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  • Xtrain
    Xtrain Posts: 341
    Lithuania still my favourite.
    Australia was abysmal!
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    biggles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I wonder if Ryder will get the alien believers on board?

    And the aliens themselves.
    "....and now the votes from the Alpha Centauri jury....there might be lag on the line of a few light years...."
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    DavidL said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I wonder if Ryder will get the alien believers on board?

    Do aliens get to vote?
    Some perform.
  • Xtrain
    Xtrain Posts: 341
    I'm a space fan but Ryder was underwhelming.
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    MarqueeMark said:

    biggles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I wonder if Ryder will get the alien believers on board?

    And the aliens themselves.
    "....and now the votes from the Alpha Centauri jury....there might be lag on the line of a few light years...."
    Or oblivion as we burst into flames courtesy of the Death Star after they saw Australia……
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,171
    Xtrain said:

    Lithuania still my favourite.
    Australia was abysmal!

    Yes, worth a punt for last place, along with Serbia and Azerberjan
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Pulpstar said:

    So many of these songs disappearing up their own arseholes. Australia the worst so far I think
    I'm voting for Moldova so far

    Best reception in the arena, for what that’s worth.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Moldova and our entry are the best so far. The French one was good too.
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    Estonia. The best saved til last.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Estonia closes out the "singing" part of the contest!

    Now for the voting...
  • Xtrain
    Xtrain Posts: 341
    He was quite good. Estonia.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    So is this where we get to interesting part of the evening with all those silly musical intermissions out of the road?
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    MaxPB said:

    Moldova and our entry are the best so far. The French one was good too.

    Nah, Norway!
  • Daveyboy1961
    Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,726
    MarqueeMark said:

    biggles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I wonder if Ryder will get the alien believers on board?

    And the aliens themselves.
    "....and now the votes from the Alpha Centauri jury....there might be lag on the line of a few light years...."

    Nerd Alert

    A light year is a measure of distance not time
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    MaxPB said:

    Moldova and our entry are the best so far. The French one was good too.

    We liked Portugal

    And the banana wolves
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Switzerland and Australia the worst. If we lose to either of them it's time to call it, this year our entry is actually really good.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    biggles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    I wonder if Ryder will get the alien believers on board?

    And the aliens themselves.
    "....and now the votes from the Alpha Centauri jury....there might be lag on the line of a few light years...."

    Nerd Alert

    A light year is a measure of distance not time
    Oh c'mon, you expect Eurovision hosts to know that?
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    DavidL said:

    So is this where we get to interesting part of the evening with all those silly musical intermissions out of the road?

    Yes. Definitely the best bit.
  • Applicant
    Applicant Posts: 3,379
    I see that in the running order, Germany were right behind Ukraine.

    Which seems to just invite sardonic comment...
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    Have to agree about Australia. V poor.

    Gun to head trifecta - Ukraine Spain Norway
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    MarqueeMark said:

    MaxPB said:

    Moldova and our entry are the best so far. The French one was good too.

    We liked Portugal

    And the banana wolves
    Agree on Portugal. Nice song.
  • Pensfold
    Pensfold Posts: 191
    Whilst in other news.

    The 2015 version of Far from the Madding Crowd demonstrated on BBC2 how much better film making was in 1967 with Julie Christe, Terence Stamp and Alan Bates.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    Marr tweeting away about Eurovision. He's Got His Voice Back!
  • Pensfold
    Pensfold Posts: 191
    Pensfold said:

    Whilst in other news.

    The 2015 version of Far from the Madding Crowd demonstrated on BBC2 how much better film making was in 1967 with Julie Christe, Terence Stamp and Alan Bates.

    Apart from the title which is Maddening of course.
  • nico679
    nico679 Posts: 6,277
    My top 5 , Poland, UK, Ukraine , Romania , Netherlands .

    Australia and Serbia share the wooden spoon.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Top 5 for me - Moldova, UK, France, Spain and Greece

    Bottom 5 - Australia, Switzerland, Serbia, Estonia, Finland
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    I quite liked Greece though no-one else is mentioning it.

    The first half was largely forgettable. Finland, Ukraine, Greece, UK and Estonia were decent. Moldova and Serbia were certainly interesting....
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    I’m on catchup a bit behind the rest of you. What on Earth was Serbia?
  • DecrepiterJohnL
    DecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,769
    When do you get the result? (I'm not watching but have had a couple of bets.)
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,171
    My top 5 excluding UK.

    Spain, Lithuania, Moldova, Norway and Estonia

  • DoubleCarpet
    DoubleCarpet Posts: 968
    Ok so why do we think the UK drifted from 12 pre-song to 15.5 afterwards?
  • bondegezou
    bondegezou Posts: 15,133
    Pulpstar said:

    So many of these songs disappearing up their own arseholes. Australia the worst so far I think
    I'm voting for Moldova so far

    I think my favourite is Ukraine. Not because of the war, but because it’s the best musically. Serbia and Norway good too.
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    When do you get the result? (I'm not watching but have had a couple of bets.)

    About 90 days ago when Russia invaded Ukraine…..
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    When do you get the result? (I'm not watching but have had a couple of bets.)

    It doesn't take quite as long as an STV count, but not far off.
  • Xtrain
    Xtrain Posts: 341
    My top 3
    Lithuania
    Ukraine
    Estonia

    Bottom 3
    Australia
    Moldova
    Belgium
  • MPartridge
    MPartridge Posts: 174
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    When do you get the result? (I'm not watching but have had a couple of bets.)

    I believe results start to come in around 11pm, all results in by 11.45pm
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,317
    I don't have a TV. First time in 4 months I've regretted that decision.
  • OnlyLivingBoy
    OnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,660
    Don't want to detract from Eurovision but our kids' schools are falling down. Or does anyone who matters go private?

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/14/england-crumbling-schools-risk-warn-no-10-education-department-treasury
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    When do you get the result? (I'm not watching but have had a couple of bets.)

    Counting starts at 9am tomorrow (only kidding!)
  • moonshine
    moonshine Posts: 5,961
    Spain and their Smackie Bum Bum song for the win
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Don't want to detract from Eurovision but our kids' schools are falling down. Or does anyone who matters go private?

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/14/england-crumbling-schools-risk-warn-no-10-education-department-treasury

    12 years of Tory mis-rule.
  • OnlyLivingBoy
    OnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,660
    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,273
    To clarify, my trifecta was my predicted top 3 not my fav top 3.

    My fav top 3 were Spain, Serbia, Norway.
  • StillWaters
    StillWaters Posts: 10,370
    FrankBooth said:

    Where's Leon?

    Hanging out with @Cyclefree ’s daughter?

    😇
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Ratings, ratings, ratings!
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,317
    For people with radios. Fascinating documentary on the "repetitive beats" legislation on R4 tonight.
    Including a very young Blair. And a not so young Corbyn.
    A salutary lesson on a Culture War.
    It isn't new.
  • OnlyLivingBoy
    OnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,660
    On a train back from Cambridge to London. Let's just say that @Leon would be loving it.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited May 2022
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
  • DoubleCarpet
    DoubleCarpet Posts: 968
    dixiedean said:

    I don't have a TV. First time in 4 months I've regretted that decision.

    No PC/laptop or phone?
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Because it's a laugh.
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    edited May 2022
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Don't want to detract from Eurovision but our kids' schools are falling down. Or does anyone who matters go private?

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/14/england-crumbling-schools-risk-warn-no-10-education-department-treasury

    We had to make do with drafty, leaking, temporary classrooms and one book between three. Character building.

    And bring back the turkey twizzlers, Smash, and beans followed by banana and custard with a nice thick skin.
  • Gardenwalker
    Gardenwalker Posts: 22,434
    I have seen references to Eurovision in both US and NZ media.

    Bizarre; it seems to be growing in global reach.

    I’ve never seen it.
  • ping
    ping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2022
    Uk dropped to 4th in the betting behind Ukraine, Sweden and Spain
  • OnlyLivingBoy
    OnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,660
    MaxPB said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Because it's a laugh.
    If you're going to let Australia in then why not Korea? At least they actually produce good pop music.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    DavidL said:

    So is this where we get to interesting part of the evening with all those silly musical intermissions out of the road?

    I definitely spoke too soon didn't I?
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    MaxPB said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Because it's a laugh.
    If you're going to let Australia in then why not Korea? At least they actually produce good pop music.
    Nah, Australia is a bants country, they're in it because they don't take themselves too seriously.
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    turbotubbs said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    "Far from the Madding Crowd" on BBC2 for those who do not give a tinker's cuss about Eurovision.

    Gorgeous day here today - as you can see below. I have been sitting in the sunshine designing my vegetable potager and other lovely garden matters.

    Daughter is in Greece having gone to Croatia first. Youngest son is joining her tomorrow. It is a long and well deserved holiday for them both. He was her front of house manager for the last year of her lease and bloody good at it. The last 3 years have been tough but she has made a profit, has learnt a huge amount and proved herself to be quite the tough entrepreneur. I look forward to seeing what she does next.

    I know all the criticisms made of jobs in hospitality but, at its best, it can teach those working in it so much. And it is so much harder than it looks to get it right. Snobbery about what is involved in doing so and doing it profitably is unnecessary.

    At the moment Daughter is sending me pictures of all the beautiful places she's visiting in Greece, which is making me quite envious.


    That is a field. We have fields in this country.
    It IS this country. @Cyclefree has unintentionally misled you. She is not posting her daughters pictures here.
    No misleading - unintentional or otherwise. That's what the phrase "Gorgeous day today - as you can see below" means.

    Next time I'll put "IN THE PHOTO BELOW".

    Honestly ....
  • Xtrain
    Xtrain Posts: 341
    Favourite winner ever.
    Vicky Leandros "Apres Toi".
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    ping said:

    Uk dropped to 4th in the betting behind Ukraine, Sweden and Spain

    The Spanish lady was particularly watchable.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    dixiedean said:

    I don't have a TV. First time in 4 months I've regretted that decision.

    I thought you were going to say it's moments like this that remind you why you don't!

    I do believe you can still listen in to the results on the wireless.
  • nico679
    nico679 Posts: 6,277
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    MaxPB said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Because it's a laugh.
    If you're going to let Australia in then why not Korea? At least they actually produce good pop music.
    They eat dogs ! We wouldn’t want a few pooches getting the chop if South Korea win and want to celebrate !
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    MaxPB said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Because it's a laugh.
    If you're going to let Australia in then why not Korea? At least they actually produce good pop music.
    Korea is not in Europe and nor are most Koreans of European ancestry, unlike most Australians
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Gardenwalker said:

    I have seen references to Eurovision in both US and NZ media.

    Bizarre; it seems to be growing in global reach.

    I’ve never seen it.

    The UK has got huge social media reach into the English speaking world, it's not a huge surprise that a social media friendly event has become more popular in the last 10 years.
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    StillWaters said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Where's Leon?

    Hanging out with @Cyclefree ’s daughter?

    😇
    I do hope not! A flint dildo knapper is not quite what I had in mind. Also she will make mincemeat of him.
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,317
    DoubleCarpet said:

    dixiedean said:

    I don't have a TV. First time in 4 months I've regretted that decision.

    No PC/laptop or phone?
    I could.
    But I resisted.
  • geoffw
    geoffw Posts: 9,161
    In 1961 the UK came second with the Allisons "Are you sure". One of the duo was a class ahead of me at school.
  • ExiledInScotland
    ExiledInScotland Posts: 1,540
    Our puppy liked the Norwegian wolves
  • Northern_Al
    Northern_Al Posts: 8,953
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Don't want to detract from Eurovision but our kids' schools are falling down. Or does anyone who matters go private?

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/14/england-crumbling-schools-risk-warn-no-10-education-department-treasury

    Everybody should look at that article if only to see the photo of Gove about halfway down. It's astonishing - he looks like a coked-up alien.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Northern_Al said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Don't want to detract from Eurovision but our kids' schools are falling down. Or does anyone who matters go private?

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/14/england-crumbling-schools-risk-warn-no-10-education-department-treasury

    Everybody should look at that article if only to see the photo of Gove about halfway down. It's astonishing - he looks like a coked-up alien.
    Are we sure that he isn't?
  • DoubleCarpet
    DoubleCarpet Posts: 968
    So has anyone had a big bet on Ukraine? They were 1.65 about 2 days or so ago. Now 1.35
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,171
    Northern_Al said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Don't want to detract from Eurovision but our kids' schools are falling down. Or does anyone who matters go private?

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/14/england-crumbling-schools-risk-warn-no-10-education-department-treasury

    Everybody should look at that article if only to see the photo of Gove about halfway down. It's astonishing - he looks like a coked-up alien.
    He takes a bad photo, but there the photographer has captured his inner lizard very well.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Well that Indycar race was very chaotic in the rain. Anything else happening tonight?
  • MPartridge
    MPartridge Posts: 174
    I'm tempted to lay UK finishing in the top 5, reckon we are on for 7th
  • ping
    ping Posts: 3,805
    Sandpit said:

    Well that Indycar race was very chaotic in the rain. Anything else happening tonight?

    Some singy songy thing happening in a foreign country. ‘tis all.
  • ping
    ping Posts: 3,805
    MPartridge said:

    I'm tempted to lay UK finishing in the top 5, reckon we are on for 7th

    I laid UK on the winner w/o Ukraine market @3.5 during the performance. They’ve drifted significantly, since.
  • biggles
    biggles Posts: 6,817
    DoubleCarpet said:

    So has anyone had a big bet on Ukraine? They were 1.65 about 2 days or so ago. Now 1.35

    Seems generous tbh.
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,171
    MaxPB said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    MaxPB said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Because it's a laugh.
    If you're going to let Australia in then why not Korea? At least they actually produce good pop music.
    Nah, Australia is a bants country, they're in it because they don't take themselves too seriously.
    This years entry though does. Going for the camp Trans vote just a bit too blatently and seriously.
  • DecrepiterJohnL
    DecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,769
    DoubleCarpet said:

    So has anyone had a big bet on Ukraine? They were 1.65 about 2 days or so ago. Now 1.35

    I had a small bet on Ukraine at 4/1, presumably thanks to a tip on here shortly after the invasion started.
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,171
    DoubleCarpet said:

    So has anyone had a big bet on Ukraine? They were 1.65 about 2 days or so ago. Now 1.35

    I am not convinced. Are Eurovision voters really following current affairs? I have no idea, so wouldnt back or lay Ukraine.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Is there an exit poll?
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    HYUFD said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
  • Cookie
    Cookie Posts: 15,685
    Well we watched bits of Eurovision during the ad breaks for the quiz show on ITV. Dreary ballad after dreary ballad after dreary ballad, just like I remember from the 80s. But then flicked over again at the end and they were on to the mid session filler, which allowed my daughter to marvel at how unlike us the Europeans are in their idea of what telly should be like. And then the quick recaps of the songs - and the Moldovan entry looked fun. I've since looked it up on YouTube and it was genuinely enjoyable. Well done Moldova.
    Granted I didn't see all of it and no doubt there were some other fun bits among the identiballads, but I'm rooting for Moldova. And Ukraine, and the UK, obviously.
  • Daveyboy1961
    Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,726
    Norton just said "In space no-one can hear you scream at your hairdresser"
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Foxy said:

    DoubleCarpet said:

    So has anyone had a big bet on Ukraine? They were 1.65 about 2 days or so ago. Now 1.35

    I am not convinced. Are Eurovision voters really following current affairs? I have no idea, so wouldnt back or lay Ukraine.
    In 2014 the Eurovision crowd booed the Russian entry (which I thought was quite good), so even back then people interested in Eurovision followed things somewhat.

    Enough now to win? I haven't a clue, but it'd be hard to miss.
  • TimT
    TimT Posts: 6,468
    Cyclefree said:

    "Far from the Madding Crowd" on BBC2 for those who do not give a tinker's cuss about Eurovision.

    Gorgeous day here today - as you can see below. I have been sitting in the sunshine designing my vegetable potager and other lovely garden matters.

    Daughter is in Greece having gone to Croatia first. Youngest son is joining her tomorrow. It is a long and well deserved holiday for them both. He was her front of house manager for the last year of her lease and bloody good at it. The last 3 years have been tough but she has made a profit, has learnt a huge amount and proved herself to be quite the tough entrepreneur. I look forward to seeing what she does next.

    I know all the criticisms made of jobs in hospitality but, at its best, it can teach those working in it so much. And it is so much harder than it looks to get it right. Snobbery about what is involved in doing so and doing it profitably is unnecessary.

    At the moment Daughter is sending me pictures of all the beautiful places she's visiting in Greece, which is making me quite envious.


    Azerbaijan today:



  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited May 2022
    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Why is Australia in Eurovision? My geography is not great, but I am pretty sure it's not in Europe.

    Most Australians' families are of European origin however
    Or African, if you go back far enough.
    That was before the first settlements in Europe.

    Since the populated European continent emerged then if you added those nations whose populations are mainly of European ancestry to the European nations who compere in Eurovision, then Canada, New Zealand, the USA, Chile and Argentina as well as Australia would be the maximum number of competitors in Eurovision
  • Cookie
    Cookie Posts: 15,685
    Foxy said:

    DoubleCarpet said:

    So has anyone had a big bet on Ukraine? They were 1.65 about 2 days or so ago. Now 1.35

    I am not convinced. Are Eurovision voters really following current affairs? I have no idea, so wouldnt back or lay Ukraine.
    I had a small bet on them at about 4s, I think. I think even the demographics with less interest than us in current affairs probably have an idea what's going on there. I think the chances of a 'show whose side we are on' vote are high. But I didn't see the song, and the song needs to be at least ok-ish for the sympathy vote to be enough.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    TimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    "Far from the Madding Crowd" on BBC2 for those who do not give a tinker's cuss about Eurovision.

    Gorgeous day here today - as you can see below. I have been sitting in the sunshine designing my vegetable potager and other lovely garden matters.

    Daughter is in Greece having gone to Croatia first. Youngest son is joining her tomorrow. It is a long and well deserved holiday for them both. He was her front of house manager for the last year of her lease and bloody good at it. The last 3 years have been tough but she has made a profit, has learnt a huge amount and proved herself to be quite the tough entrepreneur. I look forward to seeing what she does next.

    I know all the criticisms made of jobs in hospitality but, at its best, it can teach those working in it so much. And it is so much harder than it looks to get it right. Snobbery about what is involved in doing so and doing it profitably is unnecessary.

    At the moment Daughter is sending me pictures of all the beautiful places she's visiting in Greece, which is making me quite envious.


    Azerbaijan today:



    Azerbaijan seems to have suffered quite the calamity, such that the very ground has been shifted 90 degrees. Presumably some sort of powerful earthquake, I hope you are there on relief efforts.
  • londonpubman
    londonpubman Posts: 3,665
    Lol Greece from NL
  • MPartridge
    MPartridge Posts: 174
    Nothing for Ukraine....wow
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    UK third at the moment!
  • ping
    ping Posts: 3,805
    Oooooh

    Ukraine drifting in the betting….
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    I did mention Greece.
  • Foxy
    Foxy Posts: 52,171
    MPartridge said:

    Nothing for Ukraine....wow

    Yes, but this is the Jury vote, not the popular vote.
  • Cookie
    Cookie Posts: 15,685
    Also, the audience still appear to be masked. Are masks still a thing in Italy and elsewhere on the continent?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    MPartridge said:

    Nothing for Ukraine....wow

    None so ruthless and cold hearted as Eurovision watchers.
  • gettingbetter
    gettingbetter Posts: 599
    DoubleCarpet said:

    So has anyone had a big bet on Ukraine? They were 1.65 about 2 days or so ago. Now 1.35

    I have a big bet at average 1.56. Fairly confident but not completely.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,357
    .
    TimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    "Far from the Madding Crowd" on BBC2 for those who do not give a tinker's cuss about Eurovision.

    Gorgeous day here today - as you can see below. I have been sitting in the sunshine designing my vegetable potager and other lovely garden matters.

    Daughter is in Greece having gone to Croatia first. Youngest son is joining her tomorrow. It is a long and well deserved holiday for them both. He was her front of house manager for the last year of her lease and bloody good at it. The last 3 years have been tough but she has made a profit, has learnt a huge amount and proved herself to be quite the tough entrepreneur. I look forward to seeing what she does next.

    I know all the criticisms made of jobs in hospitality but, at its best, it can teach those working in it so much. And it is so much harder than it looks to get it right. Snobbery about what is involved in doing so and doing it profitably is unnecessary.

    At the moment Daughter is sending me pictures of all the beautiful places she's visiting in Greece, which is making me quite envious.


    Azerbaijan today:


    Some serious camber on their roads.
  • londonpubman
    londonpubman Posts: 3,665
    Bizarre Inc Spain haven't won since 1970
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    What happened to all the predictions of Ukraine getting sympathy votes?
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