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    JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 651
    edited January 2022

    Boris aint going anywhere

    The Cabinet have locked him in Rose Garden shed?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161
    dixiedean said:

    Have a feeling Big Dog is going to run and run.
    Another failed gag from the master comic who's out of touch.

    No one is laughing anymore.

    Not least the Queen.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MikeL said:

    Tom Tugendhadt has just gone 4th favourite for next Con leader, ahead of Gove (only behind Sunak, Truss, Hunt).

    I don't think I've seen a single post on here recently even mentioning him.

    Could he do it?

    Young

    MP since 2015

    Remainer

    St Pauls and Cambridge. Fought in Iraq and Afghanistan

    No govt job ever but chair of Foreign Affairs Committee whose vital current job is to crucify the Johnsons over the Kabul airlift...
    And who did a shit job of warning of the potential for problems beforehand - his committee, unlike their Lords equivalent, basically ignored Afghanistan in the two years beforehand.

    Style over substance.

    His uncle was an EU Commissioner, so there's that.
    Style is what wins elections
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,966
    algarkirk said:

    MikeL said:

    Tom Tugendhadt has just gone 4th favourite for next Con leader, ahead of Gove (only behind Sunak, Truss, Hunt).

    I don't think I've seen a single post on here recently even mentioning him.

    Could he do it?

    Yes. The route is the Sherlockian one - once you have eliminated the impossible whatever remains however improbable must be the truth. While this is a fallacy technically, the real meaning is useful.

    The steps:

    1) Everyone currently in government is one, some or all of: useless, tainted, a risk because of what could emerge afterwards about bouncy castles and jelly, unelectable, without leadership quality

    2) Hunt becomes unelectable because he is too moderate, sensible, remainery and decent to have a chance

    3) The MPs in a fit of sense realise that while Steve Baker PM is a very funny joke, the members are capable of actually doing it so give them two others to choose from

    which leaves almost no-one else.





    Douglas Ross. If only to see JRM’s reaction as he is sacked.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,869
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    Do tell us when it comes out, please. With linky.
    The people at the Daily Mail think it is an amateur rocket enthusiast, FWIW, not a military jet

    It certainly looks like a rocket

    However the eye-witness contradicts them on size. She is adamant that the *thing* was enormous. There were planes in the sky for her to compare it with. She reckons the thing was ten times the size. That's quite an amateur rocket enthusiast

    Could be an optical illusion/Father Ted effect, natch

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    So if SAGE got it wrong did Boris get it wrong to order a massive speed up in the Booster campaign then?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    JACK_W said:

    Boris aint going anywhere

    The Cabinet has locked him in Rose Garden shed?
    Fat Pug is in the doghouse
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161
    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2ere told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    This. The problem is that that by crying wolf repeatedly, and not discussing false alarms, they are trashing the brand. Bit like BJ and parties at Downing Street.
    Public inquiry needs a thorough review of how SAGE operates and how modelling is used. No blame for individuals - looking at systemic issues. The number of modelling teams is too narrow imho.
    But individuals like Whitty are happy to take gongs and knighthoods, why should they be spared individual blame for getting things badly wrong?

    Van Tam got it horribly wrong on masks
    Whitty surely got it wrong on Plan B and his advice to scrap all parties might have ruined 1000 pubs
    Jenny Harries got it wrong on pretty much everything

    I don't see why boffins can be credited but not critiqued
    Ok - yeh. But I'm mainly interested in the modelling. As Lilico has been saying of late, why were there not more models, or models with different inputs/terms of reference?
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,524
    I rather like Marina Hyde's suggested new slogan for the Tories:

    Build Back Borisless.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,390
    dixiedean said:

    Have a feeling Big Dog is going to run and run.
    Another failed gag from the master comic who's out of touch.

    Inappropriate, too - the tail he's always chasing is rarely his own.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The thing about smugly throwing brick bats at SAGE is I remember September 2020 and all the experts on here deriding the Whitty and Valence exponential graph and spending 2 weeks going, "well, ok maybe cases are increasing but they aren't doing so exponentially" , in the face of an incredibly obvious exponential rise.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,869

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2ere told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    This. The problem is that that by crying wolf repeatedly, and not discussing false alarms, they are trashing the brand. Bit like BJ and parties at Downing Street.
    Public inquiry needs a thorough review of how SAGE operates and how modelling is used. No blame for individuals - looking at systemic issues. The number of modelling teams is too narrow imho.
    But individuals like Whitty are happy to take gongs and knighthoods, why should they be spared individual blame for getting things badly wrong?

    Van Tam got it horribly wrong on masks
    Whitty surely got it wrong on Plan B and his advice to scrap all parties might have ruined 1000 pubs
    Jenny Harries got it wrong on pretty much everything

    I don't see why boffins can be credited but not critiqued
    Ok - yeh. But I'm mainly interested in the modelling. As Lilico has been saying of late, why were there not more models, or models with different inputs/terms of reference?
    Completely agree of course. I simply feel the boffins can't be given an individual Get Out Of Jail Free card when they have exercised SO much undemocratic power. With power comes responsibility. Or it should

    I don't suggest trials or anything. But yes, name and criticise the decisions and decision makers who, in retrospect, got it wrong: politicians and scientists alike
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    Have a feeling Big Dog is going to run and run.
    Another failed gag from the master comic who's out of touch.

    Inappropriate, too - the tail he's always chasing is rarely his own.
    Plus he promised his new, young wife he would lose the weight.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    So what are the chances of success for Operation Clifford The Big Red Dog?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161
    Alistair said:

    So if SAGE got it wrong did Boris get it wrong to order a massive speed up in the Booster campaign then?

    SA didn't have a booster campaign iirc.
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    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2ere told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    This. The problem is that that by crying wolf repeatedly, and not discussing false alarms, they are trashing the brand. Bit like BJ and parties at Downing Street.
    Public inquiry needs a thorough review of how SAGE operates and how modelling is used. No blame for individuals - looking at systemic issues. The number of modelling teams is too narrow imho.
    But individuals like Whitty are happy to take gongs and knighthoods, why should they be spared individual blame for getting things badly wrong?

    Van Tam got it horribly wrong on masks
    Whitty surely got it wrong on Plan B and his advice to scrap all parties might have ruined 1000 pubs
    Jenny Harries got it wrong on pretty much everything

    I don't see why boffins can be credited but not critiqued
    Because they were not asked to get things 'right'. The only way they could have got things right would have been to say 'I'll tell you in a year's time when we have full information'. What you want as a government in this very difficult situation of having to take drastic decisions on very sketchy information - decisions which could lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths or to massive unnecessary economic and other damage - is the best opinions you can get, from people who are going to be as objective as possible, who know their stuff, are able to communicate it, and who are able to communicate the uncertainties. Castigating them for not being 'right' would be disastrous for the next time the government needs such advice.
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    JACK_W said:

    Boris aint going anywhere

    The Cabinet has locked him in Rose Garden shed?
    Correction: said shed is in the Downing Street Garden at No. 10-11, though it does have some rose beds.

    Shed of the Rose Garden on White House grounds, is where they should have locked up #45.
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    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,882
    Booster update - finally managed to book one at a time and place that is convenient to this (temporary) non-driver. I live in a Scottish city.

    Oddly, I feel a bit rebellious toward it. I hope this is the last one I am obliged to have, given the new rules on vaxx-ports in Scotland. As I've pointed out before, for us young-uns the personal benefit is not immediately obvious, and it's an hour I'm taking off work to save the life of some 50 year old anti vaxxer. Fuck 'em.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,390

    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MikeL said:

    Tom Tugendhadt has just gone 4th favourite for next Con leader, ahead of Gove (only behind Sunak, Truss, Hunt).

    I don't think I've seen a single post on here recently even mentioning him.

    Could he do it?

    Young

    MP since 2015

    Remainer

    St Pauls and Cambridge. Fought in Iraq and Afghanistan

    No govt job ever but chair of Foreign Affairs Committee whose vital current job is to crucify the Johnsons over the Kabul airlift...
    And who did a shit job of warning of the potential for problems beforehand - his committee, unlike their Lords equivalent, basically ignored Afghanistan in the two years beforehand.

    Style over substance.

    His uncle was an EU Commissioner, so there's that.
    Style is what wins elections
    Possibly - but I don't see what he brings to the table in terms either of experience or prescience.
    I don't think his candidacy, were it to happen, would stand up to scrutiny. Though he's a reasonably polished performer, what sets him apart from anyone else ?
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,869

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2ere told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    This. The problem is that that by crying wolf repeatedly, and not discussing false alarms, they are trashing the brand. Bit like BJ and parties at Downing Street.
    Public inquiry needs a thorough review of how SAGE operates and how modelling is used. No blame for individuals - looking at systemic issues. The number of modelling teams is too narrow imho.
    But individuals like Whitty are happy to take gongs and knighthoods, why should they be spared individual blame for getting things badly wrong?

    Van Tam got it horribly wrong on masks
    Whitty surely got it wrong on Plan B and his advice to scrap all parties might have ruined 1000 pubs
    Jenny Harries got it wrong on pretty much everything

    I don't see why boffins can be credited but not critiqued
    Because they were not asked to get things 'right'. The only way they could have got things right would have been to say 'I'll tell you in a year's time when we have full information'. What you want as a government in this very difficult situation of having to take drastic decisions on very sketchy information - decisions which could lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths or to massive unnecessary economic and other damage - is the best opinions you can get, from people who are going to be as objective as possible, who know their stuff, are able to communicate it, and who are able to communicate the uncertainties. Castigating them for not being 'right' would be disastrous for the next time the government needs such advice.
    I'm saying critiqued, not castigated

    Jesus Christ if these people are so snowflakey they will collapse under the mildest criticism, perhaps they all need replacing

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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,832
    IshmaelZ said:

    Operation Big Dog. Wow. He’s literally sitting at a desk planning how other people can fall on his sword. Apart from being a repugnant act of cowardice, this must constitute the first actual work he’s done since becoming PM.

    Just leave, you tedious pile of sick.

    https://twitter.com/RealMarkDexter/status/1482071317247627264

    Having wanted to be Prime Minister all his adult life (I suspect), Boris Johnson will be dragged kicking and screaming from No.10 either by Conservative MPs acting out of motivated self interest or (and this is much my preferred option) a vengeful electorate dishing out a defeat for the Conservatives which will make 1832, 1906, 1997 and 2001 look like mild setbacks.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,070

    I rather like Marina Hyde's suggested new slogan for the Tories:

    Build Back Borisless.

    She’s so edgy.
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    Leon said:


    I'm saying critiqued, not castigated

    Jesus Christ if these people are so snowflakey they will collapse under the mildest criticism, perhaps they all need replacing

    Given the flak they have had, including physical assaults, without complaining, they are hardly snowflakes.
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    That big dog won't hunt - American folk wisdom updated for 2022
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    IshmaelZ said:

    Operation Big Dog. Wow. He’s literally sitting at a desk planning how other people can fall on his sword. Apart from being a repugnant act of cowardice, this must constitute the first actual work he’s done since becoming PM.

    Just leave, you tedious pile of sick.

    https://twitter.com/RealMarkDexter/status/1482071317247627264

    Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his life.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161
    stodge said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Operation Big Dog. Wow. He’s literally sitting at a desk planning how other people can fall on his sword. Apart from being a repugnant act of cowardice, this must constitute the first actual work he’s done since becoming PM.

    Just leave, you tedious pile of sick.

    https://twitter.com/RealMarkDexter/status/1482071317247627264

    Having wanted to be Prime Minister all his adult life (I suspect), Boris Johnson will be dragged kicking and screaming from No.10 either by Conservative MPs acting out of motivated self interest or (and this is much my preferred option) a vengeful electorate dishing out a defeat for the Conservatives which will make 1832, 1906, 1997 and 2001 look like mild setbacks.
    Don't forget though that he wants to be someone who has been PM rather than actually do the tedious work of being PM.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,390
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2ere told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    This. The problem is that that by crying wolf repeatedly, and not discussing false alarms, they are trashing the brand. Bit like BJ and parties at Downing Street.
    Public inquiry needs a thorough review of how SAGE operates and how modelling is used. No blame for individuals - looking at systemic issues. The number of modelling teams is too narrow imho.
    But individuals like Whitty are happy to take gongs and knighthoods, why should they be spared individual blame for getting things badly wrong?

    Van Tam got it horribly wrong on masks
    Whitty surely got it wrong on Plan B and his advice to scrap all parties might have ruined 1000 pubs
    Jenny Harries got it wrong on pretty much everything

    I don't see why boffins can be credited but not critiqued
    Because they were not asked to get things 'right'. The only way they could have got things right would have been to say 'I'll tell you in a year's time when we have full information'. What you want as a government in this very difficult situation of having to take drastic decisions on very sketchy information - decisions which could lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths or to massive unnecessary economic and other damage - is the best opinions you can get, from people who are going to be as objective as possible, who know their stuff, are able to communicate it, and who are able to communicate the uncertainties. Castigating them for not being 'right' would be disastrous for the next time the government needs such advice.
    I'm saying critiqued, not castigated

    Jesus Christ if these people are so snowflakey they will collapse under the mildest criticism, perhaps they all need replacing

    That's fair - scientific advice ought to be open and subject to (scientific) scrutiny.
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    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    I remember the other day some people pointing out Labour hadn't gone up much.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,132
    Remember, this is not a pure Boris Johnson scandal, it's a Conservative Party scandal. No quick reinvention. Not on your nelly. A decade in opposition is the price they must pay. A chance not to be wasted. We only get a few. Need to convert!
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,070
    dixiedean said:

    I see the Arsenal want the derby with Spurs off now.
    This is ridiculous, teams playing if, and when, they feel like it.
    Should have cracked down at the very start. No team, youth team. No youth team forfeit.
    Simples.

    Rugby League has the right idea.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/59884125
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    TresTres Posts: 2,208

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2ere told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    This. The problem is that that by crying wolf repeatedly, and not discussing false alarms, they are trashing the brand. Bit like BJ and parties at Downing Street.
    Public inquiry needs a thorough review of how SAGE operates and how modelling is used. No blame for individuals - looking at systemic issues. The number of modelling teams is too narrow imho.
    But individuals like Whitty are happy to take gongs and knighthoods, why should they be spared individual blame for getting things badly wrong?

    Van Tam got it horribly wrong on masks
    Whitty surely got it wrong on Plan B and his advice to scrap all parties might have ruined 1000 pubs
    Jenny Harries got it wrong on pretty much everything

    I don't see why boffins can be credited but not critiqued
    Ok - yeh. But I'm mainly interested in the modelling. As Lilico has been saying of late, why were there not more models, or models with different inputs/terms of reference?
    Why doesn't Lilico come up with his own model instead of sniping?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161
    IshmaelZ said:

    Operation Big Dog. Wow. He’s literally sitting at a desk planning how other people can fall on his sword. Apart from being a repugnant act of cowardice, this must constitute the first actual work he’s done since becoming PM.

    Just leave, you tedious pile of sick.

    https://twitter.com/RealMarkDexter/status/1482071317247627264

    I'm losing track with the animals. Last month it was identifying with a pig wasn't it?
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    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
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    I think most you all know where David Roe used to work, so his views on Save Big Dog are quite illuminating.

    Reminds me of the closure of NotW to save the career of one woman. Worked in the end.

    https://twitter.com/DavidRoe92/status/1482073989744836617
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,911

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2h
    We were told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    Indeed. I’m not clear why auditing their accuracy is considered so gauche, as many seem to think, right here on PB.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,945

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    That's only a 1.25% swing from 1997.
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    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,945
    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    I see the Arsenal want the derby with Spurs off now.
    This is ridiculous, teams playing if, and when, they feel like it.
    Should have cracked down at the very start. No team, youth team. No youth team forfeit.
    Simples.

    Rugby League has the right idea.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/59884125
    Yes.
    Although they pissed around so much last season that only the Mighty Wigan played all their games in the end.
    But yeah. 48-0 time has come.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,524

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    I remember the other day some people pointing out Labour hadn't gone up much.
    Well, I was one of them, when Labour was at 38% and the Tories 28%. Much happier now, thanks, although the lead is exactly the same. I said I expected Labour to be in the 40s by this weekend, and they are. The Tories will fall below 32%, though.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,299
    edited January 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    That's only a 1.25% swing from 1997.
    If I'm honest, the leadership ratings right now imply an utter shellacking for a Boris Johnson led Tory party, more so than the VI figures.

    I don't think his personality will save him.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,869
    edited January 2022

    Leon said:


    I'm saying critiqued, not castigated

    Jesus Christ if these people are so snowflakey they will collapse under the mildest criticism, perhaps they all need replacing

    Given the flak they have had, including physical assaults, without complaining, they are hardly snowflakes.
    The assaults and abuse are absolutely wrong, and the idiots that do it need punishing

    Nonetheless our scientific establishment has got lots of things badly wrong, from the get go (like presuming Covid was the flu, a terrible error in retrospect, which probably cost 50,000 lives?)

    How come I knew masks were vital even as Profs Van Tam and Harries insisted they were useless? Etc

    The inquiry needs to name the individuals if they made mistakes - and name their mistakes. So we can all learn.

    "With hindsight, so-and-so was wrong to recommend a further lockdown/Plan B, etc etc"

    That's all I am suggesting. It's not exactly kneecappings and show trials
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,118
    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2ere told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    This. The problem is that that by crying wolf repeatedly, and not discussing false alarms, they are trashing the brand. Bit like BJ and parties at Downing Street.
    Public inquiry needs a thorough review of how SAGE operates and how modelling is used. No blame for individuals - looking at systemic issues. The number of modelling teams is too narrow imho.
    But individuals like Whitty are happy to take gongs and knighthoods, why should they be spared individual blame for getting things badly wrong?

    Van Tam got it horribly wrong on masks
    Whitty surely got it wrong on Plan B and his advice to scrap all parties might have ruined 1000 pubs
    Jenny Harries got it wrong on pretty much everything

    I don't see why boffins can be credited but not critiqued
    Ok - yeh. But I'm mainly interested in the modelling. As Lilico has been saying of late, why were there not more models, or models with different inputs/terms of reference?
    Why doesn't Lilico come up with his own model instead of sniping?
    He’s had a few goes at modelling back before Omicron
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    dixiedean said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    That's only a 1.25% swing from 1997.
    Am I using Electoral Calculus correctly then? It shows Labour still 1 short of a majority on these figures.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited January 2022
    dixiedean said:

    *** Betting Post ***

    In the Next PM market (Betfair), you can currently get over 40.0 on Raab. I think that's excellent value (I've just topped up at 50.0).

    The important thing here is the exact rules which Betfair apply:

    "We will settle this market on the Prime Minister after Boris Johnson as published on https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/prime-minister "

    So this is NOT the same as the Next Leader market, where an interim leader doesn't count. If Boris stands down in a hurry, then there's a possibility we might need an interim PM while the Conservative Party chooses a new leader. There's a good chance that would be current Deputy PM Raab, in which you win. You might also win by him becoming next leader; that's not likely, but better than 40 to 1 odds ain't bad even without the interim PM bonus.

    DYOR, this is not advice, etc etc.

    Good spot. As Deputy PM he's the obvious choice.
    After a bad vonc and Boris flounce to pals home on the med, could the temp be anyone but Raab? Would Chair of leadership election say someone not a candidate for example?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
    How long since Lab had 42 in a poll?

    Not since Blair????
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827
    Dennis Skinner - "When posh boys get into trouble they sack the servants"

    See operation big dog for more information
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    I remember the other day some people pointing out Labour hadn't gone up much.
    The sad truth which should be universally acknowledged the Libdems not making much move here considering the fall in Conservative support.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,804

    IshmaelZ said:

    Operation Big Dog. Wow. He’s literally sitting at a desk planning how other people can fall on his sword. Apart from being a repugnant act of cowardice, this must constitute the first actual work he’s done since becoming PM.

    Just leave, you tedious pile of sick.

    https://twitter.com/RealMarkDexter/status/1482071317247627264

    I'm losing track with the animals. Last month it was identifying with a pig wasn't it?
    Planning how other people can fall on his sword. Yep.

    I wonder if Boris's tenure can be described entirely in "do" words.

    Dom, doxx (as he now does to his officials), doss, doff (their caps to 'im) and, more than any other, d'oh!
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,130

    FFS. They just can't help themselves can they? SAGE modellers warning of summer exit wave of 1000s of admissions.

    Is anyone listening anymore?


    "In a research paper submitted to No10's scientific advisory group (SAGE) last week, the team at Warwick University projected up to 10,000 daily admissions in an absolute worst-case scenario.

    The modellers admit that they cannot predict the summer wave 'with any certainty', but they are confident there will be a resurgence between May and July 'due to increased mixing and waning vaccine immunity'."

    Mail

    Hmmm. The vaccine thing is quite significant. Do we keep them going at least for the vulnerable.
    And we’re back at nAB vs t and B cells.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161
    More merde for Big Dog.

    Where was his place of work during lockdown?


    https://twitter.com/lara_spirit/status/1482039865856385024
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,299
    edited January 2022

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
    How long since Lab had 42 in a poll?

    Not since Blair????
    Not since Corbyn, July 2018, but Starmer is trouncing BoJo in the leader ratings in a way Jez didn't.

    EDIT - FAKE NEWS - Labour polled 42% under Starmer in November 2020.
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    Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737
    edited January 2022

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
    How long since Lab had 42 in a poll?

    Not since Blair????
    Autumn 2020 with Ipsos Mori IIRC
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,365
    DougSeal said:

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking:

    The Indy claims to have details of the clown’s plan to dump the blame on lots of others:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-downing-street-partygate-b1993433.html

    Which the idiot has allegedly himself named “Operation Save Big Dog”

    There was a gobby overweight idiot I used to play rugby with insisted everyone call him “Big Dog”. I used to refer to him as “Small Mutt” or “Tiny Chihuahua” just to piss him off.
    Choosing your own nickname is always ridiculous.
    Unless it is a handle on some bulletin board, of course.
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    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,583

    dixiedean said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    That's only a 1.25% swing from 1997.
    Am I using Electoral Calculus correctly then? It shows Labour still 1 short of a majority on these figures.
    Difference is: Scotland MPs in 1997 = 56 Lab, 10 LD, 6 SNP. Scotland MPs today on this poll = 59 SNP
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,249

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2h
    We were told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    Indeed. I’m not clear why auditing their accuracy is considered so gauche, as many seem to think, right here on PB.
    To start with, Show Your Workings.

    These models do not require vast computational resources. Github the code, complete with some handy examples - in easily runnable form.

    Open source the inputs you are using for the model as well - set it up so anyone can download and run what you have done. And twiddle the inputs.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    Lot of fog here in Midlands.

    Maybe it's not real?

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,161

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
    How long since Lab had 42 in a poll?

    Not since Blair????
    Autumn 2020 with Ipsos Mori IIRC
    Thanks.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,869

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,249
    Cookie said:

    DougSeal said:

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking:

    The Indy claims to have details of the clown’s plan to dump the blame on lots of others:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-downing-street-partygate-b1993433.html

    Which the idiot has allegedly himself named “Operation Save Big Dog”

    There was a gobby overweight idiot I used to play rugby with insisted everyone call him “Big Dog”. I used to refer to him as “Small Mutt” or “Tiny Chihuahua” just to piss him off.
    Choosing your own nickname is always ridiculous.
    Unless it is a handle on some bulletin board, of course.
    Yes. It's on the same level as claiming to be hard or cool.
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    I think most you all know where David Roe used to work, so his views on Save Big Dog are quite illuminating.

    Reminds me of the closure of NotW to save the career of one woman. Worked in the end.

    https://twitter.com/DavidRoe92/status/1482073989744836617

    I see no tweet.
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    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    Where is "here" out of interest?
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    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    So how far is it from Tooting to Woking, where the Martians first landed in HG Wells's "War of the Worlds"?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
    How long since Lab had 42 in a poll?

    Not since Blair????
    Autumn 2020 with Ipsos Mori IIRC
    Corbyn exceeded 42 many times

    He peaked with Lab on 46 on 1.12.17 an 8 pt lead.

    His biggest lead was 44/32 also in 2017
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    FF43 said:

    Most people just have one party at a time (I never have any at all). How do you manage two? Is one in the attic and the other in the basement and do people shuttle between the two?

    It must be a new interpretation of socially distanced parties?
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    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
    How long since Lab had 42 in a poll?

    Not since Blair????
    If Corbyn ever got 42% in a poll I am sure someone will be along shortly to tell us.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,804

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
    How long since Lab had 42 in a poll?

    Not since Blair????
    Before today's pair, Opinium 5-6/11/20. SKS's 5th 42, not been above yet.

    Corbyn's high was 46 in two polls in June 2017!
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    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    Where is "here" out of interest?
    Down the road from you. Newbury Park.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,827

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+5)
    CON: 32% (-1)
    LDEM: 11% (-)
    GRN: 4% (-1)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 13 - 14 Jan
    Chgs. w/ 09 Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1482069385913286660

    HYUFD will be along in a minute in Comical Ali mode!
    Big John, please explain.
    How long since Lab had 42 in a poll?

    Not since Blair????
    Autumn 2020 with Ipsos Mori IIRC
    Corbyn exceeded 42 many times

    He peaked with Lab on 46 on 1.12.17 an 8 pt lead.

    His biggest lead was 44/32 also in 2017
    That should say 42/32 10 point led not 12
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,249

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2ere told we had to follow the advice of the experts. Fine. But if we're going to be expected to do that, then we have to assess the accuracy and validity of that advice. And in the case of Omicron it was wrong. Manifestly, spectacularly, comprehensively wrong.

    This. The problem is that that by crying wolf repeatedly, and not discussing false alarms, they are trashing the brand. Bit like BJ and parties at Downing Street.
    Public inquiry needs a thorough review of how SAGE operates and how modelling is used. No blame for individuals - looking at systemic issues. The number of modelling teams is too narrow imho.
    But individuals like Whitty are happy to take gongs and knighthoods, why should they be spared individual blame for getting things badly wrong?

    Van Tam got it horribly wrong on masks
    Whitty surely got it wrong on Plan B and his advice to scrap all parties might have ruined 1000 pubs
    Jenny Harries got it wrong on pretty much everything

    I don't see why boffins can be credited but not critiqued
    Because they were not asked to get things 'right'. The only way they could have got things right would have been to say 'I'll tell you in a year's time when we have full information'. What you want as a government in this very difficult situation of having to take drastic decisions on very sketchy information - decisions which could lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths or to massive unnecessary economic and other damage - is the best opinions you can get, from people who are going to be as objective as possible, who know their stuff, are able to communicate it, and who are able to communicate the uncertainties. Castigating them for not being 'right' would be disastrous for the next time the government needs such advice.
    Simply saying that all expert advice has no comeback in public service is ridiculous.

    It's not about castigation - what we need here is good old https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_culture

    It's a hard concept for some. IIRC the police in Strathclyde tried to seize and use as evidence interview recordings from an air accident. When interviewed on TV, it was quite clear the policeman doing the interview couldn't understand why anyone would not want to find a person to blame.....

    We need a feedback system of

    1) What went right
    2) What went wrong
    3) What nearly went wrong
    4) What nearly went right
    5) Next time.....
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,130

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    So how far is it from Tooting to Woking, where the Martians first landed in HG Wells's "War of the Worlds"?
    Nothing on tooting twitter.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    Do tell us when it comes out, please. With linky.
    The people at the Daily Mail think it is an amateur rocket enthusiast, FWIW, not a military jet

    It certainly looks like a rocket

    However the eye-witness contradicts them on size. She is adamant that the *thing* was enormous. There were planes in the sky for her to compare it with. She reckons the thing was ten times the size. That's quite an amateur rocket enthusiast

    Could be an optical illusion/Father Ted effect, natch

    So she was standing there watching it, what happened to it? Where did it go? Some amateur rocket isnt going to achieve stable orbit.

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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited January 2022
    Why are so many shrewd Political Punters on here, at this end of the week, still posting they think he will survive? The Smithsons, Eagles?

    I’m calling it. The moment the reports published the letters go in.

    What the report says, how damaging it is, doesn’t matter at all now, my tip to Sue play it safe warble on about Peppa Pig, no one will notice it doesn’t matter what you say, because report publication it’s purely the moment the Conservative Party claims it has enough to act.

    This is the kicker: They have already been given enough to act, by Boris himself this week, when he admitted he lied to Parliament, admitted he broke the law, admitted he was at a party the same hour his spokesman was telling the nation nobody could! After the report, MPs send their letters in with piece to camera saying ‘from this report it unfortunately looks like Boris repeatedly mislead the house, and I don’t want to do this, as you know I voted for him, but we can’t have that.’

    The report doesn’t matter now, they already have what they need. It matters only as symbolic cover for the action. The truth is, what drives the remaining letters and the comprehensive vonc is appreciating how this cocktail of anger and ridicule, of memes on distrust and betrayal that perhaps last for generations, is now damaging the whole party long term, not just Boris electoral prospects long term.

    I’ve called it. Only about ten more excruciating days of Boozy Bozo to go and we enter the interesting New World of post Boris Conservative Politics.

    And on that note, let’s party 🥳
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    8% thinking Boris has been honest is quite encouraging, really. In previous polls about 12% thought the moon landings were faked, so the population is becoming more in touch with reality.

    I wonder what percentage of folk believe that aliens are regularly visiting us and simultaneously think Brexit was a good thing?
    Presumably the ones who think the aliens are here to sign a brilliant trade deal with us.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,226

    I rather like Marina Hyde's suggested new slogan for the Tories:

    Build Back Borisless.

    Get Boris Gone is more snappy.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,249

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    So how far is it from Tooting to Woking, where the Martians first landed in HG Wells's "War of the Worlds"?
    Nothing on tooting twitter.
    It's all a false alarm. Swamp gas disturbed by someone doing donuts in a carpark. In a Covenanter tank.......
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    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    Where is "here" out of interest?
    The Twilight Zone.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,581

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    So how far is it from Tooting to Woking, where the Martians first landed in HG Wells's "War of the Worlds"?
    As I mentioned on the previous thread they flattened what used to be my local in Byfleet. The bastards.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,213
    edited January 2022
    IanB2 said:

    I rather like Marina Hyde's suggested new slogan for the Tories:

    Build Back Borisless.

    Get Boris Gone is more snappy.
    "Fuck BusinessBoris" is more catchy!
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,070

    Why are so many shrewd Political Punters on here, at this end of the week, still posting they think he will survive? The Smithsons, Eagles?

    I’m calling it. The moment the reports published the letters go in.

    What the report says, how damaging it is, doesn’t matter at all now, my tip to Sue play it safe warble on about Peppa Pig, no one will notice it doesn’t matter what you say, because report publication it’s purely the moment the Conservative Party claims it has enough to act.

    This is the kicker: They have already been given enough to act, by Boris himself this week, when he admitted he lied to Parliament, admitted he broke the law, admitted he was at a party the same hour his spokesman was telling the nation nobody could! After the report, MPs send their letters in with piece to camera saying ‘from this report it unfortunately looks like Boris repeatedly mislead the house, and I don’t want to do this, as you know I voted for him, but we can’t have that.’

    The report doesn’t matter now, they already have what they need. It matters only as symbolic cover for the action. The truth is, what drives the remaining letters and the comprehensive vonc is appreciating how this cocktail of anger and ridicule, of memes on distrust and betrayal that perhaps last for generations, is now damaging the whole party long term, not just Boris electoral prospects long term.

    I’ve called it. Only about ten more excruciating days of Boozy Bozo to go and we enter the interesting New World of post Boris Conservative Politics.

    And on that note, let’s party 🥳

    I think he’s gone after he drubbing they get in the May locals. The party won’t stomach the loss of many hard working councillors to pander to this clowns ego.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,249

    Why are so many shrewd Political Punters on here, at this end of the week, still posting they think he will survive? The Smithsons, Eagles?

    I’m calling it. The moment the reports published the letters go in.

    What the report says, how damaging it is, doesn’t matter at all now, my tip to Sue play it safe warble on about Peppa Pig, no one will notice it doesn’t matter what you say, because report publication it’s purely the moment the Conservative Party claims it has enough to act.

    This is the kicker: They have already been given enough to act, by Boris himself this week, when he admitted he lied to Parliament, admitted he broke the law, admitted he was at a party the same hour his spokesman was telling the nation nobody could! After the report, MPs send their letters in with piece to camera saying ‘from this report it unfortunately looks like Boris repeatedly mislead the house, and I don’t want to do this, as you know I voted for him, but we can’t have that.’

    The report doesn’t matter now, they already have what they need. It matters only as symbolic cover for the action. The truth is, what drives the remaining letters and the comprehensive vonc is appreciating how this cocktail of anger and ridicule, of memes on distrust and betrayal that perhaps last for generations, is now damaging the whole party long term, not just Boris electoral prospects long term.

    I’ve called it. Only about ten more excruciating days of Boozy Bozo to go and we enter the interesting New World of post Boris Conservative Politics.

    And on that note, let’s party 🥳

    It's matter of the politics catching up with the reality. Binning the PM because of some press report, and a few polls, the report not even begun? People are talking themselves in and out of it. It needs something concrete.... Something that is "real" in the political world.

    Until that happens, we are still in Phase 1 of this, I think.
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    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    So how far is it from Tooting to Woking, where the Martians first landed in HG Wells's "War of the Worlds"?
    Nothing on tooting twitter.
    Tooting, Wooking - are we starting to see a pattern to the alien invasions?

    Quick, someone warn the good (and bad) folk of Ealing, Darjeeling, Steyning and Wheeling!
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    Arsenal striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang has been ruled out of Gabon's Africa Cup of Nations game against Ghana with 'heart lesions' after a bout of Covid.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,911
    Did we establish whether aliens have landed in Tooting? It’s the other side of London from me, and I haven’t been in years, but there’s a few decent boozers down there. The King’s Head is reasonable choice for our intergalactic friends.

    Kudos.
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    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    Where is "here" out of interest?
    Down the road from you. Newbury Park.
    Oh didn't realise you were so near! Streetlights here seem fine - for now!
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,869
    I've enlarged THE TOOTING-GATE UAP VIDEO and I reckon the Daily Mail are right, it is a rocket. You can freeze frame it at 8 seconds, when for a tiny moment the image clarifies, and it has a distinct cinched waist like a more angular V2 rocket

    Though that could also fit a fighter jet shooting straight up, I suppose

    The size remains a mystery, it must be pretty big, but if it is as big as she claims that is sensational. 10 times the size of a jet plane?

    That has to be wrong, an optical illusion, but even so - as I say - it must be pretty big. It's too stable to be little

    Who the hell is firing chunky-ass rockets to the south west of Tooting?!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,544
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    No little green men visible in Leicester, though it is rather foggy.

    AT LEAST IT SEEMS TO BE FOG
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Good evening PB.

    Anyone else starting to get bored with Partygate?

    The outrage about today's "revelations" about people partying on the eve of Prince Philips funeral seems confected as well given the vast majority of the leftie journos at BBC, ITV and Sky as well as the Labour Party would get rid of Her Majesty tomorrow is they could.

    I think the Sunday papers need to bring something new to the table or it feels like it's starting to fizzle until that Sue persons reports anyway...
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    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    So how far is it from Tooting to Woking, where the Martians first landed in HG Wells's "War of the Worlds"?
    Nothing on tooting twitter.
    Tooting, Wooking - are we starting to see a pattern to the alien invasions?

    Quick, someone warn the good (and bad) folk of Ealing, Darjeeling, Steyning and Wheeling!
    Our good friend Hyufd lives in Epping.

    He hasn't been on tonite.

    Spooky.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,583
    Leon said:

    I've enlarged THE TOOTING-GATE UAP VIDEO and I reckon the Daily Mail are right, it is a rocket. You can freeze frame it at 8 seconds, when for a tiny moment the image clarifies, and it has a distinct cinched waist like a more angular V2 rocket

    Though that could also fit a fighter jet shooting straight up, I suppose

    The size remains a mystery, it must be pretty big, but if it is as big as she claims that is sensational. 10 times the size of a jet plane?

    That has to be wrong, an optical illusion, but even so - as I say - it must be pretty big. It's too stable to be little

    Who the hell is firing chunky-ass rockets to the south west of Tooting?!

    Size confusion all due to perspective surely?
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    GIN1138 said:

    Good evening PB.

    Anyone else starting to get bored with Partygate?

    The outrage about today's "revelations" about people partying on the eve of Prince Philips funeral seems confected as well given the vast majority of the leftie journos at BBC, ITV and Sky as well as the Labour Party would get rid of Her Majesty tomorrow is they could.

    I think the Sunday papers need to bring something new to the table or it feels like it's starting to fizzle until that Sue persons reports anyway...

    Hope springs eternal. Like Tory faith in Boris Johnson?
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,069

    Did we establish whether aliens have landed in Tooting? It’s the other side of London from me, and I haven’t been in years, but there’s a few decent boozers down there. The King’s Head is reasonable choice for our intergalactic friends.

    Kudos.

    Jaffna House does some of the best Sri Lankan food in London.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,249
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    So how far is it from Tooting to Woking, where the Martians first landed in HG Wells's "War of the Worlds"?
    As I mentioned on the previous thread they flattened what used to be my local in Byfleet. The bastards.
    Video live in from Tooting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBT68a56s70
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    Leon said:

    I've enlarged THE TOOTING-GATE UAP VIDEO and I reckon the Daily Mail are right, it is a rocket. You can freeze frame it at 8 seconds, when for a tiny moment the image clarifies, and it has a distinct cinched waist like a more angular V2 rocket

    Though that could also fit a fighter jet shooting straight up, I suppose

    The size remains a mystery, it must be pretty big, but if it is as big as she claims that is sensational. 10 times the size of a jet plane?

    That has to be wrong, an optical illusion, but even so - as I say - it must be pretty big. It's too stable to be little

    Who the hell is firing chunky-ass rockets to the south west of Tooting?!

    Wolfie Smith has been armed by Kim Jong-Un?
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    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You're gonna have to wait for the Mail to publish, for the actual video of Tooting-gate. Soz

    The street lights have just gone out here. Stage two of the alien invasion?
    In the words of my friend in Tooting

    SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY GOING ON


    No little green men visible in Leicester, though it is rather foggy.

    AT LEAST IT SEEMS TO BE FOG
    My advice is, avoid any locality ending in "ing"!
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