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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    Not really a follower of US politics, but am I to gather that a black woman has been appointed somewhere? And we are to be delighted, because despite not knowing anything about her beliefs or skills (aside of obviously being talented enough to reach the position she has) because of her skin colour and gender? Is it not me to move on from this?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,845
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    It is odd that there is so much wrong with France yet they manage to attract the most visitors in the world by quite a considerable distance.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=world+tourism+rankings
    Presumably all the Brexiters are too busy holidaying in Cleethorpes to worry about “dumps with not very good food”.

    That’s fine. I’ve no urgent need to share Paris (or France) with the sort of people who complain about “shit-ache” mushrooms.
    HYUFD was quite lyrical on PB recently about the potential for holidays in places such as Skegness post_Brexit, interestingly. (Though I am rather fond of Whitby and Scarborough myself.)
    Well Max was pointing out the other day that the UK’s tourism receipts have collapsed, so Skegness needs you more than ever.
    Not sure that it was a major destination for, say, the average Parisian or Chinese visitor (as opposed, in the case of the latter, to Banbury shopping village - quite an eye opener to be on a Sunday morning train from Maryelobone to Oxford a few years back along the Princes Risborough line btw). So not sure how Skegness is doing even worse than it was.
    Bicester Village.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.

    If only the French presidency were determined by the urban innovation community it sounds like she would walk it (or e-scooter it).
    Well, if you eliminate Macron, it’s either her or the fash.

    As for the e-scooter etc, what Paris does today, London does tomorrow. And Leeds does never.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    If you want to see public transport horror, look at recent videos of the Los Angeles metro


    https://twitter.com/jennygshao/status/1511435186239541248?s=21&t=XAFNmqc3-W-QXzdojEwIDQ

    https://twitter.com/streetpeoplela/status/1509302063125082113?s=21&t=XAFNmqc3-W-QXzdojEwIDQ

    Incroyable
    Looks like New York, but cleaner.
    Is NYC that bad??

    Christ

    There’s one image from this week of a naked guy lying dead - apparently - of an OD in a LA Metro train. Americans just don’t DO public transport

    I remember once trying to persuade a rich American that the best way from Heathrow to central London was via a public train. 15 minutes. Then jump in a cab, be in Claridge’s in another 15 minutes?

    He just couldn’t get his head around it, and insisted on taking a black cab from LHR all the way, which probably took three times as long as cost twice as much, excluding tip
    I worked near Denver for 3 months in 2011, managed to do the entire RTD light rail network (as it was, has expanded a fair bit since!). Free travel by virtue of working for the Uni of Colorado helped, natch :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335

    US Senate just confirmed KBJ 53 to 47

    "“Even in the darkest times, there are bright lights,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the majority leader, said on the Senate floor."

    NY Times Blog.

    The paper is loving this!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,607
    Morning all :)

    I suppose there are some who seem positively gleeful at the prospect of a Le Pen victory in the French Presidential election and we have for the first time seen one pollster give Le Pen a fractional lead in a hypothetical run off against Macron. Said pollster is interesting and could be described as Brazil's answer to Trafalgar but apparently they did best in the 2020 US election so we'll see.

    The fact remains for all the second places Le Pen and RN (as they are called rather than FN) only won eight seats in the National Assembly election last time. Marine Le Pen's 34% in the second round became 13% in the National Assembly elections just a few weeks later.

    Would it be different if she won? Would we see, as with Macron in 2017, a presidential landslide in the National Assembly elections or not? Presumably Macron's movement collapses if he loses the Presidency which opens the door to LR or perhaps Melenchon's FI or a return of the Socialists?

    Unless her party wins a majority, Le Pen would face "co-habitation" with a Government led by other parties which would weaken her opportunity to be too radical which oddly enough might guarantee her second term.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    It is odd that there is so much wrong with France yet they manage to attract the most visitors in the world by quite a considerable distance.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=world+tourism+rankings
    Presumably all the Brexiters are too busy holidaying in Cleethorpes to worry about “dumps with not very good food”.

    That’s fine. I’ve no urgent need to share Paris (or France) with the sort of people who complain about “shit-ache” mushrooms.
    HYUFD was quite lyrical on PB recently about the potential for holidays in places such as Skegness post_Brexit, interestingly. (Though I am rather fond of Whitby and Scarborough myself.)
    Well Max was pointing out the other day that the UK’s tourism receipts have collapsed, so Skegness needs you more than ever.
    Not sure that it was a major destination for, say, the average Parisian or Chinese visitor (as opposed, in the case of the latter, to Banbury shopping village - quite an eye opener to be on a Sunday morning train from Maryelobone to Oxford a few years back along the Princes Risborough line btw). So not sure how Skegness is doing even worse than it was.
    Bicester Village.
    Aaaah, Bicester!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335
    Three Republicans — Senators Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Mitt Romney of Utah — crossed party lines to support Judge Jackson
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    Paris remains the most beautiful city of its size on earth. That will never change, even if it becomes ever more preserved in aspic.

    You’ve made me think about the food.
    It’s possible that one reason for the decline in food quality is that it’s just too posh now.

    Very rich people have banal, insipid taste in all things, including food. Which is why there are no destination restaurants in Hampstead or Richmond.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,738

    Not really a follower of US politics, but am I to gather that a black woman has been appointed somewhere? And we are to be delighted, because despite not knowing anything about her beliefs or skills (aside of obviously being talented enough to reach the position she has) because of her skin colour and gender? Is it not me to move on from this?

    Apparently it's "time", whatever that means.

    Not, apparently, time to choose the best qualified person, whatever his/her skin colour or genitals, but time to choose them precisely because of those.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149
    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,468
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    By far the best restaurant I have ever been to was in Paris.

    Le Taillevant.

    I think the second best could be in London, Paris, or the hills of Italy (don't know which hill). A small list.

    The everyday 'best restaurants ever' seem very poor thirds, and quite often I'd prefer the local curry house.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    By far the best restaurant I have ever been to was in Paris.

    Le Taillevant.

    I think the second best could be in London, Paris, or the hills of Italy (don't know which hill). A small list.

    The everyday 'best restaurants ever' seem very poor thirds, and quite often I'd prefer the local curry house.
    For me, Paul Bocuse in Lyon.
    When he was still alive and kicking.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    Paris remains the most beautiful city of its size on earth. That will never change, even if it becomes ever more preserved in aspic.

    You’ve made me think about the food.
    It’s possible that one reason for the decline in food quality is that it’s just too posh now.

    Very rich people have banal, insipid taste in all things, including food. Which is why there are no destination restaurants in Hampstead or Richmond.
    We'll always have Rome Venice Florence Siena,and Paris can simply not hold a candle to any of them.

    If you'd said "excluding Italy" you'd still have been wrong, mind.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,468

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    By far the best restaurant I have ever been to was in Paris.

    Le Taillevant.

    I think the second best could be in London, Paris, or the hills of Italy (don't know which hill). A small list.

    The everyday 'best restaurants ever' seem very poor thirds, and quite often I'd prefer the local curry house.
    For me, Paul Bocuse in Lyon.
    When he was still alive and kicking.
    What do you think of the also rans?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335
    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    Finished.

    This guy is beginning to be the new John Moore.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,845
    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    "If I die in a high-tax zone
    Box me up and ship me home"

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335
    Pelosi has covid.

    Asymptomatic so far.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    Paris remains the most beautiful city of its size on earth. That will never change, even if it becomes ever more preserved in aspic.

    You’ve made me think about the food.
    It’s possible that one reason for the decline in food quality is that it’s just too posh now.

    Very rich people have banal, insipid taste in all things, including food. Which is why there are no destination restaurants in Hampstead or Richmond.
    I agree it is the most beautiful large city on earth. Of all cities, I would put Venice first.

    The most beautiful small city is Cambridge (and it really is). Yay, go UK

    i disagree on your diagnosis of the food problems. The issue is Paris is too popular. The restaurants don’t have to try, they can rake it in, so they don’t try, and they rake it in. See Venice again for an even worse situation. The food in Venice is famously appalling and overpriced. Fifty quid for fucking terrible risottos. But people will pay it because its in Venice and if they wont pay then there are 3 billion Chinese and Indians newly flush with money and passports who are DESPERATE to see Venice and they WILL pay it, so fuck the Brits and French and Germans they can eat pizza by the train station

    London now has better food than Paris for this same reason. London is not entirely swamped with tourists and has to cater for a huge, diverse, affluent and notably sophisticated LOCAL dining crowd, so the pressure is to get better and better; if your food is crap someone else will take over your slot very quickly

    Of course this is all pre Covid wisdom but my guess is it still applies, and will apply as we exit (please God) the recent horrors
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,791

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris…only 4 years behind Shanghai…and still only talking about the concept
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    It is odd that there is so much wrong with France yet they manage to attract the most visitors in the world by quite a considerable distance.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=world+tourism+rankings
    I'm sure it's lovely, but do you want to go down the road of judging a place as great based on tourist arrivals? Do you believe Germany and the UK are about equally good? That China is better than Italy?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,791
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?
    A bit more overt and extreme, I think ( Priti Patel is certainly a threat to democracy, though). "National preference" for housing and services, in Putin's pocket for foreign policy.
    If Patel had her own party, I could see such a policy. Even Brown had British jobs for British workers.
    Its daft how much insulting daftness heads her way.

    I will happily defend her.
    I dont like her brand of politics, even if it is not her fathers anymore, but think it would be better if those who approve of her winning, would just say so and that they quite like most of what she stands for, rather than give it the standard "it would be funny and great if she won, but I really don't want her to" line.
    I don’t believe there is anyone on here who actively wants her to win. There are a lot of people who enjoy political drama - most of us? - and what was a tedious one horse race is now much more exciting. That’s fun

    Also seeing Macron frightened is a pleasure. He is a twat. And an anglophobe

    As for myself, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Despite the twatness, I’d vote for Macron. He’s done OK. he’s the best of a fairly feeble bunch.

    I don’t think Le Pen would a fascist catastrophe. She’s not Mussolini. But her victory would encourage Putin, and that alone is reason enough to want her to lose
    How can there possibly not be anyone here who wants her to win? There are hundreds of regular posters, maybe thousands including casuals, from a wide spectrum of views and experiences and she is getting high polling numbers. Are we really to believe none of the UKIPers or Brexiteer wing of the Tories agree with her more than they disagree?
    Er, because no one has expressed that sentiment? You can only go by what people say

    Except that you seek to look into pb-ers souls where you are sure they are secretly pro Le Pen, because you just KNOW

    Whatever
    It would be quite extraordinary to have many posters who are quite keen on authoritarian nationalism and protectionism, but none of them favour an authoritarian nationalist protectionist.
    I can think of exactly one poster who might describe himself as keen on authoritarianism/nationalism/protectionism - and even he might express some reservations about Le Pen.
    Many of us think Macron's a dick. Possibly even relish his discomfort a little. That absolutely doesn't equate to wanting Le Pen to win.
    Here’s an interesting thought experiment. Take away Macron, who would you vote for, of the leading candidates

    For me, it probably would be Le Pen

    Melenchon is Corbyn: no way
    Pecresse seems totally feeble
    Zemmour is almost a Nazi, and mad
    Hidalgo is a woke joke and terrible mayor of Paris

    Who is going to stand up for France, is also sane, and a patriot, and would make an interesting change?

    Hold your nose: Le Pen? And pray she really has detoxed


    So @noneoftheabove makes a valid point, in a sense. There are circs where she gets support


    Edit to add: this is a mind game where Putin has NOT invaded Ukraine
    Pecresse, I suppose. With absolutely no enthusiasm.
    Le Pen has, to my mind, absolutely nothing going for her.
    Le Pen: not even as cute as her niece
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    By far the best restaurant I have ever been to was in Paris.

    Le Taillevant.

    I think the second best could be in London, Paris, or the hills of Italy (don't know which hill). A small list.

    The everyday 'best restaurants ever' seem very poor thirds, and quite often I'd prefer the local curry house.
    For me, Paul Bocuse in Lyon.
    When he was still alive and kicking.
    What do you think of the also rans?
    I’ve eaten well in lots of places.

    Someone mentioned bib gourmands from the Michelin Guide and they are always good.

    The Good Food Guide (to the UK), which I have mentioned on here before, seems to be returning after idiots at Waitrose tried to kill it off.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,993

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    It is odd that there is so much wrong with France yet they manage to attract the most visitors in the world by quite a considerable distance.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=world+tourism+rankings
    Presumably all the Brexiters are too busy holidaying in Cleethorpes to worry about “dumps with not very good food”.

    That’s fine. I’ve no urgent need to share Paris (or France) with the sort of people who complain about “shit-ache” mushrooms.
    HYUFD was quite lyrical on PB recently about the potential for holidays in places such as Skegness post_Brexit, interestingly. (Though I am rather fond of Whitby and Scarborough myself.)
    Well Max was pointing out the other day that the UK’s tourism receipts have collapsed, so Skegness needs you more than ever.
    Not sure that it was a major destination for, say, the average Parisian or Chinese visitor (as opposed, in the case of the latter, to Banbury shopping village - quite an eye opener to be on a Sunday morning train from Maryelobone to Oxford a few years back along the Princes Risborough line btw). So not sure how Skegness is doing even worse than it was.
    Bicester Village.
    The standard circuit for Chinese tourists venturing outside of London is Oxford, Stratford and Bicester Village shopping village.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    Finished.

    This guy is beginning to be the new John Moore.
    Lost me there, unless he's going to be buried at Corunna?

    But yes best he fucks off to spend more time with his rupees. Wanker.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,791

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    I love the metro.

    You can hop and skip down to the platforms very easily, because it’s so close to the surface, and the “meandering” nature you bemoan actually means you get to all sorts of places quite quickly rather than just east west or north south.

    It’s no more dirty than London, station for station (compare with the New York subway, which is effectively a sewer with a mass transit built into it).

    As for the nutters and flashers and ne’er-do-wells —- this is Paris, ffs.
    MotoTaxi is the only way to get around Paris these days
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris…only 4 years behind Shanghai…and still only talking about the concept
    Shanghai has achieved the enviable feat of clearing the city of all traffic whatsoever.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,293

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    No. Labourites are fine with rich and posh people. As long as they are Labourites. People from the same background who support other parties are scum.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    Finished.

    This guy is beginning to be the new John Moore.
    Lost me there, unless he's going to be buried at Corunna?

    But yes best he fucks off to spend more time with his rupees. Wanker.
    Or run a successful sports shop in Bath?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,519

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I believe it’s the lack of noblesse oblige that rankles with most. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    I'm quite prepared to believe Paris is a bit shit but anyone suffering acute delusional states, depersonalisation and tachycardia from it probably has plenty issues of their own to be getting on with.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,293
    Stocky said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    It is odd that there is so much wrong with France yet they manage to attract the most visitors in the world by quite a considerable distance.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=world+tourism+rankings
    Presumably all the Brexiters are too busy holidaying in Cleethorpes to worry about “dumps with not very good food”.

    That’s fine. I’ve no urgent need to share Paris (or France) with the sort of people who complain about “shit-ache” mushrooms.
    HYUFD was quite lyrical on PB recently about the potential for holidays in places such as Skegness post_Brexit, interestingly. (Though I am rather fond of Whitby and Scarborough myself.)
    Well Max was pointing out the other day that the UK’s tourism receipts have collapsed, so Skegness needs you more than ever.
    Not sure that it was a major destination for, say, the average Parisian or Chinese visitor (as opposed, in the case of the latter, to Banbury shopping village - quite an eye opener to be on a Sunday morning train from Maryelobone to Oxford a few years back along the Princes Risborough line btw). So not sure how Skegness is doing even worse than it was.
    Bicester Village.
    The standard circuit for Chinese tourists venturing outside of London is Oxford, Stratford and Bicester Village shopping village.
    I've been in Cambridge a lot recently, and there's a lot fewer Chinese faces about. Pleasantly busy, though.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Poor Rishi. It looked good for a while.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    It's more that money-grubbing shysters are not universally loved by the electorate. You may take pleasure in being forcibly sodomised by our insect overlords, others of us find it uncomfortable.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,607
    Leon said:


    I agree it is the most beautiful large city on earth. Of all cities, I would put Venice first.

    The most beautiful small city is Cambridge (and it really is). Yay, go UK

    i disagree on your diagnosis of the food problems. The issue is Paris is too popular. The restaurants don’t have to try, they can rake it in, so they don’t try, and they rake it in. See Venice again for an even worse situation. The food in Venice is famously appalling and overpriced. Fifty quid for fucking terrible risottos. But people will pay it because its in Venice and if they wont pay then there are 3 billion Chinese and Indians newly flush with money and passports who are DESPERATE to see Venice and they WILL pay it, so fuck the Brits and French and Germans they can eat pizza by the train station

    London now has better food than Paris for this same reason. London is not entirely swamped with tourists and has to cater for a huge, diverse, affluent and notably sophisticated LOCAL dining crowd, so the pressure is to get better and better; if your food is crap someone else will take over your slot very quickly

    Of course this is all pre Covid wisdom but my guess is it still applies, and will apply as we exit (please God) the recent horrors

    I have to confess Mrs Stodge and I are looking forward to returning to Las Vegas, one of our favourite places. I find the food there as a whole quite superb - there are some truly excellent restaurants in some of the hotels but the best food is Downtown these days and with plenty of new openings in 2020 and 2021 as well as this year, there's a whole set of venues in which I can spend my blackjack winnings.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,845

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?
    A bit more overt and extreme, I think ( Priti Patel is certainly a threat to democracy, though). "National preference" for housing and services, in Putin's pocket for foreign policy.
    If Patel had her own party, I could see such a policy. Even Brown had British jobs for British workers.
    Its daft how much insulting daftness heads her way.

    I will happily defend her.
    I dont like her brand of politics, even if it is not her fathers anymore, but think it would be better if those who approve of her winning, would just say so and that they quite like most of what she stands for, rather than give it the standard "it would be funny and great if she won, but I really don't want her to" line.
    I don’t believe there is anyone on here who actively wants her to win. There are a lot of people who enjoy political drama - most of us? - and what was a tedious one horse race is now much more exciting. That’s fun

    Also seeing Macron frightened is a pleasure. He is a twat. And an anglophobe

    As for myself, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Despite the twatness, I’d vote for Macron. He’s done OK. he’s the best of a fairly feeble bunch.

    I don’t think Le Pen would a fascist catastrophe. She’s not Mussolini. But her victory would encourage Putin, and that alone is reason enough to want her to lose
    How can there possibly not be anyone here who wants her to win? There are hundreds of regular posters, maybe thousands including casuals, from a wide spectrum of views and experiences and she is getting high polling numbers. Are we really to believe none of the UKIPers or Brexiteer wing of the Tories agree with her more than they disagree?
    Er, because no one has expressed that sentiment? You can only go by what people say

    Except that you seek to look into pb-ers souls where you are sure they are secretly pro Le Pen, because you just KNOW

    Whatever
    It would be quite extraordinary to have many posters who are quite keen on authoritarian nationalism and protectionism, but none of them favour an authoritarian nationalist protectionist.
    I can think of exactly one poster who might describe himself as keen on authoritarianism/nationalism/protectionism - and even he might express some reservations about Le Pen.
    Many of us think Macron's a dick. Possibly even relish his discomfort a little. That absolutely doesn't equate to wanting Le Pen to win.
    Here’s an interesting thought experiment. Take away Macron, who would you vote for, of the leading candidates

    For me, it probably would be Le Pen

    Melenchon is Corbyn: no way
    Pecresse seems totally feeble
    Zemmour is almost a Nazi, and mad
    Hidalgo is a woke joke and terrible mayor of Paris

    Who is going to stand up for France, is also sane, and a patriot, and would make an interesting change?

    Hold your nose: Le Pen? And pray she really has detoxed


    So @noneoftheabove makes a valid point, in a sense. There are circs where she gets support


    Edit to add: this is a mind game where Putin has NOT invaded Ukraine
    Pecresse, I suppose. With absolutely no enthusiasm.
    Le Pen has, to my mind, absolutely nothing going for her.
    Le Pen: not even as cute as her niece
    Who is?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    IshmaelZ said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    It's more that money-grubbing shysters are not universally loved by the electorate. You may take pleasure in being forcibly sodomised by our insect overlords, others of us find it uncomfortable.
    Absolutely fine, don’t vote for his party. The implication is that there should be a cut off for how rich someone can be to be in government. Utterly bizarre.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,791
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    If you want to see public transport horror, look at recent videos of the Los Angeles metro


    https://twitter.com/jennygshao/status/1511435186239541248?s=21&t=XAFNmqc3-W-QXzdojEwIDQ

    https://twitter.com/streetpeoplela/status/1509302063125082113?s=21&t=XAFNmqc3-W-QXzdojEwIDQ

    Incroyable
    Why would you smoke fentanyl? It's bloody cracking IV.
    Injecting drugs is bad for you?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,468
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    Paris remains the most beautiful city of its size on earth. That will never change, even if it becomes ever more preserved in aspic.

    You’ve made me think about the food.
    It’s possible that one reason for the decline in food quality is that it’s just too posh now.

    Very rich people have banal, insipid taste in all things, including food. Which is why there are no destination restaurants in Hampstead or Richmond.
    I agree it is the most beautiful large city on earth. Of all cities, I would put Venice first.

    The most beautiful small city is Cambridge (and it really is). Yay, go UK

    i disagree on your diagnosis of the food problems. The issue is Paris is too popular. The restaurants don’t have to try, they can rake it in, so they don’t try, and they rake it in. See Venice again for an even worse situation. The food in Venice is famously appalling and overpriced. Fifty quid for fucking terrible risottos. But people will pay it because its in Venice and if they wont pay then there are 3 billion Chinese and Indians newly flush with money and passports who are DESPERATE to see Venice and they WILL pay it, so fuck the Brits and French and Germans they can eat pizza by the train station

    London now has better food than Paris for this same reason. London is not entirely swamped with tourists and has to cater for a huge, diverse, affluent and notably sophisticated LOCAL dining crowd, so the pressure is to get better and better; if your food is crap someone else will take over your slot very quickly

    Of course this is all pre Covid wisdom but my guess is it still applies, and will apply as we exit (please God) the recent horrors
    The most wonderful place in the universe is clearly Cambridge on a long afternoon at a garden party in a college garden. Even today if I walk through the courts of the Cambridge colleges it sort of sends a shiver up my spine. Oxford is close sometimes, but Cambridge is the real deal.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,475
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    Finished.

    This guy is beginning to be the new John Moore.
    Lost me there, unless he's going to be buried at Corunna?

    But yes best he fucks off to spend more time with his rupees. Wanker.
    Thatcher's bit of eye candy I believe.

    'Lovely boy, shoulders back now..'


  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    Finished.

    This guy is beginning to be the new John Moore.
    Lost me there, unless he's going to be buried at Corunna?

    But yes best he fucks off to spend more time with his rupees. Wanker.
    Or run a successful sports shop in Bath?
    Wot?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149
    edited April 2022

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited nor married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    Finished.

    This guy is beginning to be the new John Moore.
    Lost me there, unless he's going to be buried at Corunna?

    But yes best he fucks off to spend more time with his rupees. Wanker.
    Or run a successful sports shop in Bath?
    Wot?
    John Moores Sports. The only John Moore I know (apart from Peninsular fame).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    edited April 2022
    Frankly I don't think Sunak has helped himself in this row over his wife's tax status. By whinging about people asking questions about her finances, when spousal interests are a legitimate concern, he looks like he is trying to hide things behind phony outrage. It has made people more inclined to jump on any other titbit around the story.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    If you want to see public transport horror, look at recent videos of the Los Angeles metro


    https://twitter.com/jennygshao/status/1511435186239541248?s=21&t=XAFNmqc3-W-QXzdojEwIDQ

    https://twitter.com/streetpeoplela/status/1509302063125082113?s=21&t=XAFNmqc3-W-QXzdojEwIDQ

    Incroyable
    Why would you smoke fentanyl? It's bloody cracking IV.
    Injecting drugs is bad for you?
    Not if it's done right. And inhaling anything other than air isn't great neither.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,200

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,135
    stodge said:

    Leon said:


    I agree it is the most beautiful large city on earth. Of all cities, I would put Venice first.

    The most beautiful small city is Cambridge (and it really is). Yay, go UK

    i disagree on your diagnosis of the food problems. The issue is Paris is too popular. The restaurants don’t have to try, they can rake it in, so they don’t try, and they rake it in. See Venice again for an even worse situation. The food in Venice is famously appalling and overpriced. Fifty quid for fucking terrible risottos. But people will pay it because its in Venice and if they wont pay then there are 3 billion Chinese and Indians newly flush with money and passports who are DESPERATE to see Venice and they WILL pay it, so fuck the Brits and French and Germans they can eat pizza by the train station

    London now has better food than Paris for this same reason. London is not entirely swamped with tourists and has to cater for a huge, diverse, affluent and notably sophisticated LOCAL dining crowd, so the pressure is to get better and better; if your food is crap someone else will take over your slot very quickly

    Of course this is all pre Covid wisdom but my guess is it still applies, and will apply as we exit (please God) the recent horrors

    I have to confess Mrs Stodge and I are looking forward to returning to Las Vegas, one of our favourite places. I find the food there as a whole quite superb - there are some truly excellent restaurants in some of the hotels but the best food is Downtown these days and with plenty of new openings in 2020 and 2021 as well as this year, there's a whole set of venues in which I can spend my blackjack winnings.
    Go to Tacos El Gordo.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited nor married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    Global rentier class, is that better or worse than citizens of nowhere?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,791

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris…only 4 years behind Shanghai…and still only talking about the concept
    Shanghai has achieved the enviable feat of clearing the city of all traffic whatsoever.
    And to be fair there’s less dog shit in Paris than there is in Nice
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited or married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    She benefits from dual nationality, as I believe do you. That’s your right, and hers. As long as she pays the tax she owes in the U.K. and he does what’s the problem? Should she impoverish India by NOT paying the due tax there? Or pay twice to keep people happy? Isn’t this really just because she is rich? She’s not even the elected mp. Are we saying spouses and other family are fair game now?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited nor married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    Global rentier class, is that better or worse than citizens of nowhere?
    Better, as it does not include connotations of rootless cosmopolitanism.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995
    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    Time and circumstances matter. The same thing in the right (or wrong) moment can chime with people a lot more.

    People were told the same things about Corbyn in 2017 and 2019, but it mattered more in the latter. Boris hasn't changed a bit between 2019 and 2022, but the same sort of thing annoys more people than it did to begin with.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,849
    Ronald Reagan set the precedent for Ketanji Brown Jackson. In the 1980 campaign, he promised to nominate the first woman to the US Supreme Court -- and did, Sandra Day O'Connor. So Biden is following Reagan in keeping a campaign promise.

    (In contrast, George H. W. Bush was under considerable pressure to admit that he was choosing Clarence Thomas for the color of his skin, as well as the content of his character, but never said so.)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,571
    edited April 2022
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899
    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    Yeah, that’s it. Finito
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,791

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?
    A bit more overt and extreme, I think ( Priti Patel is certainly a threat to democracy, though). "National preference" for housing and services, in Putin's pocket for foreign policy.
    If Patel had her own party, I could see such a policy. Even Brown had British jobs for British workers.
    Its daft how much insulting daftness heads her way.

    I will happily defend her.
    I dont like her brand of politics, even if it is not her fathers anymore, but think it would be better if those who approve of her winning, would just say so and that they quite like most of what she stands for, rather than give it the standard "it would be funny and great if she won, but I really don't want her to" line.
    I don’t believe there is anyone on here who actively wants her to win. There are a lot of people who enjoy political drama - most of us? - and what was a tedious one horse race is now much more exciting. That’s fun

    Also seeing Macron frightened is a pleasure. He is a twat. And an anglophobe

    As for myself, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Despite the twatness, I’d vote for Macron. He’s done OK. he’s the best of a fairly feeble bunch.

    I don’t think Le Pen would a fascist catastrophe. She’s not Mussolini. But her victory would encourage Putin, and that alone is reason enough to want her to lose
    How can there possibly not be anyone here who wants her to win? There are hundreds of regular posters, maybe thousands including casuals, from a wide spectrum of views and experiences and she is getting high polling numbers. Are we really to believe none of the UKIPers or Brexiteer wing of the Tories agree with her more than they disagree?
    Er, because no one has expressed that sentiment? You can only go by what people say

    Except that you seek to look into pb-ers souls where you are sure they are secretly pro Le Pen, because you just KNOW

    Whatever
    It would be quite extraordinary to have many posters who are quite keen on authoritarian nationalism and protectionism, but none of them favour an authoritarian nationalist protectionist.
    I can think of exactly one poster who might describe himself as keen on authoritarianism/nationalism/protectionism - and even he might express some reservations about Le Pen.
    Many of us think Macron's a dick. Possibly even relish his discomfort a little. That absolutely doesn't equate to wanting Le Pen to win.
    Here’s an interesting thought experiment. Take away Macron, who would you vote for, of the leading candidates

    For me, it probably would be Le Pen

    Melenchon is Corbyn: no way
    Pecresse seems totally feeble
    Zemmour is almost a Nazi, and mad
    Hidalgo is a woke joke and terrible mayor of Paris

    Who is going to stand up for France, is also sane, and a patriot, and would make an interesting change?

    Hold your nose: Le Pen? And pray she really has detoxed


    So @noneoftheabove makes a valid point, in a sense. There are circs where she gets support


    Edit to add: this is a mind game where Putin has NOT invaded Ukraine
    Pecresse, I suppose. With absolutely no enthusiasm.
    Le Pen has, to my mind, absolutely nothing going for her.
    Le Pen: not even as cute as her niece
    Who is?
    Is that “who is her niece?” or “who is as cute as her niece?”
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149
    edited April 2022

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited or married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    She benefits from dual nationality, as I believe do you. That’s your right, and hers. As long as she pays the tax she owes in the U.K. and he does what’s the problem? Should she impoverish India by NOT paying the due tax there? Or pay twice to keep people happy? Isn’t this really just because she is rich? She’s not even the elected mp. Are we saying spouses and other family are fair game now?
    If you cannot see the issue with the Chancellor of the Exchequer levying taxes (or scrapping welfare) on the poorest in society, while taking advantage of tax dodges only available to those who must claim they don’t have any real commitment the UK, then I’m afraid you are a moral pygmy.

    It’s breathtakingly awful.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,729
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    By far the best restaurant I have ever been to was in Paris.

    Le Taillevant.

    I think the second best could be in London, Paris, or the hills of Italy (don't know which hill). A small list.

    The everyday 'best restaurants ever' seem very poor thirds, and quite often I'd prefer the local curry house.
    Despite its fame for an elegant and interesting dinner in outstanding art nouveau surroundings I'd give the award to Maxim's. Not necessarily for the food but certainly for the ambience.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,845

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?
    A bit more overt and extreme, I think ( Priti Patel is certainly a threat to democracy, though). "National preference" for housing and services, in Putin's pocket for foreign policy.
    If Patel had her own party, I could see such a policy. Even Brown had British jobs for British workers.
    Its daft how much insulting daftness heads her way.

    I will happily defend her.
    I dont like her brand of politics, even if it is not her fathers anymore, but think it would be better if those who approve of her winning, would just say so and that they quite like most of what she stands for, rather than give it the standard "it would be funny and great if she won, but I really don't want her to" line.
    I don’t believe there is anyone on here who actively wants her to win. There are a lot of people who enjoy political drama - most of us? - and what was a tedious one horse race is now much more exciting. That’s fun

    Also seeing Macron frightened is a pleasure. He is a twat. And an anglophobe

    As for myself, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Despite the twatness, I’d vote for Macron. He’s done OK. he’s the best of a fairly feeble bunch.

    I don’t think Le Pen would a fascist catastrophe. She’s not Mussolini. But her victory would encourage Putin, and that alone is reason enough to want her to lose
    How can there possibly not be anyone here who wants her to win? There are hundreds of regular posters, maybe thousands including casuals, from a wide spectrum of views and experiences and she is getting high polling numbers. Are we really to believe none of the UKIPers or Brexiteer wing of the Tories agree with her more than they disagree?
    Er, because no one has expressed that sentiment? You can only go by what people say

    Except that you seek to look into pb-ers souls where you are sure they are secretly pro Le Pen, because you just KNOW

    Whatever
    It would be quite extraordinary to have many posters who are quite keen on authoritarian nationalism and protectionism, but none of them favour an authoritarian nationalist protectionist.
    I can think of exactly one poster who might describe himself as keen on authoritarianism/nationalism/protectionism - and even he might express some reservations about Le Pen.
    Many of us think Macron's a dick. Possibly even relish his discomfort a little. That absolutely doesn't equate to wanting Le Pen to win.
    Here’s an interesting thought experiment. Take away Macron, who would you vote for, of the leading candidates

    For me, it probably would be Le Pen

    Melenchon is Corbyn: no way
    Pecresse seems totally feeble
    Zemmour is almost a Nazi, and mad
    Hidalgo is a woke joke and terrible mayor of Paris

    Who is going to stand up for France, is also sane, and a patriot, and would make an interesting change?

    Hold your nose: Le Pen? And pray she really has detoxed


    So @noneoftheabove makes a valid point, in a sense. There are circs where she gets support


    Edit to add: this is a mind game where Putin has NOT invaded Ukraine
    Pecresse, I suppose. With absolutely no enthusiasm.
    Le Pen has, to my mind, absolutely nothing going for her.
    Le Pen: not even as cute as her niece
    Who is?
    Is that “who is her niece?” or “who is as cute as her niece?”
    Who is as cute as their own niece?

    I know that I'm not!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2022
    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed (it's not a 'tax dodge'), but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,335

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Rishi Sunak’s wife has avoided paying UK tax because she regards India as her “final resting place”, The Telegraph has learnt.

    Akshata Murty, who is richer than the Queen with a personal fortune of around £725 million, pays no UK tax on her foreign earnings, thought to be around £11 million over the past year, because she claims to be non-domiciled in the UK.

    She has indicated to HMRC that she has “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, even though she is married to the Chancellor, has three homes here with Mr Sunak and their two children, and runs her own British-based company.

    A spokesman for Ms Murty has also refused to deny that she makes use of tax havens, after it emerged she bought shares in a company that has used a “letterbox” firm in Mauritius which enables it to reduce its tax burden.

    Asked last year whether he had ever benefited from an offshore arrangement, Mr Sunak said: "No I haven't."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-avoids-paying-uk-tax-regards-india-final-resting/

    Comedy fucking chancers. Bye bye Richy.

    Finished.

    This guy is beginning to be the new John Moore.
    Lost me there, unless he's going to be buried at Corunna?

    But yes best he fucks off to spend more time with his rupees. Wanker.
    Or run a successful sports shop in Bath?
    Wot?
    John Moores Sports. The only John Moore I know (apart from Peninsular fame).
    From wiki:

    "John Edward Michael Moore, Baron Moore of Lower Marsh, PC (26 November 1937 – 20 May 2019[1]) was a British Conservative Party politician who was Member of Parliament for Croydon Central from February 1974 until 1992. During the Premiership of Margaret Thatcher he enjoyed a meteoric rise through the ranks of government, which culminated in his serving as a Secretary of State in the Cabinet from 1987 to 1989. For a time, he was considered a rising star of his party and a potential leadership contender."
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    Yes, that too.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited or married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    She benefits from dual nationality, as I believe do you. That’s your right, and hers. As long as she pays the tax she owes in the U.K. and he does what’s the problem? Should she impoverish India by NOT paying the due tax there? Or pay twice to keep people happy? Isn’t this really just because she is rich? She’s not even the elected mp. Are we saying spouses and other family are fair game now?
    If you cannot see the issue with the Chancellor of the Exchequer levying taxes (or scrapping welfare) on the poorest in society, while taking advantage of tax dodges only available to those who must claim they don’t have any real commitment the UK, then I’m afraid you are a moral pygmy.

    It’s breathtakingly awful.
    So what would be the moral thing to do? Give up her Indian nationality? Only pay taxes in the U.K. on earning made elsewhere? Do the taxes paid in Indian not go to the Indian state?
    If the claim was that the chancellor was changing the laws to enable her to dodge tax, then I’d get the anger. He isn’t. She is following the law.
    Don’t like it? Vote the Tories out, elect a government to change it. It’s a personal question so feel free to ignore, but you surely in a limited way have to answer the question of where you should pay tax on U.K. earnings. Small beer compared to a billionaire for sure.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,352
    I love Paris, but it has an edge. Once on the concourse at the Gare du Nord, a fellow traveller decided it was a good idea to shit into their hands.

    I suspect it saved a few cents, but you just don’t see that at Victoria.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 52,899
    Omnium said:


    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    Paris remains the most beautiful city of its size on earth. That will never change, even if it becomes ever more preserved in aspic.

    You’ve made me think about the food.
    It’s possible that one reason for the decline in food quality is that it’s just too posh now.

    Very rich people have banal, insipid taste in all things, including food. Which is why there are no destination restaurants in Hampstead or Richmond.
    I agree it is the most beautiful large city on earth. Of all cities, I would put Venice first.

    The most beautiful small city is Cambridge (and it really is). Yay, go UK

    i disagree on your diagnosis of the food problems. The issue is Paris is too popular. The restaurants don’t have to try, they can rake it in, so they don’t try, and they rake it in. See Venice again for an even worse situation. The food in Venice is famously appalling and overpriced. Fifty quid for fucking terrible risottos. But people will pay it because its in Venice and if they wont pay then there are 3 billion Chinese and Indians newly flush with money and passports who are DESPERATE to see Venice and they WILL pay it, so fuck the Brits and French and Germans they can eat pizza by the train station

    London now has better food than Paris for this same reason. London is not entirely swamped with tourists and has to cater for a huge, diverse, affluent and notably sophisticated LOCAL dining crowd, so the pressure is to get better and better; if your food is crap someone else will take over your slot very quickly

    Of course this is all pre Covid wisdom but my guess is it still applies, and will apply as we exit (please God) the recent horrors
    The most wonderful place in the universe is clearly Cambridge on a long afternoon at a garden party in a college garden. Even today if I walk through the courts of the Cambridge colleges it sort of sends a shiver up my spine. Oxford is close sometimes, but Cambridge is the real deal.
    Cambridge is spell-blindingly beautiful. I believe we overlook it because it is ours. And perhaps because we are used to our cities being a bit tatty and ruined?

    Cambridge is peerless for its size. No other small city on earth matches, no, not even Siena

    Because Cambridge has all the history and setting and architecture and the discovery-of-DNA (up there with the Renaissance) but is also has the University, still one of the very best on earth

    The equivalent would be Siena still being home to some of the best painters and sculptors, working away, making amazing new things. Siena is not doing this. It is selling overpriced pizza to Americans and is merely a tourist playground, however charming
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    Yes, that too.
    There's no way Sunak is getting the sack because of his wife.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,200
    kle4 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    Time and circumstances matter. The same thing in the right (or wrong) moment can chime with people a lot more.

    People were told the same things about Corbyn in 2017 and 2019, but it mattered more in the latter. Boris hasn't changed a bit between 2019 and 2022, but the same sort of thing annoys more people than it did to begin with.
    I understand, and agree.. but I think the partygate stuff and egregious breaches of lockdown rules is far more damaging, in this respect, and cuts through with the public a lot more.

    People don't really know what 'non-dom' status is. They're just probably going to roll their eyes at it, if that. It just seems primarily like a westminster bubble story. Even in this realm, it is nowhere near as bad as the Patterson lobbying story.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Of course, whether Mrs Sunak actually is non-domiciled in law is an interesting question. Contrary to what people seem to believe, it's not something you can simply self-declare yourself to be.

    If she is, however, then it means she is not planning to live here permanently or make the UK her main long-term home. Which is why it would be odd to have her husband as a potential PM, or indeed as Chancellor, since as far as we know they are not planning to separate.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,352
    edited April 2022
    That being said, waiting for entry into Waterloo I did see some bloke piss out of the window of a slam door train. They were standing on the seats poking their bits out of a small gap.


    On a Southern third rail system that’s a bold move.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,607
    No, it's ancient history.

    The pollster is Brazilian but, and this may mean something or nothing, apparently did very well in predicting the 2020 US Presidential election.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited or married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    She benefits from dual nationality, as I believe do you. That’s your right, and hers. As long as she pays the tax she owes in the U.K. and he does what’s the problem? Should she impoverish India by NOT paying the due tax there? Or pay twice to keep people happy? Isn’t this really just because she is rich? She’s not even the elected mp. Are we saying spouses and other family are fair game now?
    If you cannot see the issue with the Chancellor of the Exchequer levying taxes (or scrapping welfare) on the poorest in society, while taking advantage of tax dodges only available to those who must claim they don’t have any real commitment the UK, then I’m afraid you are a moral pygmy.

    It’s breathtakingly awful.
    So what would be the moral thing to do? Give up her Indian nationality? Only pay taxes in the U.K. on earning made elsewhere? Do the taxes paid in Indian not go to the Indian state?
    If the claim was that the chancellor was changing the laws to enable her to dodge tax, then I’d get the anger. He isn’t. She is following the law.
    Don’t like it? Vote the Tories out, elect a government to change it. It’s a personal question so feel free to ignore, but you surely in a limited way have to answer the question of where you should pay tax on U.K. earnings. Small beer compared to a billionaire for sure.
    The correct thing to do would be to get these affairs sorted BEFORE Rishi sought high office.

    As to how, without knowing Ms Murty’s precise situation I can’t say, but I do think she should not LIE about having “no firm plans to stay in the UK” despite her husband being CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    Yes, that too.
    There's no way Sunak is getting the sack because of his wife.
    True. But there's also no way he's going to be leader of the Conservative Party (and not just because of his wife's position).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed (it's not a 'tax dodge'), but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    Whether or not it's a tax dodge ( and it might be, none of us knows enough about the issues to take a view) the point is that either she is lying, or she is telling the truth, and if she's telling the truth she is saying: fuck the UK, I may own 3 homes here and educate my children here and be married to the CotE, but I'm just temporarily passing through the shitty little place. Which is fine, but people do have a choice who they vote for.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,512

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited or married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    She benefits from dual nationality, as I believe do you. That’s your right, and hers. As long as she pays the tax she owes in the U.K. and he does what’s the problem? Should she impoverish India by NOT paying the due tax there? Or pay twice to keep people happy? Isn’t this really just because she is rich? She’s not even the elected mp. Are we saying spouses and other family are fair game now?
    She won't pay twice nor impoverish India. She will pay tax in India and then the UK but will use any double taxation agreement to offset that Indian tax in the UK. That is assuming there is an agreement. She may not be able to offset it all. The UK limits how much, but you can normally claim any difference back from the overseas authority. I have no idea what the agreement is with India, but that is what I do with income from Swiss shares. It is all pretty fair.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,729
    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    I haven't been to Paris for 20 years, so my views may be out of date. But I thought the metro was shit.
    1) It didn't go anywhere directly. Each line meanders all over the place. From a transport planning point of view, not great.
    2) Full of nutters and flashers and other neer-do-wells.
    3) most of the trains ran on rubber tyres. What's that all about?
    4) dirty and unkempt. Made London look like Singapore.
    It is odd that there is so much wrong with France yet they manage to attract the most visitors in the world by quite a considerable distance.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=world+tourism+rankings
    I think you were unlucky. I spent quite a bit of time there around 20 years ago and I'd say objectively it was better then than now. I don't like rats and they seem to have a plague of them
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    According to this, and some other posters I've seen, Le Pen would want to withdraw France from at least some, or all the structures of NATO.

    https://twitter.com/KaiKochmann/status/1511625880073822221

    If Trump got back in at the same time, things could get "interesting"..

    i think several of the candidates have quite anti-NATO positions. It’s not a unique “Le Pen” thing

    Anti NATOism (a proxy for French detestation of Anglo Saxon hegemony) is a big tradition in France; De Gaulle did it too
    Indeed, Melenchon and Zemmour are even more anti NATO than Le Pen
    Yes another example of pathological impulses fed by perception of national decline and resentment of the free and easy anglosphere. Not as bad as Russia obvs.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,995
    @Richard_Nabavi - was it appropriate to have Mark Carney as Governor of the Bank of England?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,468
    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    By far the best restaurant I have ever been to was in Paris.

    Le Taillevant.

    I think the second best could be in London, Paris, or the hills of Italy (don't know which hill). A small list.

    The everyday 'best restaurants ever' seem very poor thirds, and quite often I'd prefer the local curry house.
    Despite its fame for an elegant and interesting dinner in outstanding art nouveau surroundings I'd give the award to Maxim's. Not necessarily for the food but certainly for the ambience.
    I've never been - I sort of like the old grand places though. 'Le Grand Vefour' for example.

    As I'm retired now I suspect I'll only go to such places infrequently in the future. Admittedly I did go to a quite amazing place in Colmar recently.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited or married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    She benefits from dual nationality, as I believe do you. That’s your right, and hers. As long as she pays the tax she owes in the U.K. and he does what’s the problem? Should she impoverish India by NOT paying the due tax there? Or pay twice to keep people happy? Isn’t this really just because she is rich? She’s not even the elected mp. Are we saying spouses and other family are fair game now?
    If you cannot see the issue with the Chancellor of the Exchequer levying taxes (or scrapping welfare) on the poorest in society, while taking advantage of tax dodges only available to those who must claim they don’t have any real commitment the UK, then I’m afraid you are a moral pygmy.

    It’s breathtakingly awful.
    So what would be the moral thing to do? Give up her Indian nationality? Only pay taxes in the U.K. on earning made elsewhere? Do the taxes paid in Indian not go to the Indian state?
    If the claim was that the chancellor was changing the laws to enable her to dodge tax, then I’d get the anger. He isn’t. She is following the law.
    Don’t like it? Vote the Tories out, elect a government to change it. It’s a personal question so feel free to ignore, but you surely in a limited way have to answer the question of where you should pay tax on U.K. earnings. Small beer compared to a billionaire for sure.
    The correct thing to do would be to get these affairs sorted BEFORE Rishi sought high office.

    As to how, without knowing Ms Murty’s precise situation I can’t say, but I do think she should not LIE about having “no firm plans to stay in the UK” despite her husband being CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
    Everyone’s marriage is different. Some couples need to be together all the time, others are happy living apart and only getting together from time to time. I have no way of knowing if this is the case for them. She is rich enough to to fly to India and back for the weekend, every week, Ist class, or private jet. Maybe she does.
    We don’t know that it’s a lie. The current career of politicians is much reduced. PMs could lose, serve as leader of the opposition and then return as Pm 5 years later in the past. Not now. Lose once and you are done. Rishi is being described as finished already. He could be free in 2024 to move to India full time.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited or married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    She benefits from dual nationality, as I believe do you. That’s your right, and hers. As long as she pays the tax she owes in the U.K. and he does what’s the problem? Should she impoverish India by NOT paying the due tax there? Or pay twice to keep people happy? Isn’t this really just because she is rich? She’s not even the elected mp. Are we saying spouses and other family are fair game now?
    If you cannot see the issue with the Chancellor of the Exchequer levying taxes (or scrapping welfare) on the poorest in society, while taking advantage of tax dodges only available to those who must claim they don’t have any real commitment the UK, then I’m afraid you are a moral pygmy.

    It’s breathtakingly awful.
    So what would be the moral thing to do? Give up her Indian nationality? Only pay taxes in the U.K. on earning made elsewhere? Do the taxes paid in Indian not go to the Indian state?
    If the claim was that the chancellor was changing the laws to enable her to dodge tax, then I’d get the anger. He isn’t. She is following the law.
    Don’t like it? Vote the Tories out, elect a government to change it. It’s a personal question so feel free to ignore, but you surely in a limited way have to answer the question of where you should pay tax on U.K. earnings. Small beer compared to a billionaire for sure.
    The correct thing to do would be to get these affairs sorted BEFORE Rishi sought high office.

    As to how, without knowing Ms Murty’s precise situation I can’t say, but I do think she should not LIE about having “no firm plans to stay in the UK” despite her husband being CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
    You opt for non dom status on a year by year basis. So she elected to do this while her spouse was cote.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,917
    Parisian restaurants are overall poor: mediocre and expensive food. But you can eat really well in small town France. The trick is to find the restaurant that everyone goes to for Sunday lunch. Else the smart place next to the town hall. That's where the mayor goes for his lunch and it will be good.

    Another place for good food (it seems) are schools. Each primary and secondary school publishes the menu for the week on their website. Some of these menus look delicious.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,526

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    mwadams said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Does anyone know how to use GitHub?


    This is the Danish guy’s prediction for Brexit, buried in code which is impenetrable to me

    https://github.com/Deleetdk/brexit_model/commit/07bbb3a66635b3793a4b6d5eaba1f48367acb4db

    If he got this bang on, then his prediction of a Le Pen victory carries a lot more weight

    I'm no expert but I've used it.
    OK cool. So what did he predict?!
    GitHub just stores the code. We'd have to pull it down, feed it his data source and run it to see his graphs (it runs a loess regression and outputs a bunch of histograms, at a quick glance)
    (Ah - it scrapes the FT's brexit polling so it should be runnable by anyone with R skills)
    Yup, FT data, loess fit, put into a shiny app with a graph. No rocket science here.
    Yes yes, but what did he predict?!

    If he aced it, then his French predix carry more weight
    Alright, it's been a while since I've used R and I don't have it installed on this machine, so I'll see if I can spin up a machine in Google Cloud and run it. Only because it's you.

    If the code is buggy, I'll stop. I'm not going to debug someone else's 6 year old code. Give me a few minutes.
    You’re a star. Also that all sounds highly impressive
    Oh god I wish I hadn't started this. He's got a hot mess of dependencies in there. One of them is called "kirkegaard", which seems to be his own dump of random code bits. And there's a reference to another packages called "psychometric" which I don't even know what that is. It's not on CRAN and it's not in his personal Github, so fuck knows what that's about. That code is officially NOT in a working order.
    So basically, bullshit.
    But @Leon’s hope is palpable.

    The PB Tory’s onanistic fantasy of a Le Pen win seems to come around more and more frequently. Perhaps I am just getting old.

    Does @HYUFD still maintain Le Pen actually won the last election, pending final returns from Kerguelen?
    Does anyone actually want her to win? Other than hope of a more excisting contest, pretty sure most people on both sides think Macron is far and away the best choice the French have.
    A Le Pen win is one of those secret desires held by the PB Tory / Brexit tribe.

    See Telegraph/Spectator articles and various PB Tory comments passim.

    It’s a bit like the Japanese fetish for vending machines that sell schoolgirls’ knickers. Inexplicable to outsiders.
    Is it inexplicable? How different is Le Pen's platform from that of someone like Priti Patel?
    A bit more overt and extreme, I think ( Priti Patel is certainly a threat to democracy, though). "National preference" for housing and services, in Putin's pocket for foreign policy.
    If Patel had her own party, I could see such a policy. Even Brown had British jobs for British workers.
    Its daft how much insulting daftness heads her way.

    I will happily defend her.
    I dont like her brand of politics, even if it is not her fathers anymore, but think it would be better if those who approve of her winning, would just say so and that they quite like most of what she stands for, rather than give it the standard "it would be funny and great if she won, but I really don't want her to" line.
    I don’t believe there is anyone on here who actively wants her to win. There are a lot of people who enjoy political drama - most of us? - and what was a tedious one horse race is now much more exciting. That’s fun

    Also seeing Macron frightened is a pleasure. He is a twat. And an anglophobe

    As for myself, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Despite the twatness, I’d vote for Macron. He’s done OK. he’s the best of a fairly feeble bunch.

    I don’t think Le Pen would a fascist catastrophe. She’s not Mussolini. But her victory would encourage Putin, and that alone is reason enough to want her to lose
    How can there possibly not be anyone here who wants her to win? There are hundreds of regular posters, maybe thousands including casuals, from a wide spectrum of views and experiences and she is getting high polling numbers. Are we really to believe none of the UKIPers or Brexiteer wing of the Tories agree with her more than they disagree?
    Er, because no one has expressed that sentiment? You can only go by what people say

    Except that you seek to look into pb-ers souls where you are sure they are secretly pro Le Pen, because you just KNOW

    Whatever
    It would be quite extraordinary to have many posters who are quite keen on authoritarian nationalism and protectionism, but none of them favour an authoritarian nationalist protectionist.
    I can think of exactly one poster who might describe himself as keen on authoritarianism/nationalism/protectionism - and even he might express some reservations about Le Pen.
    Many of us think Macron's a dick. Possibly even relish his discomfort a little. That absolutely doesn't equate to wanting Le Pen to win.
    Here’s an interesting thought experiment. Take away Macron, who would you vote for, of the leading candidates

    For me, it probably would be Le Pen

    Melenchon is Corbyn: no way
    Pecresse seems totally feeble
    Zemmour is almost a Nazi, and mad
    Hidalgo is a woke joke and terrible mayor of Paris

    Who is going to stand up for France, is also sane, and a patriot, and would make an interesting change?

    Hold your nose: Le Pen? And pray she really has detoxed


    So @noneoftheabove makes a valid point, in a sense. There are circs where she gets support


    Edit to add: this is a mind game where Putin has NOT invaded Ukraine
    “I don’t like Le Pen, but what if…”

    Play it again, Sam.
    So fucking tedious

    I’m trying to get inside the minds of 50.3% French people who are apparently willing to vote for Le Pen, on the latest poll

    Do you think more than half the French are Fascists?

    No. Nor do I

    So why are they apparently voting for her?

    The loathe Macron
    They want real change
    They are praying she has detoxed
    They detest the Parisian elite
    They are worried by migration
    They are worried about inflation and security
    They are willing to thrust Ukraine from their minds
    They look at all the other alternatives and despair

    Put it all together and it is extremely similar to Brexit
    So what you are saying is that Brexit and fascism are kindred spirits?

    Interesting.
    I don’t believe Le Pen is a fascist. Not judging by her policies and statements in the last decade.

    Could she be a secret fascist? Yes. But you could make such claims - he secretly believes this! - of many politicians

    She’s an ethnocentric populist nationalist. A left wing Farage perhaps, although british and French traditions are so different maybe there is no good comparison
    One of the things I can’t get my head around is that while Brexit is the preserve of the old and middle-aged, Le Penisme (fascist or no) is more of a youth movement.

    So while the two phenoms look so similar on the surface, I wonder if they are motivated by quite different things, albeit appealing against the same time-honoured folk devils.
    It's been remarked upon that Macron's campaign has been missing the youth element that was apparent in 2017, so that could be another bad omen for him.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    Yes, that too.
    There's no way Sunak is getting the sack because of his wife.
    nottherpoint
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,405

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    The question I'm not musing on is how far up the greasy pole someone in Sunak's position can ascend without it looking awful.

    Before the just passing through comment, I suspect Cabinet-but-not-to-do-with-money. Skin in the game and all that.

    But if Mr S is tied to Mrs S (and I hope so) and Mrs S sees herself tied to India more than Britain, then sorry Rishi, you don't get to run the country, because of the likelihood of you going somewhere else. It's not a major deprivation; lots of people who want to be MPs and ministers don't get the chance either.

    Someone must have known the facts of this all along. And the political consequences are obvious. What the hell were the Conservatives thinking?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149
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    This Rishi thing, frankly, is just as bad as the O-Patz saga.

    Ordinary people may not know what a non-dom is, but they’ll not be happy to find out that the CotE is a “tax dodger” who tries to put up taxes on the little folk.

    Even Labour can’t miss this open goal.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,055

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    The question I'm not musing on is how far up the greasy pole someone in Sunak's position can ascend without it looking awful.

    Before the just passing through comment, I suspect Cabinet-but-not-to-do-with-money. Skin in the game and all that.

    But if Mr S is tied to Mrs S (and I hope so) and Mrs S sees herself tied to India more than Britain, then sorry Rishi, you don't get to run the country, because of the likelihood of you going somewhere else. It's not a major deprivation; lots of people who want to be MPs and ministers don't get the chance either.

    Someone must have known the facts of this all along. And the political consequences are obvious. What the hell were the Conservatives thinking?
    That they can get away with it. Because fan boys will always find obscure reasons, like critics are being racist, or sexist, or trying to steal Indian taxes.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:


    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Dipped into PB for a few minutes and what do I find? ...@Leon wants to vote for Le Pen.

    Shocked I am, truly shocked! Never saw that coming, no not at all.

    I love how, in his thought experiment, he wrote off Hidalgo as a “failed mayor”.

    Admittedly her campaign for president was a complete non-starter, but she’s been a very successful mayor.
    She’s trashed the city and she’s polling at 1% for president. Lol
    Trashed the city?

    She’s made the “15-minute city” concept globally famous. Paris is considered the world leader for urban innovation, in a way Boris the biker only dreamt of.

    She may be woke, I don’t know, but she’s won twice, already, even if Paris mayor (which has a lot more power than London mayor) is the summit of her achievement.
    Paris is a pain as regards transport in my one recent visit. (Admittedly there was some sort of a strike on one day of the three I was there)

    London is better.
    Do tell.
    Well in London you generally get where you want to relatively swiftly and other than some time in the morning you'll not be a sardine.

    In Paris the metro was often over-crowded, and quite slow - just a function of the density of stations. It really shows its age.

    25 years ago it would have been the reverse. Back then the tube was pretty awful, and the metro pretty great.
    I think the last time I was in Paris was late 2018, a while ago. What I do know is there’s been quite significant expansion into the suburbs as part of the Grand Paris Express project - twice as large as Crossrail.
    And yet most Parisian suburbs are a mixture of hellholes and shitholes.

    I have no idea why you seem to like Paris, it's a dump with not very good food. France has got so much to offer, Paris isn't even close to the top of their list.
    Yes, Paris is known far and wide as a “dump with not very good food”.

    Do you think you might be over-egging the omelette?
    The perception and reality are somewhat disconnected, but they are aligning. Its reputation has been sliding for years and there's no sign of improvement.
    My main issue with Paris is that it’s become globally gentrified in the twenty years since I’ve known it, and the centre is ever more a kind of cleaned-up disneyfied ghetto for the very rich.

    That’s true of a lot of places, though.

    I dunno if Paris’s reputation has been sliding. I think it lost ground against London for many years as the “place to be” in Europe, but like I said the stuff Hidalgo has been pioneering is considered a testing ground for urban innovation.
    Certainly its food reputation - once stellar - is sliding. No way it is the global capital of cuisine, that hasn’t been true for decades, and no one really believes it any more

    Has the decline stopped? We won’t know til the fogs of war and plague disperse

    @MaxPB also has a point that the romantic image of Paris is sadly let down by the reality. This psychological shock even has a name - Paris Syndrome - when Japanese women brought up on Ratatouille and Emily in Paris actually go there and find some Algerian guy trying to grope them and some Slovak trying to rob them and some posh British stag-nighter trying not to puke in front of them, and lots and lots of litter and graffiti

    “Paris syndrome (French: syndrome de Paris, Japanese: パリ症候群, Pari shōkōgun) is a sense of disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock.

    The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, and hostility from others),[1] derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting.[2]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
    Paris remains the most beautiful city of its size on earth. That will never change, even if it becomes ever more preserved in aspic.

    You’ve made me think about the food.
    It’s possible that one reason for the decline in food quality is that it’s just too posh now.

    Very rich people have banal, insipid taste in all things, including food. Which is why there are no destination restaurants in Hampstead or Richmond.
    I agree it is the most beautiful large city on earth. Of all cities, I would put Venice first.

    The most beautiful small city is Cambridge (and it really is). Yay, go UK

    i disagree on your diagnosis of the food problems. The issue is Paris is too popular. The restaurants don’t have to try, they can rake it in, so they don’t try, and they rake it in. See Venice again for an even worse situation. The food in Venice is famously appalling and overpriced. Fifty quid for fucking terrible risottos. But people will pay it because its in Venice and if they wont pay then there are 3 billion Chinese and Indians newly flush with money and passports who are DESPERATE to see Venice and they WILL pay it, so fuck the Brits and French and Germans they can eat pizza by the train station

    London now has better food than Paris for this same reason. London is not entirely swamped with tourists and has to cater for a huge, diverse, affluent and notably sophisticated LOCAL dining crowd, so the pressure is to get better and better; if your food is crap someone else will take over your slot very quickly

    Of course this is all pre Covid wisdom but my guess is it still applies, and will apply as we exit (please God) the recent horrors
    The most wonderful place in the universe is clearly Cambridge on a long afternoon at a garden party in a college garden. Even today if I walk through the courts of the Cambridge colleges it sort of sends a shiver up my spine. Oxford is close sometimes, but Cambridge is the real deal.
    Cambridge is spell-blindingly beautiful. I believe we overlook it because it is ours. And perhaps because we are used to our cities being a bit tatty and ruined?

    Cambridge is peerless for its size. No other small city on earth matches, no, not even Siena

    Because Cambridge has all the history and setting and architecture and the discovery-of-DNA (up there with the Renaissance) but is also has the University, still one of the very best on earth

    The equivalent would be Siena still being home to some of the best painters and sculptors, working away, making amazing new things. Siena is not doing this. It is selling overpriced pizza to Americans and is merely a tourist playground, however charming

    Cambridge is great. The campus at 77 Mass Avenue is beautiful, as is the view over the Charles River to BackBay. And -- best of all -- it is free from poseurs in the Humanities going to wanky garden parties.

    But, DNA was not discovered there. Photo 51 was taken in another country, off the Strand in London.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    The question I'm not musing on is how far up the greasy pole someone in Sunak's position can ascend without it looking awful.

    Before the just passing through comment, I suspect Cabinet-but-not-to-do-with-money. Skin in the game and all that.

    But if Mr S is tied to Mrs S (and I hope so) and Mrs S sees herself tied to India more than Britain, then sorry Rishi, you don't get to run the country, because of the likelihood of you going somewhere else. It's not a major deprivation; lots of people who want to be MPs and ministers don't get the chance either.

    Someone must have known the facts of this all along. And the political consequences are obvious. What the hell were the Conservatives thinking?
    I think once you get into a Treasury post, it’s unsustainable. This has been unacceptable for an awful long time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019
    Jonathan said:

    That being said, waiting for entry into Waterloo I did see some bloke piss out of the window of a slam door train. They were standing on the seats poking their bits out of a small gap.


    On a Southern third rail system that’s a bold move.

    There are no longer any slam-door trains on the lines into Waterloo.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,150
    Tiger being Tiger....
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,149

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    The question I'm not musing on is how far up the greasy pole someone in Sunak's position can ascend without it looking awful.

    Before the just passing through comment, I suspect Cabinet-but-not-to-do-with-money. Skin in the game and all that.

    But if Mr S is tied to Mrs S (and I hope so) and Mrs S sees herself tied to India more than Britain, then sorry Rishi, you don't get to run the country, because of the likelihood of you going somewhere else. It's not a major deprivation; lots of people who want to be MPs and ministers don't get the chance either.

    Someone must have known the facts of this all along. And the political consequences are obvious. What the hell were the Conservatives thinking?
    That they can get away with it. Because fan boys will always find obscure reasons, like critics are being racist, or sexist, or trying to steal Indian taxes.
    Trying to steal Indian taxes is a great one.

    Once you see that, you realise that the poster is basically a malevolent idiot.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019

    Pulpstar said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    That's not what @Gardenwalker has said
    By extension it is though. The argument is that he is rich and has comprehension of the common man. I’d also wonder about @Gardenwalker’s own tax arrangements, as he now lives in the states and earns profits in th3 U.K. on his properties.
    It’s not at all what I said, you berk.

    I don’t mind especially that Rishi is insanely rich, although it does raise questions about his relatability to the taxpayer.

    What I cannot accept is that his wife (and by extension him) is availing herself of various tax schemes available to a global rentier class, and claiming that one of them “has no firm plans to stay in the UK” so they can continue to take the piss.

    As for me,

    1. I’m not a billionaire.
    2. I neither inherited or married into money.
    3. I’m not seeking elected office.
    4. I’m not a cunt.
    She benefits from dual nationality, as I believe do you. That’s your right, and hers. As long as she pays the tax she owes in the U.K. and he does what’s the problem? Should she impoverish India by NOT paying the due tax there? Or pay twice to keep people happy? Isn’t this really just because she is rich? She’s not even the elected mp. Are we saying spouses and other family are fair game now?
    If you cannot see the issue with the Chancellor of the Exchequer levying taxes (or scrapping welfare) on the poorest in society, while taking advantage of tax dodges only available to those who must claim they don’t have any real commitment the UK, then I’m afraid you are a moral pygmy.

    It’s breathtakingly awful.
    So what would be the moral thing to do? Give up her Indian nationality? Only pay taxes in the U.K. on earning made elsewhere? Do the taxes paid in Indian not go to the Indian state?
    In 2019, out of 764,000 Indian millionaires, only 319,000 declared more than the equivalent of $75,000 on their (Indian) tax returns.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,729
    Cookie. Sorry I just replied to myself. I was answering your post on Paris 20 years ago. For some reason Paris is attracting huge numbers of continuous posts. Must be the French connection...
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