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SystemSystem Posts: 12,161
edited January 2022 in General
imageLords a-leaping – politicalbetting.com

“Too clever by half” – not a phrase instantly associated with Priti Patel. Yet her decision to make some significant substantive amendments to the Police, Crime and Sentencing Bill after the Commons had discussed it, amendments many of which were voted down by the Lords Monday night, now means that the government cannot reintroduce them when the Bill returns to the Commons. Not without introducing a fresh Bill. If they were so necessary she is now stuck. Alternatively, they were always a distraction and she will be able to get through what she always wanted. So what are these amendments and why the concern? The basic outlines of the Bill and the worries about it are here. S. 59 was quite bad enough with its proposal to limit any protest which might cause “serious unease” or “distress” to those hearing it. (If only those Tory voters expressing their fury about No 10’s parties had done so by taking to the streets, the government could simply have shut them down because of the “serious unease” it would cause Tory MPs. Not to mention the beleaguered PM needing silence while he decides which underlings to sacrifice first). But the government sought to do more and, in its trademark style, at the last minute without scrutiny by MPs.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Not really the point
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited January 2022
    Third like Lanark.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Exc with @denis_campbell:

    Ministers warned by DHSC officials over controversial policy making two-jabs mandatory for all NHS staff from 1 April.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jan/18/health-department-warning-over-vaccine-mandate-for-nhs-england-staff
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Farooq said:

    Too good to languish in a lame duck thread:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCL w/ ⁦@georgegrylls⁩

    At least 58 Conservative MPs have criticised Boris Johnson or his team in letters to constituents/Facebook posts/local press. Analysis reveals anger with the PM is much deeper than commonly appreciated in Westminster

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e463c5c4-789e-11ec-9998-b2483743c25e?shareToken=86802f95fc6bf2e290810d2b65025892

    Maybe but even if 54 have signed letters for a VONC they need 183 Tory MPs to vote against Boris in a VONC to remove him or he is safe for a year
    Hyufd, 'not able to face another VONC for a year' and 'safe for a year' are two very, very different things. Just ask Theresa May.
    You could try asking TMexPM, but right now you might have to wait for her to stop laughing first.

    Boris has to survive until September (I think) to beat her time in No 10.
    And I have to survive to 2085 to outlive Jeanne Calment. Ne va pas se passer.
    Jeanne Calment. Born BEFORE the Battle of Little Bighorn. Died AFTER the first Harry Potter book was published.
    No wonder she died.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Farooq said:

    rottenborough said:

    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.

    She can instruct whomever she appoints as Home Sec to continue the good work..
    Patel has as much chance of becoming PM as TSE has.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,890
    rottenborough said:

    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.

    Priti for Prime Minister, you mean? Good luck.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    💥 One furious Tory MP texts…

    “The whips & no10 briefing against junior MPs is a desperate low. Everyone is lambs to the slaughter for the man who wanted to be king of the World and pissed it all away.”
    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1483563824561233926
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    StuartDickson said:

    Third like Lanark.

    Lanark is in four parts, isn’t it?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Gardenwalker said:

    Vlad said:

    Farooq said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Vlad said:

    Bring back


    iSam!
    Charles!
    Eadric!
    David Herdson!
    Leon!
    Alistair Meeks!

    If they want!

    Whoa - has Leon gone?
    Libel, banned, everyone was happy.
    Now unbanned, but has returned with a second account. So we can look forward to his tedious wittering in stereo,
    You seem to dislike him? What did he do? I only lurked sporadically so I am unaware of the "granular backstory"

    Did you compare penii and come off badly? What?!

    This site is brilliant!
    Charles, your new identity is very unconvincing.

    “Penii” was the tell, as the only previous citation was a post where Charles explained that his Aunty Gladys explained the concept of the Crown-in-Parliament to him using borrowed members from the Hunterian collection.
    FPT - for heaven's sake it's penes. Not penii.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited January 2022
    rottenborough said:

    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.

    In which case she would bide her time on the backbenches, push a populist right agenda and look to take over as Leader of the Opposition if the Tories lose the next general election.

    Liberals I can understand may hate Patel's bill. However most Tory members are not liberals, certainly when it comes to law and order
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293
    eek said:

    Farooq said:

    rottenborough said:

    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.

    She can instruct whomever she appoints as Home Sec to continue the good work..
    Patel has as much chance of becoming PM as TSE has.
    Don't tempt fate...
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited January 2022
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    rottenborough said:

    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.

    Priti for Prime Minister, you mean? Good luck.
    50/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    One senior Tory has messaged me to say they are hearing there might be a statement from Sir Graham Brady first thing tomorrow morning and that the PM has been told tonight.
    Not confirmed - but there’s a sense of real movement tonight.
    #DowningStreetParties
    https://twitter.com/STVKathryn/status/1483562077478342656
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,890
    OT Is George Osborne wondering what might have been, had he not chucked it all in?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Scott_xP said:

    One senior Tory has messaged me to say they are hearing there might be a statement from Sir Graham Brady first thing tomorrow morning and that the PM has been told tonight.
    Not confirmed - but there’s a sense of real movement tonight.
    #DowningStreetParties
    https://twitter.com/STVKathryn/status/1483562077478342656

    Bloody hell, a senior Tory?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Carnyx said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    Vlad said:

    Farooq said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Vlad said:

    Bring back


    iSam!
    Charles!
    Eadric!
    David Herdson!
    Leon!
    Alistair Meeks!

    If they want!

    Whoa - has Leon gone?
    Libel, banned, everyone was happy.
    Now unbanned, but has returned with a second account. So we can look forward to his tedious wittering in stereo,
    You seem to dislike him? What did he do? I only lurked sporadically so I am unaware of the "granular backstory"

    Did you compare penii and come off badly? What?!

    This site is brilliant!
    Charles, your new identity is very unconvincing.

    “Penii” was the tell, as the only previous citation was a post where Charles explained that his Aunty Gladys explained the concept of the Crown-in-Parliament to him using borrowed members from the Hunterian collection.
    FPT - for heaven's sake it's penes. Not penii.
    That was my implicit point, I was just not gauche enough to spell it out.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    "One senior Tory has messaged me to say they are hearing there might be a statement from Sir Graham Brady first thing tomorrow morning and that the PM has been told tonight.
    Not confirmed - but there’s a sense of real movement tonight. "

    https://twitter.com/STVKathryn/status/1483562077478342656?s=20
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    Peston talking rubbish again

    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    ·
    2m
    As I just said on
    @itvnews
    , reliable source tells me 60:40 chance Sue Gray report will be published on Friday. She expects the PM to read it (maybe overnight Thursday) but not to make any changes. Or so I am told. Unusually the House is sitting on Friday. Tense few days for PM
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    2019er Tory MPs plot to remove Boris Johnson:

    * Some will submit letters after PMQs tomorrow, others are waiting until after Sue Gray's report. Described as 'two D-Days' for PM

    * Whips say rebels are completely open. 'They didn't even try to hide it'

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-mps-team-up-to-topple-boris-johnson-over-lockdown-parties-3xwd0lbgc
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Gardenwalker said:

    StuartDickson said:

    Third like Lanark.

    Lanark is in four parts, isn’t it?
    The Gray one, yes. But Third Lanark, like Glasgow Rangers, is an ex-Scottish footie club, or rather Scottish ex-fitba club. ,
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Benpointer said:

    "One senior Tory has messaged me to say they are hearing there might be a statement from Sir Graham Brady first thing tomorrow morning and that the PM has been told tonight.
    Not confirmed - but there’s a sense of real movement tonight. "

    https://twitter.com/STVKathryn/status/1483562077478342656?s=20

    Another Tory MP says he’s been told 54 letters are in place and PM is going to contest it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Gardenwalker said:

    Carnyx said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    Vlad said:

    Farooq said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Vlad said:

    Bring back


    iSam!
    Charles!
    Eadric!
    David Herdson!
    Leon!
    Alistair Meeks!

    If they want!

    Whoa - has Leon gone?
    Libel, banned, everyone was happy.
    Now unbanned, but has returned with a second account. So we can look forward to his tedious wittering in stereo,
    You seem to dislike him? What did he do? I only lurked sporadically so I am unaware of the "granular backstory"

    Did you compare penii and come off badly? What?!

    This site is brilliant!
    Charles, your new identity is very unconvincing.

    “Penii” was the tell, as the only previous citation was a post where Charles explained that his Aunty Gladys explained the concept of the Crown-in-Parliament to him using borrowed members from the Hunterian collection.
    FPT - for heaven's sake it's penes. Not penii.
    That was my implicit point, I was just not gauche enough to spell it out.
    Whatever, it's criminal (and, as you say, a useful documentary tell).
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.

    In which case she would bide her time on the backbenches, push a populist right agenda and look to take over as Leader of the Opposition if the Tories lose the next general election.

    Liberals I can understand may hate Patel's bill. However most Tory members are not liberals, certainly when it comes to law and order
    Her record in office is so poor though?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    StuartDickson said:

    Third like Lanark.

    I always thought Third Lanark was a curiously self-effacing name for a footbal team. "We're the third best team in Lanarkshire" isn't really one to set the pulse racing, though has the benefit of being grounded in reality.

    A quick google - because surely this can't be the case? - reveals it was actually the football club associated with the 3rd Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers. Which is almost a little disappointing.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.

    In which case she would bide her time on the backbenches, push a populist right agenda and look to take over as Leader of the Opposition if the Tories lose the next general election.

    Liberals I can understand may hate Patel's bill. However most Tory members are not liberals, certainly when it comes to law and order
    Good luck with that.

    Patel isn’t even popular with your fellow dopeheads.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    OT Is George Osborne wondering what might have been, had he not chucked it all in?

    I suspect Mr 10 jobs is looking at his bank balance and laughing
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    eek said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    OT Is George Osborne wondering what might have been, had he not chucked it all in?

    I suspect Mr 10 jobs is looking at his bank balance and laughing
    Really?

    Maybe it's me but I'd settle for £1m + being PM rather than £100m and no power.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Is there a race in the Tory party to dump Johnson before the nation realises they put him there?
    https://twitter.com/adamboultonTABB/status/1483565646227152903
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited January 2022
    It feels like Christmas Eve has come 11 months early. Waiting in anticipation for the big day to see what Sir Father Brady has in his sack.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    Gardenwalker said:

    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    There will be no fresh bill from Patel as she will no longer be Home Sec in a few weeks time.

    In which case she would bide her time on the backbenches, push a populist right agenda and look to take over as Leader of the Opposition if the Tories lose the next general election.

    Liberals I can understand may hate Patel's bill. However most Tory members are not liberals, certainly when it comes to law and order
    Good luck with that.

    Patel isn’t even popular with your fellow dopeheads.
    Leaders of the Opposition after a party lost power in a general election in the last 50 years.

    Thatcher, Foot, Hague, Ed Miliband.

    Centrists rarely win the leadership of their party when it first goes into opposition
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Is..is it worth asking about the cyan robots?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    Anushka Asthana
    @AnushkaAsthana
    ·
    52m
    NEW: the 20 MPs of the 2019 intake who met today did a secret ballot on how many had already submitted letters to Sir Graham Brady and over half of the group already had. They decided not to do a public statement -to protect other colleagues. But others persuaded to follow suit.

    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1483553657148870661
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    Not sure these proposals are all that radical. As a Wiganer I distinctly remember being subject to random stop and search on suspicion of intention to attend a protest based purely on my starting location.
    Then we were told which parts of the country we could and couldn't travel to.
    But that was during the Strike and we weren't middle class. I don't remember a great deal of libertarian outrage at the time.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    From the archive https://twitter.com/mortenmorland/status/1483469013707640838/photo/1


  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    And now they know their constituents wont vote for them unless they get rid of the lying, rule-breaking charlatan.

    Them's the breaks.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Exclusive:

    Boris Johnson accused of dismissing calls to isolate after showing Covid symptoms in March 2020, telling colleagues he was 'strong like bull' & banging chest

    PM went into isolation on March 27. Insiders say he had bad cough week earlier

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-mps-team-up-to-topple-boris-johnson-over-lockdown-parties-3xwd0lbgc
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited January 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    No point changing the man at the top but keeping the same pernicious Bills.

    Sunak and others voted for this dangerous nonsense.

    They all need to go.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    HYUFD said:

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine

    It gives us so much more than that.

    It gives us Nadine out on her arse for a start
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Is she about to be the shortest serving DCMS minister?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    How does that work - is Boris going to call a general election tomorrow?

    It’s one way of avoiding a leadership election
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    dixiedean said:

    Not sure these proposals are all that radical. As a Wiganer I distinctly remember being subject to random stop and search on suspicion of intention to attend a protest based purely on my starting location.
    Then we were told which parts of the country we could and couldn't travel to.
    But that was during the Strike and we weren't middle class. I don't remember a great deal of libertarian outrage at the time.

    Not sure how proletarian one had to be. I remember one of the better political reminiscences on PB - alas I forget the name; about being a drinks company representative at that time, being stopped and encouraged to donate the contents of his boot to refresh the plod.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    27th (regeneration) like Vlad
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    ·
    9m
    THE TIMES: Red wall Tory MPs team up to topple ⁦
    @BorisJohnson
    ⁩ #TomorrowsPapersToday
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215
    Scott_xP said:

    From the archive https://twitter.com/mortenmorland/status/1483469013707640838/photo/1


    I can't imagine that John Major would be that unhappy to see Bozza come to a sticky end.

    The truly fascinating one is covered by Boris's leg...

    What would Maggie Think?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited January 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Why don't you just resign as a conservative as you are so full of negativity the party would not miss you and Dorries is a disaster and needs sending to the back benches

    And I can take your place as I rejoin as Boris leaves
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    How does that work - is Boris going to call a general election tomorrow?

    It’s one way of avoiding a leadership election
    Under FTPA 2011- still in force - the PM has no such power.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Is she about to be the shortest serving DCMS minister?
    She is already the thickest ever DCMS, so why not go for the double?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Why don't you just resign as a conservative as you are so full of negatively the party would not miss you and Dorries is a disaster and needs sending to the back benches

    And I can take your place as I rejoin as Boris leaves
    I don't hate the Tory leader and PM unlike you.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    STAR: Pinocchio: I am not a liar https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1483567595638906881?s=20
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    Vlad said:

    I fear I am going to be banned soon, despite being a young, enthusiastic ballet-dancing if coquettish Scot Nat, very much embraced in the warm circle of Lady Sturgeon, so I am going to leave you with the warnings of other banned PB-ers


    Rod Crosby: THERE WAS AN AYURVEDIC SAUNA AT DACHAU
    iSam: ENOCH IS DEAD. HOWEVER
    Charles: MY HOUSE IS THE BEST IN THE AREA
    Stuart Dickson: LOOK, HERE IS MY IMPRESSIVELY LARGER TESTICLE
    Leon: I HAVE HAD MORE SEX THAN YOU HAHAHA
    Alistair Meeks: BREXIT IS DRIVING YOU ALL MAD YOU STUPID THICK UGLY WEIRDLY TINKLING CYAN ROBOTS

    You would be well-advised to heed them all.

    Goodbye

    Are you Kevin from Split in real life?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    From the archive https://twitter.com/mortenmorland/status/1483469013707640838/photo/1


    I can't imagine that John Major would be that unhappy to see Bozza come to a sticky end.

    The truly fascinating one is covered by Boris's leg...

    What would Maggie Think?
    She was fond of Boris and would remind him what happened to the Tories once they got rid of her.

    They lost 3 out of 4 general elections subsequently. Boris 'described the overthrowing of Margaret Thatcher 30 years ago as a “terrible event” on a par with the assassination of Julius Caesar.'
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-role-in-the-fall-of-margaret-thatcher-v9xqlmqqq
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    NEW: Boris Johnson will announce tomorrow that most Covid-19 restrictions will end in England, as PM struggles to contain a growing rebellion among Tory MPs.

    Cabinet fearful about northern rebellion: "They are inexperienced. It won’t amount to much.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1e52803-e11d-497b-93ba-aee559b9fc25
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not sure these proposals are all that radical. As a Wiganer I distinctly remember being subject to random stop and search on suspicion of intention to attend a protest based purely on my starting location.
    Then we were told which parts of the country we could and couldn't travel to.
    But that was during the Strike and we weren't middle class. I don't remember a great deal of libertarian outrage at the time.

    Not sure how proletarian one had to be. I remember one of the better political reminiscences on PB - alas I forget the name; about being a drinks company representative at that time, being stopped and encouraged to donate the contents of his boot to refresh the plod.
    No. Alas. Basically. Where you from? (And numberplates were a pretty big tell in those days).
    Turn around. You aren't free to travel around the country.
    Regardless of your intentions.
    Quite stunning it has been erased from the collective memory.
    Was just a tad more intrusive than having to wear a mask in Asda.
    And cheered to the rafters by the Right.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    :innocent:
    image
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    HYUFD said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    From the archive https://twitter.com/mortenmorland/status/1483469013707640838/photo/1


    I can't imagine that John Major would be that unhappy to see Bozza come to a sticky end.

    The truly fascinating one is covered by Boris's leg...

    What would Maggie Think?
    She was fond of Boris and would remind him what happened to the Tories once they got rid of her.

    They lost 3 out of 4 general elections subsequently. Boris 'described the overthrowing of Margaret Thatcher 30 years ago as a “terrible event” on a par with the assassination of Julius Caesar.'
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-role-in-the-fall-of-margaret-thatcher-v9xqlmqqq
    Last I heard from Boris was about how wrong Maggie was to create/enter the single market.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Why don't you just resign as a conservative as you are so full of negatively the party would not miss you and Dorries is a disaster and needs sending to the back benches

    And I can take your place as I rejoin as Boris leaves
    I don't hate the Tory leader and PM unlike you.

    You do hate this country tho.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Why don't you just resign as a conservative as you are so full of negatively the party would not miss you and Dorries is a disaster and needs sending to the back benches

    And I can take your place as I rejoin as Boris leaves
    I don't hate the Tory leader and PM unlike you.

    I do not hate Boris but then I cannot support his behaviour over Paterson, wallpapergate and partygate, and the trashing of the conservative brand

    You seem to be happy to predict years in opposition for the party so why not resign as you can hardly promote the party
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.

    Ooh, if Brady's announcement is a VoNC then tomorrow is going to be quite the day.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.

    Is that a prediction or a tip from somewhere?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Why don't you just resign as a conservative as you are so full of negatively the party would not miss you and Dorries is a disaster and needs sending to the back benches

    And I can take your place as I rejoin as Boris leaves
    I don't hate the Tory leader and PM unlike you.

    I do not hate Boris but then I cannot support his behaviour over Paterson, wallpapergate and partygate, and the trashing of the conservative brand

    You seem to be happy to predict years in opposition for the party so why not resign as you can hardly promote the party
    I am always loyal to the party, even in 2001 when you were happily voting Labour
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    It’ll also give us a new culture minister.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.

    Cabinet? In the morning? Open goal one would have thought. If any has the cojones to shoot.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    STAR: Pinocchio: I am not a liar https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1483567595638906881?s=20

    I'm laughing at the "All you ever wanted to know about Brian Blessed - page 8".
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Is that the end of the short and unamusing appearance of Vlad the Imbiber?

    Away to A&E to get stomach pumped. Thank goodness for key workers.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Why don't you just resign as a conservative as you are so full of negatively the party would not miss you and Dorries is a disaster and needs sending to the back benches

    And I can take your place as I rejoin as Boris leaves
    I don't hate the Tory leader and PM unlike you.

    I do not hate Boris but then I cannot support his behaviour over Paterson, wallpapergate and partygate, and the trashing of the conservative brand

    You seem to be happy to predict years in opposition for the party so why not resign as you can hardly promote the party
    I am always loyal to the party, even in 2001 when you were happily voting Labour
    Cymru am byth!!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215
    HYUFD said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    From the archive https://twitter.com/mortenmorland/status/1483469013707640838/photo/1


    I can't imagine that John Major would be that unhappy to see Bozza come to a sticky end.

    The truly fascinating one is covered by Boris's leg...

    What would Maggie Think?
    She was fond of Boris and would remind him what happened to the Tories once they got rid of her.

    They lost 3 out of 4 general elections subsequently. Boris 'described the overthrowing of Margaret Thatcher 30 years ago as a “terrible event” on a par with the assassination of Julius Caesar.'
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-role-in-the-fall-of-margaret-thatcher-v9xqlmqqq
    True, though I suspect that BoJo would have been put in the box labelled "amusing courtier"; Alan Clark without the Nazi references. "Even Macbeth has the Porter's scene" and all that.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Too good to languish in a lame duck thread:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCL w/ ⁦@georgegrylls⁩

    At least 58 Conservative MPs have criticised Boris Johnson or his team in letters to constituents/Facebook posts/local press. Analysis reveals anger with the PM is much deeper than commonly appreciated in Westminster

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e463c5c4-789e-11ec-9998-b2483743c25e?shareToken=86802f95fc6bf2e290810d2b65025892

    Maybe but even if 54 have signed letters for a VONC they need 183 Tory MPs to vote against Boris in a VONC to remove him or he is safe for a year
    Hyufd, 'not able to face another VONC for a year' and 'safe for a year' are two very, very different things. Just ask Theresa May.
    You could try asking TMexPM, but right now you might have to wait for her to stop laughing first.

    Boris has to survive until September (I think) to beat her time in No 10.
    And I have to survive to 2085 to outlive Jeanne Calment. Ne va pas se passer.
    Jeanne Calment. Born BEFORE the Battle of Little Bighorn. Died AFTER the first Harry Potter book was published.
    Also, born 6 months before the foundation of Hibernian F.C. (Insert joke about her life being too tragically brief for her to see them win a cup).
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Is that the end of the short and unamusing appearance of Vlad the Imbiber?

    This version lasted about as long as Paul McGann's Doctor.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    Nick Watt saying Johnson is by-passing whips and running a shadow whip operation of loyalists.

    Can't think why myself.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Called it.

    EXC As many as 20 Tory MPs from the 2019 intake are planning to submit letters of no confidence in Boris Johnson tomorrow.

    The number could breach the 54 letters required for a confidence vote. One 2019 Tory MP told me it could be the PM’s “D-Day”, adding: “His time has gone.

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1483544039555321864

    Whatever. If they are so keen to do it, why don’t they do it now?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Why don't you just resign as a conservative as you are so full of negatively the party would not miss you and Dorries is a disaster and needs sending to the back benches

    And I can take your place as I rejoin as Boris leaves
    I don't hate the Tory leader and PM unlike you.

    I do not hate Boris but then I cannot support his behaviour over Paterson, wallpapergate and partygate, and the trashing of the conservative brand

    You seem to be happy to predict years in opposition for the party so why not resign as you can hardly promote the party
    I am always loyal to the party, even in 2001 when you were happily voting Labour
    You voted for Plaid and you simply could not canvass for the party with a new leader in view of your statements
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    RandallFlagg said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Is that the end of the short and unamusing appearance of Vlad the Imbiber?

    This version lasted about as long as Paul McGann's Doctor.
    Although may have had a longer career than Fitz?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,890
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.

    Ah. Of course, this Cabinet might actually have been called for Boris to resign.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    One wonders what a scandal would be called if a politician was mired in controversy regarding some kind of outside doorway or entrance?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Still chuckling at @ydoethur ’s excellent wordplay earlier

    54 Shades of Gray

    Excellent work.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    dixiedean said:

    One wonders what a scandal would be called if a politician was mired in controversy regarding some kind of outside doorway or entrance?

    Plebgate?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    edited January 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not sure these proposals are all that radical. As a Wiganer I distinctly remember being subject to random stop and search on suspicion of intention to attend a protest based purely on my starting location.
    Then we were told which parts of the country we could and couldn't travel to.
    But that was during the Strike and we weren't middle class. I don't remember a great deal of libertarian outrage at the time.

    Not sure how proletarian one had to be. I remember one of the better political reminiscences on PB - alas I forget the name; about being a drinks company representative at that time, being stopped and encouraged to donate the contents of his boot to refresh the plod.
    No. Alas. Basically. Where you from? (And numberplates were a pretty big tell in those days).
    Turn around. You aren't free to travel around the country.
    Regardless of your intentions.
    Quite stunning it has been erased from the collective memory.
    Was just a tad more intrusive than having to wear a mask in Asda.
    And cheered to the rafters by the Right.
    The police behaved pretty disgracefully during the miner's strike. No reason to give them even more powers now.

    I really hope this Bill dies a death. Having another leader but keeping the same bad laws is - to me - no better than putting lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig.

    Maybe one or two of you will read the header. The stuff in the Bill may be dull compared to the No 10 comedy act but it is important.

    Sigh......
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Anabobazina said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Called it.

    EXC As many as 20 Tory MPs from the 2019 intake are planning to submit letters of no confidence in Boris Johnson tomorrow.

    The number could breach the 54 letters required for a confidence vote. One 2019 Tory MP told me it could be the PM’s “D-Day”, adding: “His time has gone.

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1483544039555321864

    Whatever. If they are so keen to do it, why don’t they do it now?
    Tad impatient. May looming bit too fast is it?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    .
    dixiedean said:

    One wonders what a scandal would be called if a politician was mired in controversy regarding some kind of outside doorway or entrance?

    Gatewaygate doesn't really have the right ring to it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    The more you think about that cartoon the more witless it is
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Not sure which idea is more pathetic. That Boris will fight the VONC. Or that a majority of Tory MPs might vote in his favour.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    rottenborough said:

    Nick Watt saying Johnson is by-passing whips and running a shadow whip operation of loyalists.

    Can't think why myself.

    He has loyalists? How many?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    Chameleon said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.

    Ooh, if Brady's announcement is a VoNC then tomorrow is going to be quite the day.
    Yes - it does look as though, if there's a VONC, Johnson is going to go down fighting rather than just quit. If he gets, say, 55% Stay vs 45% Go, do we think he'll then soldier on?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    I think obstructing a motorway should be at least 6 months, seeing as it's 20 years or thereabouts if you err 'unobstruct' it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Cyclefree said:

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not sure these proposals are all that radical. As a Wiganer I distinctly remember being subject to random stop and search on suspicion of intention to attend a protest based purely on my starting location.
    Then we were told which parts of the country we could and couldn't travel to.
    But that was during the Strike and we weren't middle class. I don't remember a great deal of libertarian outrage at the time.

    Not sure how proletarian one had to be. I remember one of the better political reminiscences on PB - alas I forget the name; about being a drinks company representative at that time, being stopped and encouraged to donate the contents of his boot to refresh the plod.
    No. Alas. Basically. Where you from? (And numberplates were a pretty big tell in those days).
    Turn around. You aren't free to travel around the country.
    Regardless of your intentions.
    Quite stunning it has been erased from the collective memory.
    Was just a tad more intrusive than having to wear a mask in Asda.
    And cheered to the rafters by the Right.
    The police behaved pretty disgracefully during the miner's strike. No reason to give them even more powers now.

    I really hope this Bill dies a death. Having another leader but keeping the same bad laws is - to me - no better than putting lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig.

    Maybe one or two of you will read the header. The stuff in the Bill may be dull compared to the No 10 comedy act but it is important.

    Sigh......
    Oh, I did read it all right, never fear. Been a little bit overtaken by events (i.e. Ms Patel might get the heave-ho) but, as you say all too well, it remains a serious issue.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    NickPalmer said:

    Chameleon said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.

    Ooh, if Brady's announcement is a VoNC then tomorrow is going to be quite the day.
    Yes - it does look as though, if there's a VONC, Johnson is going to go down fighting rather than just quit. If he gets, say, 55% Stay vs 45% Go, do we think he'll then soldier on?
    Bloody hope so. I’ve got a lot of popcorn to get through.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    NickPalmer said:

    Chameleon said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.

    Ooh, if Brady's announcement is a VoNC then tomorrow is going to be quite the day.
    Yes - it does look as though, if there's a VONC, Johnson is going to go down fighting rather than just quit. If he gets, say, 55% Stay vs 45% Go, do we think he'll then soldier on?
    On those figures, he'd probably say that it settles matters for a generation.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    A senior Tory MP tells @nicholaswatt that the balloon is about to go up and the target of 54 letters to trigger a vote of confidence will be met in the coming days.

    But loyalists say the PM is still safe.

    #Newsnight https://bbc.in/33P4zaT https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1483572966499794944/video/1
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    NickPalmer said:

    Chameleon said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    End of Plan B to be announced tomorrow, taking effect a week later. PM will hold cabinet meeting in the morning, then Commons statement after PMQs. Currently unclear whether he'll do a press conference.

    Ooh, if Brady's announcement is a VoNC then tomorrow is going to be quite the day.
    Yes - it does look as though, if there's a VONC, Johnson is going to go down fighting rather than just quit. If he gets, say, 55% Stay vs 45% Go, do we think he'll then soldier on?
    Absolutely. He would be safe for a year, well past the May locals onto the 2023 locals which will be better given the Tories only got 28% NEV in 2019 anyway.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nadine, raging against the dying of the light...

    Exclusive:

    Nadine Dorries hits out at 'disloyal' plotters

    'The people who are doing this are being disloyal to PM, the party, their constituents and to the wider country

    'The only reason their constituents voted for them is because Boris Johnson was standing as PM'     https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483566263435677700/photo/1

    'Removing Boris Johnson will give us one thing: Keir Starmer as Prime Minister' says Nadine
    Why don't you just resign as a conservative as you are so full of negatively the party would not miss you and Dorries is a disaster and needs sending to the back benches

    And I can take your place as I rejoin as Boris leaves
    I don't hate the Tory leader and PM unlike you.

    I do not hate Boris but then I cannot support his behaviour over Paterson, wallpapergate and partygate, and the trashing of the conservative brand

    You seem to be happy to predict years in opposition for the party so why not resign as you can hardly promote the party
    I am always loyal to the party, even in 2001 when you were happily voting Labour
    You voted for Plaid and you simply could not canvass for the party with a new leader in view of your statements
    Utter rubbish, you have spent the last few weeks trashing the party and its leader.

    Plenty of Tories were loyal to Thatcher to the end in 1990, they still canvassed for Major in 1992
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    Cyclefree said:

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not sure these proposals are all that radical. As a Wiganer I distinctly remember being subject to random stop and search on suspicion of intention to attend a protest based purely on my starting location.
    Then we were told which parts of the country we could and couldn't travel to.
    But that was during the Strike and we weren't middle class. I don't remember a great deal of libertarian outrage at the time.

    Not sure how proletarian one had to be. I remember one of the better political reminiscences on PB - alas I forget the name; about being a drinks company representative at that time, being stopped and encouraged to donate the contents of his boot to refresh the plod.
    No. Alas. Basically. Where you from? (And numberplates were a pretty big tell in those days).
    Turn around. You aren't free to travel around the country.
    Regardless of your intentions.
    Quite stunning it has been erased from the collective memory.
    Was just a tad more intrusive than having to wear a mask in Asda.
    And cheered to the rafters by the Right.
    The police behaved pretty disgracefully during the miner's strike. No reason to give them even more powers now.

    I really hope this Bill dies a death. Having another leader but keeping the same bad laws is - to me - no better than putting lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig.

    Maybe one or two of you will read the header. The stuff in the Bill may be dull compared to the No 10 comedy act but it is important.

    Sigh......
    With you there.
    This Bill is an outrage. As is the UC cut. The farrago of impractical bollocks about refugees. 10 years for statue bothering. Millions in contracts for mates and donors.
    I could go on and on and on.
    But consensus is Sunak as PM and the Tory Party will be restored to its rightful place as true and proper ruler of the land.
    Even though he voted happily for all this and more.
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