the cast list always go and see it.

    The only one for which it didn't work was Poirot, which is weird because he's a fictional character, but he disappeared up his own obsession and gave him a ludicrous moustache.
    With Poirot possibly an issue was the sheer definitive nature of David Suchets performance, leading to too much of a reinterpretation. Must not be Suchet.
    Also leads to the issue of why bother? Suchet's performance across so many years, up to and including his character's death, is just unsurpassable. It will need a couple of decades before it is worth anyone else trying to interpret it. (Plus the supporting cast in the Poirot series comprised the finest actors of the time. )

    And I say that as someone who is massively impressed by Ken Branagh. His Renaissance Shakespeare at the Birmingham Rep in the late 80s showcased a remarkable talent. I've never seen anyone own the stage like he did.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    tlg86 said:

    This story passed me by last autumn:

    https://order-order.com/2022/05/18/labour-frontbencher-stephen-doughty-re-investigated-over-illegal-drug-use/

    Sounds like blatant police corruption.

    Yes, or at least prima facie grounds for reinvestigation. And good of Guido to share the normally-paywalled Times report for free. Who pays for that?

    It is possible I might have a few time-expired valium tablets lying around. Maybe I should send them to the House of Commons for distribution to nervous MPs. Does anyone take valium for nefarious purposes or is Doughty just a damn fool for not asking his GP for a prescription?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    Quite right. People voted for less money. Fewer roads. A reduction in jobs.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,241
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.

    Why does that impress you...to my mind kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world. You know stabby guy is going to do it again and next time may well kill someone.
    Fuck it: why bother with courts or justice, you just get your boot in.
    The guy was trying to stab him in this case. I have no problem if he defends himself and an idiot happens to end up bleeding out. Its not like he was not guilty
    That's not what you said.

    If someone is attacked and defends themselves, then one should have a very wide degree of latitude. But that's not what you said.

    You specifically said "kick the fucker into the middle of next week and one less idiot in the world". You argued for killing the guy, whether it was needed to defend oneself or not.

    Don't try and weasel word your way out of your original statement.
    Generally speaking, to defend yourself against someone with a knife, you need to render them incapable of using it. Which means enough force to kill.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    dixiedean said:

    Reflecting on the almost stabbing earlier.
    Was really impressed with potential stabee. When the girlfriend got between them and gave him the space to get up, he could have done some serious damage. He was eight inches taller, about six stone heavier, twice as fit and 100 times more sober.
    But he didn't. Just kept repeating. "It wasn't me. I didn't do that. You've got the wrong blerk mate. Go home before you regret it."
    Even as stabby bloke threatened him, his family and his mates.
    Not sure I could have been that cool in the circumstances.

    Yes, that is impressive. Attempting to halt the cycle of violence in an overheated situation shows real character. Quite what happens next is the unknown.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Twitter is full of libellous comments at the moment regarding a certain topic. The company doesn't seem to give a damn about the laws of any country apart from the US.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    tlg86 said:

    This story passed me by last autumn:

    https://order-order.com/2022/05/18/labour-frontbencher-stephen-doughty-re-investigated-over-illegal-drug-use/

    Sounds like blatant police corruption.

    BigG. posted that yesterday. I think the rule for PB Tories is this: The guiltier the Opposition the less guilty Boris Johnson.

    As I said last night. The BBC's hope of a two year sentence rather than a caution if guilty is ambitious. I also said a cover up would be worse than the offence. BigG. assured me Alun Michael is a decent operator.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    tlg86 said:

    This story passed me by last autumn:

    https://order-order.com/2022/05/18/labour-frontbencher-stephen-doughty-re-investigated-over-illegal-drug-use/

    Sounds like blatant police corruption.

    Yes, or at least prima facie grounds for reinvestigation. And good of Guido to share the normally-paywalled Times report for free. Who pays for that?

    It is possible I might have a few time-expired valium tablets lying around. Maybe I should send them to the House of Commons for distribution to nervous MPs. Does anyone take valium for nefarious purposes or is Doughty just a damn fool for not asking his GP for a prescription?
    Benzos like valium are widely used as 'street drugs'. Massive issue.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy as Britain was a net payer into EU funds regional aid as you put it was simply the EU giving Britain some of the funds it had already paid them back

    The Good News is that now we have left the EU we have largely stopped this kind of communism. Instead of the inefficiency of paying money to Brussels who then distribute it to the areas we left poor, we simply don't pay the money to Brussels, and don't pay it to the regions either.

    Huzzah!
    So much you neglect to mention such as those eu funds had to be matched like for like and were generally spent on shite no one in the regions wanted or benefitted that much from...take cornwal where I come from....we got the eden project....a lot of money went to london architects, german manufacturers...what did cornish people actually get a few min wage jobs and even more traffic chaos.
    I'm sorry to get all technical, but there were hundreds of different types of EU "aid", and only some of them involved a requirement for matching funding from Central government. (And, of course - and this used to make me gag - you could usually get the requirement for matching removed if you were prepared to plaster your project with posters with the EU flag on.)
    Even if funding didnt get matched doesnt change a lot of the projects did little to benefit locals. now if they had paid to extend the m5 past plymouth that would have been a plus. Instead they gave us the eden project which made and continues to make a lot of money little of which benefits cornwall as most of the construction money went elsewhere as does most of the profit it makes
    Surely a massive tourist draw though? It may have cost a lot, but if I remember correctly they had a lot of china clay pits to deal with anyway, which would have cost money. Tourist development does improve the local economy alot.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    tlg86 said:

    This story passed me by last autumn:

    https://order-order.com/2022/05/18/labour-frontbencher-stephen-doughty-re-investigated-over-illegal-drug-use/

    Sounds like blatant police corruption.

    Yes, or at least prima facie grounds for reinvestigation. And good of Guido to share the normally-paywalled Times report for free. Who pays for that?

    It is possible I might have a few time-expired valium tablets lying around. Maybe I should send them to the House of Commons for distribution to nervous MPs. Does anyone take valium for nefarious purposes or is Doughty just a damn fool for not asking his GP for a prescription?
    Yes, it is a fairly common drug of abuse, particularly used by alcoholics.

    Many prescription drugs are abused by re-sale, and that is a big factor in the US opiod crisis. The scale of abuse of steroids in the UK is quite something too, with perhaps a million users.



  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,437
    rcs1000 said:

    Heathener said:

    Meanwhile, Boris and NutNut don’t look themselves on the Metro 🫣

    image

    Kenneth Branagh is astonishing. If you didn't tell me that wasn't Boris I'd never have guessed it wasn't.

    Kenneth is indeed astonishing. A brilliant and versatile actor and his facial expression here is ace. However, I think it fair to point out that most of this resemblance has less to do with Kenneth Branagh and more to do with the makeup department.

    I suppose it's very Boris though to claim credit for something he didn't do.
    It's not just his facial expression. It's his posture, his voice, his frame, his walk - he is a superb character actor.

    And it's not just for Boris that he's done this. He's done it in multiple roles - like Shackleton, Tim Collins in 10 days to war, and Hamlet. If you see KB on the cast list always go and see it.

    The only one for which it didn't work was Poirot, which is weird because he's a fictional character, but he disappeared up his own obsession and gave him a ludicrous moustache.
    With Poirot possibly an issue was the sheer definitive nature of David Suchets performance, leading to too much of a reinterpretation. Must not be Suchet.
    There is no point for anyone on earth to ever try playing Poirot again.

    Suchet totally mastered it. He was and is Poirot.
    I love the Suchet Poirot, but the first Branagh Poirot was decent.

    The second, on the other hand, was turgid.
    I cringed through the first one and still haven't watched the second.
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