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  • Massive day for Starmer.

    Land enough blows on Johnson and more letters will go in.

    Or does he row back, hoping they keep the man who will shortly be the most unpopular PM since polling began?

    Kid gloves today, try and keep him in the ring and win on points in 2024.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,741

    Wise policy by employer. Information security is a huge problem for all organisations.
    It's not difficult to run a guest / visitors network with no access to corporate systems and allow staff members to connect their phones to it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,824

    Wise policy by employer. Information security is a huge problem for all organisations.
    It's not difficult to set up a secondary WiFi system for other devices. Most places do it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,570

    So looking for the most senior non contenders. Doesnt rule out many, would be much easier to find a no mark contender.

    Will it be Dorries or Shapps!?

    That wiki article looks a good summary of what I was posting yesterday about how the Palace has dealt with this in the past when it looked like it might be an issue.

    Raab is not a shoe-in just because he is deputy PM.

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Massive day for Starmer.

    Land enough blows on Johnson and more letters will go in.

    Or does he row back, hoping they keep the man who will shortly be the most unpopular PM since polling began?

    The best thing for Starmer is for Johnson to survive
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,137

    Massive day for Starmer.

    Land enough blows on Johnson and more letters will go in.

    Or does he row back, hoping they keep the man who will shortly be the most unpopular PM since polling began?

    He goes for it and, if it doesn't come off, quietly puts the word out that he was holding back?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Yeah it's gaming and HD movies that cost. Work is text and spreadsheets which use next to nothing
    Fwiw I use about 100GB a month spread across phone, tablet and (mainly) desktop and laptop. For those who use their phone for all internet activity, as many people do, 2GB of data is indeed "nowt".
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,292

    For Remainers the best policy is to sit tight for a while. The economy is clearly on a lower growth path post-Brexit and people will increasingly notice. Wait for about five years and there will be a clear majority for rejoin, or at least for EEA membership. That's the time to organise a vote to make it happen. In the meantime, just sit back and let Brexit fail on its own. Don't create a stabbed in the back myth for Brexiteers by hastening its end.
    Yes, pretty soon we will see that the lying bunch of chancers weren't suddenly competent at trade and foreign policy, but screwed that up too.

    Lib Dems will push for SM membership, but not Rejoin in the short term. The SNP, PC and SF will be for their nations to Rejoin as independent states.

    Ultimately the biggest obstacle to Rejoin will be the break up of the UK. Without Scotland and NI the hurdle to Rejoin gets a lot higher.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    MaxPB said:

    It's not difficult to set up a secondary WiFi system for other devices. Most places do it.
    No employer I’ve ever worked for (quite a few now) has ever allowed personal devices to connect to WiFi
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    For the avoidance of doubt can I make it absolutely clear that my desire for a change of leadership has nothing to do with my 250/1 bet on PM Sunak with Ladbrokes

    That gets the Mrs Merton award for the day!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Heathener said:

    We've had them in Roman times in the south, hence e.g. 'Vine Street'.

    The Scottish resorts have had great seasons recently because of fronts from the north-west leaving Scotland on the north side of the Polar Front Jet. This actually produces great winter conditions in the Scottish Highlands with considerable snowfall.

    This season hasn't been so great because with this high pressure stuck over southern Britain, the jet is running north of the UK.
    Thanks for the explanation!
    Didn’t know that.

    All I do know is that the bairns have had some terrific winters in the Scottish hills in recent years.
  • Lobbs?
    Och no, beyond my pay grade. Mainly Trickers and R.M.Williams (I think their boots still qualify).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    My girlfriend uses many gigabytes a day listening to Spotify at work because they’re not allowed to have personal devices on WiFi
    Does she not know there’s a download button on Spotify?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,473

    Massive day for Starmer.

    Land enough blows on Johnson and more letters will go in.

    Or does he row back, hoping they keep the man who will shortly be the most unpopular PM since polling began?

    He needs to pulverise him with wit. Not his forte unfortunately.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Exactly. Scots cannot simply discount Con Maj and another decade of being ruled by the Tories, despite them losing every election in our country since the 1950s.
    Sure. That’s what drives support for independence and rightly so. However the take by the National is designed to reinforce those fears rather than reflect reality. They may well win the next election but they won’t go early. After 2017 there is no way a new Tory leader would risk an 80 seat majority (even just denting it) with an early election - esp before the boundary changes. That’s the proposition you approvingly posted - and it’s bollocks.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    Sandpit said:

    Does she not know there’s a download button on Spotify?
    You can’t download the entire Spotify catalogue
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,678
    Heathener said:

    Incidentally, it's not just the cost of food. It's also the quality. I've really noticed some rubbish especially in fruit and veg.

    Like many people I take evasive action to avoid some of the creeping increases - some ready meals (my staple fare) remain cheap, but you have to avoid lazily sticking to what you usually get as the price nudges upwards. I do notice some sneaky unadvertised cuts in quantity, though tbh it's probably healthy to eat a bit less.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited January 2022

    Not that surprising? Its literally weeks since you and other Peppa apologists were banging on about actually how awful Khan is and actually Labour are really unpopular in London because he's just bankrupted the tube and allowed knife murder to go unchecked and actually he is the boss of Dick so her failings are his etc etc etc
    I’ve been critical of Sadiq, but he’s got a lot of mojo back recently. The Ulez looks like a real triumph. Given the lack of news about it, it seems to be working. Really forward thinking policy. Now he’s talking about mile-by-mile road pricing to clear up congestion and encouraging walking and cycling as quicker modes. I appreciate that as a both a keen cyclist and a keen motorist.

    I also like the idea of border charges to drive into Greater London. The idea of having a sign on the edge of Epping Forest saying: “Welcome to London, Zero Carbon City” along with a charge strikes me as a strong statement of intent for the world’s greatest city.


    (Also, he’s been vocal in getting the WFH mandate removed - that has been really bad for business as companies have banned their staff from meeting in person)
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Chris said:

    I still think the strangest thing about Johnson is the fact that so many people insisted he was a clever man pretending to be a stupid man, rather than a stupid man pretending to be a clever man pretending to be a stupid man.

    He’s a lazy man who thinks he’s pretending to be lazy.
    Extraordinarily poor self-awareness is his key personality trait.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Yes, I agree - very tempting to keep hammering away at parties, but I think the public boredom threshold has been reached and there are points to be won on the theme "While the Tories squabble about lies and parties, the economy is burning".

    I note the Guardian quote today from an anti-Johnson MP: "there are about 20 letters, “some sent, some in draft”. That doesn't sound as though the ballot will be triggered before Sue Gray's report, if it's coming as soon as Friday, as some predict.
    Another round of headmasterly disappointment might be a bit boring, certainly. Inaction while inflation rises isn't a bad theme, but won't cause Johnson any discomfort because for it to do so he would have to have a sense of responsibility for governing the country - you can see the problem.

    An interesting approach that might fit Starmer's prosecutor style would be to read out some of the criminal cases that are being reported on from May 2020 where people were fined for breaching covid rules despite professing ignorance (of the rules, of whether there was a gathering, and so on), and inviting the PM to comment on whether the court was right or wrong to convict despite the defence of "not knowing".
  • eekeek Posts: 29,741
    Taz said:

    The BBC is not just a news organisation.

    The license fee is not popular. Far from it.
    It may not be popular but it's the easiest way of raising the money it needs.

    Literally the only thing I would be changing at the moment would be:

    1) remove the threat of jail for licence fee dodging
    2) start a proper debate on how the BBC should work going forward
    3) fix the licence fee but from 2025 or 2026 onwards so that the BBC has money for the next 2 years and time to plot its future.

    The lack of an increase in 2022/23/24 means that the BBC will adopt a red arrows approach and bin popular things for point scoring reasons. Radio 5 live and then BBC 4 followed by BBC 2 seem to be the planned cuts.
  • This is so out of touch with how people consume content these days. Not even just the “young”.
    Possibly but when you sit in front of a PC at work it becomes normal.

    Its a lot cheaper and means you're seeing the world through a 24+ inch screen not a 3 inch.

    Nor do you get withdrawal symptoms if you're not constantly tapping into a mobile.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,151
    🚨Would the public forgive Johnson for partygate scandals if he resigned?

    🇬🇧All adults
    Would 30%
    Would not 56%

    🌳2019 Con
    Would 42%
    Would not 43%

    2,166 UK adults, 14-16 Jan https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1483732212965163008/photo/1
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    You can’t download the entire Spotify catalogue
    I stream it through Chrome on my desktop when I’m at work. They gave us these stupid call centre type headphones to use with Teams and I’ll be arsed if I’m not going to make full use of them.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Thread:

    For those who still care about UK/EU relations, the EU side admits to being “charmed” by @trussliz last week. She will now meet @MarosSefcovic in Bxl next Monday. Despite - or because of - the madness in Westminster, things are looking up for UK/EU 1/

    https://twitter.com/mij_europe/status/1483731805626904585?s=21
  • eekeek Posts: 29,741

    You can’t download the entire Spotify catalogue
    Downloads work if you have a fixed(ish) playlist, they don't work if you treat Spotify as radio without annoying DJs.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,166

    2GB of data is nowt. Even 10GB is fairly low.
    Not if you WFH. I'm only doing about 5GB a month at the mo.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    DougSeal said:

    Sure. That’s what drives support for independence and rightly so. However the take by the National is designed to reinforce those fears rather than reflect reality. They may well win the next election but they won’t go early. After 2017 there is no way a new Tory leader would risk an 80 seat majority (even just denting it) with an early election - esp before the boundary changes. That’s the proposition you approvingly posted - and it’s bollocks.
    The take by the Express is designed to reinforce fears rather than reflect reality.
    The take by the Mail is designed to reinforce fears rather than reflect reality.
    The take by the Telegraph is designed to reinforce fears rather than reflect reality.

    It’s what newspapers do.

    If the National publishes “bollocks” then boo hoo.

    (Incidentally, the strongest part of Wee Ginger Dug’s piece was not the bit I copy n pasted. But then you lot are hardly the intended audience.)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163

    My girlfriend uses many gigabytes a day listening to Spotify at work because they’re not allowed to have personal devices on WiFi
    That seems like an expensive way to listen to music compared to owning copies of the stuff and storing that on a phone, but if she thinks it's worth the expense then it's not my place to argue.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012

    Exactly. Scots cannot simply discount Con Maj and another decade of being ruled by the Tories, despite them losing every election in our country since the 1950s.
    This is true. If you want big time constitutional change you have to take your chance when it comes.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Foxy said:

    Yes, pretty soon we will see that the lying bunch of chancers weren't suddenly competent at trade and foreign policy, but screwed that up too.

    Lib Dems will push for SM membership, but not Rejoin in the short term. The SNP, PC and SF will be for their nations to Rejoin as independent states.

    Ultimately the biggest obstacle to Rejoin will be the break up of the UK. Without Scotland and NI the hurdle to Rejoin gets a lot higher.
    Or being completely surrounded by EU states may change the calculation for a lot of people.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,224
    edited January 2022

    No employer I’ve ever worked for (quite a few now) has ever allowed personal devices to connect to WiFi
    The distinction is blurred now by WFH. Are employees only using work-issued kit to connect from home to their work network? And are all employees using dedicated work-only home networks or are they just on their domestic wifi shared with two teenagers and using a router whose firmware has not been updated since the old king died and that still has the default admin password?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Farooq said:

    Why? I'm fucking sick of comedians in politics. Give me sensible people like Starmer or Hunt.
    Exactly.

    (One of Sturgeon’s greatest strengths is that she lacks the common compulsion to crack jokes all the time.)
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    He’s a lazy man who thinks he’s pretending to be lazy.
    Extraordinarily poor self-awareness is his key personality trait.
    The Guardian long read on Cummings and his feud with Johnson was interesting on this. It basically said that Johnson is stupid and lacking in self awareness most of the time, but occasionally when his interests are threatened he focuses and becomes intelligent and self aware. Cummings is the opposite - forensic and reflective most of the time, but prone to occasional bouts of stupidity under pressure.
    Of course I wish the fate of the country wasn't tied up in the tiresome soggy biscuit game that these two over-privileged wankers are engaged in.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    You can’t download the entire Spotify catalogue
    I have a hundred hours or so of playlists downloaded, for commuting and office listening over a couple of weeks.

    This is fascinating, today’s youngsters have apparently never known mobile data scarcity, so they are running through hundreds of gigs of data a month.

    How much energy could we save, if they all stop doing that? And the crypto mining of course.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    DougSeal said:

    Or being completely surrounded by EU states may change the calculation for a lot of people.
    The opening credits to Dad's Army come to mind for some reason.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,344
    Roger said:

    He needs to pulverise him with wit. Not his forte unfortunately.
    Today Starmer needs to demonstrate faux outrage at all those sitting behind Johnson. He can direct his ire at them via Johnson. Johnson is already covered in ordure, Starmer needs to spread it around a little.

    Conservative MPs' indecision, inertia, inaction, acceptance of law breaking, of laughing at the little people, condoning parties whilst the Queen cried alone in Windsor Chapel. Johnson is already exposed enough, time to focus on the Party that enabled him.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Have the wasters, nonentities and no-marks in the PCP got their 54 letters in yet? This is getting boring.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Roger said:

    He needs to pulverise him with wit. Not his forte unfortunately.
    That’s reading the public mood exactly wrong. They’re not laughing at this. Furthermore Starmer is ahead right now by not being Johnson. Trying to be Johnson is exactly the wrong approach.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,137
    Farooq said:

    Why? I'm fucking sick of comedians in politics. Give me sensible people like Starmer or Hunt.
    Yes. A big part of the problem with today's politics is that we voters judge our politicians by criteria that are (at best) peripheral to actually doing a decent job.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Latest #COVID19 data show the rate for all reinfections has increased since early December 2021 - likely driven by the Omicron variant.

    The risk of reinfection was 16 times higher in the Omicron-dominant period compared to the Delta-dominant period http://ow.ly/iO2w50HxGA2


    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1483733905635258372?s=20
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    Many people also use their phones to stream music and sat navs in the car. That obviously uses quite a bit of data.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    Like many people I take evasive action to avoid some of the creeping increases - some ready meals (my staple fare) remain cheap, but you have to avoid lazily sticking to what you usually get as the price nudges upwards. I do notice some sneaky unadvertised cuts in quantity, though tbh it's probably healthy to eat a bit less.
    Nick I think PB should club together to buy you a cook book.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    Sandpit said:

    I have a hundred hours or so of playlists downloaded, for commuting and office listening over a couple of weeks.

    This is fascinating, today’s youngsters have apparently never known mobile data scarcity, so they are running through hundreds of gigs of data a month.

    How much energy could we save, if they all stop doing that? And the crypto mining of course.
    I’m 30 in a few weeks. Data hasn’t been scarce for at least 5+ years. Its there to be used.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,568
    So, the significance of this morning is that we have not been told What The Bradybird Heard.

    Wonder if there will be an evening postbag.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    The distinction is blurred now by WFH. Are employees only using work-issued kit to connect from home to their work network? And are all employees using dedicated work-only home networks or are they just on their domestic wifi shared with two teenagers and using a router whose firmware has not been updated since the old king died and that still has the default admin password?
    It’s a big employment law issue. From simple things like not shredding papers, through lawyers from different firms in small flats unable to have confidential client calls, up to sophisticated data breaches, WFH is taking up a lot of my time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,137

    Thread:

    For those who still care about UK/EU relations, the EU side admits to being “charmed” by @trussliz last week. She will now meet @MarosSefcovic in Bxl next Monday. Despite - or because of - the madness in Westminster, things are looking up for UK/EU 1/

    https://twitter.com/mij_europe/status/1483731805626904585?s=21

    An interesting thread. A bit more realism in the Brexit process would be welcome; delivering the outcome will be a real test of her political skills however.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266

    Nick I think PB should club together to buy you a cook book.
    Or, indeed, a cook
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,401

    This is so out of touch with how people consume content these days. Not even just the “young”.
    Possibly. But the costs of providing that much bandwidth is far from negligible. Like anything in life, if you use it, then someone has to pay for it. If using 100GB a month costs you too much, the obvious answer is to use slightly less data.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,473
    Farooq said:

    Why? I'm fucking sick of comedians in politics. Give me sensible people like Starmer or Hunt.
    The killer line can destroy in a way nothing else can and wit makes a line more memorable. People don't enjoy watching someone being beaten up.

    During the first Starmer attack dog PMQ's his most memorable effective and oft repeated line was one about Ant and Dec. Not even particularly funny but the only one that stays in the memory and the laughter brought everyone on side
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,344
    edited January 2022
    Chris said:

    I expect they'll say that Boris Johnson relied on other people to read his diary for him.
    He's got us there, as I suspect that is quite likely.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Roger said:

    The killer line can destroy in a way nothing else can and wit makes a line more memorable. People don't enjoy watching someone being beaten up.

    During the first Starmer attack dog PMQ's his most memorable effective and oft repeated line was one about Ant and Dec. Not even particularly funny but the only one that stays in the memory and the laughter brought everyone on side
    Not at the moment though. He needs to be the adult in the room compared to Johnson’s man-child.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited January 2022

    I’m 30 in a few weeks. Data hasn’t been scarce for at least 5+ years. Its there to be used.
    I’m 44, and remember when GPRS was a new thing, and Blackberry made millions from their data compression algorithms and corporate device management software so that people could check their emails.

    I use the mobile data for Signal, iMessage, email, sat nav, google and occasionally PB.

    Edit: to be fair, Mr Eagles is the same age as me, and he’s in terabits per month territory!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Nick I think PB should club together to buy you a cook book.
    I find it baffling - and inordinately annoying - that a super-bright open-minded guy like Nick can’t be bothered to teach himself to cook. Ready meals are full of shit, and cooking should be something we all learn.

    I’d be up for making a donation to the Nick Cook Book Fund.
  • The Big Dog surely can't survive today....
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Heathener said:

    Incidentally, it's not just the cost of food. It's also the quality. I've really noticed some rubbish especially in fruit and veg.

    You have to be careful about that because often it's a consequence of a poor growing season for a particular vegetable.

    For example, the onions in our veg box, where most of the produce is grown in East Lothian, have been very small this winter, which we think must be due to a poor summer.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485

    Have the wasters, nonentities and no-marks in the PCP got their 54 letters in yet? This is getting boring.

    What's your problem?

    November 1990 was so exciting because it went on for so long - the Howe sacking, the resignation speech, would Heseltine go for it? If this place had existed then....

    While I would much prefer the voters giving Johnson the denouement he so richly deserves with at the same time the helpful by-product of condemning the Conservative Party to an extended period of Opposition, MPs seeing their majorities and career prospects evaporating in front of them may well decide out of motivated self-interest the man who got them elected now has to go.

    Stretching this farrago out over several days will provide useful entertainment.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,151
    🚨🗳️When do UK adults want the next general election?

    2022: 38% (+10)
    2023: 17% (-5)
    Sum 2024: 29% (+4)
    DK: 16% (-9)

    2,166 UK adults, 14-16 Jan (chng. from 12-14 Nov)

    *2024 figure relates to on or before 2nd May https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1483736960107745281/photo/1
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Roger said:

    The killer line can destroy in a way nothing else can and wit makes a line more memorable. People don't enjoy watching someone being beaten up.
    “He was the future once”

    “From Stalin to Mr Bean”

    “It’s rather like sending our opening batsmen to the crease only for them to find that before the first ball is bowled, their bats have been broken by the team captain.”
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    algarkirk said:

    This is true. If you want big time constitutional change you have to take your chance when it comes.

    Thank you for the lesson 😉
  • eekeek Posts: 29,741

    The Big Dog surely can't survive today....

    Oh he can survive ages as he has until the point Tory MPs actually get sorted...
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Och no, beyond my pay grade. Mainly Trickers and R.M.Williams (I think their boots still qualify).
    The St James’s maker is worth every penny.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,401
    edited January 2022
    Sandpit said:

    I’m 44, and remember when GPRS was a new thing, and Blackberry made millions from their data compression algorithms and corporate device management software so that people could check their emails.

    I use the mobile data for Signal, iMessage, email, sat nav, google and occasionally PB.
    Acorn (well, Pace at that time...) had a project to make a fax compressor. You attach the unit to your fax machine, and it would compress the data before sending, to allow another unit to decompress it at the other end.

    We were doing the work for a client, but AIUI there was an argument over patents (not at our end), and by the time that was nearly resolved, faxes had gone right out of fashion.

    I've a working unit in the garage. Not a prototype; a fully boxed unit with manual.

    It's surprising how fast tech can go out of fashion.

    Edit: this is it: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/46352/Daytona-Netfax-NFX101/ Oddly, I know who the donor of that unit is from his description. ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    edited January 2022

    I find it baffling - and inordinately annoying - that a super-bright open-minded guy like Nick can’t be bothered to teach himself to cook. Ready meals are full of shit, and cooking should be something we all learn.

    I’d be up for making a donation to the Nick Cook Book Fund.
    Just me, but living on ready meals (even though they might have generally improved) would feel like purgatory. A precursor to one of those dystopian visions from the future where we will just survive on a tablet a day.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,825

    I think I would grudgingly accept the term Champagne Socialist being applied to me even though I don't like Champagne.
    I do like champagne, in fact, but I like socialism even more. Choice between a chilled bottle of top dollar fizz, early summers evening on the terrace with the one I love, and a new economic model based on common ownership of the means of production & exchange, and it's an absolute no-brainer.

    "My round, I think. What do you want, Kuntibula?"

    "Cheers. Same again. A new economic model based on ..."

    "Ok, got it."
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Boris was present in the role of Prime Minister but not participating?
  • Roger said:

    The killer line can destroy in a way nothing else can and wit makes a line more memorable. People don't enjoy watching someone being beaten up.

    During the first Starmer attack dog PMQ's his most memorable effective and oft repeated line was one about Ant and Dec. Not even particularly funny but the only one that stays in the memory and the laughter brought everyone on side
    It’s tricky if you’re not a natural wit, jokes just end up sounding like they were designed by your team rather than actual off the cuff zingers. My problem with Starmer’s wallpaper stunt was that it was obviously thought up by someone else and it was cringey as fuck, not its hilarity quotient.

    Thatcher was a stranger to humour and it didn’t do her much harm, until she went off the deep end.
  • Boris was present in the role of Prime Minister but not participating?

    For 2 years.....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,682
    edited January 2022

    Indeed - which may or may not have been part of the plan - it caused many of the terrorists to become disillusioned with terrorism.

    Join up to fight the Evul Brits or the Evul Catholics, great. Join up to murder your own side in a never ending series of hunt-the-tout, with the added fun of being accused of being a tout... not so much.
    It always seems ironic to me that the IRA killed roughly the same numbers of Catholics and Protestants.

    On the use of intelligence, it's interesting comparing how the UK Govt did it in WW1 vs WW2, in both cases where enemy codes were extensively broken. At Jutland for example the Admiralty shot themselves in the foot by keeping the codebreakers too close to the detail, such that when the Admiralty was asking stupid questions the codebreakers did not have enough context to be able to tell.

    On shoot-to-kill, I've never fully understood the phrase, other than as political anti-marketing. What is the alternative when facing a terrorist with a gun - shoot-to-not-kill?

    There are questions around rules of engagement, perhaps - which is a different issue imo.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    DougSeal said:

    Or being completely surrounded by EU states may change the calculation for a lot of people.
    +1
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Acorn (well, Pace at that time...) had a project to make a fax compressor. You attach the unit to your fax machine, and it would compress the data before sending, to allow another unit to decompress it at the other end.

    We were doing the work for a client, but AIUI there was an argument over patents (not at our end), and by the time that was nearly resolved, faxes had gone right out of fashion.

    I've a working unit in the garage. Not a prototype; a fully boxed unit with manual.

    It's surprising how fast tech can go out of fashion.

    Edit: this is it: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/46352/Daytona-Netfax-NFX101/ Oddly, I know who the donor of that unit is from his description. ;)
    Very cool. Today’s kids can I guess add a modem handshaking noise, to the long list of things they won’t ever have heard.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,151

    My problem with Starmer’s wallpaper stunt was that it was obviously thought up by someone else and it was cringey as fuck, not its hilarity quotient.

    And yet it lingers.

    Perhaps the definition of an effective stunt
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    Sandpit said:

    Very cool. Today’s kids can I guess add a modem handshaking noise, to the long list of things they won’t ever have heard.
    "This house is in your price range" can be added to the list.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    edited January 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    And yet it lingers.

    Perhaps the definition of an effective stunt
    Only in the way Ed Miliband going to Greggs for his lunch that one time in his life does i.e looking a berk.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005

    No employer I’ve ever worked for (quite a few now) has ever allowed personal devices to connect to WiFi
    Every (recent) employer I have known have two WiFi networks. One for the work laptops to use and the other a free public WiFi for visitors, personal phones etc. I pay £6/month for 3GB of data but as I am entirely WFH I rarely get through half of that as I am on my home broadband. My 12yo daughter I recently upgraded to 10GB for £8/month as she got through the 3GB with her bus journeys to get to school.

    As for how much people spend on phones for me it seems crazy. The reason so many people have iPhone 13 Pro Max Plus 1TBs is that they are not paying up-front for them but instead spending large amounts each month. I spend around £150 to £200 every 2 years for a new Android phone probably equivalent in capability to a year or two old flagship iPhone.

    My daughter's birthday is approaching and she is very keen to get an iPhone for her birthday (she has a 2 year old Android but still pretty decent). I personally detest all Apple devices due to their vast overpricing. I've set a budget for it for her which is probably only enough for a rather tired second hand X or 11 which is of course, not what she wants. She can have a very decent brand new Android for the same price. Up to her now what she wants to do!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    DougSeal said:

    Or being completely surrounded by EU states may change the calculation for a lot of people.
    +1

    The Guardian long read on Cummings and his feud with Johnson was interesting on this. It basically said that Johnson is stupid and lacking in self awareness most of the time, but occasionally when his interests are threatened he focuses and becomes intelligent and self aware. Cummings is the opposite - forensic and reflective most of the time, but prone to occasional bouts of stupidity under pressure.
    Of course I wish the fate of the country wasn't tied up in the tiresome soggy biscuit game that these two over-privileged wankers are engaged in.
    It is a weakness of the British state that such unsuitable characters gain unfettered power on a minority of the vote, and the consent of only 1 out of the 4 member countries.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    "This house is in your price range" can be added to the list.
    I think they will hear that soon.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,151
    Sandpit said:

    Very cool. Today’s kids can I guess add a modem handshaking noise, to the long list of things they won’t ever have heard.

    I am partial to the opening seconds of Duran Duran Girls on Film, featuring a 35mm camera with motor wind
  • I find it baffling - and inordinately annoying - that a super-bright open-minded guy like Nick can’t be bothered to teach himself to cook. Ready meals are full of shit, and cooking should be something we all learn.

    I’d be up for making a donation to the Nick Cook Book Fund.
    There are good quality ready meals available from a supermarket near you. It's not just cheap meat, salt and sugar any more.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,401
    Sandpit said:

    Very cool. Today’s kids can I guess add a modem handshaking noise, to the long list of things they won’t ever have heard.
    I wasn't on that project, but it had a really complex state machine at its core (for its day). It also had a really cute graphics involving a waving fax machine. I might get it out of the garage and see if it works...

    The attached article that details the patent issues shows how people can lose millions in tech, and the way many really good ideas never pay off..
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,166

    There are good quality ready meals available from a supermarket near you. It's not just cheap meat, salt and sugar any more.
    Yup. And for me, a really useful tool for counting calories and keeping portion size down. Whenever I cook I end up eating enough for three people.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Scott_xP said:

    And yet it lingers.

    Perhaps the definition of an effective stunt
    Better an effective stunt like Starmer than a cunning stunt like Johnson.
  • Scott_xP said:

    And yet it lingers.

    Perhaps the definition of an effective stunt
    Cameron's chauffer and cycle stunt lingered as well.

    If it lingers its backfired.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited January 2022
    AlistairM said:

    Every (recent) employer I have known have two WiFi networks. One for the work laptops to use and the other a free public WiFi for visitors, personal phones etc. I pay £6/month for 3GB of data but as I am entirely WFH I rarely get through half of that as I am on my home broadband. My 12yo daughter I recently upgraded to 10GB for £8/month as she got through the 3GB with her bus journeys to get to school.

    As for how much people spend on phones for me it seems crazy. The reason so many people have iPhone 13 Pro Max Plus 1TBs is that they are not paying up-front for them but instead spending large amounts each month. I spend around £150 to £200 every 2 years for a new Android phone probably equivalent in capability to a year or two old flagship iPhone.

    My daughter's birthday is approaching and she is very keen to get an iPhone for her birthday (she has a 2 year old Android but still pretty decent). I personally detest all Apple devices due to their vast overpricing. I've set a budget for it for her which is probably only enough for a rather tired second hand X or 11 which is of course, not what she wants. She can have a very decent brand new Android for the same price. Up to her now what she wants to do!
    The cheapest new iPhone is the SE2 which, at £389, is cheaper than the £499 first iPhone was back in 2007.
  • Scott_xP said:

    And yet it lingers.

    Perhaps the definition of an effective stunt
    The punch line which is bad smelling BJ lingers, outside political nerds I’m not sure if SKS in his suit looking at wallpaper is even a memory.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Sandpit said:

    Very cool. Today’s kids can I guess add a modem handshaking noise, to the long list of things they won’t ever have heard.
    Can you guess the age of a person by the speed of their first modem? Mine was 14.4k...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Applicant said:

    Wow. I didn't think that would even be possible with how much wifi there is available.
    Not all wifi is of usable quality and sometimes the procedures for registering on networks can be a right pain. I find it simpler just to leave mobile data on all the time and keep wifi switched off. I have an unlimited plan so it does not cost any more than not using it ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    edited January 2022

    The Guardian long read on Cummings and his feud with Johnson was interesting on this. It basically said that Johnson is stupid and lacking in self awareness most of the time, but occasionally when his interests are threatened he focuses and becomes intelligent and self aware. Cummings is the opposite - forensic and reflective most of the time, but prone to occasional bouts of stupidity under pressure.
    Of course I wish the fate of the country wasn't tied up in the tiresome soggy biscuit game that these two over-privileged wankers are engaged in.
    I don't think that is true of Cummings. He reads extensively, he is good at identifying problems, but terrible at producing workable solutions and totally lacking in self awareness that his approach is pissing everybody off around him, such that they won't go along with his plans, in fact they dig in against his ideas.

    This solution seems to always be, well if we could blow everything up and start again with me in charge, it would work. Which for many problems in politics you can't start a fresh e.g. you can't just shut the NHS and start again, or switch off the benefits system for a year while you pivot to a better approach like some silicon valley VC backed start-up.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,401
    Scott_xP said:

    I am partial to the opening seconds of Duran Duran Girls on Film, featuring a 35mm camera with motor wind
    The buzzing sound of a dot-matrix printer is something you don't hear anymore. Or a room full of them.

    Or the clack-clack of a typing pool with manual typewriters (I am just about old enough to have heard that.)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    stodge said:

    What's your problem?

    November 1990 was so exciting because it went on for so long - the Howe sacking, the resignation speech, would Heseltine go for it? If this place had existed then....

    While I would much prefer the voters giving Johnson the denouement he so richly deserves with at the same time the helpful by-product of condemning the Conservative Party to an extended period of Opposition, MPs seeing their majorities and career prospects evaporating in front of them may well decide out of motivated self-interest the man who got them elected now has to go.

    Stretching this farrago out over several days will provide useful entertainment.
    Disagree.

    The longer it goes on, the more likely they'll lose momentum. And a vonc trigger is by no means the end game – the vonc must be won.

    Get the letters in you ditherers, put up or shut up.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    It’s tricky if you’re not a natural wit, jokes just end up sounding like they were designed by your team rather than actual off the cuff zingers. My problem with Starmer’s wallpaper stunt was that it was obviously thought up by someone else and it was cringey as fuck, not its hilarity quotient.

    Thatcher was a stranger to humour and it didn’t do her much harm, until she went off the deep end.
    Thatcher could be very, very funny. Unfortunately for her, she didn’t mean to be.

    Wasn’t her Desert Island Discs a notorious flop? Maggie lacked a ‘hinterland’. Quite sad.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,825
    IshmaelZ said:

    Tip for SKS

    Focus on claim Bojo tried to go and see queenie while infectious and Dom C stopped him. NOT a party claim so not vulnerable to the Wait for S Gray to report counter.

    That really would kill him stone dead

    Yep. He tried to kill the Queen basically. That's at least as serious as partying in lockdown.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Can you guess the age of a person by the speed of their first modem? Mine was 14.4k...
    That would have been about 1994, so you’re probably a handful of years older than me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,292
    IanB2 said:

    An interesting thread. A bit more realism in the Brexit process would be welcome; delivering the outcome will be a real test of her political skills however.
    Truss is one for Any Deal is better than No Deal. Anther notch on her bedpost, and leave the consequences for later.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    IshmaelZ said:

    Tip for SKS

    Focus on claim Bojo tried to go and see queenie while infectious and Dom C stopped him. NOT a party claim so not vulnerable to the Wait for S Gray to report counter.

    That really would kill him stone dead

    Spot on.

    This is the absolute killer point. Johnson was willing to risk killing the elderly monarch out of pure laziness and selfishness.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    There are good quality ready meals available from a supermarket near you. It's not just cheap meat, salt and sugar any more.
    There are better quality ready meals available – yet it's all varying degrees of shite.

    Learn to cook. FFS.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,509

    Can you guess the age of a person by the speed of their first modem? Mine was 14.4k...
    2.5p for next day delivery
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Eabhal said:

    Yup. And for me, a really useful tool for counting calories and keeping portion size down. Whenever I cook I end up eating enough for three people.
    At least you can cook.
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