The first findings from the Grey report don’t look good for Johnson – politicalbetting.com
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Look! A freeport staffed entirely by squirrels!1
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He's just blaming the civil service....0
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I'll mend the bus that I crashed, says drink driver6
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Getting brexit done and boosters stuff lame
This is not about Gray0 -
Yeah but what does it say on the side?ThePoliticalParty said:I'll mend the bus that I crashed, says drink driver
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Tory benches look very sombre1
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Yep - that's Boris. Anyone and everyone can go if it allows him to stay for another day.El_Capitano said:Oh for goodness' sake. Throwing No 10 and CabOff civil servants under the bus to save his skin.
And remember that 54 MPs need to write letters but I bet by close of play tonight there aren't anything like 54 letters written.1 -
Looks like a 3-line Whip on senior cabinet ministers on the Front Bench.0
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SKS homing in on the Lie.0
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Angela's parting straight for once. What is she telling us?0
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Too drawn out.kinabalu said:SKS homing in on the Lie.
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Much better from SKS today.1
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Their response both in the debate and tonight will decide whether Boris stays in postBenpointer said:Tory benches look very sombre
We should know this week even by tomorrow0 -
To be fair, you'd want a ringside seat at a parliamentary spectacle like this one.CarlottaVance said:Looks like a 3-line Whip on senior cabinet ministers on the Front Bench.
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No, not a big SKS fan but this is good.bigjohnowls said:
Too drawn out.kinabalu said:SKS homing in on the Lie.
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Starmer still believing that the pointless rules weren't pointless.-1
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SKS really sticking the knife in...0
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Starmer pulling out all the stops1
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Thatcher quote good3
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Starmer, quoting Thatcher lol0
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Very powerful from SKS1
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This is actually great from Starmer imo. It's real and sincere and powerful.3
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FDA leader is very critical - demands full publication eventually. Graun feed saysBig_G_NorthWales said:
I do not have an issue with junior civil servants but those in management should resign in blockeek said:
Were you a civil servant in No 10 was it better for your career to attend the parties or to avoid themBig_G_NorthWales said:I give no pass to Boris, but Rayner trying to excuse the civil servants involved is an utterly nonsense
Up to early December 2021 I suspect attending parties was a better career move as it meant you were in with the right people.
The FDA, the union representing senior civil servants, says the full Sue Gray report must be published eventually. In a statement, its general secretary, Dave Penman, said:
"[...] The general findings will make uncomfortable reading for all of those in leadership positions in No.10, whether political or official. While no one can question their commitment and hard work when they led the country’s response to the pandemic, they were not alone, as hundreds of thousands of key workers in the public and private sector made extraordinary sacrifices throughout this time. Whatever led to a culture where they lost a sense of perspective has to be addressed quickly, as the report recommends."0 -
The Tories need some policy resets as well as getting shut of BoJo in order to stand a chance of winning next election. The Tory back benchers need to oust him now for their own careers. Have an interim PM and elect a new leader. If there is a poll recovery then October election to get fresh mandate. Not sure I want them to do it as I think they might get re-elected but good governance does demand that he goes ASAP.0
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The clown is really rattled0
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On a lighter note, how desperate do you have to be to claim in an official government document, dishonestly, that one of the benefits of Brexit is 'to provide opportunities for the cruise industry to allow people to get married at sea'?
Was that some civil servant trying to troll us with the most ludicrous nonsense he could slip into the report?1 -
Woah! Not sure I’d be bringing up Jimmy Savile.2
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Front bench incl bozo looking sick as parrots
This is bloody cracking from SKS3 -
Wow - Boris attacks Starmer over Savile1
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Wow "SKS as DPP spent his time prosecuting journalists but not Jimmy Saville as far as i can see"1
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FFS...get his clown out right now.2
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Savile. Stay classy.0
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Boris might be signing his own death warrant here.0
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Savile?
Tilbury?
I thought this was a statement on Gray investigation?0 -
Priti Patel doesn't look happy at all.1
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I never cared much for the lockdown rules, in fact I thought them idiotic and harmful. I broke them at every possible opportunity. Because as a healthy man in his late thirties, the risk of going completely mental from the isolation far outweighed the risk of covid.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
And I would not blame a single other person for doing the same. I would not blame a couple for throwing a party in their own home. I would not blame a teenager for setting up a soundsystem and going raving in the forest of dean. I would not blame a middle aged son or daughter for going to spend time with an elderly relative. Etc. So many things are more important than "covid". As most of us, two years later, have now seen.
But the fact is, it was Boris who made those stupid, pointless, horrific rules that turned our country into an orwellian police state where neighbours tittle tattled on each other and joy was banned in a way not seen since Oliver Cromwell.
And Boris broke those rules. For that hypocrisy, I damn him.
If anyone else attended a party, or hosted one, I would not give a flying fig. But when the architects of lockdown, and all the horrors that came with it, are shown to have repeatedly and egregiously broken their own rules, I hope someone throws the book at them.3 -
Having criticised Starmer for not focusing on the contents of the report, the clown is now talking about the EMA and NATO0
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Bozza has just absolutely smashed Starmer out of the park.
The Jimmy Saville comment was superb. Absolutely brilliant performance from Johnson.
Big Dog is saved!1 -
Go on Theresa…call for a resignation2
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Starmer started well, got dull, then improved from the moment he quoted Thatcher.
Johnson's response is pretty disgraceful.
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SKS impassive. Letting Boris hang.
And May next up!0 -
T May up next.
G Howe of today?0 -
T May wants him gone quelle suprise0
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For ages I’ve said Starmer wasn’t up to it. And it’s still hard to get over some of his policy failures in the last few years. But oh my. That was stirring, powerful and persuasive. And I suspect the silent majority on the government benches know it.3
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Falling back on Brexit, as usual0
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Theresa on the ball1
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I think Boris’ statement and response will be enough on their own to persuade enough Tories to send in their letters.
It’s this sort of bollocks which angers voters
“Yes Mr Speaker, I was found holding the bloody knife saying I killed the bastard but look at what I did before, and Freeport’s, and Labour smell”……3 -
Johnson is shouting utter waffle across the house.
Looks like a man who knows he’s in trouble1 -
Theresa May asks a question...0
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Come on Tessy... revenge is going to taste sweet.1
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Boris obviously read a different version of the report1
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Yep because the Police couldn't provided enough witnesses to justify a prosecution.bigjohnowls said:Wow "SKS as DPP spent his time prosecuting journalists but not Jimmy Saville as far as i can see"
We covered that story last week on here as I remember double checking why nothing happened.0 -
10/10 for May5
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Good performance from Starmer.1
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Crikey ... Theresa May0
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Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that4
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Blackford attacking Gray!0
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What a zinger from May!2
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Theresa May basically calling for Johnson to go.0
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Presenting things as boring or complicated and so not worth the bother is a standard evasion tactic.Leon said:Difficult to express how boring this all seems from 5000 miles away, by the lacy moonlit waves of the Laccadive Sea
I accept that’s it’s probably way more exciting if you are there in, er, Swindon, or whatever.
It just seems phenomenally trivial. Obviously wrong, but equally trivial.
I wonder if for this reason Boris has an unexpected chance of reviving, as no other PM which such terrible polling has ever done.
Much will be trivial, were it not for the context and particularly comments made about those events. And suddenly even the boring and trivial can become more vital. The pettiness can compound the error not exculpate the participant.3 -
I know Boris desperately got the silage chucker out hoping some of it will stick.eek said:
Yep because the Police couldn't provided enough witnesses to justify a prosecution.bigjohnowls said:Wow "SKS as DPP spent his time prosecuting journalists but not Jimmy Saville as far as i can see"
We covered that story last week on here as I remember double checking why nothing happened.2 -
I trust a letter from May to Brady will be sent within the hour0
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SNP to ask for full report in Motion to the House.1
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Mandela went to prison for TERRORISMCarnyx said:
There is more an issue of why these persons went to prison. Herr Hitler, for instance, did not go to prison for his government of the Third Reich. He went to prison for trying to overthrow the Weimar Republic (or the Bavarian Land - I'ma bit hazy on that detail at present, but you get the idea). And Mr Mandela did not go to prison for his implementation of the apartheid policy of the RSA Government at the time.Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh, that's much more like it! With that post you are competing with HYUFD for the Unembarrassed Boris Apologist Award, also known as the Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf Award for Most Comical & Absurd DefenceLeon said:
Actually quite a few leaders have done time then returned to leadBig_G_NorthWales said:
What a bizarre commentHYUFD said:
Nelson Mandela was jailed and came back to lead his country but obviously I am not making that direct comparison.Jonathan said:If Boris is charged, convicted, sentenced and sent down. Boris, his supporters and possibly HYUFD will say he can carry on. There is no place where they will draw a line. Someone else has to draw that line.
If Boris was arrested and jailed he would have to cease being Tory leader and PM at that point
You become more ridiculous day by day
Lenin?
Stalin maybe
Vaclav Havel
Gandhi
Ho Chi Minh
Aung Sun Sue Khi
Nehru
Say what you like about Boris, and I admit he is not a saint, he didn’t anything as bad at MADIBA0 -
Still don't think there will be 54 letters.Razedabode said:Johnson is shouting utter waffle across the house.
Looks like a man who knows he’s in trouble2 -
Wow. He is finished. misjudged that, hardly apologised and the coup de grace from May0
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Johnson has totally fecked up the tone in his reply
All that rubbish about Jimmy Saville as well1 -
Blackford poor today1
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If Boris Johnson had any sense of shame, decency, or honour he would resign.
Ah, I see the flaw with my comment.11 -
Jimmy Savile? What has that got to do with the price of fish?
What a desperate and pathetic response. Embarrassingly barrel-scraping nonsense.0 -
How do you make Blackford stop?
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It's not that difficult to construct a full-blown character assassination of the Prime Minister and deliver it in five minutes flat.
But Starmer did it very well.3 -
Theresa May excoriating
Gray shows No10 didn't observe rules it imposed. "Either [he] hasn't read the rules, or understood the rules or didn't think the rules applied to No 10? Which is it"
PM gives her short shrift, full denial mode in tone cld well further incense some MPs
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1488178450888372224?s=20&t=nQZNfBgj7Fd6QKC6qfr2UA0 -
Blackford is going to be banned!0
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May and Blackford great stuff.
What did SKS say i have forgot already
Blackford to be thrown out0 -
Blackford gets a red.0
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Blackford trying to be thrown out.0
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Blackford being a tit.0
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Blackford going for it. Fair play - I think 99% of the public agree - he has misled the house.1
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You Boris Johnson is in a bad place when Ian Blackford has the moral high ground.0
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What a circus/0
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jonny83 said:
Parties would have not happened under May's watch, absolutely 100% sure of that
Telegraph Politics
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Red circle Alcohol-filled luggage was not just a feature of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street, The Telegraph can reveal.
It was also seen in the days of both David Cameron and Theresa May Downwards arrow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/partygate-suitcase-wine-dates-back-days-david-cameron-theresa/
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/14878805960472084570 -
Hoyle is hopeless1
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Just switched on as Starmer was asking his last question. Disastrous response from Boris which horribly contrasted with the icy demeanour of his predecessor who then followed him. He really needs to go, I'm afraid.0
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Cheerio Blackford!1
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Blackford should have pressed on there.
Would have helped emphasis the issue.0 -
Mitchell calls for him to go0
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