The first findings from the Grey report don’t look good for Johnson – politicalbetting.com
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blackford thrown out!0
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Hoyle having a mare this afternoon, totally muddledThePoliticalParty said:Hoyle is hopeless
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Lyndsey Hoyle found that genuinely upsetting0
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Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story
Andrew Mitchell withdraws support
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Andrew Mitchell withdraws his support for Boris Johnson.1
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Well that post aged well!!!rottenborough said:Blackford should have pressed on there.
Would have helped emphasis the issue.0 -
Only one with a backbone in the place or as now out of the placelondonpubman said:Cheerio Blackford!
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Wow - Andrew Mitchell is going for him!
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Letters must be close to 54 today.0
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Andrew Mitchell follows May and hits out at the PM.
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If so, we're there any rules against it at the time?BlancheLivermore said:jonny83 said:Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that
Telegraph Politics
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Red circle Alcohol-filled luggage was not just a feature of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal.
It was also seen in the days of both David Cameron and Theresa May Downwards arrow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/partygate-suitcase-wine-dates-back-days-david-cameron-theresa/
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Oof. Andrew Mitchell...0
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Mitchell gone.1
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Missed that. What did he say about Savile?Razedabode said:Johnson has totally fecked up the tone in his reply
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If the PM knew the law was being broken by either himself or his team and did nothing about it then he should resign. Whether he'd said to the House that the law wasn't being broken or not.kinabalu said:
No, if he lied it doesn't follow he'll get a penalty notice. Likewise if he doesn't get a penalty notice it doesn't follow he didn't lie.BartholomewRoberts said:
Whether the law was broken, or whether the rules were broken, is the same thing.kinabalu said:
That's a reframing in his favour that doesn't work. The bar is whether he lied to Parliament not whether he gets a fixed penalty notice. If he lied to Parliament he must go. Or to put it differently, if the evidence shows he lied to Parliament about these rule-breaking parties in the middle of a pandemic but he *still* won't resign, Tory MPs simply must remove him. And if they don't the public must punish them with a shellacking in the polls and a landslide loss of seats. If none of this happens we're fucked. It's Banana Republic and total loss of self-respect here we come.BartholomewRoberts said:
Far too early to say that.El_Capitano said:Starmer must be overjoyed.
Not enough to topple Johnson before the next election. But enough to leave the stench of criminality around him for good.
If the Met determine the PM broke the law (considering the flat is one investigated by them) then surely that is the end of Boris.
If the Met determine the law wasn't broken, then that should be the end of the matter too.
Either way, I don't see how this can drag on until the election.
Guidelines are not rules. They're guidelines. Laws are the rules.
This lies to Parliament thing is weird because if the threshold to say he lied has been met, the threshold he has to go for other reasons has also already been met. So yes if he's lied to Parliament he should go, but in this case it's an unnecessary and redundant condition.
He said he had no knowledge of rule-breaking events. Will the Gray Report (when we get the proper one) and/or the Met investigation show that to be a lie?
Let's see.
Lawmakers can not be lawbreakers.1 -
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Bernard Jenkin and Steve Baker trying to get in. Their interventions could be significant.1 -
This must be terminal2
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Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story
Andrew Mitchell withdraws support
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How longs Blackford out for? Forever??0
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That is quite the non sequitur. I get falling back on the Brexit war tropes to distract from a bad moment, but you have to be little focused in reply.bigjohnowls said:Wow "SKS as DPP spent his time prosecuting journalists but not Jimmy Saville as far as i can see"
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Not going well for @BorisJohnson. He's tried the tub thumping stuff from PMQs but seems he's misjudged the mood. Lots of glum Tory faces. And Theresa May whacked him
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Basically blamed Starmer for not prosecuting Jimmy Saville.Andy_JS said:
Missed that. What did he say about Savile?Razedabode said:Johnson has totally fecked up the tone in his reply
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He said AIUI that it was SKS's fault Saville didn't get prosecuted. Not a comparison I would want to have made about myself - seeing as it was SKS "prosecuting" Mr Johnson this afternoon, unfairly so under Mr J's argument (I think).Andy_JS said:
Missed that. What did he say about Savile?Razedabode said:Johnson has totally fecked up the tone in his reply
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That was very thorough from Graham Stuart, I wonder if he found any polyps up there?6
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Plenty on the Tory benches, so he was looking in the wrong place.TheScreamingEagles said:That was very thorough from Graham Stuart, I wonder if he found any polyps up there?
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I thought you were a honest person G, that is shocking partisan crap and puts HYFUD to shame, I cannot believe you are much worse than him. Only person with a backbone in the placeBig_G_NorthWales said:Blackford poor today
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It was always going to be near-impossible for Boris to handle this situation in the Commons, but I'm surprised he didn't at least attempt the humble contrition gambit. That probably shows how flustered he is.0
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Should've done it quietly, and quoted the response by Johnson on the party.Harris_Tweed said:
Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story
Andrew Mitchell withdraws support
Boris is on his way out
Ask the Speaker to advise which is to be believed - the report in the library of the commons, or the PMs earlier statement.0 -
That one was 'pubs were open, rule of six outside, but if you're working in Government, don't be a dick, it's a big day tomorrow'.Foxy said:
If so, we're there any rules against it at the time?BlancheLivermore said:jonny83 said:Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that
Telegraph Politics
@TelePolitics
Red circle Alcohol-filled luggage was not just a feature of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal.
It was also seen in the days of both David Cameron and Theresa May Downwards arrow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/partygate-suitcase-wine-dates-back-days-david-cameron-theresa/
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I fully expect Boris Johnson to say in the next few minutes that there are no American tanks in Baghdad.3
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While SKS does the quiet, reasonable and forensic thing.Harris_Tweed said:
Blackford pointedly refusing to withdraw an allegation that BJ lied to the house may not be entirely bad politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:Blackford making it about him and is going to make the headlines and deflect the story
Andrew Mitchell withdraws support
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Caroline Nokes with a decent question there.0
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"the suggestion that things were going on that were against the rules"
The suggestion?
Time for Dom's photo drop.0 -
Davey - What? 100ks of parents burying their children? Obv even one is too many, but that is barking0
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It was clear from the start of this affair that if events did take place the only possible defence was an 'I'm stupid' defence, which is the last gasp defence of any politician.CarlottaVance said:Theresa May excoriating
Gray shows No10 didn't observe rules it imposed. "Either [he] hasn't read the rules, or understood the rules or didn't think the rules applied to No 10? Which is it"
PM gives her short shrift, full denial mode in tone cld well further incense some MPs
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1488178450888372224?s=20&t=nQZNfBgj7Fd6QKC6qfr2UA
Since at least some events are acknowledged to have taken place I'm not sure attempting other than an I'm stupid defence is viable.0 -
I was responding to "Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that"Foxy said:
If so, we're there any rules against it at the time?BlancheLivermore said:jonny83 said:Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that
Telegraph Politics
@TelePolitics
Red circle Alcohol-filled luggage was not just a feature of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal.
It was also seen in the days of both David Cameron and Theresa May Downwards arrow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/partygate-suitcase-wine-dates-back-days-david-cameron-theresa/
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1487880596047208457
Which doesn't say anything about rule-breaking parties.0 -
He was poor in the sense making it about him and misjudged how he came acrossmalcolmg said:
I thought you were a honest person G, that is shocking partisan crap and puts HYFUD to shame, I cannot believe you are much worse than him. Only person with a backbone in the placeBig_G_NorthWales said:Blackford poor today
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What's news here? Johnson is and has always been a liar.
The vile corrupt sleazy Tories made this lying piece of shit their leader. They will hopefully follow a similar fate to the disingenuous fat philanderer.
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More (un)friendly fire from the Tory benches......0
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The problem you have there is Boris and humble.Richard_Nabavi said:It was always going to be near-impossible for Boris to handle this situation in the Commons, but I'm surprised he didn't at least attempt the humble contrition gambit. That probably shows how flustered he is.
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Jenkin is just a toadyrottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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Bernard Jenkin and Steve Baker trying to get in. Their interventions could be significant.1 -
Bring back Bercow - Hoyle has a face like a whipped custard.1
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That Starmer was only interested in prosecuting journalists and not Saville. It was very good.Andy_JS said:
Missed that. What did he say about Savile?Razedabode said:Johnson has totally fecked up the tone in his reply
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During the well known pandemic of 2018 no doubt.BlancheLivermore said:jonny83 said:Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that
Telegraph Politics
@TelePolitics
Red circle Alcohol-filled luggage was not just a feature of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal.
It was also seen in the days of both David Cameron and Theresa May Downwards arrow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/partygate-suitcase-wine-dates-back-days-david-cameron-theresa/
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1487880596047208457
As predicted at the time, the 'it was the longstanding culture at fault' will be the cry. So much for government responding to things quickly.0 -
It's not going terribly well, is it.2
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Sir Bernard Jenkin calls on No 10 to be streamlined and for more Cabinet Govt but not for him to go.0
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I switched off after Blackford which is a shame as I should have done it before obviously.
I take it he's not banned from the Commons for good (thanks to VAR)?
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I get the impression the PM hasn’t really thought through how he plans to reform Number 10
https://twitter.com/anandMenon1/status/1488180935807979523?s=20&t=nQZNfBgj7Fd6QKC6qfr2UA0 -
Sir Bernard Jenkins puts him on a few months notice0
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There is no consensus among the Tories (see Jenkins). Going to be a civil war tonight.1
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Jenkin - not significantIanB2 said:
Jenkin is just a toadyrottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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Bernard Jenkin and Steve Baker trying to get in. Their interventions could be significant.0 -
The COVID case panic has been delayed.
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The post I replied to didn't mention the pandemic, just that there would not have been parties under May.kle4 said:
During the well known pandemic of 2018 no doubt.BlancheLivermore said:jonny83 said:Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that
Telegraph Politics
@TelePolitics
Red circle Alcohol-filled luggage was not just a feature of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal.
It was also seen in the days of both David Cameron and Theresa May Downwards arrow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/partygate-suitcase-wine-dates-back-days-david-cameron-theresa/
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1487880596047208457
As predicted at the time, the 'it was the longstanding culture at fault' will be the cry. So much for government responding to things quickly.0 -
On the contrary.Peter_the_Punter said:It's not going terribly well, is it.
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The Met have asked to have it redacted??Malmesbury said:The COVID case panic has been delayed.
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Thats a clear, we'll kick you out after the May elections if you don't buck up..Big_G_NorthWales said:Sir Bernard Jenkins puts him on a few months notice
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Thankfully the Welsh as a whole are not as ignorant as Big G. Wales, like Scotland and London will be a Tory free zone soon...malcolmg said:
I thought you were a honest person G, that is shocking partisan crap and puts HYFUD to shame, I cannot believe you are much worse than him. Only person with a backbone in the placeBig_G_NorthWales said:Blackford poor today
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Fabric*nt dares show his face0
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Not at all he told teh truth that Boris had lied and misled teh house, 100% accurate as everyone knows.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He was poor in the sense making it about him and misjudged how he came acrossmalcolmg said:
I thought you were a honest person G, that is shocking partisan crap and puts HYFUD to shame, I cannot believe you are much worse than him. Only person with a backbone in the placeBig_G_NorthWales said:Blackford poor today
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Very awkward squad along Mitchell's row - Baker, Davis, Redwood, etc. Real back seat of the bus group.0
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Are there these days?TheScreamingEagles said:I fully expect Boris Johnson to say in the next few minutes that there are no American tanks in Baghdad.
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I can't understand why the PM thinks it's effective to tell opposition MPs off for focusing too much on parties during a statement called for that express purpose.0
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Tough for Boris here. He thought announcing an Office for Number 10 would buy him time.
Now impertinent upstarts are asking for details!
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This really isn't going well for Johnson.
Theresa May was a zinger. Keir Starmer was impressive today.
I think a lot of tory MPs know what they have to do but Johnson has a habit of getting away with it so I'm still not holding my breath.
(Amazingly, I thought Priti Patel looked pretty pissed off with Johnson and was nodding through much of Keir Starmer's speech.)0 -
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Boris only cares about getting through until the end of the day.CarlottaVance said:I get the impression the PM hasn’t really thought through how he plans to reform Number 10
https://twitter.com/anandMenon1/status/1488180935807979523?s=20&t=nQZNfBgj7Fd6QKC6qfr2UA
Tomorrow is another issue that can wait until, well, tomorrow.2 -
Boris doesn't do details.dixiedean said:Tough for Boris here. He thought announcing an Office for Number 10 would buy him time.
Now impertinent upstarts are asking for details!
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Come on backbench Tories do your duty....1
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I think the one before Prince Phillip's funeral hits the mark because (a) it actually could have been legal, done differently* and (b) the suitcase!.BlancheLivermore said:
I was responding to "Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that"Foxy said:
If so, we're there any rules against it at the time?BlancheLivermore said:jonny83 said:Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that
Telegraph Politics
@TelePolitics
Red circle Alcohol-filled luggage was not just a feature of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal.
It was also seen in the days of both David Cameron and Theresa May Downwards arrow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/partygate-suitcase-wine-dates-back-days-david-cameron-theresa/
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1487880596047208457
Which doesn't say anything about rule-breaking parties.
The link provided shows that the culture of drinking, which Gray highlights in point 4 is not a Boris thing but wider spread.
4. The excessive consumption of alcohol is not appropriate in a professional workplace at any time. Steps must be taken to ensure that every Government Department has a clear and robust policy in place covering the consumption of alcohol in the workplace.
*Earlier that week, for example, I was sitting on a bench of six but knew practically everyone on all the other handful of benches out the front of the pub.0 -
Mark Harper with a pointed intervention about publishing the full report
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I can sort of understand it from his pov. Contrition, of attempted, wouldn't call off his internal critics, so a confident, punchy response stirs up his backers at least.Richard_Nabavi said:It was always going to be near-impossible for Boris to handle this situation in the Commons, but I'm surprised he didn't at least attempt the humble contrition gambit. That probably shows how flustered he is.
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Bloody hell is that one Jeremy Corbyn sitting there mask worn any old how and below his nose.0
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I suspect that will go the way of the Civil Service moving to Manchester.dixiedean said:Tough for Boris here. He thought announcing an Office for Number 10 would buy him time.
Now impertinent upstarts are asking for details!
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Hywel Williams not someone I'd pick a fight with0
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That is weird. I can't find pandemic numbers but in 2019 there were tragically 907 child deaths (aged one to fifteen). Not sure how many aged zero, but it wouldn't get anywhere near to 100k even with pandemic and aged zero deaths.IshmaelZ said:Davey - What? 100ks of parents burying their children? Obv even one is too many, but that is barking
It is a horrific experience I wouldn't want anyone to go through.0 -
The Tory anti-Johnson speakers are reminding why I used to be a Tory!3
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Yes, but in the context of a discussion all about rule breaking.BlancheLivermore said:
The post I replied to didn't mention the pandemic, just that there would not have been parties under May.kle4 said:
During the well known pandemic of 2018 no doubt.BlancheLivermore said:jonny83 said:Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that
Telegraph Politics
@TelePolitics
Red circle Alcohol-filled luggage was not just a feature of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal.
It was also seen in the days of both David Cameron and Theresa May Downwards arrow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/partygate-suitcase-wine-dates-back-days-david-cameron-theresa/
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1487880596047208457
As predicted at the time, the 'it was the longstanding culture at fault' will be the cry. So much for government responding to things quickly.0 -
No it really wasn't. Not a subject for a jibe. It lowered the tone still further but also subliminally made an association between non-investigation of Savile and non-investigation of Johnson. Two men who got away with it ... a bad move.Mexicanpete said:
That Starmer was only interested in prosecuting journalists and not Saville. It was very good.Andy_JS said:
Missed that. What did he say about Savile?Razedabode said:Johnson has totally fecked up the tone in his reply
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Johnson backtracks on commitment to publish report in full.0
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Yes and make Priti Patel PM.FrancisUrquhart said:Come on backbench Tories do your duty....
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This exchange with Mark Harper sounds significant as to whether there will be 54 letters or not. The response must surely have increased the odds that the letters are going in.0
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I just get the sense - from a trillion miles away on balcony on a tropical seashore - that this is beginning to bore the fuck out of voters. And today won’t make any difference - at least in the pollskle4 said:
Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.
I’m not saying it is boring PER SE, I’m a politics geek. Tho, actually, even as a geek this feels a bit damp squib-esque
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Nowhere near is my reading... there's maybe 30 odd.Andy_JS said:Letters must be close to 54 today.
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I am trembling with anger at Boris’s shamelessness.
I have to try and put my utter fury aside, but I do believe that this is the most appalling display by a British PM in my lifetime.10
