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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302

    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Well someone certainly is.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409
    edited April 2022
    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,359
    Leon said:

    it’s that time of the decade when Simon Jenkins writes his Falklands article again

    “British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    The unsophisticated islanders desire to remain British of course irrelevant in his elite liberal eyes
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736
    So is Woods a value bet for the masters?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,886

    Leon said:

    it’s that time of the decade when Simon Jenkins writes his Falklands article again

    “British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    He's boringly predictable when he writes about this sort of thing. Wonder why he bothers.
    Because he is now really quite old and he has totally run out of ideas. But he still wants the job

    The whole thing smacks of an elderly mad in a panic, staring at the empty laptop screen

    I actually sympathise with him (perhaps as I age!) but there comes a time when you put your columnifying ammunition into a box, and store it in the attic. He may be near that time, The Falklands, FFS
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,329


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    Hoping for some Jizz with Liz?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409
    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,025

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    Their coffee shops are lovely as well.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    Hoping for some Jizz with Liz?
    Euuww
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    Hoping for some Jizz with Liz?
    I thought Dom was team Sunak, failing the original Plan A of Gove?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,016

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    Sit down breakfast might be good in Nelson. Sit down lunch and dinner no.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,750

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    Isn't there a tradition in Japan where houses are not built to last more than a few decades, due to earthquakes? Hence all the wooden construction? If houses do not last as long, you will build more.

    So I was told during my course. I daresay someone will correct me...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,572
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    See, I don’t mind that.
    It’s up to her.

    It’s the the idea that - according to her declaration to HMRC - that she is “just passing through” which is an abomination.

    Or at least, it becomes so when you have several homes here, are raising a family here, have donated to the bloody school here, and your husband is launching a blitzkrieg on the poorest in society here as Chancellor or the freaking Exchequer here.
    I mind it because it speaks to something deeper and it puts a very big conflict of interest in the Sunak household.

    Firstly she lives here and has made a life here, she has kids who presumably are British citizens and her husband who is effectively second most powerful person in the country she has chosen to live in. The "just passing through" statement is a result of this, not some odd tax wheeze IMO.

    I hadn't realised until now that Rishi's wife was not a naturalised citizen, I'd assumed she was and had given up her Indian nationality as so many others do, mainly because having a British passport is such a huge upgrade on an Indian one, even for a billionaire. She also has legitimate non-tax related reasons to give up her Indian nationality, she lives here.

    Also, no one, not a single person keeps their Indian citizenship as part of a tax avoidance wheeze. It's a fucking headache and the Indian government revels in attempting to claim global taxation rights of its citizens, it's why everyone is so desperate to give up their citizenship as soon as they qualify for British nationality.

    Getting back to the point, given that Mrs Rishi is willing to live with all of the hassle that comes with having Indian citizenship rather than British citizenship it's fairly safe to assume she sees herself as Indian first, not British. I think that's a huge conflict of interest for the chancellor.
    Takes us back to the big question of principle that this government has tapdanced around since 2016 (after all, that's when this government coalesced as a coherent movement).

    Is the UK trying to become a place where the feet of global elite temporarily land?

    Or is Somewhereism where it's at?

    In theory, you can hold the two together, but it's jolly hard in practice.
  • On thread

    Mike you are wrong on this point, the last polls will be published on Friday evening.
    The law only bans them on polling day and the day before.

    Thus Saturday will be the first day without polls and any campaigning will be banned too: no public rallies, no leaflets, nothing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,025
    ""Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    With local elections less than a month away, how has polling changed since this cycle was last up in 2018?

    LAB: 39.0% (-0.1)
    CON: 34.8% (-6.7)
    LDM: 9.6% (+1.3)
    GRN: 5.3% (+2.6)
    UKIP/RFM: 3.6% (+0.3)
    Others: 7.7% (+2.6)"
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,245

    So is Woods a value bet for the masters?

    Probably not, it is a very hilly and demanding course to walk around for any player 40+, let alone one with his injury history.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    No, I am saying Team Boris is briefing against Sunak. And Sunak is Big Doms man, and every time Team Boris have prodded Big Dom hornet nest, he takes a bit dump on Boris.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,329

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,045
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    Where does she live most of the time? She was born in India to Indian parents. Perhaps she still feels Indian?
    It's perfectly reasonable to "feel" Indian and take up British citizenship. My mum did it and so many others do it too.

    That's what's been bugging me more than anything else, if Rishi's wife doesn't see herself as actually British despite living here for years, that's a much bigger problem than a few tax issues. The chancellor is married to a foreign citizen who, when it comes down to it, won't have Britain's best interests at heart. There's a huge conflict of interest there.
    I don't see that at all.This isn't America. We vote for a person not a couple and I couldn't care less who the Chancellor is married to or their sex or whether they're married at all. This is getting a little weird
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    The M&S on the corner of Fenchurch Street has got a great little hot food bit downstairs. You can get a half chicken, some kind of grain and salad for about £7 and it's both tasty and filling while being pretty good value for the area. The queue has become pretty horrendous lately though so I'm having to go earlier and earlier.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    No, its Team Boris doing it. I meant Sunak is Big Doms man, and every time Team Boris have prodded Big Dom hornet nest, he takes a bit dump on Boris.
    So why not just move him or replace him? He has the power surely? Or is this the warming up phase?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    I might be wrong on this, but I think that stat might be a bit misleading....I believe for cultural and tax reasons, in Japan very common not to do major renovations, rather to just knock down homes (especially when somebody dies) and rebuild i.e. they aren't expanding the housing stock when they do so.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,245

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    Bizarrely Boots sandwiches are also pretty good, and excellent value in their meal deal. Not sure why.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,750

    MaxPB said:

    #BREAKING Situation in Borodianka near Kiev is "much more horrific" than in Bucha, says Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1512165927563018240

    Mauripol is going to be a genocide up there with the worst in recent history isn't it.
    One hopes not.

    I am a little squeamish about the genocide word. I think some of the rhetoric has been genocidal, and I’ve read that genocide-guy’s tweet, but to me genocide has to be systematic and I’m not sure this has been.

    It’s still a barbaric war crime though and Putin should be on trial.

    I see he has admitted to suffering serious losses today, which is interesting.
    Hmm, a systematic extermination of Ukrainians seems to be what's happening in parts of Ukraine at the moment.
    I don’t want to get into an argument about it, and I admit I don’t follow this closely on Twitter etc, but I disagree.

    What we see is the Russian army and low-discipline soldiers doing their shabby, brutal, murderous thing.
    Germany intelligence have incepted radio communications that say the opposite.

    The radio traffic intercepted by the BND makes it seem as though the atrocities perpetrated on civilians in Bucha were neither random acts nor the product of individual soldiers who got out of hand.

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/possible-evidence-of-russian-atrocities-german-intelligence-intercepts-radio-traffic-discussing-the-murder-of-civilians-in-bucha-a-0a191c96-634f-4d07-8c5c-c4a772315b0d

    Low level soldiers were replaced by Wagner Group and Chechens with a particular purpose in mind.
    A good indication is whether the country publicly says the actions are wrong. That their troops abusing civilians is wrong; that it recognises what 'civilians' are. That troops breaking the rule of law will be prosecuted.

    Is Russia saying that, or is it saying that *anyone* who looks at them oddly in the street is a Nazi, and can therefore be raped, abused and/or murdered?
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Just read it. Not a bad effort actually.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302

    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Times: Sunak fears revelations over wife are ‘hit job’ #tomorrowspaperstoday
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
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    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Fight....fight...fight...fight....I am not going to be shocked if Big Dom drops another smelly shit.
    If it’s Dom, who is he doing it for?
    No, its Team Boris doing it. I meant Sunak is Big Doms man, and every time Team Boris have prodded Big Dom hornet nest, he takes a bit dump on Boris.
    So why not just move him or replace him? He has the power surely? Or is this the warming up phase?
    Because Boris needs to sure up his own position and very helpful if the younger better looking bloke leadership ambitions are severely damaged.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736


    Helena Wilkinson
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    Friday’s Times: Sunak fears revelations over wife are ‘hit job’ #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Well he’s worked that out then!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409
    It’s a decent rebuttal, but he deliberately missed the key point.

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer has a conflict of interest when his wife claims - as she must do as a non-dom - to be just passing through.

    As to the idea that she hopes to “go back to India to look after her parents when they are old”, it is risible.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,886

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302

    It’s a decent rebuttal, but he deliberately missed the key point.

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer has a conflict of interest when his wife claims - as she must do as a non-dom - to be just passing through.

    As to the idea that she hopes to “go back to India to look after her parents when they are old”, it is risible.
    Can't she just domicile here until the sad day she needs to go back?

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Times: Sunak fears revelations over wife are ‘hit job’ #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Well he’s worked that out then!
    Next step is to decide who he thinks it is and then see if he has any serious dirt on them.

    I wonder whether at heart he is cut out for the brutal world of politics?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409
    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409

    It’s a decent rebuttal, but he deliberately missed the key point.

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer has a conflict of interest when his wife claims - as she must do as a non-dom - to be just passing through.

    As to the idea that she hopes to “go back to India to look after her parents when they are old”, it is risible.
    Can't she just domicile here until the sad day she needs to go back?

    EXACTLY
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302

    Philip Collins
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    Classic non-dom.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,601

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Perhaps the real problem with our housing market is the relative absence of natural disasters.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    Does it also depend on if you want a restaurant, or will be happy with a gastropub? My town of 17,000 has Indians, chinese, chippies, Italians etc. None that classy, but within 5 miles are at least three decent high end pubs. We also have an excellent Indian in an old Little Chef on the A36. It’s gone slightly downhill in the last few months, but it’s still a fantastic place to eat, with an emphasis on healthier Indian/Bangladeshi cuisine.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited April 2022
    I knew I had read about this before...

    Raze, rebuild, repeat: why Japan knocks down its houses after 30 years - Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes become valueless over time
    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    51s
    Friday’s Times: Sunak fears revelations over wife are ‘hit job’ #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Well he’s worked that out then!
    Next step is to decide who he thinks it is and then see if he has any serious dirt on them.

    I wonder whether at heart he is cut out for the brutal world of politics?
    Well he made it be an mp then to cote. Must have some instincts?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,025
    If you spend more than half the year in the UK, you should pay UK taxes.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736

    It’s a decent rebuttal, but he deliberately missed the key point.

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer has a conflict of interest when his wife claims - as she must do as a non-dom - to be just passing through.

    As to the idea that she hopes to “go back to India to look after her parents when they are old”, it is risible.
    Can't she just domicile here until the sad day she needs to go back?

    EXACTLY
    Must be a good bet that that happens, if he has serious ambitions to be pm.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,846

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Andy_JS said:

    ""Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    With local elections less than a month away, how has polling changed since this cycle was last up in 2018?

    LAB: 39.0% (-0.1)
    CON: 34.8% (-6.7)
    LDM: 9.6% (+1.3)
    GRN: 5.3% (+2.6)
    UKIP/RFM: 3.6% (+0.3)
    Others: 7.7% (+2.6)"

    But doesn’t seem to be borne out by any “real life” results, local or by-election. Which suggests saying Labour is a lazy way of expressing opposition to the Govt. Doesn’t mean people will actually vote for them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302
    Quote of the day:



    "With time the political class will decide to reduce trade barriers with Europe: they always do."

    Nick Macpherson
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,072

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    What's most interesting about this is that Rishi's wife must not have taken up British citizenship. I find that a truly odd decision.

    Where does she live most of the time? She was born in India to Indian parents. Perhaps she still feels Indian?
    It's perfectly reasonable to "feel" Indian and take up British citizenship. My mum did it and so many others do it too.
    She is a director of her father's investment firm - which is based in India, and may require Indian citizenship to hold - which she cannot do and get a British passport. She does appear to have extensive ties to India - the issue is not her, but her tone deaf husband.
    Part of the challenge of being a Chancellor (I would assume) should be creating an environment where more non doms want to 'dom', settling here and paying equitable but not ridiculously high taxes. To have his family do the exact opposite is just so way off the pace as to be ridiculous.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,319

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    I have this issue with refrigerated bread, which is problem for prepared sandwiches wherever they come from.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,656


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
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    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
    I want to question the Guardian on this.

    Most people in Tokyo live in apartments. Are these multi-family units all torn down after 30 years?

    It’s seems difficult to accredit,
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,886

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    incidentally I also agree on the roast beef and horseradish sandwich from M&S. It is succulent. My fave sandwich lunch is that plus the hoi sin wrap. Fucking genius

    I add just a bit of Kikkoman soy to the hoi sin wrap, or maybe - if I’m very daring - a dab of sriracha, but it is pretty much perfect

    You just can’t get this anywhere else in the world, with such reliability

    They are so good they have rendered picnics a little redundant (in terms of planning). Just bring booze and condiments, let M&S provide the sandwiches, fruit, ham, salami, juices
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,656

    On thread

    Mike you are wrong on this point, the last polls will be published on Friday evening.
    The law only bans them on polling day and the day before.

    Thus Saturday will be the first day without polls and any campaigning will be banned too: no public rallies, no leaflets, nothing.

    So it's really just an extension of a common approach of limiting publicity on the day of, for some reason encompassing the day before as well?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Full English is a fine meal at any time of day.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Full English is a fine meal at any time of day.
    Off to GB News for you....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232
    FF43 said:

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    I have this issue with refrigerated bread, which is problem for prepared sandwiches wherever they come from.
    I find leaving the sandwich out of the fridge for about 20 mins fixes any issues with fridge bread and enhances the flavour of the fillings which almost always taste better at room temp.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,009
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    it’s that time of the decade when Simon Jenkins writes his Falklands article again

    “British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    The unsophisticated islanders desire to remain British of course irrelevant in his elite liberal eyes
    The British troops certainly had a sense of humour. They called the Falkland Islanders 'Stills'. Initially they called them 'Bennies' after Benny in Crossroads. The officers banned the use of the term Bennies so they called them Stills because they were 'Still Bennies'. Having had a slight work contact with the Falklands and also some soldiers who went there I think it is fair to say they aren't the brightest buttons in the box.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,886
    edited April 2022

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are seriously and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,846
    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    There seems to be a Michelin starred restaurant about a mile from Nelson town centre:

    https://guide.michelin.com/gb/en/lancashire/fence/restaurant/white-swan

    Third best restaurant in Burnley:

    https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g6589956-d3135906-Reviews-The_White_Swan-Fence_Burnley_Lancashire_England.html
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,572
    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    1m
    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    By why now?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302
    edited April 2022
    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    1m
    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    He depth-charged his own prospects in less than 50mins when he stood up in the Commons in late March and delivered the most out of touch Budget in memory.

    Whilst energy and food crisis hammered middle england he waxed on about a mythical tax cut sometime near the next GE because he thought that is what the burghers of the 1922 wanted to hear.

    Everything else is a side dish.

    He has no one, absolutely no one to blame but his own arrogance and tin ear.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302
    Just pouring down on his head tonight...



    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    38s
    Friday’s i: Sunak vetoed extra help on energy bills #tomorrowspaperstoday
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302

    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    1m
    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    By why now?
    Good question.

    He is already in massively deep shit over the Budget, which is still playing out as the massive energy bills and NI costs land on doormats.

    Why is someone turning the knife exactly now?

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are serious and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



    Indeed and Parisian restaurants serving the reheated crap railed against the regulations to mark out what was prepared on site and what wasn't. Even at a basic bloody Nandos they grill the chicken on site, but in scores of Parisian restaurants (supposedly a global leader in cuisine) they were simply defrosting and microwaving pre-prepared dishes and serving them to unsuspecting punters.

    In London you can walk around and go to most reasonable looking restaurants and get something decent, if you know where to go it can range from decent to incredible even on a reasonable budget. In Paris I don't think this is possible any longer, especially not on a budget.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736

    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    1m
    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    By why now?
    Good question.

    He is already in massively deep shit over the Budget, which is still playing out as the massive energy bills and NI costs land on doormats.

    Why is someone turning the knife exactly now?

    Fall guy after the locals?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302
    "if only we could warm people's cold homes with Tory hot air"

    Thornberry.

    Not a bad line.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,846

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
    I want to question the Guardian on this.

    Most people in Tokyo live in apartments. Are these multi-family units all torn down after 30 years?

    It’s seems difficult to accredit,
    That does sound unlikely.

    But 'proper' houses in suburbia would be a different thing.

    I'd be interested in hearing from Edmund in Tokyo about this.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736

    "if only we could warm people's cold homes with Tory hot air"

    Thornberry.

    Not a bad line.

    Although she is not the best to be delivering it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are seriously and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html

    The fact that the French affect to be shocked, and indeed pass laws to discourage it, should tell us something, though.

    In the UK no-one would be much surprised that their buffalo chicken strips did not come from a nearby agriturismo.

    While I’m at it, in France the waiters are often competent middle-aged people, suggesting the job retains some kind of status.

    In the UK, it tends to follow reflect class status. Posh restaurants in the sticks (a vineyard, say) often have posh kids doing the waiting, less posh places, less posh kids…
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,739

    Just pouring down on his head tonight...



    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    38s
    Friday’s i: Sunak vetoed extra help on energy bills #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Poor LITTLE Sunak
  • Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
    I want to question the Guardian on this.

    Most people in Tokyo live in apartments. Are these multi-family units all torn down after 30 years?

    It’s seems difficult to accredit,
    That does sound unlikely.

    But 'proper' houses in suburbia would be a different thing.

    I'd be interested in hearing from Edmund in Tokyo about this.
    Tokyo prefecture stretches quite far out to the west into rural areas.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are seriously and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html

    The fact that the French affect to be shocked, and indeed pass laws to discourage it, should tell us something, though.

    In the UK no-one would be much surprised that their buffalo chicken strips did not come from a nearby agriturismo.

    While I’m at it, in France the waiters are often competent middle-aged people, suggesting the job retains some kind of status.

    In the UK, it tends to follow reflect class status. Posh restaurants in the sticks (a vineyard, say) often have posh kids doing the waiting, less posh places, less posh kids…
    Lol, talk about spinning it positively. It became an issue because restaurants were still trying to pass off the food as freshly prepared on site. No one in the UK believes that Spoons are doing anything other than microwaving the burgers and reheating some chips and if they tried to pretend otherwise we'd all have a good laugh about it.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,722
    The Tories need a spell in opposition. Pretty obvious now. What a mess.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,249

    Just pouring down on his head tonight...



    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    38s
    Friday’s i: Sunak vetoed extra help on energy bills #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Poor LITTLE Sunak
    Putin's LITTLE Helper?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736
    Jonathan said:

    The Tories need a spell in opposition. Pretty obvious now. What a mess.

    Yes. Time has come, although sadly not yet.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232
    I do really like that about Greece, all of the restaurants have to mark out what is cooked from frozen, it just gives everyone notice of what not to bother ordering. I think we should bring the same rules in over here to encourage more fresh food.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,886
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are serious and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



    Indeed and Parisian restaurants serving the reheated crap railed against the regulations to mark out what was prepared on site and what wasn't. Even at a basic bloody Nandos they grill the chicken on site, but in scores of Parisian restaurants (supposedly a global leader in cuisine) they were simply defrosting and microwaving pre-prepared dishes and serving them to unsuspecting punters.

    In London you can walk around and go to most reasonable looking restaurants and get something decent, if you know where to go it can range from decent to incredible even on a reasonable budget. In Paris I don't think this is possible any longer, especially not on a budget.
    This is why i always, in France, go for the grand old brasseries, especially the ones with seafood - oysters and cockles and clams on display

    They make enough money they don’t need to overcharge and they are so big they can afford proper staff, And you can’t freeze a fucking oyster without ruining it

    Have oysters and fruits de mer than andouilettes with chips and mustard. Bottle of house red. Sorted. Proper Gallic Happiness

    I miss France
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736
    MaxPB said:

    I do really like that about Greece, all of the restaurants have to mark out what is cooked from frozen, it just gives everyone notice of what not to bother ordering. I think we should bring the same rules in over here to encourage more fresh food.

    Although fresh will probably cost more, and for some food frozen can be better.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Pelosi has covid.

    Asymptomatic so far.

    Given that literally everyone in the whole world will get covid at some point (probably soon), these updates of so-and-so has covid seem rather passe these days. I mean I - Anabobazina - have covid, but I keep forgetting about it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,302

    kle4 said:


    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    1m
    Friday’s Daily Telegraph: Sunak allies claim No10 is undermining Chancellor #tomorrowspaperstoday

    They've been doing that for months. He only cares now because it is working.
    By why now?
    Good question.

    He is already in massively deep shit over the Budget, which is still playing out as the massive energy bills and NI costs land on doormats.

    Why is someone turning the knife exactly now?

    Fall guy after the locals?
    Yes, I can see this. Being as Johnson is a shit.

    PM: "Well, we've, erm, erm, clearly, erm, erm, terrible night, erm, sad for councillors, erm, ah, ah, I once went to a council office. Decent canteen.

    Anyway, erm, we have listened to what the voters have, erm, said and in the words of Auxilliaric of Troy, I've decided "to throw my Chancellor into the river"

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited April 2022
    tlg86 said:

    @Richard_Nabavi - was it appropriate to have Mark Carney as Governor of the Bank of England?

    (edited cos I misread the question!) Yes
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232

    MaxPB said:

    I do really like that about Greece, all of the restaurants have to mark out what is cooked from frozen, it just gives everyone notice of what not to bother ordering. I think we should bring the same rules in over here to encourage more fresh food.

    Although fresh will probably cost more, and for some food frozen can be better.
    Sure, but they can still order the frozen options. I'm not suggesting we get rid of them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736

    Pelosi has covid.

    Asymptomatic so far.

    Given that literally everyone in the whole world will get covid at some point (probably soon), these updates of so-and-so has covid seem rather passe these days. I mean I - Anabobazina - have covid, but I keep forgetting about it.
    Just had an email from one of my students who has just tested positive, so he’s shafted now until after Easter. Still not tested positive personally, but I’ve never been much for testing (about eight times in total). I guess my time will come.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587

    Foxy said:

    Fun fact I just read on Twitter.
    Tokyo builds more houses each year than the whole UK does, tho UK is 4x bigger.

    House prices in Tokyo haven’t moved in 25 years.

    With their deflation, declining population and stagnant economy that surely is to be expected.
    Strange that they build so much, then.
    (Yes I know they build differently).
    Very differently:

    In the end, most of these prefabricated houses – and indeed most houses in Japan – have a lifespan of only about 30 years.

    Unlike in other countries, Japanese homes gradually depreciate over time, becoming completely valueless within 20 or 30 years.


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution#:~:text=In the end, most of,within 20 or 30 years.
    I want to question the Guardian on this.

    Most people in Tokyo live in apartments. Are these multi-family units all torn down after 30 years?

    It’s seems difficult to accredit,
    Calling EdwardInTokyo...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409
    edited April 2022
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are serious and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



    Indeed and Parisian restaurants serving the reheated crap railed against the regulations to mark out what was prepared on site and what wasn't. Even at a basic bloody Nandos they grill the chicken on site, but in scores of Parisian restaurants (supposedly a global leader in cuisine) they were simply defrosting and microwaving pre-prepared dishes and serving them to unsuspecting punters.

    In London you can walk around and go to most reasonable looking restaurants and get something decent, if you know where to go it can range from decent to incredible even on a reasonable budget. In Paris I don't think this is possible any longer, especially not on a budget.
    This is why i always, in France, go for the grand old brasseries, especially the ones with seafood - oysters and cockles and clams on display

    They make enough money they don’t need to overcharge and they are so big they can afford proper staff, And you can’t freeze a fucking oyster without ruining it

    Have oysters and fruits de mer than andouilettes with chips and mustard. Bottle of house red. Sorted. Proper Gallic Happiness

    I miss France
    Hmm.

    Seems we have pretty much identical tastes, at least as regarding brasserie food.

    You can get andouillette - or you could before the pandemic - at Brasserie Zedel Near Piccadilly Circus.

    (Weeps tears of food nostalgia).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    No. Labourites are fine with rich and posh people. As long as they are Labourites. People from the same background who support other parties are scum.
    More reverse genius from you on the very same day you made the case for a privatised railway with an exemplar that was - er - a nationalised railway. Bad day at the office. Tomorrow is another day.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,249

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    Bizarrely Boots sandwiches are also pretty good, and excellent value in their meal deal. Not sure why.
    Boots seem to be closing some of their branches. Such as the one in Ilford North (Barkingside), and another in Westminster (of all places).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,249

    Devenir Gris

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,025
    MaxPB said:

    I do really like that about Greece, all of the restaurants have to mark out what is cooked from frozen, it just gives everyone notice of what not to bother ordering. I think we should bring the same rules in over here to encourage more fresh food.

    Didn't know this. Interesting idea.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,736

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    Bizarrely Boots sandwiches are also pretty good, and excellent value in their meal deal. Not sure why.
    Boots seem to be closing some of their branches. Such as the one in Ilford North (Barkingside), and another in Westminster (of all places).
    That may be related to changes in the pharmacy side of the business. I think home delivery for prescriptions is biting for some places.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,329

    One of the true and legitimate wonders of the UK is M&S.

    You can get a hoisin duck wrap or a roast beef and horseradish sandwich of v good quality the length and breadth of the land, and I don’t think this is true of any other country I’ve been to.

    Bizarrely Boots sandwiches are also pretty good, and excellent value in their meal deal. Not sure why.
    The other week at Leeds station I discovered that the Boots meal deal was cheaper than the Sainsbury's version. Tasty sandwich, and it's closer to the ticket barrier.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,440

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    The question I'm not musing on is how far up the greasy pole someone in Sunak's position can ascend without it looking awful.

    Before the just passing through comment, I suspect Cabinet-but-not-to-do-with-money. Skin in the game and all that.

    But if Mr S is tied to Mrs S (and I hope so) and Mrs S sees herself tied to India more than Britain, then sorry Rishi, you don't get to run the country, because of the likelihood of you going somewhere else. It's not a major deprivation; lots of people who want to be MPs and ministers don't get the chance either.

    Someone must have known the facts of this all along. And the political consequences are obvious. What the hell were the Conservatives thinking?
    That they can get away with it. Because fan boys will always find obscure reasons, like critics are being racist, or sexist, or trying to steal Indian taxes.
    Trying to steal Indian taxes is a great one.

    Once you see that, you realise that the poster is basically a malevolent idiot.
    I don’t think I’m a malevolent idiot, but I’m just raising arguments against yours. You believe it’s untenable, I don’t. I think it may harm his electoral prospects. And that may mean he won’t get to be pm. Fine. But please don’t just insult someone for having a different viewpoint, or even just raising possible points. Otherwise a discussion never happens.
    Did you claim that if Ms Murty were to regularise her status in the UK it would deprive India of taxes?

    I don’t see it in this nested thread.

    If you did, perhaps elsewhere, them I’m afraid I stand by my point. It’s a gratuitously bad faith argument to make.
    I did claim that, but I am not well versed in tax affairs. Is your case that she should pay twice? In the U.K. and in India?
    I wonder how much tax she does actually pay in India on her Indian income. Or might we find that affairs have been arranged so that little or none is paid there either?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are serious and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



    Indeed and Parisian restaurants serving the reheated crap railed against the regulations to mark out what was prepared on site and what wasn't. Even at a basic bloody Nandos they grill the chicken on site, but in scores of Parisian restaurants (supposedly a global leader in cuisine) they were simply defrosting and microwaving pre-prepared dishes and serving them to unsuspecting punters.

    In London you can walk around and go to most reasonable looking restaurants and get something decent, if you know where to go it can range from decent to incredible even on a reasonable budget. In Paris I don't think this is possible any longer, especially not on a budget.
    This is why i always, in France, go for the grand old brasseries, especially the ones with seafood - oysters and cockles and clams on display

    They make enough money they don’t need to overcharge and they are so big they can afford proper staff, And you can’t freeze a fucking oyster without ruining it

    Have oysters and fruits de mer than andouilettes with chips and mustard. Bottle of house red. Sorted. Proper Gallic Happiness

    I miss France
    Hmm.

    Seems we have pretty much identical tastes, at least as regarding brasserie food.

    You can get andouillette - or you could before the pandemic - at Brasserie Zedel Near Piccadilly Circus.

    (Weeps tears of food nostalgia).
    How's the food in NYC atm, I've heard from colleagues that it's back to pre-pandemic levels and lots of new places have started appearing again.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,329

    Just pouring down on his head tonight...



    Helena Wilkinson
    @BBCHelena
    ·
    38s
    Friday’s i: Sunak vetoed extra help on energy bills #tomorrowspaperstoday

    Martin Callanan pointed the finger in the Lords today. Said that they wanted to do more on energy efficiency but were blocked by the Treasury.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,409
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @Leon you are right about the M&S sandwiches, we posted the same thing at the same time.

    But, no, you can’t just pull into, say Nelson in Lancashire, and expect to find a decent “sit-down” meal.

    Whereas in my experience in provincial France you can.
    Provided it’s at the right time of day!

    I’ve never even heard of Nelson. On investigation it’s a tiny town of 30k people

    I agree that in this situation you will maybe do better in Italy or even France, but how many people live in or need to eat in, towns of that size??

    Moreover, due to Britain being so densely populated, you will nearly always be near a larger town ten minutes away, which will have all you need

    According to TripAdvisor this is the best resto in Nelson, and this is their menu

    https://www.acecentre.co.uk/site_assets/files/ACE Bistro Menu - Jan20 (web).pdf

    That’s quite tolerable. I’d have the haddock fish cake and then the lamb skewers. For 12 quid

    Nelson also has a Chinese. Which will probably be serviceable. I bet the French town of 30k people does not
    You and I both know that that menu screams frozen bought in stuff to reheat or fry up.

    But good selection, probably the only real option. Unless you make in time for the full English breakfast.
    Are you so silly you don’t think most French bistros buy in frozen shit and do exactly the same? Do you really believe that cute French resto in a town of 30,000 people has a team of cheap labourers (in France! Lol) slicing the shallots and reducing the jus?

    It is such a problem in France they have had to bring in laws to mark out the places that don’t do this

    You are serious and oddly naive

    “Earlier this week, top French chef Xavier Denamur claimed that three-quarters of meals served in French restaurants, brasseries and cafes are shipped from a factory and microwaved. It's not the first time in recent years that the once untouchable French Restaurant has taken a good bashing.”

    https://www.independent.ie/life/precooked-microwaved-and-very-expensive-31148329.html



    Indeed and Parisian restaurants serving the reheated crap railed against the regulations to mark out what was prepared on site and what wasn't. Even at a basic bloody Nandos they grill the chicken on site, but in scores of Parisian restaurants (supposedly a global leader in cuisine) they were simply defrosting and microwaving pre-prepared dishes and serving them to unsuspecting punters.

    In London you can walk around and go to most reasonable looking restaurants and get something decent, if you know where to go it can range from decent to incredible even on a reasonable budget. In Paris I don't think this is possible any longer, especially not on a budget.
    This is why i always, in France, go for the grand old brasseries, especially the ones with seafood - oysters and cockles and clams on display

    They make enough money they don’t need to overcharge and they are so big they can afford proper staff, And you can’t freeze a fucking oyster without ruining it

    Have oysters and fruits de mer than andouilettes with chips and mustard. Bottle of house red. Sorted. Proper Gallic Happiness

    I miss France
    Hmm.

    Seems we have pretty much identical tastes, at least as regarding brasserie food.

    You can get andouillette - or you could before the pandemic - at Brasserie Zedel Near Piccadilly Circus.

    (Weeps tears of food nostalgia).
    How's the food in NYC atm, I've heard from colleagues that it's back to pre-pandemic levels and lots of new places have started appearing again.
    Unimpressive so far.

    Yes, restaurants have opened back up properly. But downtown is still at 40% pre-pandemic occupancy, last I looked.

    Admittedly I’ve had little time for proper dining.
    A lot of family restaurant stuff; all that exciting stuff is ahead of you.

    I miss pubs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,359
    edited April 2022
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    it’s that time of the decade when Simon Jenkins writes his Falklands article again

    “British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    The unsophisticated islanders desire to remain British of course irrelevant in his elite liberal eyes
    The British troops certainly had a sense of humour. They called the Falkland Islanders 'Stills'. Initially they called them 'Bennies' after Benny in Crossroads. The officers banned the use of the term Bennies so they called them Stills because they were 'Still Bennies'. Having had a slight work contact with the Falklands and also some soldiers who went there I think it is fair to say they aren't the brightest buttons in the box.
    So what, they still want to remain British and we have an obligation to ensure they remain British. No matter the sneers of the British liberal elites and the desires of the Argentine government
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Pelosi has covid.

    Asymptomatic so far.

    Given that literally everyone in the whole world will get covid at some point (probably soon), these updates of so-and-so has covid seem rather passe these days. I mean I - Anabobazina - have covid, but I keep forgetting about it.
    Just had an email from one of my students who has just tested positive, so he’s shafted now until after Easter. Still not tested positive personally, but I’ve never been much for testing (about eight times in total). I guess my time will come.
    Only while he has symptoms. And while you have symptoms you won’t much want to go to work/college anyway. When you feel better, you can go out.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,978
    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    If the Sunak-Murtys have “no firm plans” to stay in Britain, will Sunak please resign and just fuck off?

    He has no moral right to impose taxation on the British people, let alone the very poorest, whom he seems to have chosen to punish.

    Can only a poor person govern now? Have we come to this?
    I still can't see the traction in this given that he is a tory - this is what they do, and people still vote for them anyway. The scheme is lawful, and organised by the government.
    And, as far as I can tell, Labour don't want to get rid of non dom status.
    I should bloody well hope not. That really would be cutting off our noses to spite our feet.

    Most of the commentary about non-dom status has been extremely ill-informed, but in the particular case of Mrs Sunak that is irrelevant, it's politically a non-starter to have someone in Rishi's position as party leader.
    OR as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    The question I'm not musing on is how far up the greasy pole someone in Sunak's position can ascend without it looking awful.

    Before the just passing through comment, I suspect Cabinet-but-not-to-do-with-money. Skin in the game and all that.

    But if Mr S is tied to Mrs S (and I hope so) and Mrs S sees herself tied to India more than Britain, then sorry Rishi, you don't get to run the country, because of the likelihood of you going somewhere else. It's not a major deprivation; lots of people who want to be MPs and ministers don't get the chance either.

    Someone must have known the facts of this all along. And the political consequences are obvious. What the hell were the Conservatives thinking?
    That they can get away with it. Because fan boys will always find obscure reasons, like critics are being racist, or sexist, or trying to steal Indian taxes.
    Trying to steal Indian taxes is a great one.

    Once you see that, you realise that the poster is basically a malevolent idiot.
    I don’t think I’m a malevolent idiot, but I’m just raising arguments against yours. You believe it’s untenable, I don’t. I think it may harm his electoral prospects. And that may mean he won’t get to be pm. Fine. But please don’t just insult someone for having a different viewpoint, or even just raising possible points. Otherwise a discussion never happens.
    Did you claim that if Ms Murty were to regularise her status in the UK it would deprive India of taxes?

    I don’t see it in this nested thread.

    If you did, perhaps elsewhere, them I’m afraid I stand by my point. It’s a gratuitously bad faith argument to make.
    I did claim that, but I am not well versed in tax affairs. Is your case that she should pay twice? In the U.K. and in India?
    I wonder how much tax she does actually pay in India on her Indian income. Or might we find that affairs have been arranged so that little or none is paid there either?
    It's possible. I'm not usually one for blaming the system but I doubt she is anything out of the ordinary amongst the very wealthy. How long has she been living here? A good few years I assume. If she isn't a British citizen does she have settled status? How can she be non-domiciled? That's absurd.
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