The first findings from the Grey report don’t look good for Johnson – politicalbetting.com
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Sir Robert Buckland asking Boris to be serious !!!!!0
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He’s a slippery bastardCarlottaVance said:Johnson backtracks on commitment to publish report in full.
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He is going to try and not publish the full report.
I think his inability to commit to that could be the end.3 -
I wonder how close some Cabinet ministers are to breaking ranks.1
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BoE making a decision on Thursday which will affect the price of everything.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?0 -
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Big mistake. An admission they don't care what happened, only that it is hurting polling. So he can behave however he likes so long as they don't get blowback from it.Slackbladder said:
Thats a clear, we'll kick you out after the May elections if you don't buck up..Big_G_NorthWales said:Sir Bernard Jenkins puts him on a few months notice
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What did Buckland say? Useless Five Live went back to the studio.0
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Nope it requires 54 Tory MPs with a backbone and a disregard to their political careers if 54 letters aren't rapidly reached.Burgessian said:This exchange with Mark Harper sounds significant as to whether there will be 54 letters or not. The response must surely have increased the odds that the letters are going in.
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You are, I think, not watching this.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?
It’s a PMQs for the ages.4 -
The tone of the Tory backbenches is very much 'Boris gets one last chance'. This is over.0
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Another Tory calls for full publication0
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Sunak missed the ideal opportunity over the weekend.Chris said:I wonder how close some Cabinet ministers are to breaking ranks.
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Yes, I agree. That will surely put some MPs over the edge.bigjohnowls said:He is going to try and not publish the full report.
I think his inability to commit to that could be the end.2 -
He denies the flat party again.0
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PM now refusing to say whether he was present in his own flat for a gathering on Nov 13 - which is being investigated by police.
This feels like the trickiest issue for him. He has previously said no party occurred - and is still standing by that denial
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Really doesn’t look like a PM with massive amounts of party support2
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He’s a slippery bastardCarlottaVance said:Johnson backtracks on commitment to publish report in full.
I agreebigjohnowls said:He is going to try and not publish the full report.
I think his inability to commit to that could be the end.
If I were a Tory backbencher, that would be crucial as to whether I’d put my letter in.0 -
I wonder if this brief report will turn out to have been an error?
He's getting a kicking here. He'd have got one for the full report too.
But then it would have been over.0 -
Sunak kept the NI increase in place that Boris probably wanted scrapped (even though he was the person who first announced it).FrancisUrquhart said:
Sunak missed the ideal opportunity over the weekend.Chris said:I wonder how close some Cabinet ministers are to breaking ranks.
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Even Jacob Rees looked completely incredulous when Bozza told Jakey's good mate Jess P to "wait" when she simply asked him whether he was at the 13 Nov do.
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There would also have been people in their 40s, 50s etc dying with one or both parents still alive. Even including those, 100k seems far too high.Nigelb said:
Did he mean children burying their parents, and misspeak ?IshmaelZ said:Davey - What? 100ks of parents burying their children? Obv even one is too many, but that is barking
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Please today of all days don't give Leon the oxygen. He's on another island but could be on another planet.Gardenwalker said:
You are, I think, not watching this.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?
It’s a PMQs for the ages.4 -
I think now is ideal timing. Best if several go together. There would then be 54 letters guaranteed and he would be a goner.FrancisUrquhart said:
Sunak missed the ideal opportunity over the weekend.Chris said:I wonder how close some Cabinet ministers are to breaking ranks.
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I think theres a decent chance of that. It's why the moment for a challenge was when people riled up. The tories might not recover with time, but the public wont remain as interested in these things as us.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?0 -
The problem Leon is that he is not suitable to hold the office of PM. Simples. He needs to get back into showbiz and scre*ing single and married women. He cannot and is unwilling to take any responsibility; we have seen that numerous times both in politics and his personal life. He's really not a very nice man. Worst PM of my lifetime for sure, probably of all time.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?2 -
The letters are anonymous aren't they?eek said:
Nope it requires 54 Tory MPs with a backbone and a disregard to their political careers if 54 letters aren't rapidly reached.Burgessian said:This exchange with Mark Harper sounds significant as to whether there will be 54 letters or not. The response must surely have increased the odds that the letters are going in.
It isn't going to happen.1 -
Not really it merely puts us where we should have been in December.JBriskin3 said:
BoE making a decision on Thursday which will affect the price of everything.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?0 -
Has anyone at least done the basics and checked where Boris officially was on each of these days?0
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Bryant powerful.3
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Remember Boris has people trying to watch who is heading in that direction.Foxy said:
The letters are anonymous aren't they?eek said:
Nope it requires 54 Tory MPs with a backbone and a disregard to their political careers if 54 letters aren't rapidly reached.Burgessian said:This exchange with Mark Harper sounds significant as to whether there will be 54 letters or not. The response must surely have increased the odds that the letters are going in.
It isn't going to happen.0 -
Yup. I think the moment for me is JRM's face dropping when Jess, inquiring about Bozzatron's attendance on Nov 13, said "I guess I'm going to be told to wait for something..." and he then told her to wait for something.0
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Bryant cracking point.
Best parliamentary drama of my life.1 -
Indeed. Especially as she specifically prefaced her question with "I expect I'll be told to wait!"Anabobazina said:Even Jacob Rees looked completely incredulous when Bozza told Jakey's good mate Jess P to "wait" when she simply asked him whether he was at the 13 Nov do.
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Blackford is a counterproductive idiot, distracting the House and drawing attention onto himself.
A 'lie' requires the knowledge of falsehood and intent to deceive - and it's extremely hard to prove someone else's knowledge and intent. They could just be lazy and winging it.
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I'd suspect not close. Remember when May seemingly couldn't get any Cabinet Ministers to defend her Brexit deal, and most of the defending it got done by Rory Stewart? That they wouldn't act then and still didn't resign, despite so many doing so, shows how few at so high a level break ranksChris said:I wonder how close some Cabinet ministers are to breaking ranks.
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Back to your poolside drink, and leave this to those of us who are concentratingLeon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?
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That's if they hike. They were sounding like that's the case from my CNBC this morning.eek said:
Not really it merely puts us where we should have been in December.JBriskin3 said:
BoE making a decision on Thursday which will affect the price of everything.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?0 -
Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
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Not even a time of release estimate!Malmesbury said:The COVID case panic has been delayed.
Please wait patiently.
Won't someone think of the geeks. Boris must reaign.0 -
Baker missed an open goal.0
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It's very rare for Leaders of the Opposition to get to speak for the country. It's even rarer for them to get it right when they do. Starmer knocked it out of the park today.6
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Put them all together in a flickbook format and they animate Boris doing the conga.Scott_xP said:Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
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Doing a Brett Kavanuagh.kle4 said:
I can sort of understand it from his pov. Contrition, of attempted, wouldn't call off his internal critics, so a confident, punchy response stirs up his backers at least.Richard_Nabavi said:It was always going to be near-impossible for Boris to handle this situation in the Commons, but I'm surprised he didn't at least attempt the humble contrition gambit. That probably shows how flustered he is.
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Yes, it was a masterstroke that. Made Bozza look like a complete idiot.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Especially as she specifically prefaced her question with "I expect I'll be told to wait!"Anabobazina said:Even Jacob Rees looked completely incredulous when Bozza told Jakey's good mate Jess P to "wait" when she simply asked him whether he was at the 13 Nov do.
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Well that would be a perfectly normal and understandable reaction from the many who supported him in his rise to power. It's very difficult to admit a misjudgement. A sense of ennuie and ca ne fait rien is certainly more comfortable than one of embarassment.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?
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Yep. And PMs cannot be liars to parliaments. Either should be enough to end him unless he and the Tory Party wish to take up residence in the gutter.BartholomewRoberts said:
If the PM knew the law was being broken by either himself or his team and did nothing about it then he should resign. Whether he'd said to the House that the law wasn't being broken or not.kinabalu said:
No, if he lied it doesn't follow he'll get a penalty notice. Likewise if he doesn't get a penalty notice it doesn't follow he didn't lie.BartholomewRoberts said:
Whether the law was broken, or whether the rules were broken, is the same thing.kinabalu said:
That's a reframing in his favour that doesn't work. The bar is whether he lied to Parliament not whether he gets a fixed penalty notice. If he lied to Parliament he must go. Or to put it differently, if the evidence shows he lied to Parliament about these rule-breaking parties in the middle of a pandemic but he *still* won't resign, Tory MPs simply must remove him. And if they don't the public must punish them with a shellacking in the polls and a landslide loss of seats. If none of this happens we're fucked. It's Banana Republic and total loss of self-respect here we come.BartholomewRoberts said:
Far too early to say that.El_Capitano said:Starmer must be overjoyed.
Not enough to topple Johnson before the next election. But enough to leave the stench of criminality around him for good.
If the Met determine the PM broke the law (considering the flat is one investigated by them) then surely that is the end of Boris.
If the Met determine the law wasn't broken, then that should be the end of the matter too.
Either way, I don't see how this can drag on until the election.
Guidelines are not rules. They're guidelines. Laws are the rules.
This lies to Parliament thing is weird because if the threshold to say he lied has been met, the threshold he has to go for other reasons has also already been met. So yes if he's lied to Parliament he should go, but in this case it's an unnecessary and redundant condition.
He said he had no knowledge of rule-breaking events. Will the Gray Report (when we get the proper one) and/or the Met investigation show that to be a lie?
Let's see.
Lawmakers can not be lawbreakers.4 -
Where was he on 13 November 2020?
DomCum may remember...0 -
That would be intentional then, surely?Mexicanpete said:Baker missed an open goal.
If he wanted to hit an open goal, he surely would have.
He knows what he's doing.0 -
I wonder if there'll be any more as soon as he sits down, like last week with the dogs at the kabul airport.ThePoliticalParty said:Where was he on 13 November 2020?
DomCum may remember...0 -
Catherine West for Prime Minister.1
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Mr M didn't go to prison for being President, and Herr Hitler didn't go to prison for being Ministerpraesident.Leon said:
Mandela went to prison for TERRORISMCarnyx said:
There is more an issue of why these persons went to prison. Herr Hitler, for instance, did not go to prison for his government of the Third Reich. He went to prison for trying to overthrow the Weimar Republic (or the Bavarian Land - I'ma bit hazy on that detail at present, but you get the idea). And Mr Mandela did not go to prison for his implementation of the apartheid policy of the RSA Government at the time.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, that's much more like it! With that post you are competing with HYUFD for the Unembarrassed Boris Apologist Award, also known as the Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf Award for Most Comical & Absurd DefenceLeon said:
Actually quite a few leaders have done time then returned to leadBig_G_NorthWales said:
What a bizarre commentHYUFD said:
Nelson Mandela was jailed and came back to lead his country but obviously I am not making that direct comparison.Jonathan said:If Boris is charged, convicted, sentenced and sent down. Boris, his supporters and possibly HYUFD will say he can carry on. There is no place where they will draw a line. Someone else has to draw that line.
If Boris was arrested and jailed he would have to cease being Tory leader and PM at that point
You become more ridiculous day by day
Lenin?
Stalin maybe
Vaclav Havel
Gandhi
Ho Chi Minh
Aung Sun Sue Khi
Nehru
Say what you like about Boris, and I admit he is not a saint, he didn’t anything as bad at MADIBA0 -
Steve Baker intervention notably unhelpful. Seems to have made his mind up. Given what Mark Harper, former chief whip, said a few minutes ago not looking good for the PM.2
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Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
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That would indicate that the observation that Cummings was required to hand over all the information that he had in his possession was salientScott_xP said:Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
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I thought the only person who would ever be supposed to know who submitted letters would be Graham Brady unless the letter writers choose to announce it themselves.eek said:
Nope it requires 54 Tory MPs with a backbone and a disregard to their political careers if 54 letters aren't rapidly reached.Burgessian said:This exchange with Mark Harper sounds significant as to whether there will be 54 letters or not. The response must surely have increased the odds that the letters are going in.
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Yeah, one of the good convictsTheScreamingEagles said:Catherine West for Prime Minister.
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Indeed but you're trying to set up lying to Parliament as somehow a lower or easier bar to clear than proving knowledge of lawbreaking. It isn't.kinabalu said:
Yep. And PMs cannot be liars to parliaments. Either should be enough to end him unless he and the Tory Party wish to take up residence in the gutter.BartholomewRoberts said:
If the PM knew the law was being broken by either himself or his team and did nothing about it then he should resign. Whether he'd said to the House that the law wasn't being broken or not.kinabalu said:
No, if he lied it doesn't follow he'll get a penalty notice. Likewise if he doesn't get a penalty notice it doesn't follow he didn't lie.BartholomewRoberts said:
Whether the law was broken, or whether the rules were broken, is the same thing.kinabalu said:
That's a reframing in his favour that doesn't work. The bar is whether he lied to Parliament not whether he gets a fixed penalty notice. If he lied to Parliament he must go. Or to put it differently, if the evidence shows he lied to Parliament about these rule-breaking parties in the middle of a pandemic but he *still* won't resign, Tory MPs simply must remove him. And if they don't the public must punish them with a shellacking in the polls and a landslide loss of seats. If none of this happens we're fucked. It's Banana Republic and total loss of self-respect here we come.BartholomewRoberts said:
Far too early to say that.El_Capitano said:Starmer must be overjoyed.
Not enough to topple Johnson before the next election. But enough to leave the stench of criminality around him for good.
If the Met determine the PM broke the law (considering the flat is one investigated by them) then surely that is the end of Boris.
If the Met determine the law wasn't broken, then that should be the end of the matter too.
Either way, I don't see how this can drag on until the election.
Guidelines are not rules. They're guidelines. Laws are the rules.
This lies to Parliament thing is weird because if the threshold to say he lied has been met, the threshold he has to go for other reasons has also already been met. So yes if he's lied to Parliament he should go, but in this case it's an unnecessary and redundant condition.
He said he had no knowledge of rule-breaking events. Will the Gray Report (when we get the proper one) and/or the Met investigation show that to be a lie?
Let's see.
Lawmakers can not be lawbreakers.
If he knew about lawbreaking and did nothing he should resign. If he doesn't, he hasn't lied.
I find the latter implausible given the evidence we know about. But at the end of the day if its not shown he knew about lawbreaking, then its not shown he lied either.0 -
The timing is as expected, and possibly police have had no choice but to make it known, now - however, he can't publish them. Takes a bit of the edge of him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That would indicate that the observation that Cummings was required to hand over all the information that he had in his possession was salientScott_xP said:Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488184464861798401
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The 54 letters is just the start of course. Could he go on to survive the resulting VOC?Burgessian said:Steve Baker intervention notably unhelpful. Seems to have made his mind up. Given what Mark Harper, former chief whip, said a few minutes ago not looking good for the PM.
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Not really. More than one person will have taken a photo, surely?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That would indicate that the observation that Cummings was required to hand over all the information that he had in his possession was salientScott_xP said:Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
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Yep - it was a strange question, but he stopped the ball just before he entered the penalty box...BartholomewRoberts said:
That would be intentional then, surely?Mexicanpete said:Baker missed an open goal.
If he wanted to hit an open goal, he surely would have.
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We must agree to differ. For me he is better than Brown, May, Cameron, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan and Major. He did something amazing: won the Brexit vote. Then something even amazinger: forced Brexit through by winning a genius majoritymurali_s said:
The problem Leon is that he is not suitable to hold the office of PM. Simples. He needs to get back into showbiz and scre*ing single and married women. He cannot and is unwilling to take any responsibility; we have seen that numerous times both in politics and his personal life. He's really not a very nice man. Worst PM of my lifetime for sure, probably of all time.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?
Has he squandered all that with his idiotic lies and silly marriage and hie venal inability to focus? Yes, that too
So now it is time for him to go as he has been revealed as a lying twat good for not much more than winning campaigns (which he does brilliantly) and telling decent jokes. Off you toddle, now, Boris
But will he? All my points today have been practical not ideological. I can see him surviving, quite easily. Indeed I can see him winning another, slender majority in 2024. His mortal enemy is not partygate, not any more, it is tax and inflation4 -
Caroline Lucas getting it wrong - if she wants Johnson gone, she should be appealing to Tory MPs' better natures, not claiming they are all as bad as each other.2
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I was thinking of my father's funeral, in spring 2020, where only a handful of close family could attend under the then rules. We weren't even allowed inside the crematorium.Essexit said:
There would also have been people in their 40s, 50s etc dying with one or both parents still alive. Even including those, 100k seems far too high.Nigelb said:
Did he mean children burying their parents, and misspeak ?IshmaelZ said:Davey - What? 100ks of parents burying their children? Obv even one is too many, but that is barking
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She’s actually quite a nasty piece of work, but dyorIshmaelZ said:
Yeah, one of the good convictsTheScreamingEagles said:Catherine West for Prime Minister.
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Yes but it does indicate that Cummings has had to comply with Met police demand for all he knowsdixiedean said:
Not really. More than one person will have taken a photo, surely?Big_G_NorthWales said:
That would indicate that the observation that Cummings was required to hand over all the information that he had in his possession was salientScott_xP said:Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
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Outside of the tory party the game is to attack Boris but not enough to actually kill him.CarlottaVance said:Caroline Lucas getting it wrong - if she wants Johnson gone, she should be appealing to Tory MPs' better natures, not claiming they are all as bad as each other.
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If the definition of amazing encompasses idiotic.Leon said:
We must agree to differ. For me he is better than Brown, May, Cameron, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan and Major. He did something amazing: won the Brexit vote. Then something even amazinger: forced Brexit through by winning a genius majoritymurali_s said:
The problem Leon is that he is not suitable to hold the office of PM. Simples. He needs to get back into showbiz and scre*ing single and married women. He cannot and is unwilling to take any responsibility; we have seen that numerous times both in politics and his personal life. He's really not a very nice man. Worst PM of my lifetime for sure, probably of all time.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?
Has he squandered all that with his idiotic lies and silly marriage and hie venal inability to focus? Yes, that too
So now it is time for him to go as he has been revealed as a lying twat good for not much more than winning campaigns (which he does brilliantly) and telling decent jokes. Off you toddle, now, Boris
But will he? All my points today have been practical not ideological. I can see him surviving, quite easily. Indeed I can see him winning another, slender majority in 2024. His mortal enemy is not partygate, not any more, it is tax and inflation0 -
By the way, how was Sri Lanka this time? Hope you managed to get some decent food this time...Leon said:
We must agree to differ. For me he is better than Brown, May, Cameron, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan and Major. He did something amazing: won the Brexit vote. Then something even amazinger: forced Brexit through by winning a genius majoritymurali_s said:
The problem Leon is that he is not suitable to hold the office of PM. Simples. He needs to get back into showbiz and scre*ing single and married women. He cannot and is unwilling to take any responsibility; we have seen that numerous times both in politics and his personal life. He's really not a very nice man. Worst PM of my lifetime for sure, probably of all time.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?
Has he squandered all that with his idiotic lies and silly marriage and hie venal inability to focus? Yes, that too
So now it is time for him to go as he has been revealed as a lying twat good for not much more than winning campaigns (which he does brilliantly) and telling decent jokes. Off you toddle, now, Boris
But will he? All my points today have been practical not ideological. I can see him surviving, quite easily. Indeed I can see him winning another, slender majority in 2024. His mortal enemy is not partygate, not any more, it is tax and inflation0 -
Jackie Doyle-Price gets the award for missing the bleeding obvious. If she thinks ministers should be responsible for what goes on in No 10 then the PM should resign.0
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I think I now understand the Prime Minister's defence against claims he misled the House when he denied that there was a party in Downing Street on 13th November 2020. There wasn't *a* party: there were two parties!7
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That is the questionStocky said:
The 54 letters is just the start of course. Could he go on to survive the resulting VOC?Burgessian said:Steve Baker intervention notably unhelpful. Seems to have made his mind up. Given what Mark Harper, former chief whip, said a few minutes ago not looking good for the PM.
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Sir Keir was overacting a bit too much today. Makes us all look like fools when you realise the whole thing is a charade.SouthamObserver said:It's very rare for Leaders of the Opposition to get to speak for the country. It's even rarer for them to get it right when they do. Starmer knocked it out of the park today.
I liked Boris today actually - not sure if he's going to survive or not though.
As I hinted at earlier the main duty of a current PM (for me) is that they respond quickly and curtly to the next Section 30 letter. There may be better Dear Nippy letter writers amongst the Tory favourites so I'm open minded.0 -
The residents of Stourbridge must be delighted to be told they aren't interested.0
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300 isn't a lot, but it may be enough.Scott_xP said:Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
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Stupid Stourbridge MP even more stupid than Hoyle
"They've taken too long talking about this, so I'm going to talk about it some more"0 -
The Home Secretary appeared to be nodding along to Keir Starmer.El_Capitano said:Priti Patel doesn't look happy at all.
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Does he like beer?Alistair said:
Doing a Brett Kavanuagh.kle4 said:
I can sort of understand it from his pov. Contrition, of attempted, wouldn't call off his internal critics, so a confident, punchy response stirs up his backers at least.Richard_Nabavi said:It was always going to be near-impossible for Boris to handle this situation in the Commons, but I'm surprised he didn't at least attempt the humble contrition gambit. That probably shows how flustered he is.
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The residents of Stourbridge must be as thick as pigshit to elect that MPdixiedean said:The residents of Stourbridge must be delighted to be told they aren't interested.
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Boris showing just a glimmer of a little smirk. He knows he's got away with this.0
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Might she resign?DecrepiterJohnL said:
The Home Secretary appeared to be nodding along to Keir Starmer.El_Capitano said:Priti Patel doesn't look happy at all.
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And far more important than any other domestic matter right now.Gardenwalker said:
You are, I think, not watching this.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?
It’s a PMQs for the ages.1 -
Got to get 54 letters first.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the questionStocky said:
The 54 letters is just the start of course. Could he go on to survive the resulting VOC?Burgessian said:Steve Baker intervention notably unhelpful. Seems to have made his mind up. Given what Mark Harper, former chief whip, said a few minutes ago not looking good for the PM.
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One's enough if it's good enough.TheWhiteRabbit said:
300 isn't a lot, but it may be enough.Scott_xP said:Breaking: Scotland Yard just said they've been handed more than **300** photographs as part of their partygate probe. Wow.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1488184464861798401
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The Eddie Mair "You're a nasty piece of work" interview was 2013.Gardenwalker said:I am trembling with anger at Boris’s shamelessness.
I have to try and put my utter fury aside, but I do believe that this is the most appalling display by a British PM in my lifetime.
Anyone paying any attention at all since the 1990's knew what they were getting when they promoted Boris.6 -
The back bench "hear hears" in response to Tory MP softballs getting feebler....0
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Davey didn't mean "hundreds of thousands".
He started with "hundreds" and then corrected it on the fly to "thousands".0 -
If you have a few friends round for a celebratory drink - at what point does it become something that is defined as a party.OnlyLivingBoy said:I think I now understand the Prime Minister's defence against claims he misled the House when he denied that there was a party in Downing Street on 13th November 2020. There wasn't *a* party: there were two parties!
I suspect anything that doesn't have a formal party invitation isn't a party in Carrie / Boris's world.0 -
...He then references Johnson's comments to parliament on 13 November, when he said the guidance and rules were followed in Downing Street.Stocky said:Bryant powerful.
"If he won't correct the record today, there's nothing accidental, it's deliberate," Bryant says.
"I don't know what he's saying Mr Speaker," Johnson says in reply...1 -
The letters are anonymous, but is the ballot?Stocky said:
The 54 letters is just the start of course. Could he go on to survive the resulting VOC?Burgessian said:Steve Baker intervention notably unhelpful. Seems to have made his mind up. Given what Mark Harper, former chief whip, said a few minutes ago not looking good for the PM.
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I wasn't allowed to visit an uncle who was a father figure to me. He died before I could say goodbye.Nigelb said:
I was thinking of my father's funeral, in spring 2020, where only a handful of close family could attend under the then rules. We weren't even allowed inside the crematorium.Essexit said:
There would also have been people in their 40s, 50s etc dying with one or both parents still alive. Even including those, 100k seems far too high.Nigelb said:
Did he mean children burying their parents, and misspeak ?IshmaelZ said:Davey - What? 100ks of parents burying their children? Obv even one is too many, but that is barking
If people like Leon don't get this then they are sewerage.
Next 48 hours are critical. I expect Johnson to fly to Ukraine tonight or tomorrow morning to try to deflect attention. Tory MPs either see through it and act or they're stuck with Johnson until at least May and quite possibly 2024, when they will get a trouncing.
p.s. Sir Keir Starmer is looking prime ministerial. Dour and sometimes (really) dull but prime ministerial.2 -
If Boris is so amazing for getting Brexit done then surely Cameron is amazinger for having the vote in the first place.Leon said:
For me he is better than Brown, May, Cameron, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan and Major. He did something amazing: won the Brexit vote. Then something even amazinger: forced Brexit through by winning a genius majoritymurali_s said:
The problem Leon is that he is not suitable to hold the office of PM. Simples. He needs to get back into showbiz and scre*ing single and married women. He cannot and is unwilling to take any responsibility; we have seen that numerous times both in politics and his personal life. He's really not a very nice man. Worst PM of my lifetime for sure, probably of all time.Leon said:
I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
We know he is a lying fuck, we know they lied and had pastries, whatever yawn yes, we hate them, but what are they going to do about the price of petrol? Etc?0 -
Tissue Price up.2
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Tissue Price up.2
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Sfaict Blackford was not thrown out because he had already left. We'll need to wait and see if the Speaker completes the paperwork.JBriskin3 said:How longs Blackford out for? Forever??
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Powerful from Aaron.9
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In assessing the back benchers reaction it might be helpful to bear in mind that some might want proper low tax and freedom conservatism back at least as much as they want Boris gone.
If not more.
And they don't really care how they get it.
They can sell a few party transgressions to workers. What they cannot sell is higher taxes forever, rocketing fuel bills and slow growth. Like it or not, that is part of the narrative here.
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