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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    stjohn said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The German press is having fun trying to translate the so-called 'Pork Pie Putsch' against Boris Johnson. „Schweinefleisch-Pasteten-Putsch“ doesn't quite have the same ring to it welt.de/politik/auslan…

    https://twitter.com/germanatpompey/status/1483683574809247746?s=21

    Schweinefleisch-Pasteten-Putsch sounds pretty good to me.
    Bit of a mouthful.
    I love pork pies I do!

    Meanwhile. Isn’t Pork Pie Plot the save Boris Daily Mail and others used, actually not a unnecessary blue on blue insult straight out of Johnson’s clueless number 10 cabal? 10 redwallers considered putting letters in after PMQs, but after insults from number 10 and the Daily Mail front page, 12 put their letters in this morning?
    Quite probably. They seem to have changes the policy of shooting at their own feet with a pistol... and are using a machine gun now....
    Ratatat! 😆

    You love your guns and bombs and your wars don’t you Malmsy?
    I like the comedy - all the people so sure that in *their case* "Dieu et mon droit".

    I guess I have a sick mind....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    Oh wow, are we going to see an actual floor-crossing?
  • SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    Does that count as a red wall constituency? Remarkable powers of self preservation from the lad if that is the case.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    geoffw said:

     

    Heathener said:

    Incidentally, it's not just the cost of food. It's also the quality. I've really noticed some rubbish especially in fruit and veg.

    Like many people I take evasive action to avoid some of the creeping increases - some ready meals (my staple fare) remain cheap, but you have to avoid lazily sticking to what you usually get as the price nudges upwards. I do notice some sneaky unadvertised cuts in quantity, though tbh it's probably healthy to eat a bit less.
    Nick I think PB should club together to buy you a cook book.
    I find it baffling - and inordinately annoying - that a super-bright open-minded guy like Nick can’t be bothered to teach himself to cook. Ready meals are full of shit, and cooking should be something we all learn.

    I’d be up for making a donation to the Nick Cook Book Fund.
    There are good quality ready meals available from a supermarket near you. It's not just cheap meat, salt and sugar any more.
    Saw this in my coffee break - sympathy appreciated! I wouldn't normally chat about my private life but since you kindly ask - I've had some gentle tuition from Cyclefree and other friends and can now make an omelette and enjoy some pasta dishes, and occasionally do.

    But it's a trade-off. I've three paid jobs (the animal welfare day job, translation and Council exec), an unpaid job (CLP chair), and diverse fun interests (movies, computer games...). I enjoy them all, and although I also enjoy good food I'm OK with passable food. I give most of my income away (lingering traces of my communist past - to each according to need and all that) so I'm reluctant to give up the revenue as someone will lose out if I do, and nudging 72 I'm puzzlingly healthy - no issues whatever. I optimise by never spending more than 10 minutes on making a meal unless I'm in company, and eating it while doing something else. I know it's a bit odd and I don't urge it on anyone, but it works for me.
    Sympathise. Ever since I was a child I've been struck by the disparity between the time it takes to cook a decent meal and the time it takes to consume one. OK, if you actually enjoy the process of cooking, but I resent the time it takes and the hassle. Once in a while, fine, but every evening?
    Well, this is one of the advantages of living with someone who also values good home-cooked food. You can take turns. Then there are many meals which keep well, so you can eat them two days in a row, or freeze well, so you can cook several dinners at a time.

    Put that all together and you might end up only cooking "properly" for one or two evenings a week (but eating delicious and nutritious home cooked food almost every day).
    Exactly how we work. But I can see that cooking for one is a bugger.

    It really isn't.

    Batch cook and freeze in single sized portions. It really is quite simple.

    I do wonder if PB is overrepresented by slightly geeky middle-aged blokes who were looked after for far too long by their mothers.

    Lol - well this PB Tory cooks - quuickly and generally pretty well. Totally self-taught - unlike baking it's not rocket science!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    🚨 SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes

    https://www.ft.com/content/5f12f0ae-7df4-4a0e-ab24-52bf9b378d6e
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    It was only a matter of time....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Chameleon said:
    The reply on that tweet suggests this has been planned even pre-Paterson:

    Henry Zeffman
    @hzeffman
    ·
    1m
    Replying to
    @hzeffman
    Wakeford has been in talks about a defection for four months. Starmer has been working on him personally
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Long, thoughtful and rather worrying article about Russia/Ukraine.
    https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/01/moscows-compellence-strategy/

    Feb 20th or somewhere around it might be the start.
  • Christian Wakeford defects to Labour
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    It was only a matter of time....
    BBC suggesting it may not necessarily be true?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    Possible timeline
    A storming Johnson PMQs performance today
    Covid restrictions eased substantially
    Gray report produces no surprises
    Wavering Tory MPs pull back from the brink
    Tories ease back towards parity in the polls
    Not saying it will happen. But it's far from impossible.

    Whether they are right or wrong now or were right or wrong then I think it's pretty pathetic for the 2019 Cons MPs to have seen Boris as the messiah when he helped them get elected two-odd years ago and now think he is a useless twat.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Andrew Bowie looking pretty shellshocked on politics live.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    Does that impact the number of letters required? Asking because nothing shocks me anymore.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 696
    RobD said:

    Chameleon said:
    The reply on that tweet suggests this has been planned even pre-Paterson:

    Henry Zeffman
    @hzeffman
    ·
    1m
    Replying to
    @hzeffman
    Wakeford has been in talks about a defection for four months. Starmer has been working on him personally
    Presumably this means one less VONC letter though.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779

    SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    Just before PMQs. There's not enough popcorn in the world for this.
  • NEW THREAD

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited January 2022
    Now BBC hearing it might be true

    Does his letter count if he is no longer a party member? Presumably not
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    Does that count as a red wall constituency? Remarkable powers of self preservation from the lad if that is the case.
    I should say not. The Bury and Bolton seats have been marginals for decades. I'm not a fan of defectors generally - but it's clearly not good news for Boris!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Nigelb said:

    Long, thoughtful and rather worrying article about Russia/Ukraine.
    https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/01/moscows-compellence-strategy/

    Feb 20th or somewhere around it might be the start.

    Interesting - we have confirmation that the US was selling Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The German press is having fun trying to translate the so-called 'Pork Pie Putsch' against Boris Johnson. „Schweinefleisch-Pasteten-Putsch“ doesn't quite have the same ring to it welt.de/politik/auslan…

    https://twitter.com/germanatpompey/status/1483683574809247746?s=21

    Schweinefleisch-Pasteten-Putsch sounds pretty good to me.
    Bit of a mouthful.
    I love pork pies I do!

    Meanwhile. Isn’t Pork Pie Plot the save Boris Daily Mail and others used, actually not a unnecessary blue on blue insult straight out of Johnson’s clueless number 10 cabal? 10 redwallers considered putting letters in after PMQs, but after insults from number 10 and the Daily Mail front page, 12 put their letters in this morning?
    Now I want a pork pie. With mustard. Or better still - HP sauce!
    Mustard or a farmhouse chutney. 🤤.

    Another proper conversation on PB
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    Re Wakeford, he's obviously decided that crossing the floor is the only way to ensure that his victories in 2019 and 2024 general elections will both be attributable to Johnson.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    TOPPING said:

    Possible timeline
    A storming Johnson PMQs performance today
    Covid restrictions eased substantially
    Gray report produces no surprises
    Wavering Tory MPs pull back from the brink
    Tories ease back towards parity in the polls
    Not saying it will happen. But it's far from impossible.

    Whether they are right or wrong now or were right or wrong then I think it's pretty pathetic for the 2019 Cons MPs to have seen Boris as the messiah when he helped them get elected two-odd years ago and now think he is a useless twat.
    This is politics no?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    Just before PMQs. There's not enough popcorn in the world for this.
    His letter won’t count now. Letters going backwards is a good news story for Boris fans.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    IanB2 said:

    Now BBC hearing it might be true

    Does his letter count if he is no longer a party member? Presumably not

    Great minds think alike! But you type more quickly than me 🙂
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    Possible timeline
    A storming Johnson PMQs performance today
    Covid restrictions eased substantially
    Gray report produces no surprises
    Wavering Tory MPs pull back from the brink
    Tories ease back towards parity in the polls
    Not saying it will happen. But it's far from impossible.

    Another left leaning poster desperate desperate desperate for Johnson to stay and Rishi not to come. Far from impossible interpretation of your post isn’t it? 🙂

    Not really. Though I do agree that Rishi is by far the best option the Tories have.

    Oh come on you can be more honest than that. Best option UK politics has?
    As an objective question - hmmmmm

    Imagine a list of a all the vaguely plausible potential PMs across all the parties..... Who would be the best PM?

    Not sure that Rishi would be the top entry. But he would be very high up
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Heathener said:

    And to those like HYUFD who say Sunak has no traction in the Red Wall, just read this:

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1483742694463741954?s=20

    'Asked who they prefer as PM, 42% of Red Wall voters opt for Rishi Sunak, with just 24% saying Boris Johnson.

    Conservative 2019 voters are also more likely to pick the Chancellor by 44% to 40%.'

    But that might be because he's associated with furlough and similar 'cuddly' covid policies. When austerity hits and they realize he's a traditional 'dry' Conservative I can see him struggling to appeal in these areas to anything like the extent that Johnson did.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    DougSeal said:

    SCOOP: Christian Wakeford, the Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour party.

    Formal announcement coming in five minutes


    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1483767025935790081

    Does that impact the number of letters required? Asking because nothing shocks me anymore.
    Oh we all thought it at once. 54th letter day.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The German press is having fun trying to translate the so-called 'Pork Pie Putsch' against Boris Johnson. „Schweinefleisch-Pasteten-Putsch“ doesn't quite have the same ring to it welt.de/politik/auslan…

    https://twitter.com/germanatpompey/status/1483683574809247746?s=21

    Schweinefleisch-Pasteten-Putsch sounds pretty good to me.
    Bit of a mouthful.
    I love pork pies I do!

    Meanwhile. Isn’t Pork Pie Plot the save Boris Daily Mail and others used, actually not a unnecessary blue on blue insult straight out of Johnson’s clueless number 10 cabal? 10 redwallers considered putting letters in after PMQs, but after insults from number 10 and the Daily Mail front page, 12 put their letters in this morning?
    Now I want a pork pie. With mustard. Or better still - HP sauce!
    Mustard or a farmhouse chutney. 🤤.

    Another proper conversation on PB
    Why not both?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    stjohn said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The German press is having fun trying to translate the so-called 'Pork Pie Putsch' against Boris Johnson. „Schweinefleisch-Pasteten-Putsch“ doesn't quite have the same ring to it welt.de/politik/auslan…

    https://twitter.com/germanatpompey/status/1483683574809247746?s=21

    Schweinefleisch-Pasteten-Putsch sounds pretty good to me.
    Bit of a mouthful.
    I love pork pies I do!

    Meanwhile. Isn’t Pork Pie Plot the save Boris Daily Mail and others used, actually not a unnecessary blue on blue insult straight out of Johnson’s clueless number 10 cabal? 10 redwallers considered putting letters in after PMQs, but after insults from number 10 and the Daily Mail front page, 12 put their letters in this morning?
    Quite probably. They seem to have changes the policy of shooting at their own feet with a pistol... and are using a machine gun now....
    Ratatat! 😆

    You love your guns and bombs and your wars don’t you Malmsy?
    I like the comedy - all the people so sure that in *their case* "Dieu et mon droit".

    I guess I have a sick mind....
    You are awful with your “meat grinders” but I still like you 🙂
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    IanB2 said:

    Now BBC hearing it might be true

    Does his letter count if he is no longer a party member? Presumably not

    Great minds think alike! But you type more quickly than me 🙂
    When choosing between two great minds, choose the faster one! ;’
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Sandpit said:

    I didn't know Rishi was a Leaver.

    https://www.rishisunak.com/news/why-i-will-vote-britain-leave-eu-0

    Incidentally I've become a fan of Harry's Farm (Clarkson's neighbour) on youtube. He's extremely unimpressed with the government's new agricultural policy. In particular with how Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland will be able to maintain farm payments as they are withdrawn in England (one to watch there). Government seems to be focusing solely on the environment/biodiversity and not bothering at all with food security.

    Harry’s very good. Like Clarkson, someone who made his name as a motoring journalist, he was the original publisher and shareholder of Evo magazine.
    He's got some crap cars though. All those Jags and RRs. His 1 of 33 930 Turbo S is cool but it has been over restored.

    I always feel the quiet despair of HubNut makes it the most authentically British automotive YouTube channel.

    Tommyfyeah is the best American. Even though his cars (90s JDM) aren't my thing he has really high standards and excellent attention to detail. I also like how aggressive and rude he is.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    I love politics

    🍿
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148

    geoffw said:

     

    Heathener said:

    Incidentally, it's not just the cost of food. It's also the quality. I've really noticed some rubbish especially in fruit and veg.

    Like many people I take evasive action to avoid some of the creeping increases - some ready meals (my staple fare) remain cheap, but you have to avoid lazily sticking to what you usually get as the price nudges upwards. I do notice some sneaky unadvertised cuts in quantity, though tbh it's probably healthy to eat a bit less.
    Nick I think PB should club together to buy you a cook book.
    I find it baffling - and inordinately annoying - that a super-bright open-minded guy like Nick can’t be bothered to teach himself to cook. Ready meals are full of shit, and cooking should be something we all learn.

    I’d be up for making a donation to the Nick Cook Book Fund.
    There are good quality ready meals available from a supermarket near you. It's not just cheap meat, salt and sugar any more.
    Saw this in my coffee break - sympathy appreciated! I wouldn't normally chat about my private life but since you kindly ask - I've had some gentle tuition from Cyclefree and other friends and can now make an omelette and enjoy some pasta dishes, and occasionally do.

    But it's a trade-off. I've three paid jobs (the animal welfare day job, translation and Council exec), an unpaid job (CLP chair), and diverse fun interests (movies, computer games...). I enjoy them all, and although I also enjoy good food I'm OK with passable food. I give most of my income away (lingering traces of my communist past - to each according to need and all that) so I'm reluctant to give up the revenue as someone will lose out if I do, and nudging 72 I'm puzzlingly healthy - no issues whatever. I optimise by never spending more than 10 minutes on making a meal unless I'm in company, and eating it while doing something else. I know it's a bit odd and I don't urge it on anyone, but it works for me.
    Sympathise. Ever since I was a child I've been struck by the disparity between the time it takes to cook a decent meal and the time it takes to consume one. OK, if you actually enjoy the process of cooking, but I resent the time it takes and the hassle. Once in a while, fine, but every evening?
    Well, this is one of the advantages of living with someone who also values good home-cooked food. You can take turns. Then there are many meals which keep well, so you can eat them two days in a row, or freeze well, so you can cook several dinners at a time.

    Put that all together and you might end up only cooking "properly" for one or two evenings a week (but eating delicious and nutritious home cooked food almost every day).
    Exactly how we work. But I can see that cooking for one is a bugger.

    It really isn't.

    Batch cook and freeze in single sized portions. It really is quite simple.

    I do wonder if PB is overrepresented by slightly geeky middle-aged blokes who were looked after for far too long by their mothers.

    Did they have those in Denmark?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148

    geoffw said:

     

    Heathener said:

    Incidentally, it's not just the cost of food. It's also the quality. I've really noticed some rubbish especially in fruit and veg.

    Like many people I take evasive action to avoid some of the creeping increases - some ready meals (my staple fare) remain cheap, but you have to avoid lazily sticking to what you usually get as the price nudges upwards. I do notice some sneaky unadvertised cuts in quantity, though tbh it's probably healthy to eat a bit less.
    Nick I think PB should club together to buy you a cook book.
    I find it baffling - and inordinately annoying - that a super-bright open-minded guy like Nick can’t be bothered to teach himself to cook. Ready meals are full of shit, and cooking should be something we all learn.

    I’d be up for making a donation to the Nick Cook Book Fund.
    There are good quality ready meals available from a supermarket near you. It's not just cheap meat, salt and sugar any more.
    Saw this in my coffee break - sympathy appreciated! I wouldn't normally chat about my private life but since you kindly ask - I've had some gentle tuition from Cyclefree and other friends and can now make an omelette and enjoy some pasta dishes, and occasionally do.

    But it's a trade-off. I've three paid jobs (the animal welfare day job, translation and Council exec), an unpaid job (CLP chair), and diverse fun interests (movies, computer games...). I enjoy them all, and although I also enjoy good food I'm OK with passable food. I give most of my income away (lingering traces of my communist past - to each according to need and all that) so I'm reluctant to give up the revenue as someone will lose out if I do, and nudging 72 I'm puzzlingly healthy - no issues whatever. I optimise by never spending more than 10 minutes on making a meal unless I'm in company, and eating it while doing something else. I know it's a bit odd and I don't urge it on anyone, but it works for me.
    Sympathise. Ever since I was a child I've been struck by the disparity between the time it takes to cook a decent meal and the time it takes to consume one. OK, if you actually enjoy the process of cooking, but I resent the time it takes and the hassle. Once in a while, fine, but every evening?
    Well, this is one of the advantages of living with someone who also values good home-cooked food. You can take turns. Then there are many meals which keep well, so you can eat them two days in a row, or freeze well, so you can cook several dinners at a time.

    Put that all together and you might end up only cooking "properly" for one or two evenings a week (but eating delicious and nutritious home cooked food almost every day).
    Exactly how we work. But I can see that cooking for one is a bugger.

    It really isn't.

    Batch cook and freeze in single sized portions. It really is quite simple.

    I do wonder if PB is overrepresented by slightly geeky middle-aged blokes who were looked after for far too long by their mothers.

    Did they have those in Denmark?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    Mr Wakeford:

    Today on my first vote as Member of Parliament, Boris Johnson’s great new deal has passed its Second Reading in Parliament, as we finally release the country from the stranglehold of indecision, restoring confidence to people and businesses and get Brexit done.
    https://www.christianwakeford.org.uk/news/brexit-bill-passes

    :wink:
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    edited January 2022
    Chameleon said:
    Pillock. He was elected as a conservative, many of the votes would have been for the party, not for him directly. If he can no longer represent the conservative party he should resign.
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