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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Parisian restaurants are overall poor: mediocre and expensive food. But you can eat really well in small town France. The trick is to find the restaurant that everyone goes to for Sunday lunch. Else the smart place next to the town hall. That's where the mayor goes for his lunch and it will be good.

    Another place for good food (it seems) are schools. Each primary and secondary school publishes the menu for the week on their website. Some of these menus look delicious.

    I think these things are still relative. A couple of times I've eaten a burger in a rush at Parisian train stations, Expectations of zero, but results of far better than their British equivalents. Similarly in Italy, random road-stop salami or train station cafes can be pretty good ; in fact, they're nearly always better than here.

    This is the "baseline", or default of good functional food, that these two countries still have, and that outside of trendy metropolitan centres, you still tend not to get in the UK, or other parts of Northern Europe either.
    This is just SOOOOO not true, not anymore
    Well, my Parisian experiences were only two and three years ago, and I doubt things have changed that much since then. I'd be genuinely interested to know to know where outside metropolitan Britain you're getting this default/roadside and transport centre good food, however, because I'm not finding it.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    See, I don’t mind that.
    It’s up to her.

    It’s the the idea that - according to her declaration to HMRC - that she is “just passing through” which is an abomination.

    Or at least, it becomes so when you have several homes here, are raising a family here, have donated to the bloody school here, and your husband is launching a blitzkrieg on the poorest in society here as Chancellor or the freaking Exchequer here.
    I mind it because it speaks to something deeper and it puts a very big conflict of interest in the Sunak household.

    Firstly she lives here and has made a life here, she has kids who presumably are British citizens and her husband who is effectively second most powerful person in the country she has chosen to live in. The "just passing through" statement is a result of this, not some odd tax wheeze IMO.

    I hadn't realised until now that Rishi's wife was not a naturalised citizen, I'd assumed she was and had given up her Indian nationality as so many others do, mainly because having a British passport is such a huge upgrade on an Indian one, even for a billionaire. She also has legitimate non-tax related reasons to give up her Indian nationality, she lives here.

    Also, no one, not a single person keeps their Indian citizenship as part of a tax avoidance wheeze. It's a fucking headache and the Indian government revels in attempting to claim global taxation rights of its citizens, it's why everyone is so desperate to give up their citizenship as soon as they qualify for British nationality.

    Getting back to the point, given that Mrs Rishi is willing to live with all of the hassle that comes with having Indian citizenship rather than British citizenship it's fairly safe to assume she sees herself as Indian first, not British. I think that's a huge conflict of interest for the chancellor.
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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    Where does she live most of the time? She was born in India to Indian parents. Perhaps she still feels Indian?
    It's perfectly reasonable to "feel" Indian and take up British citizenship. My mum did it and so many others do it too.

    That's what's been bugging me more than anything else, if Rishi's wife doesn't see herself as actually British despite living here for years, that's a much bigger problem than a few tax issues. The chancellor is married to a foreign citizen who, when it comes down to it, won't have Britain's best interests at heart. There's a huge conflict of interest there.
    Perhaps she fancies a go at Indian politics?
    The phrase I would use here is "skin in the game". I don't mind that Sunak's wife is rich but I want someone who has a personal stake in this country's future.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,723

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    Where does she live most of the time? She was born in India to Indian parents. Perhaps she still feels Indian?
    It's perfectly reasonable to "feel" Indian and take up British citizenship. My mum did it and so many others do it too.

    That's what's been bugging me more than anything else, if Rishi's wife doesn't see herself as actually British despite living here for years, that's a much bigger problem than a few tax issues. The chancellor is married to a foreign citizen who, when it comes down to it, won't have Britain's best interests at heart. There's a huge conflict of interest there.
    Perhaps she fancies a go at Indian politics?
    What would be the point? She doesn't need the embezzlement to get filthy rich.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880

    #BREAKING Situation in Borodianka near Kiev is "much more horrific" than in Bucha, says Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1512165927563018240

    Mauripol is going to be a genocide up there with the worst in recent history isn't it.
    One hopes not.

    I am a little squeamish about the genocide word. I think some of the rhetoric has been genocidal, and I’ve read that genocide-guy’s tweet, but to me genocide has to be systematic and I’m not sure this has been.

    It’s still a barbaric war crime though and Putin should be on trial.

    I see he has admitted to suffering serious losses today, which is interesting.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Parisian restaurants are overall poor: mediocre and expensive food. But you can eat really well in small town France. The trick is to find the restaurant that everyone goes to for Sunday lunch. Else the smart place next to the town hall. That's where the mayor goes for his lunch and it will be good.

    Another place for good food (it seems) are schools. Each primary and secondary school publishes the menu for the week on their website. Some of these menus look delicious.

    I think these things are still relative. A couple of times I've eaten a burger in a rush at Parisian train stations, Expectations of zero, but results of far better than their British equivalents. Similarly in Italy, random road-stop salami or train station cafes can be pretty good ; in fact, they're nearly always better than here.

    This is the "baseline", or default of good functional food, that these two countries still have, and that outside of trendy metropolitan centres, you still tend not to get in the UK, or other parts of Northern Europe either.
    This is just SOOOOO not true, not anymore
    Well, my Parisian experiences were only two and three years ago, and I doubt things have changed that much. I'd be genuinely interested to know to know where outside metropolitan Britain you're getting this default/roadside and transport centre good food, because I'm not finding it.
    Yes.

    Perhaps there’s a motorway services outside Nuneaton that does the most perfect lobster Thermidor.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    #BREAKING Situation in Borodianka near Kiev is "much more horrific" than in Bucha, says Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1512165927563018240

    Mauripol is going to be a genocide up there with the worst in recent history isn't it.
    One hopes not.

    I am a little squeamish about the genocide word. I think some of the rhetoric has been genocidal, and I’ve read that genocide-guy’s tweet, but to me genocide has to be systematic and I’m not sure this has been.

    It’s still a barbaric war crime though and Putin should be on trial.

    I see he has admitted to suffering serious losses today, which is interesting.
    Hmm, a systematic extermination of Ukrainians seems to be what's happening in parts of Ukraine at the moment.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,789
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    Where does she live most of the time? She was born in India to Indian parents. Perhaps she still feels Indian?
    It's perfectly reasonable to "feel" Indian and take up British citizenship. My mum did it and so many others do it too.
    She is a director of her father's investment firm - which is based in India, and may require Indian citizenship to hold - which she cannot do and get a British passport. She does appear to have extensive ties to India - the issue is not her, but her tone deaf husband.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,723

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Parisian restaurants are overall poor: mediocre and expensive food. But you can eat really well in small town France. The trick is to find the restaurant that everyone goes to for Sunday lunch. Else the smart place next to the town hall. That's where the mayor goes for his lunch and it will be good.

    Another place for good food (it seems) are schools. Each primary and secondary school publishes the menu for the week on their website. Some of these menus look delicious.

    I think these things are still relative. A couple of times I've eaten a burger in a rush at Parisian train stations, Expectations of zero, but results of far better than their British equivalents. Similarly in Italy, random road-stop salami or train station cafes can be pretty good ; in fact, they're nearly always better than here.

    This is the "baseline", or default of good functional food, that these two countries still have, and that outside of trendy metropolitan centres, you still tend not to get in the UK, or other parts of Northern Europe either.
    This is just SOOOOO not true, not anymore
    Well, my Parisian experiences were only two and three years ago, and I doubt things have changed that much since then. I'd be genuinely interested to know to know where outside metropolitan Britain you're getting this default/roadside and transport centre good food, however, because I'm not finding it.
    You need to discover Greggs.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    MaxPB said:

    #BREAKING Situation in Borodianka near Kiev is "much more horrific" than in Bucha, says Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1512165927563018240

    Mauripol is going to be a genocide up there with the worst in recent history isn't it.
    One hopes not.

    I am a little squeamish about the genocide word. I think some of the rhetoric has been genocidal, and I’ve read that genocide-guy’s tweet, but to me genocide has to be systematic and I’m not sure this has been.

    It’s still a barbaric war crime though and Putin should be on trial.

    I see he has admitted to suffering serious losses today, which is interesting.
    Hmm, a systematic extermination of Ukrainians seems to be what's happening in parts of Ukraine at the moment.
    I don’t want to get into an argument about it, and I admit I don’t follow this closely on Twitter etc, but I disagree.

    What we see is the Russian army and low-discipline soldiers doing their shabby, brutal, murderous thing.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2022

    MaxPB said:

    #BREAKING Situation in Borodianka near Kiev is "much more horrific" than in Bucha, says Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1512165927563018240

    Mauripol is going to be a genocide up there with the worst in recent history isn't it.
    One hopes not.

    I am a little squeamish about the genocide word. I think some of the rhetoric has been genocidal, and I’ve read that genocide-guy’s tweet, but to me genocide has to be systematic and I’m not sure this has been.

    It’s still a barbaric war crime though and Putin should be on trial.

    I see he has admitted to suffering serious losses today, which is interesting.
    Hmm, a systematic extermination of Ukrainians seems to be what's happening in parts of Ukraine at the moment.
    I don’t want to get into an argument about it, and I admit I don’t follow this closely on Twitter etc, but I disagree.

    What we see is the Russian army and low-discipline soldiers doing their shabby, brutal, murderous thing.
    Germany intelligence have incepted radio communications that say the opposite.

    The radio traffic intercepted by the BND makes it seem as though the atrocities perpetrated on civilians in Bucha were neither random acts nor the product of individual soldiers who got out of hand.

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/possible-evidence-of-russian-atrocities-german-intelligence-intercepts-radio-traffic-discussing-the-murder-of-civilians-in-bucha-a-0a191c96-634f-4d07-8c5c-c4a772315b0d

    Low level soldiers were replaced by Wagner Group and Chechens with a particular purpose in mind.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,798

    Similar to Rishi's woes, one of the reasons for Zelensky's declining ratings before the war was his involvement in the Pandora Papers. If only voters in Russia were so exacting of their leaders.

    I follow Ukrainian economic policy very closely for my job. And Zelensky's behaviour before the war was unheroic- in fact, often downright questionable. His entire career had been closely supported by one of the very worst of the Ukrainian oligarchs.

    Ihor Kolomoisky, a man described by a panel of English High Court judges as facing a 'good arguable case' of having stolen around $5.5 billion from depositors in his bank. (Not a typo: five and a half billion dollars, stolen from ordinary people with bank accounts.) And that's really not the only bad thing Kolomoisky might have done, by a long way. He armed a militia during the 2014 war, but also used it to intimidate civil servants inquiring into his business interests. Kolomoisky decided to flee Ukraine in 2016, after his strong-arm tactics in the gas industry and his, er, novel approach to banking began to attract unfavourable attention. But Kolomoisky showed up again in Ukraine after- guess what?- Zelensky won the presidential election.

    And after he returned to his native land, there was suddenly a mysteriously co-ordinated wave of death threats, arson attacks, lawsuits and smear campaigns against the central bank officials who had taken PrivatBank off him. Zelensky's first chief of staff was a (former?) Kolomisky employee, as were some others among his important officials. Another detail: People now like to mentionthat Zelensky played a fictional Ukrainian president in a TV comedy show. Yes, he did. And who owns the channel that broadcast the show? One Ihor Kolomoisky. Who has used the same channel to smear and attack those who criticise his business interests. How did Zelensky react to the campaign against the central bank? He refused to say a word in defence of its officials, and fired the governor in the summer of 2020.

    The IMF promptly ceased disbursing all aid to Ukraine, reversing that only when Russian invasion threats started late last year. I asked a very senior, very honest former Ukrainian official at the time if they thought Zelensky was in hock to Kolomoisky and other oligarchs. 'Who knows?' this person said. They thought maybe Zelensky wanted to be a reformer, but wasn't brave enough, or lacked effective support. Certainly Ukrainian parliamentary politics seemed to be a factional nightmare before the invasion.

    So Zelensky's peacetime record was- being very polite about it- not great. His predecessor Petro Poroshenko was an oligarch, but actually had a rather more substantial record of domestic reform than Zelensky. But now? Maybe a postwar Zelensky will be pretty poor again. But maybe he will have both the courage of his convictions and the popular and parliamentary support he needs to be a reformer. We don't yet know
    .

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Griboyedov1/status/1511792857258106891
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    BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,458
    Leon said:

    it’s that time of the decade when Simon Jenkins writes his Falklands article again

    “British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    He's boringly predictable when he writes about this sort of thing. Wonder why he bothers.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Parisian restaurants are overall poor: mediocre and expensive food. But you can eat really well in small town France. The trick is to find the restaurant that everyone goes to for Sunday lunch. Else the smart place next to the town hall. That's where the mayor goes for his lunch and it will be good.

    Another place for good food (it seems) are schools. Each primary and secondary school publishes the menu for the week on their website. Some of these menus look delicious.

    I think these things are still relative. A couple of times I've eaten a burger in a rush at Parisian train stations, Expectations of zero, but results of far better than their British equivalents. Similarly in Italy, random road-stop salami or train station cafes can be pretty good ; in fact, they're nearly always better than here.

    This is the "baseline", or default of good functional food, that these two countries still have, and that outside of trendy metropolitan centres, you still tend not to get in the UK, or other parts of Northern Europe either.
    This is just SOOOOO not true, not anymore
    Well, my Parisian experiences were only two and three years ago. I doubt things have changed that much. I'd be genuinely interested to know to know where outside metropolitan Britain are you getting this default/roadside good food, because I havrn't found it.
    You’re talking about basic everyday snacks like sandwiches and the like, right?

    “Random road stop salami”

    So just walk into the nearest supermarket - M&S, Sainsbury’s, Tesco, and you will find hugely inventive sandwiches and wraps and salads considerably in advance of anything you find on the continent. Ditto Pret and the like

    The French equivalent is jambon beurre in a frozen and thawed baguette despatched from some monstrous warehouse near Paris, dished up with wilted cornichons if you’re lucky. I fail to see how the latter is better

    Both are industrial, the British version is significantly more inventive. You find me a yummy hoi sin duck wrap in a small French town

    As for burgers, lol. They are burgers. You can go low with McDonalds or high with Byron or Five Guys, in the end it is just the same, the Brits maybe have a bit more variety but who cares, it’s a burger

    Where the italians still have an edge (the French bistros don’t have this edge, often all they do is microwave because of the staffing issues) is the local trattoria in a really small town. That will probably still be a fair bit better than the gastropub (if there even is one) in a small British town. But the British town will have a decent Indian restaurant. The Italian town won’t

    It’s all quite marginal now
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436

    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2022


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Well someone certainly is.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    edited April 2022
    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,168
    Leon said:

    it’s that time of the decade when Simon Jenkins writes his Falklands article again

    “British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    The unsophisticated islanders desire to remain British of course irrelevant in his elite liberal eyes
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330
    So is Woods a value bet for the masters?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555

    Leon said:

    it’s that time of the decade when Simon Jenkins writes his Falklands article again

    “British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    He's boringly predictable when he writes about this sort of thing. Wonder why he bothers.
    Because he is now really quite old and he has totally run out of ideas. But he still wants the job

    The whole thing smacks of an elderly mad in a panic, staring at the empty laptop screen

    I actually sympathise with him (perhaps as I age!) but there comes a time when you put your columnifying ammunition into a box, and store it in the attic. He may be near that time, The Falklands, FFS
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,723


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    Hoping for some Jizz with Liz?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,011

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    Their coffee shops are lovely as well.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    Hoping for some Jizz with Liz?
    Euuww
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    Hoping for some Jizz with Liz?
    I thought Dom was team Sunak, failing the original Plan A of Gove?
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,240

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    Sit down breakfast might be good in Nelson. Sit down lunch and dinner no.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    Isn't there a tradition in Japan where houses are not built to last more than a few decades, due to earthquakes? Hence all the wooden construction? If houses do not last as long, you will build more.

    So I was told during my course. I daresay someone will correct me...
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,583
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    See, I don’t mind that.
    It’s up to her.

    It’s the the idea that - according to her declaration to HMRC - that she is “just passing through” which is an abomination.

    Or at least, it becomes so when you have several homes here, are raising a family here, have donated to the bloody school here, and your husband is launching a blitzkrieg on the poorest in society here as Chancellor or the freaking Exchequer here.
    I mind it because it speaks to something deeper and it puts a very big conflict of interest in the Sunak household.

    Firstly she lives here and has made a life here, she has kids who presumably are British citizens and her husband who is effectively second most powerful person in the country she has chosen to live in. The "just passing through" statement is a result of this, not some odd tax wheeze IMO.

    I hadn't realised until now that Rishi's wife was not a naturalised citizen, I'd assumed she was and had given up her Indian nationality as so many others do, mainly because having a British passport is such a huge upgrade on an Indian one, even for a billionaire. She also has legitimate non-tax related reasons to give up her Indian nationality, she lives here.

    Also, no one, not a single person keeps their Indian citizenship as part of a tax avoidance wheeze. It's a fucking headache and the Indian government revels in attempting to claim global taxation rights of its citizens, it's why everyone is so desperate to give up their citizenship as soon as they qualify for British nationality.

    Getting back to the point, given that Mrs Rishi is willing to live with all of the hassle that comes with having Indian citizenship rather than British citizenship it's fairly safe to assume she sees herself as Indian first, not British. I think that's a huge conflict of interest for the chancellor.
    Takes us back to the big question of principle that this government has tapdanced around since 2016 (after all, that's when this government coalesced as a coherent movement).

    Is the UK trying to become a place where the feet of global elite temporarily land?

    Or is Somewhereism where it's at?

    In theory, you can hold the two together, but it's jolly hard in practice.
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    On thread

    Mike you are wrong on this point, the last polls will be published on Friday evening.
    The law only bans them on polling day and the day before.

    Thus Saturday will be the first day without polls and any campaigning will be banned too: no public rallies, no leaflets, nothing.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,011
    ""Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    With local elections less than a month away, how has polling changed since this cycle was last up in 2018?

    LAB: 39.0% (-0.1)
    CON: 34.8% (-6.7)
    LDM: 9.6% (+1.3)
    GRN: 5.3% (+2.6)
    UKIP/RFM: 3.6% (+0.3)
    Others: 7.7% (+2.6)"
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,871

    So is Woods a value bet for the masters?

    Probably not, it is a very hilly and demanding course to walk around for any player 40+, let alone one with his injury history.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
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    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    1m
    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    No, I am saying Team Boris is briefing against Sunak. And Sunak is Big Doms man, and every time Team Boris have prodded Big Dom hornet nest, he takes a bit dump on Boris.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,833

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,904
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    Where does she live most of the time? She was born in India to Indian parents. Perhaps she still feels Indian?
    It's perfectly reasonable to "feel" Indian and take up British citizenship. My mum did it and so many others do it too.

    That's what's been bugging me more than anything else, if Rishi's wife doesn't see herself as actually British despite living here for years, that's a much bigger problem than a few tax issues. The chancellor is married to a foreign citizen who, when it comes down to it, won't have Britain's best interests at heart. There's a huge conflict of interest there.
    I don't see that at all.This isn't America. We vote for a person not a couple and I couldn't care less who the Chancellor is married to or their sex or whether they're married at all. This is getting a little weird
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    The M&S on the corner of Fenchurch Street has got a great little hot food bit downstairs. You can get a half chicken, some kind of grain and salad for about £7 and it's both tasty and filling while being pretty good value for the area. The queue has become pretty horrendous lately though so I'm having to go earlier and earlier.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    No, its Team Boris doing it. I meant Sunak is Big Doms man, and every time Team Boris have prodded Big Dom hornet nest, he takes a bit dump on Boris.
    So why not just move him or replace him? He has the power surely? Or is this the warming up phase?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2022

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    I might be wrong on this, but I think that stat might be a bit misleading....I believe for cultural and tax reasons, in Japan very common not to do major renovations, rather to just knock down homes (especially when somebody dies) and rebuild i.e. they aren't expanding the housing stock when they do so.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,871

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    Bizarrely Boots sandwiches are also pretty good, and excellent value in their meal deal. Not sure why.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075

    MaxPB said:

    #BREAKING Situation in Borodianka near Kiev is "much more horrific" than in Bucha, says Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1512165927563018240

    Mauripol is going to be a genocide up there with the worst in recent history isn't it.
    One hopes not.

    I am a little squeamish about the genocide word. I think some of the rhetoric has been genocidal, and I’ve read that genocide-guy’s tweet, but to me genocide has to be systematic and I’m not sure this has been.

    It’s still a barbaric war crime though and Putin should be on trial.

    I see he has admitted to suffering serious losses today, which is interesting.
    Hmm, a systematic extermination of Ukrainians seems to be what's happening in parts of Ukraine at the moment.
    I don’t want to get into an argument about it, and I admit I don’t follow this closely on Twitter etc, but I disagree.

    What we see is the Russian army and low-discipline soldiers doing their shabby, brutal, murderous thing.
    Germany intelligence have incepted radio communications that say the opposite.

    The radio traffic intercepted by the BND makes it seem as though the atrocities perpetrated on civilians in Bucha were neither random acts nor the product of individual soldiers who got out of hand.

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/possible-evidence-of-russian-atrocities-german-intelligence-intercepts-radio-traffic-discussing-the-murder-of-civilians-in-bucha-a-0a191c96-634f-4d07-8c5c-c4a772315b0d

    Low level soldiers were replaced by Wagner Group and Chechens with a particular purpose in mind.
    A good indication is whether the country publicly says the actions are wrong. That their troops abusing civilians is wrong; that it recognises what 'civilians' are. That troops breaking the rule of law will be prosecuted.

    Is Russia saying that, or is it saying that *anyone* who looks at them oddly in the street is a Nazi, and can therefore be raped, abused and/or murdered?
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    NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Just read it. Not a bad effort actually.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436

    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Times: Sunak fears revelations over wife are ‘hit job’ #tomorrowspaperstoday
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2022


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    No, its Team Boris doing it. I meant Sunak is Big Doms man, and every time Team Boris have prodded Big Dom hornet nest, he takes a bit dump on Boris.
    So why not just move him or replace him? He has the power surely? Or is this the warming up phase?
    Because Boris needs to sure up his own position and very helpful if the younger better looking bloke leadership ambitions are severely damaged.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Times: Sunak fears revelations over wife are ‘hit job’ #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Well he’s worked that out then!
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    It’s a decent rebuttal, but he deliberately missed the key point.

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer has a conflict of interest when his wife claims - as she must do as a non-dom - to be just passing through.

    As to the idea that she hopes to “go back to India to look after her parents when they are old”, it is risible.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436

    It’s a decent rebuttal, but he deliberately missed the key point.

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer has a conflict of interest when his wife claims - as she must do as a non-dom - to be just passing through.

    As to the idea that she hopes to “go back to India to look after her parents when they are old”, it is risible.
    Can't she just domicile here until the sad day she needs to go back?

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Times: Sunak fears revelations over wife are ‘hit job’ #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Well he’s worked that out then!
    Next step is to decide who he thinks it is and then see if he has any serious dirt on them.

    I wonder whether at heart he is cut out for the brutal world of politics?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880

    It’s a decent rebuttal, but he deliberately missed the key point.

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer has a conflict of interest when his wife claims - as she must do as a non-dom - to be just passing through.

    As to the idea that she hopes to “go back to India to look after her parents when they are old”, it is risible.
    Can't she just domicile here until the sad day she needs to go back?

    EXACTLY
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436

    Philip Collins
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    Classic non-dom.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,147

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Perhaps the real problem with our housing market is the relative absence of natural disasters.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    Does it also depend on if you want a restaurant, or will be happy with a gastropub? My town of 17,000 has Indians, chinese, chippies, Italians etc. None that classy, but within 5 miles are at least three decent high end pubs. We also have an excellent Indian in an old Little Chef on the A36. It’s gone slightly downhill in the last few months, but it’s still a fantastic place to eat, with an emphasis on healthier Indian/Bangladeshi cuisine.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2022
    I knew I had read about this before...

    Raze, rebuild, repeat: why Japan knocks down its houses after 30 years - Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes become valueless over time
    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    51s
    Friday’s Times: Sunak fears revelations over wife are ‘hit job’ #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Well he’s worked that out then!
    Next step is to decide who he thinks it is and then see if he has any serious dirt on them.

    I wonder whether at heart he is cut out for the brutal world of politics?
    Well he made it be an mp then to cote. Must have some instincts?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,011
    If you spend more than half the year in the UK, you should pay UK taxes.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330

    It’s a decent rebuttal, but he deliberately missed the key point.

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer has a conflict of interest when his wife claims - as she must do as a non-dom - to be just passing through.

    As to the idea that she hopes to “go back to India to look after her parents when they are old”, it is risible.
    Can't she just domicile here until the sad day she needs to go back?

    EXACTLY
    Must be a good bet that that happens, if he has serious ambitions to be pm.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,142

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Andy_JS said:

    ""Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    With local elections less than a month away, how has polling changed since this cycle was last up in 2018?

    LAB: 39.0% (-0.1)
    CON: 34.8% (-6.7)
    LDM: 9.6% (+1.3)
    GRN: 5.3% (+2.6)
    UKIP/RFM: 3.6% (+0.3)
    Others: 7.7% (+2.6)"

    But doesn’t seem to be borne out by any “real life” results, local or by-election. Which suggests saying Labour is a lazy way of expressing opposition to the Govt. Doesn’t mean people will actually vote for them.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436
    Quote of the day:



    "With time the political class will decide to reduce trade barriers with Europe: they always do."

    Nick Macpherson
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,568

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    Where does she live most of the time? She was born in India to Indian parents. Perhaps she still feels Indian?
    It's perfectly reasonable to "feel" Indian and take up British citizenship. My mum did it and so many others do it too.
    She is a director of her father's investment firm - which is based in India, and may require Indian citizenship to hold - which she cannot do and get a British passport. She does appear to have extensive ties to India - the issue is not her, but her tone deaf husband.
    Part of the challenge of being a Chancellor (I would assume) should be creating an environment where more non doms want to 'dom', settling here and paying equitable but not ridiculously high taxes. To have his family do the exact opposite is just so way off the pace as to be ridiculous.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,798

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    I have this issue with refrigerated bread, which is problem for prepared sandwiches wherever they come from.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
    I want to question the Guardian on this.

    Most people in Tokyo live in apartments. Are these multi-family units all torn down after 30 years?

    It’s seems difficult to accredit,
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    incidentally I also agree on the roast beef and horseradish sandwich from M&S. It is succulent. My fave sandwich lunch is that plus the hoi sin wrap. Fucking genius

    I add just a bit of Kikkoman soy to the hoi sin wrap, or maybe - if I’m very daring - a dab of sriracha, but it is pretty much perfect

    You just can’t get this anywhere else in the world, with such reliability

    They are so good they have rendered picnics a little redundant (in terms of planning). Just bring booze and condiments, let M&S provide the sandwiches, fruit, ham, salami, juices
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054

    On thread

    Mike you are wrong on this point, the last polls will be published on Friday evening.
    The law only bans them on polling day and the day before.

    Thus Saturday will be the first day without polls and any campaigning will be banned too: no public rallies, no leaflets, nothing.

    So it's really just an extension of a common approach of limiting publicity on the day of, for some reason encompassing the day before as well?
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Full English is a fine meal at any time of day.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Full English is a fine meal at any time of day.
    Off to GB News for you....
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    FF43 said:

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    I have this issue with refrigerated bread, which is problem for prepared sandwiches wherever they come from.
    I find leaving the sandwich out of the fridge for about 20 mins fixes any issues with fridge bread and enhances the flavour of the fillings which almost always taste better at room temp.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,678
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    it’s that time of the decade when Simon Jenkins writes his Falklands article again

    “British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    The unsophisticated islanders desire to remain British of course irrelevant in his elite liberal eyes
    The British troops certainly had a sense of humour. They called the Falkland Islanders 'Stills'. Initially they called them 'Bennies' after Benny in Crossroads. The officers banned the use of the term Bennies so they called them Stills because they were 'Still Bennies'. Having had a slight work contact with the Falklands and also some soldiers who went there I think it is fair to say they aren't the brightest buttons in the box.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555
    edited April 2022

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are seriously and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,142
    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    There seems to be a Michelin starred restaurant about a mile from Nelson town centre:

    https://guide.michelin.com/gb/en/lancashire/fence/restaurant/white-swan

    Third best restaurant in Burnley:

    https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g6589956-d3135906-Reviews-The_White_Swan-Fence_Burnley_Lancashire_England.html
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,583
    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    By why now?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436
    edited April 2022
    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    He depth-charged his own prospects in less than 50mins when he stood up in the Commons in late March and delivered the most out of touch Budget in memory.

    Whilst energy and food crisis hammered middle england he waxed on about a mythical tax cut sometime near the next GE because he thought that is what the burghers of the 1922 wanted to hear.

    Everything else is a side dish.

    He has no one, absolutely no one to blame but his own arrogance and tin ear.

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436
    Just pouring down on his head tonight...



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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436

    kle4 said:


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    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    By why now?
    Good question.

    He is already in massively deep shit over the Budget, which is still playing out as the massive energy bills and NI costs land on doormats.

    Why is someone turning the knife exactly now?

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are serious and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



    Indeed and Parisian restaurants serving the reheated crap railed against the regulations to mark out what was prepared on site and what wasn't. Even at a basic bloody Nandos they grill the chicken on site, but in scores of Parisian restaurants (supposedly a global leader in cuisine) they were simply defrosting and microwaving pre-prepared dishes and serving them to unsuspecting punters.

    In London you can walk around and go to most reasonable looking restaurants and get something decent, if you know where to go it can range from decent to incredible even on a reasonable budget. In Paris I don't think this is possible any longer, especially not on a budget.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330

    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
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    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    By why now?
    Good question.

    He is already in massively deep shit over the Budget, which is still playing out as the massive energy bills and NI costs land on doormats.

    Why is someone turning the knife exactly now?

    Fall guy after the locals?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436
    "if only we could warm people's cold homes with Tory hot air"

    Thornberry.

    Not a bad line.

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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,142

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
    I want to question the Guardian on this.

    Most people in Tokyo live in apartments. Are these multi-family units all torn down after 30 years?

    It’s seems difficult to accredit,
    That does sound unlikely.

    But 'proper' houses in suburbia would be a different thing.

    I'd be interested in hearing from Edmund in Tokyo about this.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330

    "if only we could warm people's cold homes with Tory hot air"

    Thornberry.

    Not a bad line.

    Although she is not the best to be delivering it.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are seriously and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html

    The fact that the French affect to be shocked, and indeed pass laws to discourage it, should tell us something, though.

    In the UK no-one would be much surprised that their buffalo chicken strips did not come from a nearby agriturismo.

    While I’m at it, in France the waiters are often competent middle-aged people, suggesting the job retains some kind of status.

    In the UK, it tends to follow reflect class status. Posh restaurants in the sticks (a vineyard, say) often have posh kids doing the waiting, less posh places, less posh kids…
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900

    Just pouring down on his head tonight...



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    Poor LITTLE Sunak
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    Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
    I want to question the Guardian on this.

    Most people in Tokyo live in apartments. Are these multi-family units all torn down after 30 years?

    It’s seems difficult to accredit,
    That does sound unlikely.

    But 'proper' houses in suburbia would be a different thing.

    I'd be interested in hearing from Edmund in Tokyo about this.
    Tokyo prefecture stretches quite far out to the west into rural areas.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are seriously and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html

    The fact that the French affect to be shocked, and indeed pass laws to discourage it, should tell us something, though.

    In the UK no-one would be much surprised that their buffalo chicken strips did not come from a nearby agriturismo.

    While I’m at it, in France the waiters are often competent middle-aged people, suggesting the job retains some kind of status.

    In the UK, it tends to follow reflect class status. Posh restaurants in the sticks (a vineyard, say) often have posh kids doing the waiting, less posh places, less posh kids…
    Lol, talk about spinning it positively. It became an issue because restaurants were still trying to pass off the food as freshly prepared on site. No one in the UK believes that Spoons are doing anything other than microwaving the burgers and reheating some chips and if they tried to pretend otherwise we'd all have a good laugh about it.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    The Tories need a spell in opposition. Pretty obvious now. What a mess.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,459

    Just pouring down on his head tonight...



    Helena Wilkinson
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    Poor LITTLE Sunak
    Putin's LITTLE Helper?
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330
    Jonathan said:

    The Tories need a spell in opposition. Pretty obvious now. What a mess.

    Yes. Time has come, although sadly not yet.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    I do really like that about Greece, all of the restaurants have to mark out what is cooked from frozen, it just gives everyone notice of what not to bother ordering. I think we should bring the same rules in over here to encourage more fresh food.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are serious and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



    Indeed and Parisian restaurants serving the reheated crap railed against the regulations to mark out what was prepared on site and what wasn't. Even at a basic bloody Nandos they grill the chicken on site, but in scores of Parisian restaurants (supposedly a global leader in cuisine) they were simply defrosting and microwaving pre-prepared dishes and serving them to unsuspecting punters.

    In London you can walk around and go to most reasonable looking restaurants and get something decent, if you know where to go it can range from decent to incredible even on a reasonable budget. In Paris I don't think this is possible any longer, especially not on a budget.
    This is why i always, in France, go for the grand old brasseries, especially the ones with seafood - oysters and cockles and clams on display

    They make enough money they don’t need to overcharge and they are so big they can afford proper staff, And you can’t freeze a fucking oyster without ruining it

    Have oysters and fruits de mer than andouilettes with chips and mustard. Bottle of house red. Sorted. Proper Gallic Happiness

    I miss France
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,330
    MaxPB said:

    I do really like that about Greece, all of the restaurants have to mark out what is cooked from frozen, it just gives everyone notice of what not to bother ordering. I think we should bring the same rules in over here to encourage more fresh food.

    Although fresh will probably cost more, and for some food frozen can be better.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,143

    Pelosi has covid.

    Asymptomatic so far.

    Given that literally everyone in the whole world will get covid at some point (probably soon), these updates of so-and-so has covid seem rather passe these days. I mean I - Anabobazina - have covid, but I keep forgetting about it.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436

    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    1m
    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    By why now?
    Good question.

    He is already in massively deep shit over the Budget, which is still playing out as the massive energy bills and NI costs land on doormats.

    Why is someone turning the knife exactly now?

    Fall guy after the locals?
    Yes, I can see this. Being as Johnson is a shit.

    PM: "Well, we've, erm, erm, clearly, erm, erm, terrible night, erm, sad for councillors, erm, ah, ah, I once went to a council office. Decent canteen.

    Anyway, erm, we have listened to what the voters have, erm, said and in the words of Auxilliaric of Troy, I've decided "to throw my Chancellor into the river"

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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited April 2022
    tlg86 said:

    @Richard_Nabavi - was it appropriate to have Mark Carney as Governor of the Bank of England?

    (edited cos I misread the question!) Yes
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    MaxPB said:

    I do really like that about Greece, all of the restaurants have to mark out what is cooked from frozen, it just gives everyone notice of what not to bother ordering. I think we should bring the same rules in over here to encourage more fresh food.

    Although fresh will probably cost more, and for some food frozen can be better.
    Sure, but they can still order the frozen options. I'm not suggesting we get rid of them.
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