Some terrible findings for Johnson & co from YouGov – politicalbetting.com
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Having done both - ayahuasca and DMT - I can assure you that the former is way more powerful than the latter, and an entirely more profound experienceDumbosaurus said:
That's just DMT sir, afaik.Leon said:
OK if you bring REALLY good ayahuascaDumbosaurus said:@Leon if I tell you what it is will you host my wife and I for drinks at one of your favourite watering holes?
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Hey, are you feeling better?Dumbosaurus said:@Leon if I tell you what it is will you host my wife and I for drinks at one of your favourite watering holes?
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It is now! 😃Fairliered said:
That’s not how I imagined HYUFD would look like.Sunil_Prasannan said:HYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
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I presume Princess Nut Nut isn't going to be too happy to have to move out of the newly decorated flat and the grace and favour country house.1
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People on the Mail now claiming that THE GREAT TOOTING UFO LIZARD MISSILE has also been seen in Oxford and in Horsham, and elsewhere - today0
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The kind of idiot who would join a club if they'd have him.TheScreamingEagles said:Boris Johnson's deserves all of this.
As David Cameron observed, Dom Cummings is a psychopath, what kind of idiot employs a known psychopath?0 -
I must say the Boris premiership is proving great entertainment. I never expected any PM to preside over a government funnier and more dysfunctional than Gordon Brown's, but Boris has beaten even the snow plot, farmy-farm and 'gulags for slags'.1
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I wonder where we would be in the alternate timeline where Sunak resigned pre-Christmas in protest at the idea of further restrictions.0
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Anger and piss taking,
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Many users describe profound, life-changing experiences such as visiting other worlds, talking with alien entities known as “DMT elves” or “machine elves,” and total shifts in the perception of identity and reality. Mental side effects may linger for many days or weeks after ingestion of the drug.Leon said:
Having done both - ayahuasca and DMT - I can assure you that the former is way more powerful than the latter, and an entirely more profound experienceDumbosaurus said:
That's just DMT sir, afaik.Leon said:
OK if you bring REALLY good ayahuascaDumbosaurus said:@Leon if I tell you what it is will you host my wife and I for drinks at one of your favourite watering holes?
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No. I doubt it. Nor to live on an MPs salary not a PMs nor travel easyjet nor drive her own car nor cook her own meals. Heartbreaking.FrancisUrquhart said:I presume Princess Nut Nut isn't going to be too happy to have to move out of the newly decorated flat and the grace and favour country house.
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Is that not just because of the extras in it though? Much like opium and smack are different (although in that case it's the other way around where you have thebaine moderation and lack of diamorphine headrush in the natural stuff). I'm sure you could add some other MAOI (many are available) to DMT and get more or less the same effect as ayahusasca, although I must admit I haven't tried that.Leon said:
Having done both - ayahuasca and DMT - I can assure you that the former is way more powerful than the latter, and an entirely more profound experienceDumbosaurus said:
That's just DMT sir, afaik.Leon said:
OK if you bring REALLY good ayahuascaDumbosaurus said:@Leon if I tell you what it is will you host my wife and I for drinks at one of your favourite watering holes?
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Just idly flicked open a copy of Gimson's Prime Ministers, which I was gifted for Christmas, and immediately struck by some of its opening quotes from past PMs.
Attlee:There is one thing about politics that I think cannot be disputed: if a man stays in them long enough, they nearly always reveal him for what he is, and he tends to get not only what he deserves, but to find in his fate the reflection of his own strength and weakness
And one Sunak is probably saying right now:
Never forget...the garden belongs to Number 10, and has nothing to do with Number 11.*
*That one was Archibald Primrose who, of course, we all know was Prime Minister after Gladstone.1 -
Much better thank you. I did leave a thank you in either this thread or the one before. Not quite right as rain yet but clearly on the way there.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Hey, are you feeling better?Dumbosaurus said:@Leon if I tell you what it is will you host my wife and I for drinks at one of your favourite watering holes?
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You remember, he's the one who managed to burn down his own foreign policy, and thus his Government and career, in a wholly avoidable accident. How soon we forget.Jonathan said:
David Cameron?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris Johnson's deserves all of this.
As David Cameron observed, Dom Cummings is a psychopath, what kind of idiot employs a known psychopath?2 -
The Star have had some cracking front pages in the last few years, bit disappointed they've gone for a cliche 'turn out the lights' gag.TheScreamingEagles said:Anger and piss taking,
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New details of the ‘Save Boris’ operation in tomorrow’s Telegraph
1/ Much of the team that secured 2019 Tory leader win have reformed
2/ Lynton Crosby is back. Talked to PM this week, per two sources
3/ Massive calls to Tory MPs drive. Going beyond midnight, per source
4/ Cautious optimism Gray report won’t be damning on what PM knew
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/14821059917895188480 -
Turn off the fridge, surelykle4 said:
The Star have had some cracking front pages in the last few years, bit disappointed they've gone for a cliche 'turn out the lights' gag.TheScreamingEagles said:Anger and piss taking,
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But if you want top jobs, like top jobs in football management, you expect to come in in a crisis, back yourself in your honeymoon period to help get the basics right and from there turn it round. Build something great.Benpointer said:
Yes, although they will still be facing the headwinds of inflation, tax increases, Brexit and the Covid enquiry.Mexicanpete said:
This is all about the Big Dog. The Conservative Party can bounce back very quickly.HYUFD said:
Thanks to Cummings it is probably also over for the Tories for the next decade.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give up and surrenderHYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
It is over for Boris and soon
Don't expect even Sunak to suddenly be able to turn it round. Boris may well be the last Conservative leader to win a general election majority for the next 10 to 15 years
And they will be carrying the reeks of lobbying corruption, and 'one-rule-for-us' neither of which will entirely dissipate, even if Johnson goes.
You’ve got to relish the challenge!
You can tell I’m a York City fan.
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But @HYUFD won’t know who he wants to replace Johnson until they have replaced Johnson. Then they will get his 100% support, but not before.IanB2 said:
That’s the key point for HY and his friends.Mexicanpete said:
This is all about the Big Dog. The Conservative Party can bounce back very quickly.HYUFD said:
Thanks to Cummings it is probably also over for the Tories for the next decade.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give up and surrenderHYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
It is over for Boris and soon
Don't expect even Sunak to suddenly be able to turn it round. Boris may well be the last Conservative leader to win a general election majority for the next 10 to 15 years
If Johnson goes quickly, and someone very different comes in with a big reset, they have some chance of ringfencing the damage to BJ’s personality.
If they let him limp on for months and gather round him and tie themselves to his string of less and less credible excuses, they’ll go down with him.4 -
The Earl of Rosebery, please.kle4 said:Just idly flicked open a copy of Gimson's Prime Ministers, which I was gifted for Christmas, and immediately struck by some of its opening quotes from past PMs.
Attlee:There is one thing about politics that I think cannot be disputed: if a man stays in them long enough, they nearly always reveal him for what he is, and he tends to get not only what he deserves, but to find in his fate the reflection of his own strength and weakness
And one Sunak is probably saying right now:
Never forget...the garden belongs to Number 10, and has nothing to do with Number 11.*
*That one was Archibald Primrose who, of course, we all know was Prime Minister after Gladstone.0 -
5/ Estimate is no more than 20ish letters in - way short of 54 needed
6/ Boris spirits are quite upbeat, per a source by his side this week
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/14821066492466380850 -
When that story broke I said he should be sacked that night. I could not understand why Johnson was so reluctant to ditch him, as politically it would be the easiest and most effective action to take. Well I blooming well know the reason(s) now.FrancisUrquhart said:We know why Big Dom wasn't sacked immediately now....
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Lying is part of politics. It is part of life, if you think about it. One example is pretending you don't know about something that you actually do know about, we all do that, at times.Northern_Al said:
I beg to differ - both are a problem. Of course breaking the rules you make should be enough to bring you down.darkage said:Lying isn't the problem here.
People complain that all politicians are liars, and lying is part of Johnsons style, somehow he turns it in to a positive.
The problem is with the egregious lockdown breaches on the part of the people making the rules, whilst everyone else was following the rules and suffering for it. This is what will ultimately ruin Johnson, it isn't just business as usual.
But the lying is a huge problem. Not the odd lie - the constant, mendacious lying that Boris does, treating people as utterly stupid and hoping that we can't see through the lies. It's the lying that most people I know object to the most, It's not either/or.
People see parliament as a farce. Government Ministers are engaged in a rhetorical game of stretching the truth to extreme levels, without getting to the point where they 'mislead' parliament.
Johnson just has a way of lying where he makes little pretence to be telling the truth. People find that refreshing.0 -
In terms of their longer term political future, the last thing the Conservative Party needs at this stage is for Johnson just to be allowed to soldier on and be left to meekly announce after the local elections that he's decided that his time is up.IanB2 said:
That’s the key point for HY and his friends.Mexicanpete said:
This is all about the Big Dog. The Conservative Party can bounce back very quickly.HYUFD said:
Thanks to Cummings it is probably also over for the Tories for the next decade.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give up and surrenderHYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
It is over for Boris and soon
Don't expect even Sunak to suddenly be able to turn it round. Boris may well be the last Conservative leader to win a general election majority for the next 10 to 15 years
If Johnson goes quickly, and someone very different comes in with a big reset, they have some chance of ringfencing the damage to BJ’s personality.
If they let him limp on for months and gather round him and tie themselves to his string of less and less credible excuses, they’ll go down with him.
Thatcher's demise was anything but a quiet exit. The Conservative Party managed to rescue itself by the brutal and decisive way she was dragged out of the door, kicking and screaming as she went.
It's an interesting political dynamic though. If one of Johnson's main rivals at this point was the first to act decisively to call on him to go, he or she would get a great deal of political credit for Johnson's demise in terms of wider public opinion. The question is how much their being seen to wield the knife would harm their chances with the Tory members that will determine Johnson's successor as PM, and that's the immediate prize at stake.
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The problem with 4) is the best defence Boris has is pleading incompetence or stupidity, and that is always a desperate act from a politician.Scott_xP said:New details of the ‘Save Boris’ operation in tomorrow’s Telegraph
1/ Much of the team that secured 2019 Tory leader win have reformed
2/ Lynton Crosby is back. Talked to PM this week, per two sources
3/ Massive calls to Tory MPs drive. Going beyond midnight, per source
4/ Cautious optimism Gray report won’t be damning on what PM knew
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1482105991789518848
Many people won't believe it, and even if they believe it it still weakens him considerably.1 -
My Dad played for the Minstermen in the 60s. Never got out of the reserves mind you.MoonRabbit said:
But if you want top jobs, like top jobs in football management, you expect to come in in a crisis, back yourself in your honeymoon period to help get the basics right and from there turn it round. Build something great.Benpointer said:
Yes, although they will still be facing the headwinds of inflation, tax increases, Brexit and the Covid enquiry.Mexicanpete said:
This is all about the Big Dog. The Conservative Party can bounce back very quickly.HYUFD said:
Thanks to Cummings it is probably also over for the Tories for the next decade.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give up and surrenderHYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
It is over for Boris and soon
Don't expect even Sunak to suddenly be able to turn it round. Boris may well be the last Conservative leader to win a general election majority for the next 10 to 15 years
And they will be carrying the reeks of lobbying corruption, and 'one-rule-for-us' neither of which will entirely dissipate, even if Johnson goes.
You’ve got to relish the challenge!
You can tell I’m a York City fan.1 -
He’s safe as houses until the next election.Scott_xP said:5/ Estimate is no more than 20ish letters in - way short of 54 needed
6/ Boris spirits are quite upbeat, per a source by his side this week
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/14821066492466380851 -
"Much of the team", eh? Any notable absences at all?Scott_xP said:New details of the ‘Save Boris’ operation in tomorrow’s Telegraph
1/ Much of the team that secured 2019 Tory leader win have reformed
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https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/14821059917895188481 -
Well also, presuming Big Dom was the only rule breaker (I know, I know), you sack him, he does some sob story about scared for his children, had had nutters at his home threatening him etc, and in a years time bring him back.glw said:
When that story broke I said he should be sacked that night. I could not understand why Johnson was so reluctant to ditch him, as politically it would be the easiest and most effective action to take. Well I blooming well know the reason(s) now.FrancisUrquhart said:We know why Big Dom wasn't sacked immediately now....
I think how it went down was Big Dom, went f##k no I am not resigning, you lot are on the piss every week, screw the media, tell to f##k off.4 -
He's wobbling. But shifting someone who doesn't want shifting requires political courage and boldness. These are not skills that are encouraged, hence why it is shameless chances who display it more often.DougSeal said:
He’s safe as houses until the next election.Scott_xP said:5/ Estimate is no more than 20ish letters in - way short of 54 needed
6/ Boris spirits are quite upbeat, per a source by his side this week
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They keep coming in...
A former minister says: "Johnson is toast...if you were the Chief Whip looking at him you'd say he's not fit to do any other jobs in government, you wouldn't make him a junior minister, he doesn't work hard enough."
Another former minister tells the BBC: "The inbox is horrendous and is not getting better...it's not just the usual suspects - there are long term members saying they feel utter disgust for the prime minister."
One Midlands Red Wall MP says: "The inbox is bad, really bad... there is a recognition now amongst colleagues that this may not be survivable even if Sue Gray clears him. This is self-inflicted and trust is seeping away."
Another Red Waller MP and big Boris Johnson fan says: "The inbox is now comparable with Barnard Castle...if this was anyone else he'd already be done. If he survives I still don't know if that's a good thing? Is it just a slow march to death?"
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Difficult to see how he lasts another week at this rate. If it was a professional bout the ref would have stepped in at about lunchtime todayDougSeal said:
He’s safe as houses until the next election.Scott_xP said:5/ Estimate is no more than 20ish letters in - way short of 54 needed
6/ Boris spirits are quite upbeat, per a source by his side this week
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1482106649246638085
HOWEVER, Boris is a pretty shameless chap - as we have seen - and that is to his advantage here. He won't be mortified into leaving. And eventually even Dom Cummings must run out of new revelations and new ways of knifing his old Boss. Can there be much more? We now know they held parties eight times a day, often with nude effigies of the Queen, it cannot get significantly worse
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7/ Tory whips are watching Truss and Sunak activity with suspicion
8/ Truss held drinks with some Tory MPs in her parli office on Monday
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💥Sue Gray was "completely blindsided" by the latest party revelations and is concerned Downing Street staff are deliberately concealing information from her, @Steven_Swinford reveals
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1482108208873361408
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066612 -
But NOT in CAMDEN? Sad!Leon said:People on the Mail now claiming that THE GREAT TOOTING UFO LIZARD MISSILE has also been seen in Oxford and in Horsham, and elsewhere - today
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I have been doing my own early night drinking if this seems incoherent, but:Dumbosaurus said:Secondly - am I the only PBer who does (when well) work in an office where late night drinking is encouraged and normal then? I can assure you it's very common in tech startups.
I'd still like an answer to this from anyone? Is it really percieved as that odd to drink at work? If so I'm very sad as you can look at e.g. old episodes of the bill from before I reached the age of majority where they had whisky in the inspector's draw and everyone would share it. Is that really such a bad thing these days?
We have an unlimited drinks budget during office socials (at least every month). We don't hold them at exclusive west end clubs but bill can still get to over £1000 per head and I assure everyone we're not unusual. But if it sounds it to you that we are, and you like the sound of lots of booze and are either a decent full stack or devops person... we are recruiting (and for home workers too).1 -
I ain't no aristocrat, and good old Archie Primrose is too good a name to hide behind a title.ydoethur said:
The Earl of Rosebery, please.kle4 said:Just idly flicked open a copy of Gimson's Prime Ministers, which I was gifted for Christmas, and immediately struck by some of its opening quotes from past PMs.
Attlee:There is one thing about politics that I think cannot be disputed: if a man stays in them long enough, they nearly always reveal him for what he is, and he tends to get not only what he deserves, but to find in his fate the reflection of his own strength and weakness
And one Sunak is probably saying right now:
Never forget...the garden belongs to Number 10, and has nothing to do with Number 11.*
*That one was Archibald Primrose who, of course, we all know was Prime Minister after Gladstone.0 -
MoonRabbit said:
It is now! 😃Fairliered said:
That’s not how I imagined HYUFD would look like.Sunil_Prasannan said:HYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
Have you recovered from Jackie McNamara yet?MoonRabbit said:
But if you want top jobs, like top jobs in football management, you expect to come in in a crisis, back yourself in your honeymoon period to help get the basics right and from there turn it round. Build something great.Benpointer said:
Yes, although they will still be facing the headwinds of inflation, tax increases, Brexit and the Covid enquiry.Mexicanpete said:
This is all about the Big Dog. The Conservative Party can bounce back very quickly.HYUFD said:
Thanks to Cummings it is probably also over for the Tories for the next decade.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give up and surrenderHYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
It is over for Boris and soon
Don't expect even Sunak to suddenly be able to turn it round. Boris may well be the last Conservative leader to win a general election majority for the next 10 to 15 years
And they will be carrying the reeks of lobbying corruption, and 'one-rule-for-us' neither of which will entirely dissipate, even if Johnson goes.
You’ve got to relish the challenge!
You can tell I’m a York City fan.0 -
His title Mentmore to him than his name.kle4 said:
I ain't no aristocrat, and good old Archie Primrose is too good a name to hide behind a title.ydoethur said:
The Earl of Rosebery, please.kle4 said:Just idly flicked open a copy of Gimson's Prime Ministers, which I was gifted for Christmas, and immediately struck by some of its opening quotes from past PMs.
Attlee:There is one thing about politics that I think cannot be disputed: if a man stays in them long enough, they nearly always reveal him for what he is, and he tends to get not only what he deserves, but to find in his fate the reflection of his own strength and weakness
And one Sunak is probably saying right now:
Never forget...the garden belongs to Number 10, and has nothing to do with Number 11.*
*That one was Archibald Primrose who, of course, we all know was Prime Minister after Gladstone.2 -
As long as Dave's? Till 2025?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not much, he's worried about the damage caused to the country and the Tory party.Scott_xP said:I wonder if David Cameron is also enjoying some wine time Friday this evening
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We also have a fair idea as to why Covid ran riot through Downing Street that same month.glw said:
When that story broke I said he should be sacked that night. I could not understand why Johnson was so reluctant to ditch him, as politically it would be the easiest and most effective action to take. Well I blooming well know the reason(s) now.FrancisUrquhart said:We know why Big Dom wasn't sacked immediately now....
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9/ Truss drinks drive dubbed ‘Fizz with Liz’ (not necessarily by them)
10/ Truss will be on other side of the world late next week… when Gray report may drop… in Australia
[[ her team deny any leadership drive, pledge loyalty to PM ]]
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/14821096435854336050 -
Everyone knew that Boris had a leading part in bringing down Mrs MWulfrun_Phil said:
In terms of their longer term political future, the last thing the Conservative Party needs at this stage is for Johnson just to be allowed to soldier on and be left to meekly announce after the local elections that he's decided that his time is up.IanB2 said:
That’s the key point for HY and his friends.Mexicanpete said:
This is all about the Big Dog. The Conservative Party can bounce back very quickly.HYUFD said:
Thanks to Cummings it is probably also over for the Tories for the next decade.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give up and surrenderHYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
It is over for Boris and soon
Don't expect even Sunak to suddenly be able to turn it round. Boris may well be the last Conservative leader to win a general election majority for the next 10 to 15 years
If Johnson goes quickly, and someone very different comes in with a big reset, they have some chance of ringfencing the damage to BJ’s personality.
If they let him limp on for months and gather round him and tie themselves to his string of less and less credible excuses, they’ll go down with him.
Thatcher's demise was anything but a quiet exit. The Conservative Party managed to rescue itself by the brutal and decisive way she was dragged out of the door, kicking and screaming as she went.
It's an interesting political dynamic though. If one of Johnson's main rivals at this point was the first to act decisively to call on him to go, he or she would get a great deal of political credit for Johnson's demise in terms of wider public opinion. The question is how much their being seen to wield the knife would harm their chances with the Tory members that will determine Johnson's successor as PM, and that's the immediate prize at stake.0 -
It does seem very likely that's why he kept him.FrancisUrquhart said:Well also, presuming Big Dom was the only rule breaker (I know, I know), you sack him, he does some sob story about scared for his children, had had nutters at his home threatening him etc, and in a years time bring him back.
I think how it went down was Big Dom, went f##k no I am not resigning, you lot are on the piss every week, screw the media, tell to f##k off.0 -
Should be "my wife and ME". (Or "me and my wife")Dumbosaurus said:@Leon if I tell you what it is will you host my wife and I for drinks
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One hopes she's not carrying out her investigation with the basic presumption that everyone is being scrupulously honest with her.Scott_xP said:💥Sue Gray was "completely blindsided" by the latest party revelations and is concerned Downing Street staff are deliberately concealing information from her, @Steven_Swinford reveals
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1482108208873361408
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066611 -
Liz Truss.
Please no.0 -
11/ Still no TV / radio clip from Rishi backing Boris, unlike other cab mins
12/ Gray report still expected late next week at earliest but could slip
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/14821106045843087360 -
If she is, it's going to be even more of a whitewash than Hutton.solarflare said:
One hopes she's not carrying out her investigation with the basic presumption that everyone is being scrupulously honest with her.Scott_xP said:💥Sue Gray was "completely blindsided" by the latest party revelations and is concerned Downing Street staff are deliberately concealing information from her, @Steven_Swinford reveals
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1482108208873361408
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066610 -
The UK has lots of commercial airports shocker.Leon said:People on the Mail now claiming that THE GREAT TOOTING UFO LIZARD MISSILE has also been seen in Oxford and in Horsham, and elsewhere - today
All you’re proving is how easily people persuade themselves they have seen something unusual.
Lead story on tonight’s BBC London news - highest level of air pollution in London FOR YEARS. Whatever it was, she won’t have seen it clearly.
The QM2 is sailing past my window now, but I can barely see it, despite all the lights as they serve second sitting.0 -
Exclusive:
* Sue Gray ‘blindsided’ by revelations of No 10 drinks on eve of Prince Philip’s funeral; she’s concerned staff are concealing information
* Official photographer took pictures of leaving party; they were shared on WhatsApp and show staff drinking in background https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066611 -
With respect to #5, reckon this is more a hope (by the BoJoians) than a fact?Scott_xP said:5/ Estimate is no more than 20ish letters in - way short of 54 needed
6/ Boris spirits are quite upbeat, per a source by his side this week
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1482106649246638085
Also wondering, is a Tory MP (or more than one) going around and gathering letters from honourable friends, so as to bring delivery them in a nice bundle to the head of the 1922 Committee, at the strategic moment?
One thing I recall from diaries of Michael Spicer: that there was a certain amount of skullduggery re: MPs delivering their letters back when IDS was LOTO. With some fearful of being outed in some way, for example by being seen at Spicer's office.1 -
The view from Swindon: ‘Johnson is going to be replaced’ https://on.ft.com/3rnqrCz1
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is she the one with the injunction thingy?slade said:Completely off topic but I just watched Khatia Buniatishvili playing Rachmaninov 2nd piano Concerto. Stunning - watch it on YouTube.
Never in my experience. Even when I was in sales we would decamp to the pub next door rather than drinking in the workplace.Dumbosaurus said:
I have been doing my own early night drinking if this seems incoherent, but:Dumbosaurus said:Secondly - am I the only PBer who does (when well) work in an office where late night drinking is encouraged and normal then? I can assure you it's very common in tech startups.
I'd still like an answer to this from anyone? Is it really percieved as that odd to drink at work? If so I'm very sad as you can look at e.g. old episodes of the bill from before I reached the age of majority where they had whisky in the inspector's draw and everyone would share it. Is that really such a bad thing these days?
We have an unlimited drinks budget during office socials (at least every month). We don't hold them at exclusive west end clubs but bill can still get to over £1000 per head and I assure everyone we're not unusual. But if it sounds it to you that we are, and you like the sound of lots of booze and are either a decent full stack or devops person... we are recruiting (and for home workers too).0 -
Why the #Tories should take a leaf out of the #Queen's book by acting swiftly and decisively. My column this week 👇 #borisjohnson #partygate #princeandrew https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/14/boris-like-prince-andrew-has-become-liability-institution-serve/1
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Liz Truss was very concerned...geoffw said:Liz Truss.
Please no.
BBC News
I hope she likes the wallpaper.0 -
Have you put money down?rottenborough said:Jeez. You can still get Johnson gone in 2022 on BF for 1.55.
Better than the bank.0 -
13/ Wide expectation in Gov that Plan B Covid rules will lift in 12 days
14/ We may not see Boris speak in public before PMQs on Wednesday
15/ There will be sackings after Gray - as per… anybody you talk to
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/14821114798810234930 -
She's a proper Sherlock Holmes, isn't she? I wonder whether the fact they didn't think to mention wheeling in a suitcase full of cheap plonk and dancing the night away on the eve of Prince Philip's funeral might have been a tiny clue to Sue that possibly she wasn't dealing with a wholly honest operation?Scott_xP said:💥Sue Gray was "completely blindsided" by the latest party revelations and is concerned Downing Street staff are deliberately concealing information from her, @Steven_Swinford reveals
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1482108208873361408
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066611 -
You do wonder why they didn't after, say party no 3, just ask for another 500 parties to be taken into consideration. How long do they want to drag this out for?Scott_xP said:💥Sue Gray was "completely blindsided" by the latest party revelations and is concerned Downing Street staff are deliberately concealing information from her, @Steven_Swinford reveals
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1482108208873361408
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066612 -
Evening,
I understand this might be an unpopular thought, but I half wonder if Cummings should be given some credit for not leaking all this back when he left office.
Had he leaked it, and seeing the outrage at the moment, one would assume the lockdowns wouldn't have held or been as effective. Interesting how things play out really.
Anecdata alert, out with parents in-law their view was the Queen+party thing was the really shocking development, interestingly they didn't know Boris wasn't there. Discussion about last time they had to vote for Boris as they couldn't vote for 'the other one'.
MrB
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* Cabinet ministers who publicly backed Boris Johnson are privately saying he is in ‘last chance saloon’
* Johnson being urged by Cabinet ministers to clear out No 10. They say he is being ill-served. Three Cabinet ministers said Rosenfield needs to go
* https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/14821117503255552000 -
How f**king thick do you have to be to invite an official photographer to your lawbreaking party.Scott_xP said:Exclusive:
* Sue Gray ‘blindsided’ by revelations of No 10 drinks on eve of Prince Philip’s funeral; she’s concerned staff are concealing information
* Official photographer took pictures of leaving party; they were shared on WhatsApp and show staff drinking in background https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066611 -
Sunak needs to seize the crown now or forever have regrets.Scott_xP said:9/ Truss drinks drive dubbed ‘Fizz with Liz’ (not necessarily by them)
10/ Truss will be on other side of the world late next week… when Gray report may drop… in Australia
[[ her team deny any leadership drive, pledge loyalty to PM ]]
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1482109643585433605
Perhaps he should put a call into David Miliband for advice?
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I hope he falls short of Theresa.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not much, he's worried about the damage caused to the country and the Tory party.Scott_xP said:I wonder if David Cameron is also enjoying some wine time Friday this evening
Although I'm sure he'll laugh like a drain if Boris Johnson's tenure isn't as long as Dave's.0 -
Wasn't the official photographer the one leaving?Chameleon said:
How f**king thick do you have to be to invite an official photographer to your lawbreaking party.Scott_xP said:Exclusive:
* Sue Gray ‘blindsided’ by revelations of No 10 drinks on eve of Prince Philip’s funeral; she’s concerned staff are concealing information
* Official photographer took pictures of leaving party; they were shared on WhatsApp and show staff drinking in background https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066611 -
"Drinking in the last chance saloon" is an interesting idiom to use.Scott_xP said:* Cabinet ministers who publicly backed Boris Johnson are privately saying he is in ‘last chance saloon’
* Johnson being urged by Cabinet ministers to clear out No 10. They say he is being ill-served. Three Cabinet ministers said Rosenfield needs to go
* https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/14821117503255552002 -
It's a great gag in this context because it's a way of subtly having a dig at the Sun's reticence to go hard on this story.kle4 said:
The Star have had some cracking front pages in the last few years, bit disappointed they've gone for a cliche 'turn out the lights' gag.TheScreamingEagles said:Anger and piss taking,
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Potentially, I assumed that this was referring to the leaving party for the person who left a month prior to the Sun.FrancisUrquhart said:
Wasn't the official photographer the one leaving?Chameleon said:
How f**king thick do you have to be to invite an official photographer to your lawbreaking party.Scott_xP said:Exclusive:
* Sue Gray ‘blindsided’ by revelations of No 10 drinks on eve of Prince Philip’s funeral; she’s concerned staff are concealing information
* Official photographer took pictures of leaving party; they were shared on WhatsApp and show staff drinking in background https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/14821072243696066610 -
Apparently, Tory MPs have been told by the Whips that this weekend they should go back to their constituencies and prepare for defeat.1
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Do you somehow think I am unaware of this?!IanB2 said:
The UK has lots of commercial airports shocker.Leon said:People on the Mail now claiming that THE GREAT TOOTING UFO LIZARD MISSILE has also been seen in Oxford and in Horsham, and elsewhere - today
All you’re proving is how easily people persuade themselves they have seen something unusual.
Lead story on tonight’s BBC London news - highest level of air pollution in London FOR YEARS. Whatever it was, she won’t have seen it clearly.
The QM2 is sailing past my window now, but I can barely see it, despite all the lights as they serve second sitting.
What interests me is how a story with such little substance - to be frank - can develop a narrative of its own volition. We are a story-telling species, and we love UFOs
The three most recent comments:
"Peregrinne, hungerford, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago
There were two lights and contrails hanging vertically high in the sky at just after sun rise over here this morning. We all saw them. They did not move like a normal plane."
"Glitzy, Addlestone, United Kingdom, 2 minutes ago
I too saw this as well and had to pull the car over to watch it. For a moment I thought it was a meteor or something. Very strange indeed."
"K8driver, Midlands, United Kingdom, about a minute ago
The aircraft explanation does seem feasible until you compare the dimensions and form of what would have to be a vapour trail with the object at the head of that trail.... an odd dark smudge with no obvious aircraft shape and no evidence of wings or source points for a trail of that density.... so most likely a daytime sighting of re-entering space junk debris. The pattern of movement ... from the brief video content shown... does not indicate, on the face of it, UAP type behaviour, or any of the 5 observables.. apart from no obvious lift producing surfaces etc."
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I appreciate this might just be me but why does the uncouth fucker always have to put his feet on the desk?
"Boris Johnson puts his feet up in a photograph taken at 10 Downing Street on December 23 2020"0 -
Cummings is just the messanger.HYUFD said:
Thanks to Cummings it is probably also over for the Tories for the next decade.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give up and surrenderHYUFD said:
Still not as low even on that poll as May's Tories in Spring 2019 or Major's Tories in 1995 who were both sub 25%Peter_the_Punter said:
Ok, where's Mohammed Saeed al-Hyufd got to? We need an explanation, now.Scott_xP said:New poll from Find Out Now/Electoral Calculus 13 Jan
Lab 41% +3
Con 27% -3
Lib Dem 11% +1
Green 8% -2
Reform 5% -2
Changes since 14-15 Dec https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1482079893919838208
It is over for Boris and soon
Don't expect even Sunak to suddenly be able to turn it round. Boris may well be the last Conservative leader to win a general election majority for the next 10 to 15 years0 -
He wont be facing PMQs on Wed. It is over imho.Leon said:
Difficult to see how he lasts another week at this rate. If it was a professional bout the ref would have stepped in at about lunchtime todayDougSeal said:
He’s safe as houses until the next election.Scott_xP said:5/ Estimate is no more than 20ish letters in - way short of 54 needed
6/ Boris spirits are quite upbeat, per a source by his side this week
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1482106649246638085
HOWEVER, Boris is a pretty shameless chap - as we have seen - and that is to his advantage here. He won't be mortified into leaving. And eventually even Dom Cummings must run out of new revelations and new ways of knifing his old Boss. Can there be much more? We now know they held parties eight times a day, often with nude effigies of the Queen, it cannot get significantly worse
So if he can survive another month maybe he can survive two years. Possibly taking down the entire Tory party alongside him
When Tory MPs return from the wall of burning hell fire that is their association weekend meetings they will know what is to be done.0 -
Beverages in shot...Benpointer said:I appreciate this might just be me but why does the uncouth fucker always have to put his feet on the desk?
"Boris Johnson puts his feet up in a photograph taken at 10 Downing Street on December 23 2020"
What a general pig sty the place is.0 -
So "Operation Save Big Dog" boils down to "someone else did it and ran away"
The story of his entire fucking life.
If they fall for it again, they deserve to lose for a generation0 -
All male politicians do this. It is an alpha male thing. Asserting dominanceBenpointer said:I appreciate this might just be me but why does the uncouth fucker always have to put his feet on the desk?
"Boris Johnson puts his feet up in a photograph taken at 10 Downing Street on December 23 2020"
Blair was notorious for it - seriously0 -
Is that "...clear out No 10" or "...clear out of No 10"?Scott_xP said:* Cabinet ministers who publicly backed Boris Johnson are privately saying he is in ‘last chance saloon’
* Johnson being urged by Cabinet ministers to clear out No 10. They say he is being ill-served. Three Cabinet ministers said Rosenfield needs to go
* https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/14821117503255552000 -
Re: polling posted above by OGH, reminds me of when WA Gov Mike Lowry was on the ropes in 1995, due to accusations of sexual harassment. Just before he announced he was NOT running for a second term, his "should Mike Lowry be re-elected" number was down to just 19%
I note that Boris Johnson is only 5 percentage-points above that mark, not factoring margin of error whatever it is for this poll.0 -
We used to have a hospital pub, quite busy early evening, but those days ended a decade or two ago.Tres said:
is she the one with the injunction thingy?slade said:Completely off topic but I just watched Khatia Buniatishvili playing Rachmaninov 2nd piano Concerto. Stunning - watch it on YouTube.
Never in my experience. Even when I was in sales we would decamp to the pub next door rather than drinking in the workplace.Dumbosaurus said:
I have been doing my own early night drinking if this seems incoherent, but:Dumbosaurus said:Secondly - am I the only PBer who does (when well) work in an office where late night drinking is encouraged and normal then? I can assure you it's very common in tech startups.
I'd still like an answer to this from anyone? Is it really percieved as that odd to drink at work? If so I'm very sad as you can look at e.g. old episodes of the bill from before I reached the age of majority where they had whisky in the inspector's draw and everyone would share it. Is that really such a bad thing these days?
We have an unlimited drinks budget during office socials (at least every month). We don't hold them at exclusive west end clubs but bill can still get to over £1000 per head and I assure everyone we're not unusual. But if it sounds it to you that we are, and you like the sound of lots of booze and are either a decent full stack or devops person... we are recruiting (and for home workers too).0 -
They will need their arses kicked then because Labour will struggle to win from 2nd place unless it is a massive landslide whereas the LDs can win from 3rd, but Labour won't give them a free run because they will hope to win possibly letting JRM hold on.Fairliered said:
If Labour and the Lib Dems can’t arrange tactical voting to unseat JRM, they need their arses kicked.HYUFD said:
Not after the boundary changes which move some LD and Labour wards nearer Bath in his seat to Frome.Chameleon said:
Losing his seat on UNS in the latest poll.Scott_xP said:Thoughts and prayers with Rees-Mogg tonight. Fucking twat.
After boundary changes Electoral Calculus predicts a majority for Rees Mogg even now of 11% in his slightly more rural seat of Keynsham and North East Somerset
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Keynsham and North East Somerset
Currently it forecasts only a 6% majority for NE Somerset on present boundaries
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Somerset+North+East2 -
Aeroplane.MoonRabbit said:3 -
Yeah - I think you're right. It's just a personal hang-up of mine, I guess.Leon said:
All male politicians do this. It is an alpha male thing. Asserting dominanceBenpointer said:I appreciate this might just be me but why does the uncouth fucker always have to put his feet on the desk?
"Boris Johnson puts his feet up in a photograph taken at 10 Downing Street on December 23 2020"
Blair was notorious for it - seriously0 -
Maybe he thinks that's what desks are for? Weirdly high footrests.Benpointer said:I appreciate this might just be me but why does the uncouth fucker always have to put his feet on the desk?
"Boris Johnson puts his feet up in a photograph taken at 10 Downing Street on December 23 2020"
It's not like he uses them to work on like ordinary people.2 -
Turn off the fridge would have been more apposite.kle4 said:
The Star have had some cracking front pages in the last few years, bit disappointed they've gone for a cliche 'turn out the lights' gag.TheScreamingEagles said:Anger and piss taking,
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Thinking now. If you're Sue Gray how do you play this?
You're clearly being set up. A whitewash is what you're paid to come up with.
But. No bugger in their right mind is going to believe it outside the Tory Party.
You're going to be hounded and ridiculed if you produce that. She didn't sign up for that.
However. You simply can't say the Big Dog is a bone idle, mendacious arse who shouldn't be running the fags and lotto kiosk at ASDA.
So. Why not announce now? Sheer weight of new evidence means I am unable to report for many months. Interviews, witnesses have right to be heard, etc., etc.
Puts the ball back in MP's court.0 -
Ok, someone needs to talk me through why 1.55 on Boris to be gone this year isn't an absolutely stonking value bet. What is the counter narrative?0
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Or hand it to the Metdixiedean said:Thinking now. If you're Sue Gray how do you play this?
You're clearly being set up. A whitewash is what you're paid to come up with.
But. No bugger in their right mind is going to believe it outside the Tory Party.
You're going to be hounded and ridiculed if you produce that. She didn't sign up for that.
However. You simply can't say the Big Dog is a bone idle, mendacious arse who shouldn't be running the fags and lotto kiosk at ASDA.
So. Why not announce now? Sheer weight of new evidence means I am unable to report for many months. Interviews, witnesses have right to be heard, etc., etc.
Puts the ball back in MP's court.0 -
.having a few swift ones for the road...Scott_xP said:* Cabinet ministers who publicly backed Boris Johnson are privately saying he is in ‘last chance saloon’
* https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/14821117503255552001 -
Among first things next PM will do, regardless of party or anything else, is tear down that fucking Turkish whorehouse wallpaper and haul it to the dump where it belongs.Mexicanpete said:
Liz Truss was very concerned...geoffw said:Liz Truss.
Please no.
BBC News
I hope she likes the wallpaper.4 -
Prime Minister, try this new cocktail.
It's called a P451 -
Indeed. Shambolic office - shambolic administration. What a fucking joke.FrancisUrquhart said:
Beverages in shot...Benpointer said:I appreciate this might just be me but why does the uncouth fucker always have to put his feet on the desk?
"Boris Johnson puts his feet up in a photograph taken at 10 Downing Street on December 23 2020"
What a general pig sty the place is.
People will say we get the government we deserve but no, this country deserves much better than this bunch of inept chancers.3 -
Speaking of workplace drinking & pubs, how many of the latter are there in the Palace of Westminster these days?0
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The name also recalls the Kabul airlift, probably the single most disgusting act of his premiership and perhaps his life.Scott_xP said:So "Operation Save Big Dog" boils down to "someone else did it and ran away"
The story of his entire fucking life.
If they fall for it again, they deserve to lose for a generation0 -
Written before the fridge story
But the bigger problem for Boris Johnson and the Conservatives is this: the story is simply very funny. A government can weather all sorts of things, but perhaps the most dangerous in lots of ways is it for to look ridiculous. One MP despaired to me that the party looked “like a clown show”, while another said that the issue was “bigger than the parties. A critical mass of people [in the parliamentary party] have decided they don’t think this guy can run the fucking government”. Another despaired that the government had two problems: “we look arrogant because we had these parties. We look shit because we couldn’t even cover them up properly”.
It may well mark the point at which voters are no longer laughing with Boris Johnson, but at Boris Johnson. The question for the Conservative party will be whether the bigger problem is that the entire party struggles to walk off the impression that is both arrogant and incompetent.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/conservatives/2022/01/the-conservatives-cant-afford-to-look-this-ridiculous1 -
You’d probably get the same responses had you sat on the video for a week and sent it in next Friday claiming you’d just seen it.Leon said:
Do you somehow think I am unaware of this?!IanB2 said:
The UK has lots of commercial airports shocker.Leon said:People on the Mail now claiming that THE GREAT TOOTING UFO LIZARD MISSILE has also been seen in Oxford and in Horsham, and elsewhere - today
All you’re proving is how easily people persuade themselves they have seen something unusual.
Lead story on tonight’s BBC London news - highest level of air pollution in London FOR YEARS. Whatever it was, she won’t have seen it clearly.
The QM2 is sailing past my window now, but I can barely see it, despite all the lights as they serve second sitting.
What interests me is how a story with such little substance - to be frank - can develop a narrative of its own volition. We are a story-telling species, and we love UFOs
The three most recent comments:
"Peregrinne, hungerford, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago
There were two lights and contrails hanging vertically high in the sky at just after sun rise over here this morning. We all saw them. They did not move like a normal plane."
"Glitzy, Addlestone, United Kingdom, 2 minutes ago
I too saw this as well and had to pull the car over to watch it. For a moment I thought it was a meteor or something. Very strange indeed."
"K8driver, Midlands, United Kingdom, about a minute ago
The aircraft explanation does seem feasible until you compare the dimensions and form of what would have to be a vapour trail with the object at the head of that trail.... an odd dark smudge with no obvious aircraft shape and no evidence of wings or source points for a trail of that density.... so most likely a daytime sighting of re-entering space junk debris. The pattern of movement ... from the brief video content shown... does not indicate, on the face of it, UAP type behaviour, or any of the 5 observables.. apart from no obvious lift producing surfaces etc."0 -
ObamaBenpointer said:
Yeah - I think you're right. It's just a personal hang-up of mine, I guess.Leon said:
All male politicians do this. It is an alpha male thing. Asserting dominanceBenpointer said:I appreciate this might just be me but why does the uncouth fucker always have to put his feet on the desk?
"Boris Johnson puts his feet up in a photograph taken at 10 Downing Street on December 23 2020"
Blair was notorious for it - seriously
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/4/obamas-feet-oval-office-desk-sends-shockwaves-arou/
Dubya Bush and Gerald Ford
https://time.com/4685807/kellyanne-conway-oval-office-presidents-history/
Jeremy Thorpe!
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/english-politician-and-new-leader-of-the-liberal-party-news-photo/561073231?adppopup=true
House of Cards noticed, and mimicked it
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10629159/House-of-Cards-creator-Beau-Willimon-All-politicians-are-murderers.html
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