Rees-Mogg’s belittling the Scottish CON leader was dumb – politicalbetting.com
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The Queen can create hereditary dukedoms at the stroke of a pen, without Parliament's consent. I'm sure revoking them is just the same.Pro_Rata said:
A Twitter commenter on the thread noted that the titles require parliament to be involved. Not sure the exact truth of that, but could be the reason?StuartDickson said:
Has anyone asked the people of York, Inverness and Killyleagh if they want this turd to continue sullying their good name?HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
If the Grenadier Guards can give him the boot, why not Invernesians?0 -
Thinking about Johnson using Covid isolation rules as a way to hide from public scrutiny I now think I agree with our resident libertarian pirate in thinking that it is time for those rules to go. I was content for them to stay for the time being, to reduce the size of the peak of the Omicron wave, but with cases now rapidly falling, and the rules proving to be more useful for political expediency rather than public health, I have now changed my mind.
Scrap the Covid isolation rules - force Johnson to face scrutiny for his misdeeds.3 -
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?0 -
They could always style him Duke of Dork.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
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BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
Full statement 👇 https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481678636096892929/photo/10 -
He is no longer a working royal or with a royal title and only 9th in the line of succession.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
Removing his non royal title however does not follow precedent, even some convicted criminals have kept their titles eg the current Duke of Marlborough or Lord Brocket, who both did their time and are now back in society with their titles still0 -
I read that as "and only 3000 loyal readers", which, considering the way things have been going with the Telegraph's quality over the last few years..RobD said:
Voodoo poll. And of only 3000 loyal readers.Scott_xP said:📝 For today’s Telegraph politics blog we asked our loyal readers and subscribers if Boris Johnson is still the right person to be Prime Minister
This was their resounding verdict: https://twitter.com/DominicPenna/status/1481658685235494920/photo/12 -
Moggie, Moggie, Moggie!
Out, Out, Out!
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Ah yes, the faceless cannon fodder... Poor guy!IanB2 said:
And the next LibDem leader.Anabobazina said:Jess P and source-shopper Oakeshott headline Question Time tonight
With some token man from the Tories.0 -
Off-Topic PostMaxPB said:
I'd actually say it's the other way around for cases and mild symptoms which may be registered in the testing system. Our under 40s are far less vaccinated than the French under 40s yet we're registering far, far fewer symptomatic Omicron cases among those groups than in France. The difference is that we've had 7-9m Delta cases in those groups over the last few months while France has had just a couple of million. Two doses doesn't seem to give any protection from mild symptoms at all but still decent protection from severe symptoms and France ramped up their booster programme for under 40s later than we did.CarlottaVance said:
There's also who has been vaccinated - this was the situation three weeks ago:MaxPB said:Massive drop in cases for England, almost 36% WoW by reporting date and that's with a fair bit of reporting lag catch up as well, we should see what the specimen date drops look like in a few days. I feel confident in saying that Omicron was not really ever going to trouble us.
I've been wondering why France in particular has seen its case rate surging, their testing programme is similar to ours (mainly testing the symptomatic) but they are clocking in 2-3x the cases as the UK per day. It's been so many that they're on track for more cases than the UK in total which I didn't think would happen given the huge number we had over the summer. I think the UK natural immunity wall has made a big difference here is that those people who recovered from delta over the summer are now not getting symptoms from Omicron so aren't bothering to get tested.
I'd be really interested to know how many of their unvaccinated have had infections, I think that and two dose immunity is why their case numbers are extremely high.
MAX - in your personal opinion would it be wise to buy a subscription to PS Now at the present time?
I'm concerned that a new tiered approach would mean I had to pay more to stream games. Not fussed about playing online, just want to be able to try lots of games out from the PS library. And hoping that current subscriptions aren't downgraded.-1 -
No, a Voodoo Pole would be a psephologist from Warsaw moving to Haiti.RobD said:
Voodoo poll. And of only 3000 loyal readers.Scott_xP said:📝 For today’s Telegraph politics blog we asked our loyal readers and subscribers if Boris Johnson is still the right person to be Prime Minister
This was their resounding verdict: https://twitter.com/DominicPenna/status/1481658685235494920/photo/10 -
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Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
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Considering the number of law-breakers in that place, I’m sure Andrew will be seen as a fellow traveller.Pro_Rata said:
A Twitter commenter on the thread noted that the titles require parliament to be involved. Not sure the exact truth of that, but could be the reason?StuartDickson said:
Has anyone asked the people of York, Inverness and Killyleagh if they want this turd to continue sullying their good name?HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
If the Grenadier Guards can give him the boot, why not Invernesians?0 -
The many thousands of people fined for breaching Covid rules may wish they could only have asked a close colleague to investigate them before needing to involve the police.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/14816791792425205823 -
FarcicalScott_xP said:BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
Full statement 👇 https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481678636096892929/photo/1
The law must be for all.
Why the hell is it ok for police to fine people like this;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-59986522
???
Ridiculous.2 -
Still irked by this:
“even if [the party] could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there would be millions of people who would not see it that way.”
He doesn’t think HE is in the wrong. He thinks WE are. We - the public. Wrong to see it as a breach of the law.😡
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Someone is using reporting day numbers.. Someone is being naughty {kicks the cage of flying lawyers with baseball bats}MattW said:
Where does this alleged 300+ number come from?TimS said:
The recent rise in deaths does look too rapid and lacking in medical logic. A number of people have pointed out that prevalence rates in the community mean that the incidental "with Covid" rates would be expected to be high. On a population wide basis if 5-10% of people had it at any one time then 5-10% of total deaths (of a few thousand) would be around 50-100 per day I think.Pulpstar said:
Case rate amongst 90+ in England peaked on Jan 4th, so I'd expect deaths by specimen to peak around 18th. There's the eternal backfilling too so reported deaths could stay high for a while.TheWhiteRabbit said:Big fall in cases, even allowing for Scottish LFTs.
Hospital admissions + number flat.
Deaths remain a concern but should follow suit.
But that still doesn't explain 300+. Either it's true Omicron mortality, but the ICU stats give the lie to that, or it's:
- Christmas backfilling (but that would imply Delta deaths in December were higher than we thought, which in hindsight is bad news), or
- Prevalence in hospitals and care homes significantly higher than the UK average. Possible, especially in hospitals - though no hard evidence of that
I have yet to see it on the Coronavirus Dashboard.
Actual numbers...
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The big thing about Sue Gray, if I've heard this once this last few days I've heard it a thousand times, is that she goes about her job "without fear or favour". Which sounds terrific. This Report of hers needs to be pretty devastating to live up to the expectations I've (perhaps foolishly) allowed myself to develop. How it might not be is if it sticks too much to de-blooded mundane facts. We want the facts, yes, but we also want some editorial so long as it flows with irrefutable logic from those facts. I think it might shy away from that. But we'll see. I certainly haven't looked forward to a report from the civil service so much for ages.IshmaelZ said:
Link from a comment on that thread, in depth description of Sue Gray from 2015rottenborough said:Jonathan Powell
@jnpowell1
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5. Lastly I was in No 10 for ten years and we didn’t have as many staff parties in a decade as they appear to have had in a few months. When on earth did they find time to do any work?
She sounds like a less user friendly Rosa Klebb, and the last person I'd want investigating me. Effectively did for Fox and Mitchell apparently
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I hesitate to say this for fear of what my mentions will look like, but was chatting to an MP this morning who said one of the ways that the heat eases on the PM is that other big stories develop (and this person explicitly mentioned Prince Andrew) & attention shifts somewhat.
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The truer week on week deaths rise by date of death looks to be a little over 30% at the moment (1342 to week ending 8/1 vs 1020 to week ending 1/1).
And I'd expect date of death to be less sensitive to the holidays than sample date for cases.0 -
Detoxified? Ho ho. We’ll see how the detoxification process is going in May.Burgessian said:
I think she feels fine, and pleased that Douglas Ross managed to consolidate the position by hanging on to 31 MSPs in May. Managing to detoxify the Tory brand in Scotland to the extent she did was a significant achievement, whatever Stuart says.Foxy said:
Without her in 2017, I don't think that the Tories would have had enough Scottish seats to form a government.StuartDickson said:
The Ruth Was Fantastic myth is one of the biggest oddities of the last decade.Alistair said:
She took over in 2011!Burgessian said:
They got 13 MPs in 2017 after Ruth had had time to turn the party round. Since devolution she is one of only two Scottish politicians with the dynamism and personality to make the political weather. The other was Alex Salmond.HYUFD said:
Ruth was also leader of the SCons in 2015 when the Tories got 1 MP, they still now have 6 with Boris as UK PM.StuartDickson said:
You’re going to incur the wrath of Ruth. Better put your helmet on.HYUFD said:
In FPTP terms Scottish Conservatives also won only 6 MPs in 2019 while UK Tories won 365 MPs under Boris. They are only a small wing of the party and largely irrelevant to the party and Union unless they manage to deny the SNP a majority at Holyrood, which they have still failed to do.Burgessian said:
Uninformed comment. In Scotland we have multi-member wards with transferable votes. In practice, it makes it almost impossible for any party to win a majority on a Scottish Council. If FPTP had applied, as in England, the Scots Tories would certainly have won a very handsome majority on Aberdeenshire Council in 2017 when the council was last contested.HYUFD said:
Epping Forest was NOC in the early 2000s and late 1990s, we do not consider we controlled the council then only now as we have a Conservative majority.RochdalePioneers said:
Could call Andy Kille in the Council Leader's office at the council office (which interestingly is in Aberdeen city - another council's area...) and tell him that although he runs the council he really doesn't and there is nothing to save.StuartDickson said:
“ the Conservatives control no council in Scotland”HYUFD said:
And my original comment was the Conservatives control no council in Scotland, which is correct. Not a single council in Scotland has a Conservative majority of its councillorskjh said:
He didn't say it was. He referred to him as council leader. No idea if that is accurate, but he never said it was majority controlled.HYUFD said:
Aberdeenshire is NOC not Conservative majority controlledRochdalePioneers said:I am energised and excited that HYUFD is supporting the campaign to remove Conservative councillors here in Scotland. I would like to invite him to come leaflet with me in Fraserburgh to unseat Aberdeenshire Council leader Andy Kille, who's leadership he describes as "nothing to save".
I think that "Nothing to Save" is a fine election slogan when you run a council.
Have you informed Douglas Ross?
I thought JRM was spectacularly tone-deaf last night. But compared to HY...
If SCons consider NOC a Tory majority no wonder they fail to win more
They do not dictate who leads the UK party
So Ruth should stop whinging about Boris, he did better for the SCons than Cameron did at Westminster
She lead the party to worst ever local council elections, worst ever Euro elections and then worst by vote share General Election result (only missing absolute worst ever by a few hundred votes in DCT for Mundell to cling on).
She only started making progress in 2016 when she adopted her defeated leadership opponent Murdo Fraser's idea to get rid of the Conservative branding in Scotland(combined with Labour shooting themselves in the head during the IndyRef campaign).
I wonder how she feels about that now.0 -
That was Ghislaine Maxwell's mistake.Malmesbury said:
And be defended by a range of people who now condemning him.NorthofStoke said:
Good suggestion, if he can set himself up as a film director he will be beyond the reach of US law.StuartDickson said:
No way he will be allowed to stand beside her at the jubilee. He’d be better off emigrating. How about Paris?Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
She is a French citizen.
She had the opportunity, and also a (maybe) role model.0 -
The Metropolitan Police are already being taken to court by @GoodLawProject who argue that the police’s decision not to investigate any of the parties is unlawful. A judicial review has been launched. It will be fascinating to see what the judge concludes.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/14816799048528732180 -
The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince
https://twitter.com/LiamThorpECHO/status/14816786913693737021 -
The fish rots from the head. It seems being half cut is the only way to tolerate working at number 10. I can understand that.Alistair said:
Am I the only one a little bit concerned with how much boozing was going on in the nerve centre of the country?rottenborough said:Seb Payne on the Gray report: "Expectations are very high but she is unlikely to apportion direct blame, focusing instead on a “drinking culture” "
So it will be about the culture. How the culture went wrong. No one individual, but a system etc etc.
Pass me the sick bucket.1 -
This also piles huge additional pressure on Sue Gray. Not only must she now rule on whether staff behaved inappropriately in Downing Street, but she will know her conclusion will be the sole basis for whether or not her colleagues are potentially convicted of a crime.
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Sounds wrong. But Sue would have to stop and wait for them, delaying from end of next week till who knows when?Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
Full statement 👇 https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481678636096892929/photo/10 -
Or the -30% of BJ..HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
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No special insight there. Sensible to hold off for a couple of weeks which may bring a damning Gray report and/or fresh goodies from Dom's word hoard, and not run the risk of a messy Gray whitewash.Scott_xP said:Rishi Sunak will hold back from trying to bring Boris Johnson down – for now @indypremium https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/rishi-sunak-will-hold-back-from-trying-to-bring-boris-johnson-down-for-now-b1992440.html
This is rather good:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-liz-truss-jeremy-hunt-b1990694.html
"At the moment, your [a red wall mp's] smirking, fun-loving, idle, self-indulgent, hypocritical, useless, mendacious leader is doing his utmost to lose you your lovely job.
...
Liz Truss is very on-trend at the moment, but only because she’s whatever any given Tory MP would like her to be. It’s difficult to think of any single achievement she has to her name for her years as a minister, passing through Defra, Justice and International Trade with nothing more to her name than an excruciating speech about cheese.
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Sunak is a bit awkward and geeky, and so loaded he is out of touch with the merely rich."
I think it's Sunak. The fizzy Truss fun loving lightweight look is disastrous.
Mind you wtf were they thinking giving a vote to the membership? Here's a lovely bloke on conhome today
"So, if BJ is to go, who exactly should we support instead and what policy lines are going to generate votes from the electorate? The person has to appeal to prevailing popular sentiment - zeal for change? Safety first? My personal priorities are to keep out of the EU; get rid of the hate crime laws, and reduce immigration to an insignificant trickle."
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Plod are trying to stay out of this.ping said:
FarcicalScott_xP said:BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
Full statement 👇 https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481678636096892929/photo/1
The law must be for all.
Why the hell is it ok for police to fine people like this;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-59986522
???
Ridiculous.
Some have suggested that Johnson wants them in, so that a long, long investigation can lose all the evidence.
Plod are well aware that no-one loves them in politics anymore and staying well to the back is probably the smart move.0 -
HYUFD's using a UK figure. You'd need to use a European figure for Mr J for a true comparison.Theuniondivvie said:
Or the -30% of BJ..HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
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We’re not going to get any of that.kinabalu said:
The big thing about Sue Gray, if I've heard this once this last few days I've heard it a thousand times, is that she goes about her job "without fear or favour". Which sounds terrific. This Report of hers needs to be pretty devastating to live up to the expectations I've (perhaps foolishly) allowed myself to develop. How it might not be is if it sticks too much to de-blooded mundane facts. We want the facts, yes, but we also want some editorial so long as it flows with irrefutable logic from those facts. I think it might shy away from that. But we'll see. I certainly haven't looked forward to a report from the civil service so much for ages.IshmaelZ said:
Link from a comment on that thread, in depth description of Sue Gray from 2015rottenborough said:Jonathan Powell
@jnpowell1
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3h
5. Lastly I was in No 10 for ten years and we didn’t have as many staff parties in a decade as they appear to have had in a few months. When on earth did they find time to do any work?
She sounds like a less user friendly Rosa Klebb, and the last person I'd want investigating me. Effectively did for Fox and Mitchell apparently
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580
We’re just going to get a recantation of the facts, most of which we already know.
There may be some extra events in the list, which so far haven’t been revealed.
The only smoking gun is whether Reynolds - who is surely toast whatever happens - is prepared to say that the PM suggested or authorised the event and approved the email sending out the hundred invitations.
If Reynolds is willing to go quietly, then all we’ll have is the same argument resumed that began yesterday. The key, for the PM, will be what view his MPs have settled upon in the light of their postbag, their time in their constituencies this weekend, and the next batch of opinion polls.3 -
Queenie knifed her favourite son to protect the FLSOJ?Scott_xP said:I hesitate to say this for fear of what my mentions will look like, but was chatting to an MP this morning who said one of the ways that the heat eases on the PM is that other big stories develop (and this person explicitly mentioned Prince Andrew) & attention shifts somewhat.
https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1481679394116706314
Why?0 -
What are the likely Tory losses in the locals in May? What can we predict?StuartDickson said:
Detoxified? Ho ho. We’ll see how the detoxification process is going in May.Burgessian said:
I think she feels fine, and pleased that Douglas Ross managed to consolidate the position by hanging on to 31 MSPs in May. Managing to detoxify the Tory brand in Scotland to the extent she did was a significant achievement, whatever Stuart says.Foxy said:
Without her in 2017, I don't think that the Tories would have had enough Scottish seats to form a government.StuartDickson said:
The Ruth Was Fantastic myth is one of the biggest oddities of the last decade.Alistair said:
She took over in 2011!Burgessian said:
They got 13 MPs in 2017 after Ruth had had time to turn the party round. Since devolution she is one of only two Scottish politicians with the dynamism and personality to make the political weather. The other was Alex Salmond.HYUFD said:
Ruth was also leader of the SCons in 2015 when the Tories got 1 MP, they still now have 6 with Boris as UK PM.StuartDickson said:
You’re going to incur the wrath of Ruth. Better put your helmet on.HYUFD said:
In FPTP terms Scottish Conservatives also won only 6 MPs in 2019 while UK Tories won 365 MPs under Boris. They are only a small wing of the party and largely irrelevant to the party and Union unless they manage to deny the SNP a majority at Holyrood, which they have still failed to do.Burgessian said:
Uninformed comment. In Scotland we have multi-member wards with transferable votes. In practice, it makes it almost impossible for any party to win a majority on a Scottish Council. If FPTP had applied, as in England, the Scots Tories would certainly have won a very handsome majority on Aberdeenshire Council in 2017 when the council was last contested.HYUFD said:
Epping Forest was NOC in the early 2000s and late 1990s, we do not consider we controlled the council then only now as we have a Conservative majority.RochdalePioneers said:
Could call Andy Kille in the Council Leader's office at the council office (which interestingly is in Aberdeen city - another council's area...) and tell him that although he runs the council he really doesn't and there is nothing to save.StuartDickson said:
“ the Conservatives control no council in Scotland”HYUFD said:
And my original comment was the Conservatives control no council in Scotland, which is correct. Not a single council in Scotland has a Conservative majority of its councillorskjh said:
He didn't say it was. He referred to him as council leader. No idea if that is accurate, but he never said it was majority controlled.HYUFD said:
Aberdeenshire is NOC not Conservative majority controlledRochdalePioneers said:I am energised and excited that HYUFD is supporting the campaign to remove Conservative councillors here in Scotland. I would like to invite him to come leaflet with me in Fraserburgh to unseat Aberdeenshire Council leader Andy Kille, who's leadership he describes as "nothing to save".
I think that "Nothing to Save" is a fine election slogan when you run a council.
Have you informed Douglas Ross?
I thought JRM was spectacularly tone-deaf last night. But compared to HY...
If SCons consider NOC a Tory majority no wonder they fail to win more
They do not dictate who leads the UK party
So Ruth should stop whinging about Boris, he did better for the SCons than Cameron did at Westminster
She lead the party to worst ever local council elections, worst ever Euro elections and then worst by vote share General Election result (only missing absolute worst ever by a few hundred votes in DCT for Mundell to cling on).
She only started making progress in 2016 when she adopted her defeated leadership opponent Murdo Fraser's idea to get rid of the Conservative branding in Scotland(combined with Labour shooting themselves in the head during the IndyRef campaign).
I wonder how she feels about that now.0 -
Aren't you forgetting that we are likely to be hearing about yet another party in a few days time?IanB2 said:
We’re not going to get any of that.kinabalu said:
The big thing about Sue Gray, if I've heard this once this last few days I've heard it a thousand times, is that she goes about her job "without fear or favour". Which sounds terrific. This Report of hers needs to be pretty devastating to live up to the expectations I've (perhaps foolishly) allowed myself to develop. How it might not be is if it sticks too much to de-blooded mundane facts. We want the facts, yes, but we also want some editorial so long as it flows with irrefutable logic from those facts. I think it might shy away from that. But we'll see. I certainly haven't looked forward to a report from the civil service so much for ages.IshmaelZ said:
Link from a comment on that thread, in depth description of Sue Gray from 2015rottenborough said:Jonathan Powell
@jnpowell1
·
3h
5. Lastly I was in No 10 for ten years and we didn’t have as many staff parties in a decade as they appear to have had in a few months. When on earth did they find time to do any work?
She sounds like a less user friendly Rosa Klebb, and the last person I'd want investigating me. Effectively did for Fox and Mitchell apparently
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580
We’re just going to get a recantation of the facts, most of which we already know.
There may be some extra events in the list, which so far haven’t been revealed.
The only smoking gun is whether Reynolds - who is surely toast whatever happens - is prepared to say that the PM suggested or authorised the event and approved the email sending out the hundred invitations.
If Reynolds is willing to go quietly, then all we’ll have is the same argument resumed that began yesterday. The key, for the PM, will be what view his MPs have settled upon in the light of their postbag, their time in their constituencies this weekend, and the next batch of opinion polls.
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Analysis: Boris Johnson has “got a hill and a mountain” to climb to survive as Prime Minister, explained a Tory MP.... https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-prime-minister-partygate-downing-street-b976602.html1
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How much credibility do you think the Gray report will carry HY, considering it is not independent?HYUFD said:
So he is following the David Miliband line pre 2010 then of holding off from trying to bring down Gordon BrownScott_xP said:Rishi Sunak will hold back from trying to bring Boris Johnson down – for now @indypremium https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/rishi-sunak-will-hold-back-from-trying-to-bring-boris-johnson-down-for-now-b1992440.html
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I think I am right in saying that the Duke of Marlborough and Lord Brocket couldn't have their honours forfeited as their honours were inherited rather than awarded (i.e. hereditary rather than life honours).HYUFD said:
He is no longer a working royal or with a royal title and only 9th in the line of succession.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
Removing his non royal title however does not follow precedent, even some convicted criminals have kept their titles eg the current Duke of Marlborough or Lord Brocket, who both did their time and are now back in society with their titles still
I believe the remit of the Honours Forfeiture Committee only extends to whether information has come to light since award which means the honour shouldn't have been awarded and forfeiture is needed to secure the integrity of the honours system. But nothing the present Duke of Marlborough has done calls into question the decision by Queen Anne or whoever it was in respect of the 1st Duke (I mean, you can argue hereditary titles are completely unjustifiable but that's a general point, creates a bit of a problem for the monarchy, and would require legislation to change).3 -
Johnson is -30, so my point stands.HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
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They will certainly be less than 2019 given fewer seats are up and Labour already hold most of the council seats that will be up, unlike in 2019 when most councillors up were ToryNickyBreakspear said:
What are the likely Tory losses in the locals in May? What can we predict?StuartDickson said:
Detoxified? Ho ho. We’ll see how the detoxification process is going in May.Burgessian said:
I think she feels fine, and pleased that Douglas Ross managed to consolidate the position by hanging on to 31 MSPs in May. Managing to detoxify the Tory brand in Scotland to the extent she did was a significant achievement, whatever Stuart says.Foxy said:
Without her in 2017, I don't think that the Tories would have had enough Scottish seats to form a government.StuartDickson said:
The Ruth Was Fantastic myth is one of the biggest oddities of the last decade.Alistair said:
She took over in 2011!Burgessian said:
They got 13 MPs in 2017 after Ruth had had time to turn the party round. Since devolution she is one of only two Scottish politicians with the dynamism and personality to make the political weather. The other was Alex Salmond.HYUFD said:
Ruth was also leader of the SCons in 2015 when the Tories got 1 MP, they still now have 6 with Boris as UK PM.StuartDickson said:
You’re going to incur the wrath of Ruth. Better put your helmet on.HYUFD said:
In FPTP terms Scottish Conservatives also won only 6 MPs in 2019 while UK Tories won 365 MPs under Boris. They are only a small wing of the party and largely irrelevant to the party and Union unless they manage to deny the SNP a majority at Holyrood, which they have still failed to do.Burgessian said:
Uninformed comment. In Scotland we have multi-member wards with transferable votes. In practice, it makes it almost impossible for any party to win a majority on a Scottish Council. If FPTP had applied, as in England, the Scots Tories would certainly have won a very handsome majority on Aberdeenshire Council in 2017 when the council was last contested.HYUFD said:
Epping Forest was NOC in the early 2000s and late 1990s, we do not consider we controlled the council then only now as we have a Conservative majority.RochdalePioneers said:
Could call Andy Kille in the Council Leader's office at the council office (which interestingly is in Aberdeen city - another council's area...) and tell him that although he runs the council he really doesn't and there is nothing to save.StuartDickson said:
“ the Conservatives control no council in Scotland”HYUFD said:
And my original comment was the Conservatives control no council in Scotland, which is correct. Not a single council in Scotland has a Conservative majority of its councillorskjh said:
He didn't say it was. He referred to him as council leader. No idea if that is accurate, but he never said it was majority controlled.HYUFD said:
Aberdeenshire is NOC not Conservative majority controlledRochdalePioneers said:I am energised and excited that HYUFD is supporting the campaign to remove Conservative councillors here in Scotland. I would like to invite him to come leaflet with me in Fraserburgh to unseat Aberdeenshire Council leader Andy Kille, who's leadership he describes as "nothing to save".
I think that "Nothing to Save" is a fine election slogan when you run a council.
Have you informed Douglas Ross?
I thought JRM was spectacularly tone-deaf last night. But compared to HY...
If SCons consider NOC a Tory majority no wonder they fail to win more
They do not dictate who leads the UK party
So Ruth should stop whinging about Boris, he did better for the SCons than Cameron did at Westminster
She lead the party to worst ever local council elections, worst ever Euro elections and then worst by vote share General Election result (only missing absolute worst ever by a few hundred votes in DCT for Mundell to cling on).
She only started making progress in 2016 when she adopted her defeated leadership opponent Murdo Fraser's idea to get rid of the Conservative branding in Scotland(combined with Labour shooting themselves in the head during the IndyRef campaign).
I wonder how she feels about that now.0 -
The Met are so incompetent that they make Michael Masi look like the epitome of fairness and competence.0
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The Queen is bound to act on the advice of her ministers. Constitutional Monarchy, innit?IshmaelZ said:
Queenie knifed her favourite son to protect the FLSOJ?Scott_xP said:I hesitate to say this for fear of what my mentions will look like, but was chatting to an MP this morning who said one of the ways that the heat eases on the PM is that other big stories develop (and this person explicitly mentioned Prince Andrew) & attention shifts somewhat.
https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1481679394116706314
Why?0 -
Tough day for Boris' credibility. Now even the Met don't believe that he was telling the truth yesterday when he said he went to a party.5
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It's somewhat plausible to me that a government intermediary between MI5 and McFall could have brought that alert forward ahead of time, but that seems another step less likely with the Andrew story.Scott_xP said:I hesitate to say this for fear of what my mentions will look like, but was chatting to an MP this morning who said one of the ways that the heat eases on the PM is that other big stories develop (and this person explicitly mentioned Prince Andrew) & attention shifts somewhat.
https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1481679394116706314
Boris survives for a new day with a few sighs of relief, and I suspect we're into that long cycle discussed, where every time it looks like there's a slight recovery in the polls, as there may be again in a week or two, another leak will be handed to the press.0 -
The small tendrils of recovery by the SCons in Glasgow may be brutally blighted, SLab the possible beneficiary (could be replicated across Scotland).NickyBreakspear said:
What are the likely Tory losses in the locals in May? What can we predict?StuartDickson said:
Detoxified? Ho ho. We’ll see how the detoxification process is going in May.Burgessian said:
I think she feels fine, and pleased that Douglas Ross managed to consolidate the position by hanging on to 31 MSPs in May. Managing to detoxify the Tory brand in Scotland to the extent she did was a significant achievement, whatever Stuart says.Foxy said:
Without her in 2017, I don't think that the Tories would have had enough Scottish seats to form a government.StuartDickson said:
The Ruth Was Fantastic myth is one of the biggest oddities of the last decade.Alistair said:
She took over in 2011!Burgessian said:
They got 13 MPs in 2017 after Ruth had had time to turn the party round. Since devolution she is one of only two Scottish politicians with the dynamism and personality to make the political weather. The other was Alex Salmond.HYUFD said:
Ruth was also leader of the SCons in 2015 when the Tories got 1 MP, they still now have 6 with Boris as UK PM.StuartDickson said:
You’re going to incur the wrath of Ruth. Better put your helmet on.HYUFD said:
In FPTP terms Scottish Conservatives also won only 6 MPs in 2019 while UK Tories won 365 MPs under Boris. They are only a small wing of the party and largely irrelevant to the party and Union unless they manage to deny the SNP a majority at Holyrood, which they have still failed to do.Burgessian said:
Uninformed comment. In Scotland we have multi-member wards with transferable votes. In practice, it makes it almost impossible for any party to win a majority on a Scottish Council. If FPTP had applied, as in England, the Scots Tories would certainly have won a very handsome majority on Aberdeenshire Council in 2017 when the council was last contested.HYUFD said:
Epping Forest was NOC in the early 2000s and late 1990s, we do not consider we controlled the council then only now as we have a Conservative majority.RochdalePioneers said:
Could call Andy Kille in the Council Leader's office at the council office (which interestingly is in Aberdeen city - another council's area...) and tell him that although he runs the council he really doesn't and there is nothing to save.StuartDickson said:
“ the Conservatives control no council in Scotland”HYUFD said:
And my original comment was the Conservatives control no council in Scotland, which is correct. Not a single council in Scotland has a Conservative majority of its councillorskjh said:
He didn't say it was. He referred to him as council leader. No idea if that is accurate, but he never said it was majority controlled.HYUFD said:
Aberdeenshire is NOC not Conservative majority controlledRochdalePioneers said:I am energised and excited that HYUFD is supporting the campaign to remove Conservative councillors here in Scotland. I would like to invite him to come leaflet with me in Fraserburgh to unseat Aberdeenshire Council leader Andy Kille, who's leadership he describes as "nothing to save".
I think that "Nothing to Save" is a fine election slogan when you run a council.
Have you informed Douglas Ross?
I thought JRM was spectacularly tone-deaf last night. But compared to HY...
If SCons consider NOC a Tory majority no wonder they fail to win more
They do not dictate who leads the UK party
So Ruth should stop whinging about Boris, he did better for the SCons than Cameron did at Westminster
She lead the party to worst ever local council elections, worst ever Euro elections and then worst by vote share General Election result (only missing absolute worst ever by a few hundred votes in DCT for Mundell to cling on).
She only started making progress in 2016 when she adopted her defeated leadership opponent Murdo Fraser's idea to get rid of the Conservative branding in Scotland(combined with Labour shooting themselves in the head during the IndyRef campaign).
I wonder how she feels about that now.0 -
The position of Duke of York is also arguably hereditary, every holder of the title has been one of Andrew's distant ancestors.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I think I am right in saying that the Duke of Marlborough and Lord Brocket couldn't have their honours forfeited as their honours were inherited rather than awarded (i.e. hereditary rather than life honours).HYUFD said:
He is no longer a working royal or with a royal title and only 9th in the line of succession.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
Removing his non royal title however does not follow precedent, even some convicted criminals have kept their titles eg the current Duke of Marlborough or Lord Brocket, who both did their time and are now back in society with their titles still
I believe the remit of the Honours Forfeiture Committee only extends to whether information has come to light since award which means the honour shouldn't have been awarded and forfeiture is needed to secure the integrity of the honours system. But nothing the present Duke of Marlborough has done calls into question the decision by Queen Anne or whoever it was in respect of the 1st Duke (I mean, you can argue hereditary titles are completely unjustifiable but that's a general point, creates a bit of a problem for the monarchy, and would require legislation to change).
The Duke of York was created as a hereditary title for a non firstborn son of the monarch eg the 1st Duke of York, Edmund Langley, was son of King Edward IIIrd0 -
Another tactless proposal on the Rees-Mogg scale of tactlessness:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/13/plans-for-51-storey-london-tower-with-just-one-staircase-put-on-hold
"On Thursday evening Ballymore had planned to seek approval for one of the UK’s tallest residential buildings close to Canary Wharf in east London, but withdrew its application after fire safety experts branded as “madness” its plan to build more than 400 flats in a tower two-and-a-half times the height of Grenfell with just one staircase."0 -
On here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/MattW said:
Where does this alleged 300+ number come from?TimS said:
The recent rise in deaths does look too rapid and lacking in medical logic. A number of people have pointed out that prevalence rates in the community mean that the incidental "with Covid" rates would be expected to be high. On a population wide basis if 5-10% of people had it at any one time then 5-10% of total deaths (of a few thousand) would be around 50-100 per day I think.Pulpstar said:
Case rate amongst 90+ in England peaked on Jan 4th, so I'd expect deaths by specimen to peak around 18th. There's the eternal backfilling too so reported deaths could stay high for a while.TheWhiteRabbit said:Big fall in cases, even allowing for Scottish LFTs.
Hospital admissions + number flat.
Deaths remain a concern but should follow suit.
But that still doesn't explain 300+. Either it's true Omicron mortality, but the ICU stats give the lie to that, or it's:
- Christmas backfilling (but that would imply Delta deaths in December were higher than we thought, which in hindsight is bad news), or
- Prevalence in hospitals and care homes significantly higher than the UK average. Possible, especially in hospitals - though no hard evidence of that
I have yet to see it on the Coronavirus Dashboard.
335 reported today, similar amount the last couple of days (not just catch up Tuesday).
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Oh, so you think that the Royal Family have engaged in repeated adultery and incest over the centuries?HYUFD said:
The position of Duke of York is also arguably hereditary, every holder of the title has been one of Andrew's distant ancestors.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I think I am right in saying that the Duke of Marlborough and Lord Brocket couldn't have their honours forfeited as their honours were inherited rather than awarded (i.e. hereditary rather than life honours).HYUFD said:
He is no longer a working royal or with a royal title and only 9th in the line of succession.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
Removing his non royal title however does not follow precedent, even some convicted criminals have kept their titles eg the current Duke of Marlborough or Lord Brocket, who both did their time and are now back in society with their titles still
I believe the remit of the Honours Forfeiture Committee only extends to whether information has come to light since award which means the honour shouldn't have been awarded and forfeiture is needed to secure the integrity of the honours system. But nothing the present Duke of Marlborough has done calls into question the decision by Queen Anne or whoever it was in respect of the 1st Duke (I mean, you can argue hereditary titles are completely unjustifiable but that's a general point, creates a bit of a problem for the monarchy, and would require legislation to change).0 -
The twitter account https://twitter.com/ballymorehell Ballymore Hell is worth a look.Carnyx said:Another tactless proposal on the Rees-Mogg scale of tactlessness:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/13/plans-for-51-storey-london-tower-with-just-one-staircase-put-on-hold
"On Thursday evening Ballymore had planned to seek approval for one of the UK’s tallest residential buildings close to Canary Wharf in east London, but withdrew its application after fire safety experts branded as “madness” its plan to build more than 400 flats in a tower two-and-a-half times the height of Grenfell with just one staircase."
https://twitter.com/Ballymore_ruin/status/1405596191233130496
You'd have to be nuts to buy one of their flats.1 -
The dukedom he holds is hereditary, but he is the first holder. It's the eighth Dukedom of York.HYUFD said:
The position of Duke of York is also arguably hereditary, every holder of the title has been one of Andrew's distant ancestors.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I think I am right in saying that the Duke of Marlborough and Lord Brocket couldn't have their honours forfeited as their honours were inherited rather than awarded (i.e. hereditary rather than life honours).HYUFD said:
He is no longer a working royal or with a royal title and only 9th in the line of succession.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
Removing his non royal title however does not follow precedent, even some convicted criminals have kept their titles eg the current Duke of Marlborough or Lord Brocket, who both did their time and are now back in society with their titles still
I believe the remit of the Honours Forfeiture Committee only extends to whether information has come to light since award which means the honour shouldn't have been awarded and forfeiture is needed to secure the integrity of the honours system. But nothing the present Duke of Marlborough has done calls into question the decision by Queen Anne or whoever it was in respect of the 1st Duke (I mean, you can argue hereditary titles are completely unjustifiable but that's a general point, creates a bit of a problem for the monarchy, and would require legislation to change).2 -
I think on this issue she could and would tell them to get fcked. I really doubt this is driven by anything other than the progress of the litigationLostPassword said:
The Queen is bound to act on the advice of her ministers. Constitutional Monarchy, innit?IshmaelZ said:
Queenie knifed her favourite son to protect the FLSOJ?Scott_xP said:I hesitate to say this for fear of what my mentions will look like, but was chatting to an MP this morning who said one of the ways that the heat eases on the PM is that other big stories develop (and this person explicitly mentioned Prince Andrew) & attention shifts somewhat.
https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1481679394116706314
Why?
Timing of London Bridge is also relevant. I suspect Chas n baldy loathe Andrew anyway, and certainly don't want to inherit him as an ongoing problem at the start of a new reign
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UPDATE: And here is a fresh letter tonight from @GoodLawProject to Met Police saying they believe the decision not to investigate the 20th May garden party in particular is clearly unlawful, given the significant evidence provided by the leaked email and the PM’s admission. https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481683757325336579/photo/10
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That is libellous. On Michal MasiTheScreamingEagles said:The Met are so incompetent that they make Michael Masi look like the epitome of fairness and competence.
The Met are so incompetent that they couldn't catch the Piranha Brothers.. Or Spiny Norman for that matter...
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Do you happen to have a link to an example of such a report?Malmesbury said:
Someone is using reporting day numbers.. Someone is being naughty {kicks the cage of flying lawyers with baseball bats}MattW said:
Where does this alleged 300+ number come from?TimS said:
The recent rise in deaths does look too rapid and lacking in medical logic. A number of people have pointed out that prevalence rates in the community mean that the incidental "with Covid" rates would be expected to be high. On a population wide basis if 5-10% of people had it at any one time then 5-10% of total deaths (of a few thousand) would be around 50-100 per day I think.Pulpstar said:
Case rate amongst 90+ in England peaked on Jan 4th, so I'd expect deaths by specimen to peak around 18th. There's the eternal backfilling too so reported deaths could stay high for a while.TheWhiteRabbit said:Big fall in cases, even allowing for Scottish LFTs.
Hospital admissions + number flat.
Deaths remain a concern but should follow suit.
But that still doesn't explain 300+. Either it's true Omicron mortality, but the ICU stats give the lie to that, or it's:
- Christmas backfilling (but that would imply Delta deaths in December were higher than we thought, which in hindsight is bad news), or
- Prevalence in hospitals and care homes significantly higher than the UK average. Possible, especially in hospitals - though no hard evidence of that
I have yet to see it on the Coronavirus Dashboard.
Actual numbers...0 -
Did someone say yesterday BoZo admitted to being at the party in the Commons so it is under Parliamentary privilege and therefore inadmissible?0
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In 2018 the national vote shares were estimated at 35% for both Tory and Labour - thus who leads this time will be an indication as to the swing between the parties - with the LibDems on a relatively high 16%.NickyBreakspear said:
What are the likely Tory losses in the locals in May? What can we predict?StuartDickson said:
Detoxified? Ho ho. We’ll see how the detoxification process is going in May.Burgessian said:
I think she feels fine, and pleased that Douglas Ross managed to consolidate the position by hanging on to 31 MSPs in May. Managing to detoxify the Tory brand in Scotland to the extent she did was a significant achievement, whatever Stuart says.Foxy said:
Without her in 2017, I don't think that the Tories would have had enough Scottish seats to form a government.StuartDickson said:
The Ruth Was Fantastic myth is one of the biggest oddities of the last decade.Alistair said:
She took over in 2011!Burgessian said:
They got 13 MPs in 2017 after Ruth had had time to turn the party round. Since devolution she is one of only two Scottish politicians with the dynamism and personality to make the political weather. The other was Alex Salmond.HYUFD said:
Ruth was also leader of the SCons in 2015 when the Tories got 1 MP, they still now have 6 with Boris as UK PM.StuartDickson said:
You’re going to incur the wrath of Ruth. Better put your helmet on.HYUFD said:
In FPTP terms Scottish Conservatives also won only 6 MPs in 2019 while UK Tories won 365 MPs under Boris. They are only a small wing of the party and largely irrelevant to the party and Union unless they manage to deny the SNP a majority at Holyrood, which they have still failed to do.Burgessian said:
Uninformed comment. In Scotland we have multi-member wards with transferable votes. In practice, it makes it almost impossible for any party to win a majority on a Scottish Council. If FPTP had applied, as in England, the Scots Tories would certainly have won a very handsome majority on Aberdeenshire Council in 2017 when the council was last contested.HYUFD said:
Epping Forest was NOC in the early 2000s and late 1990s, we do not consider we controlled the council then only now as we have a Conservative majority.RochdalePioneers said:
Could call Andy Kille in the Council Leader's office at the council office (which interestingly is in Aberdeen city - another council's area...) and tell him that although he runs the council he really doesn't and there is nothing to save.StuartDickson said:
“ the Conservatives control no council in Scotland”HYUFD said:
And my original comment was the Conservatives control no council in Scotland, which is correct. Not a single council in Scotland has a Conservative majority of its councillorskjh said:
He didn't say it was. He referred to him as council leader. No idea if that is accurate, but he never said it was majority controlled.HYUFD said:
Aberdeenshire is NOC not Conservative majority controlledRochdalePioneers said:I am energised and excited that HYUFD is supporting the campaign to remove Conservative councillors here in Scotland. I would like to invite him to come leaflet with me in Fraserburgh to unseat Aberdeenshire Council leader Andy Kille, who's leadership he describes as "nothing to save".
I think that "Nothing to Save" is a fine election slogan when you run a council.
Have you informed Douglas Ross?
I thought JRM was spectacularly tone-deaf last night. But compared to HY...
If SCons consider NOC a Tory majority no wonder they fail to win more
They do not dictate who leads the UK party
So Ruth should stop whinging about Boris, he did better for the SCons than Cameron did at Westminster
She lead the party to worst ever local council elections, worst ever Euro elections and then worst by vote share General Election result (only missing absolute worst ever by a few hundred votes in DCT for Mundell to cling on).
She only started making progress in 2016 when she adopted her defeated leadership opponent Murdo Fraser's idea to get rid of the Conservative branding in Scotland(combined with Labour shooting themselves in the head during the IndyRef campaign).
I wonder how she feels about that now.
Labour is defending the most councillors and councils, because this year’s cycle is oriented towards urban areas, in most of which you’d expect them to be safe given recent polling.
In London, the Tories might be vulnerable in Barnet, but it will take a big swing to unseat them elsewhere. It’ll be interesting to see what ground the LibDems recover against Labour in the inner Boroughs.
Elsewhere, in terms of councils there isn’t that much for the Tories to lose. Peterborough is a possibility if the results are really bad. Swing areas like Thurrock and Swindon might throw up interesting results, and the LibDems might benefit from a Tory collapse in Portsmouth.
But it is hard to see much dramatic news arising even from a bad poll for the Tories - their opposition groups in many Labour controlled councils may well return reduced in size, but this is hardly headline news.0 -
The country has become some sort of knock off of “The Office”. Everything is being done by someone called Sue.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
Full statement 👇 https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481678636096892929/photo/13 -
When you’re benchmarking her against Johnson, effectively saying ‘at least she’s better than Johnson, thats pretty desperate stuff.StuartDickson said:
Johnson is -30, so my point stands.HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson1 -
Cos of 5G! And vaccine!!IshmaelZ said:
Queenie knifed her favourite son to protect the FLSOJ?Scott_xP said:I hesitate to say this for fear of what my mentions will look like, but was chatting to an MP this morning who said one of the ways that the heat eases on the PM is that other big stories develop (and this person explicitly mentioned Prince Andrew) & attention shifts somewhat.
https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1481679394116706314
Why?
No doubt the illuminati and New World Order will be along shortly.....
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It was in The Times.Scott_xP said:Did someone say yesterday BoZo admitted to being at the party in the Commons so it is under Parliamentary privilege and therefore inadmissible?
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Sincere condolences to those currently putting together 1800 news programmes. I mean, what are the odds that in one day we hear the PM cannot possibly appear in front of a camera, that Chinese spies previously reported on are again a big concern, Prince Andrew no longer gets the honour of being toasted by large chunks of the armed forces and is now apparently a private citizen (living in his mum’s castle), AND that the Met still appears to have the same Chief Commissioner.
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/14816845223620935721 -
What are the likely Tory losses in the locals in May? What can we predict?
The small tendrils of recovery by the SCons in Glasgow may be brutally blighted, SLab the possible beneficiary (could be replicated across Scotland).
Yes, I think that's right, the Tories will lose out mainly to the benefit of SLab in Glasgow etc. That said I think the Tories might still hold up where they're strong like in Aberdeenshire.0 -
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A quick look suggests that, if losses were as bad numerically as in 2019. the Tories would get precisely two councillors elected in May! It's not exactly that as the seats up this year aren't exactly the same as in 2018 due to reorganisations etc, but the 2019 round just had a lot of wards up (many of them tiny wards but still).HYUFD said:
They will certainly be less than 2019 given fewer seats are up and Labour already hold most of the council seats that will be up, unlike in 2019 when most councillors up were ToryNickyBreakspear said:
What are the likely Tory losses in the locals in May? What can we predict?StuartDickson said:
Detoxified? Ho ho. We’ll see how the detoxification process is going in May.Burgessian said:
I think she feels fine, and pleased that Douglas Ross managed to consolidate the position by hanging on to 31 MSPs in May. Managing to detoxify the Tory brand in Scotland to the extent she did was a significant achievement, whatever Stuart says.Foxy said:
Without her in 2017, I don't think that the Tories would have had enough Scottish seats to form a government.StuartDickson said:
The Ruth Was Fantastic myth is one of the biggest oddities of the last decade.Alistair said:
She took over in 2011!Burgessian said:
They got 13 MPs in 2017 after Ruth had had time to turn the party round. Since devolution she is one of only two Scottish politicians with the dynamism and personality to make the political weather. The other was Alex Salmond.HYUFD said:
Ruth was also leader of the SCons in 2015 when the Tories got 1 MP, they still now have 6 with Boris as UK PM.StuartDickson said:
You’re going to incur the wrath of Ruth. Better put your helmet on.HYUFD said:
In FPTP terms Scottish Conservatives also won only 6 MPs in 2019 while UK Tories won 365 MPs under Boris. They are only a small wing of the party and largely irrelevant to the party and Union unless they manage to deny the SNP a majority at Holyrood, which they have still failed to do.Burgessian said:
Uninformed comment. In Scotland we have multi-member wards with transferable votes. In practice, it makes it almost impossible for any party to win a majority on a Scottish Council. If FPTP had applied, as in England, the Scots Tories would certainly have won a very handsome majority on Aberdeenshire Council in 2017 when the council was last contested.HYUFD said:
Epping Forest was NOC in the early 2000s and late 1990s, we do not consider we controlled the council then only now as we have a Conservative majority.RochdalePioneers said:
Could call Andy Kille in the Council Leader's office at the council office (which interestingly is in Aberdeen city - another council's area...) and tell him that although he runs the council he really doesn't and there is nothing to save.StuartDickson said:
“ the Conservatives control no council in Scotland”HYUFD said:
And my original comment was the Conservatives control no council in Scotland, which is correct. Not a single council in Scotland has a Conservative majority of its councillorskjh said:
He didn't say it was. He referred to him as council leader. No idea if that is accurate, but he never said it was majority controlled.HYUFD said:
Aberdeenshire is NOC not Conservative majority controlledRochdalePioneers said:I am energised and excited that HYUFD is supporting the campaign to remove Conservative councillors here in Scotland. I would like to invite him to come leaflet with me in Fraserburgh to unseat Aberdeenshire Council leader Andy Kille, who's leadership he describes as "nothing to save".
I think that "Nothing to Save" is a fine election slogan when you run a council.
Have you informed Douglas Ross?
I thought JRM was spectacularly tone-deaf last night. But compared to HY...
If SCons consider NOC a Tory majority no wonder they fail to win more
They do not dictate who leads the UK party
So Ruth should stop whinging about Boris, he did better for the SCons than Cameron did at Westminster
She lead the party to worst ever local council elections, worst ever Euro elections and then worst by vote share General Election result (only missing absolute worst ever by a few hundred votes in DCT for Mundell to cling on).
She only started making progress in 2016 when she adopted her defeated leadership opponent Murdo Fraser's idea to get rid of the Conservative branding in Scotland(combined with Labour shooting themselves in the head during the IndyRef campaign).
I wonder how she feels about that now.
May lost around a quarter of Tory councillors up in 2019 (which was a dire year and the base was an excellent year for the blues coinciding with the General Election in 2015). A quarter lost this year would be around 300 but the base is lower as 2018 wasn't a vintage Tory year but okay - basically tied with Labour in % vote.
Sticking my neck on the line, I'm predicting 120 losses. Net gains would be a triumph, losses under 100 would be not great but okay, losses over 150 bad, losses over 200 dire.
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Statement from the Met re: alleged breaches of the Health Protection Regulations at Downing Street and Department for Education. https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1481684932011466753/photo/10
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Blimey. Is Rees-Mogg such a "big figure" that his burblings are even worth discussing?
When he describes someone else as a lightweight, the words "pot" and "kettle" come immediately to mind,2 -
I was at the Luton Town v Wolverhampton Wanderers FA Cup match on 20th February, 1960. At half-time it was announced that the Queen had given birth to another son, Andrew. The crowd (most of whom were already standing) burst into rapturous applause.
Strange to look back on that now.
And for those of you keener on football than royalty, Wolves beat Luton 4-1 - and went on to win the FA Cup in May.
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What's in any of this for Sue Gray? Given how the stakes keep getting ramped up on it...must be tempting to say "fuck this for a game of soldiers".0
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Certainly, there is the question as to what Cummo has left in his box of tricks, and how cleverly he times its release.RobD said:
Aren't you forgetting that we are likely to be hearing about yet another party in a few days time?IanB2 said:
We’re not going to get any of that.kinabalu said:
The big thing about Sue Gray, if I've heard this once this last few days I've heard it a thousand times, is that she goes about her job "without fear or favour". Which sounds terrific. This Report of hers needs to be pretty devastating to live up to the expectations I've (perhaps foolishly) allowed myself to develop. How it might not be is if it sticks too much to de-blooded mundane facts. We want the facts, yes, but we also want some editorial so long as it flows with irrefutable logic from those facts. I think it might shy away from that. But we'll see. I certainly haven't looked forward to a report from the civil service so much for ages.IshmaelZ said:
Link from a comment on that thread, in depth description of Sue Gray from 2015rottenborough said:Jonathan Powell
@jnpowell1
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3h
5. Lastly I was in No 10 for ten years and we didn’t have as many staff parties in a decade as they appear to have had in a few months. When on earth did they find time to do any work?
She sounds like a less user friendly Rosa Klebb, and the last person I'd want investigating me. Effectively did for Fox and Mitchell apparently
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580
We’re just going to get a recantation of the facts, most of which we already know.
There may be some extra events in the list, which so far haven’t been revealed.
The only smoking gun is whether Reynolds - who is surely toast whatever happens - is prepared to say that the PM suggested or authorised the event and approved the email sending out the hundred invitations.
If Reynolds is willing to go quietly, then all we’ll have is the same argument resumed that began yesterday. The key, for the PM, will be what view his MPs have settled upon in the light of their postbag, their time in their constituencies this weekend, and the next batch of opinion polls.0 -
Don't think this really counts as a Scottish thread - there's a link to The National in the thread header for a start.
Catch you all tomorrrow.0 -
Andy is descended from both one of the Princes in the Tower and Prince Fredrick? Pretty radical reinterpretation of English and British history you’ve foisted on us there HYUFD.HYUFD said:
The position of Duke of York is also arguably hereditary, every holder of the title has been one of Andrew's distant ancestors.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I think I am right in saying that the Duke of Marlborough and Lord Brocket couldn't have their honours forfeited as their honours were inherited rather than awarded (i.e. hereditary rather than life honours).HYUFD said:
He is no longer a working royal or with a royal title and only 9th in the line of succession.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
Removing his non royal title however does not follow precedent, even some convicted criminals have kept their titles eg the current Duke of Marlborough or Lord Brocket, who both did their time and are now back in society with their titles still
I believe the remit of the Honours Forfeiture Committee only extends to whether information has come to light since award which means the honour shouldn't have been awarded and forfeiture is needed to secure the integrity of the honours system. But nothing the present Duke of Marlborough has done calls into question the decision by Queen Anne or whoever it was in respect of the 1st Duke (I mean, you can argue hereditary titles are completely unjustifiable but that's a general point, creates a bit of a problem for the monarchy, and would require legislation to change).
The Duke of York was created as a hereditary title for a non firstborn son of the monarch eg the 1st Duke of York, Edmund Langley, was son of King Edward IIIrd
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And ministers were queuing up to explain on broadcast media how he'd apologised sincerely, which could only been true if he'd admitted to doing the thing he'd apologised for, and IIRC one MP even said the event was a party to welcome Boris and Raab back to work.TheScreamingEagles said:
It was in The Times.Scott_xP said:Did someone say yesterday BoZo admitted to being at the party in the Commons so it is under Parliamentary privilege and therefore inadmissible?
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Unfortunately as someone who attends Cabinet (I don't think Leader of the House is a Cabinet position technically), he is not lightweight by virtue of position, even if he should be.Chris said:Blimey. Is Rees-Mogg such a "big figure" that his burblings are even worth discussing?
When he describes someone else as a lightweight, the words "pot" and "kettle" come immediately to mind,0 -
To whoever had the whacky argument that mask-wearing was responsible for a lower birth rate in Japan, because they stopped people finding each other attractive on the bus... "Face masks make people look more attractive, study finds" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/13/face-masks-make-people-look-more-attractive-study-finds0
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Apologised for what? For that you’d have to refer to the inadmissible comment.Polruan said:
And ministers were queuing up to explain on broadcast media how he'd apologised sincerely, which could only been true if he'd admitted to doing the thing he'd apologised for, and IIRC one MP even said the event was a party to welcome Boris and Raab back to work.TheScreamingEagles said:
It was in The Times.Scott_xP said:Did someone say yesterday BoZo admitted to being at the party in the Commons so it is under Parliamentary privilege and therefore inadmissible?
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Yes poor Queenie, what an utterly miserable couple of years and background to the jubilee. Really feel for her. And that photo of her alone at Phil's funeral is why the suggestion about Andrew is nonsense.junius said:I was at the Luton Town v Wolverhampton Wanderers FA Cup match on 20th February, 1960. At half-time it was announced that the Queen had given birth to another son, Andrew. The crowd (most of whom were already standing) burst into rapturous applause.
Strange to look back on that now.
And for those of you keener on football than royalty, Wolves beat Luton 4-1 - and went on to win the FA Cup in May.
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I liked Rishi’s tweet, which started “The PM was right to apologise”3
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Quite disgraceful.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
The Met should have the courtesy to ask Boris Johnson whether he wants a police investigation, and do what he says.2 -
A bit like saying someone is more compassionate than HitlerTaz said:
When you’re benchmarking her against Johnson, effectively saying ‘at least she’s better than Johnson, thats pretty desperate stuff.StuartDickson said:
Johnson is -30, so my point stands.HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson1 -
But we’re talking about her popularity in England. Her party doesn’t even put up candidates in England.Taz said:
When you’re benchmarking her against Johnson, effectively saying ‘at least she’s better than Johnson, thats pretty desperate stuff.StuartDickson said:
Johnson is -30, so my point stands.HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson
It’s pretty unusual for any foreign leader to be more popular than that country’s own head of government. Maybe Obama was more popular than Brown? Probably other, better examples. But still bloody unusual.0 -
TBF she could have reached the same conclusion when she was running a bar in Belfast with her country singer boyfriend.solarflare said:What's in any of this for Sue Gray? Given how the stakes keep getting ramped up on it...must be tempting to say "fuck this for a game of soldiers".
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Is there a figure for Mr J's popularity in the UK + EU?StuartDickson said:
But we’re talking about her popularity in England. Her party doesn’t even put up candidates in England.Taz said:
When you’re benchmarking her against Johnson, effectively saying ‘at least she’s better than Johnson, thats pretty desperate stuff.StuartDickson said:
Johnson is -30, so my point stands.HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson
It’s pretty unusual for any foreign leader to be more popular than that country’s own head of government. Maybe Obama was more popular than Brown? Probably other, better examples. But still bloody unusual.0 -
I bet they have to tie lead weights to his feet to stop him floating round the room.kle4 said:
Unfortunately as someone who attends Cabinet (I don't think Leader of the House is a Cabinet position technically), he is not lightweight by virtue of position, even if he should be.Chris said:Blimey. Is Rees-Mogg such a "big figure" that his burblings are even worth discussing?
When he describes someone else as a lightweight, the words "pot" and "kettle" come immediately to mind,0 -
As his position depends on Johnson's patronage, and as he has absolutely nothing going for him otherwise, he'll be lightweight soon enough when Johnson goes. Hence the desperate if doomed efforts to prop up Johnson.kle4 said:
Unfortunately as someone who attends Cabinet (I don't think Leader of the House is a Cabinet position technically), he is not lightweight by virtue of position, even if he should be.Chris said:Blimey. Is Rees-Mogg such a "big figure" that his burblings are even worth discussing?
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The Princes in the Tower's sister was Henry VII's wife, Henry VIIth's wife was of course related to Andrew via her daughter, Queen Margaret of Scotland.DougSeal said:
Andy is descended from both one of the Princes in the Tower and Prince Fredrick? Pretty radical reinterpretation of English and British history you’ve foisted on us there HYUFD.HYUFD said:
The position of Duke of York is also arguably hereditary, every holder of the title has been one of Andrew's distant ancestors.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I think I am right in saying that the Duke of Marlborough and Lord Brocket couldn't have their honours forfeited as their honours were inherited rather than awarded (i.e. hereditary rather than life honours).HYUFD said:
He is no longer a working royal or with a royal title and only 9th in the line of succession.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
Removing his non royal title however does not follow precedent, even some convicted criminals have kept their titles eg the current Duke of Marlborough or Lord Brocket, who both did their time and are now back in society with their titles still
I believe the remit of the Honours Forfeiture Committee only extends to whether information has come to light since award which means the honour shouldn't have been awarded and forfeiture is needed to secure the integrity of the honours system. But nothing the present Duke of Marlborough has done calls into question the decision by Queen Anne or whoever it was in respect of the 1st Duke (I mean, you can argue hereditary titles are completely unjustifiable but that's a general point, creates a bit of a problem for the monarchy, and would require legislation to change).
The Duke of York was created as a hereditary title for a non firstborn son of the monarch eg the 1st Duke of York, Edmund Langley, was son of King Edward IIIrd
Prince Frederick was Queen Victoria's uncle, thus also related to Andrew0 -
TBF, he loved his dog.Nigel_Foremain said:
A bit like saying someone is more compassionate than HitlerTaz said:
When you’re benchmarking her against Johnson, effectively saying ‘at least she’s better than Johnson, thats pretty desperate stuff.StuartDickson said:
Johnson is -30, so my point stands.HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson1 -
You said "ancestor" which means in the direct line of descent.HYUFD said:
Yes, the Princes in the Tower's sister was Henry VII's wife, Henry VIIth's wife was of course related to Andrew via her daughter, Queen Margaret of Scotland.DougSeal said:
Andy is descended from both one of the Princes in the Tower and Prince Fredrick? Pretty radical reinterpretation of English and British history you’ve foisted on us there HYUFD.HYUFD said:
The position of Duke of York is also arguably hereditary, every holder of the title has been one of Andrew's distant ancestors.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I think I am right in saying that the Duke of Marlborough and Lord Brocket couldn't have their honours forfeited as their honours were inherited rather than awarded (i.e. hereditary rather than life honours).HYUFD said:
He is no longer a working royal or with a royal title and only 9th in the line of succession.RobD said:
Also no longer HRH. I guess removing the Dukedom will be the final step, if convicted.Scott_xP said:NEW The Duke of York has been stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen and will not return to official duties. #PrinceAndrew will no longer use his HRH styling in any capacity. Royal sources say the decisions were discussed among the royal family https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1481674822497316875/photo/1
Removing his non royal title however does not follow precedent, even some convicted criminals have kept their titles eg the current Duke of Marlborough or Lord Brocket, who both did their time and are now back in society with their titles still
I believe the remit of the Honours Forfeiture Committee only extends to whether information has come to light since award which means the honour shouldn't have been awarded and forfeiture is needed to secure the integrity of the honours system. But nothing the present Duke of Marlborough has done calls into question the decision by Queen Anne or whoever it was in respect of the 1st Duke (I mean, you can argue hereditary titles are completely unjustifiable but that's a general point, creates a bit of a problem for the monarchy, and would require legislation to change).
The Duke of York was created as a hereditary title for a non firstborn son of the monarch eg the 1st Duke of York, Edmund Langley, was son of King Edward IIIrd
Prince Frederick was Queen Victoria's uncle, thus also related to Andrew0 -
I am very relieved the Met will not act before Sue Gray's report which is due in 10 days, but would have been kicked into the long grass and this political crisis seeing no endingMoonRabbit said:
Sounds wrong. But Sue would have to stop and wait for them, delaying from end of next week till who knows when?Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
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All the reports I generate are from the Dashboard data via their open api -MattW said:
Do you happen to have a link to an example of such a report?Malmesbury said:
Someone is using reporting day numbers.. Someone is being naughty {kicks the cage of flying lawyers with baseball bats}MattW said:
Where does this alleged 300+ number come from?TimS said:
The recent rise in deaths does look too rapid and lacking in medical logic. A number of people have pointed out that prevalence rates in the community mean that the incidental "with Covid" rates would be expected to be high. On a population wide basis if 5-10% of people had it at any one time then 5-10% of total deaths (of a few thousand) would be around 50-100 per day I think.Pulpstar said:
Case rate amongst 90+ in England peaked on Jan 4th, so I'd expect deaths by specimen to peak around 18th. There's the eternal backfilling too so reported deaths could stay high for a while.TheWhiteRabbit said:Big fall in cases, even allowing for Scottish LFTs.
Hospital admissions + number flat.
Deaths remain a concern but should follow suit.
But that still doesn't explain 300+. Either it's true Omicron mortality, but the ICU stats give the lie to that, or it's:
- Christmas backfilling (but that would imply Delta deaths in December were higher than we thought, which in hindsight is bad news), or
- Prevalence in hospitals and care homes significantly higher than the UK average. Possible, especially in hospitals - though no hard evidence of that
I have yet to see it on the Coronavirus Dashboard.
Actual numbers...
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/developers-guide/main-api
The actual query for this data is
https://api.coronavirus.data.gov.uk/v1/data?page=1&filters=areaType=overview&structure={"date":"date","areaName":"areaName","areaType":"areaType","areaCode":"areaCode","cases":"newCasesBySpecimenDate","deaths":"newDeaths28DaysByDeathDate","hospitalCases":"hospitalCases","newAdmissions":"newAdmissions","covidOccupiedMVBeds":"covidOccupiedMVBeds","newPillarOne":"newPillarOneTestsByPublishDate","newPillarTwo":"newPillarTwoTestsByPublishDate","cumAdmissionsByAge":"cumAdmissionsByAge","femaleCases":"femaleCases","maleCases":"maleCases","cumFirstDose":"cumPeopleVaccinatedFirstDoseByPublishDate","cumSecondDose":"cumPeopleVaccinatedSecondDoseByPublishDate"}
It gets other UK level data, but the "deaths" field in the returned JSON is the one you want....0 -
Boris being Dick's boss is an issue now...0
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Why hasn't Patel stripped her of her British citizenship yet?MattW said:
That was Ghislaine Maxwell's mistake.Malmesbury said:
And be defended by a range of people who now condemning him.NorthofStoke said:
Good suggestion, if he can set himself up as a film director he will be beyond the reach of US law.StuartDickson said:
No way he will be allowed to stand beside her at the jubilee. He’d be better off emigrating. How about Paris?Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
She is a French citizen.
She had the opportunity, and also a (maybe) role model.0 -
He still shot it. It was hardly likely to miss him much.IanB2 said:
TBF, he loved his dog.Nigel_Foremain said:
A bit like saying someone is more compassionate than HitlerTaz said:
When you’re benchmarking her against Johnson, effectively saying ‘at least she’s better than Johnson, thats pretty desperate stuff.StuartDickson said:
Johnson is -30, so my point stands.HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson0 -
Standard:
The Standard was told that three members of the executive of the 1922 Committee of backbench Tory MPs have handed in letters of no confidence in Mr Johnson
Four senior Tories have gone public in calling for Mr Johnson to resign including Scottish leader Mr Ross, Mr Wragg, former minister Caroline Nokes, and ex-leader of the Tories in Scotland Baroness Davidson0 -
I agree. I feared the same. But technically it wrong. So technically wrong but we are still happy?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am very relieved the Met will not act before Sue Gray's report which is due in 10 days, but would have been kicked into the long grass and this political crisis seeing no endingMoonRabbit said:
Sounds wrong. But Sue would have to stop and wait for them, delaying from end of next week till who knows when?Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
Full statement 👇 https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481678636096892929/photo/1
Maybe they made the statement because of all the calls from number 10 saying “please investigate me” 😆1 -
“I was trying to come up with a comparison to Boris’s ‘I thought it was a work event’ and all I can think of are those people who go into hospital with a bottle stuck up their bum and claim they slipped and fell onto it.”2
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He may loved Eva Braun in a strange way, in as much as it's possible for a damaged sociopath to love someone, or anything.Nigel_Foremain said:
He still shot it. It was hardly likely to miss him much.IanB2 said:
TBF, he loved his dog.Nigel_Foremain said:
A bit like saying someone is more compassionate than HitlerTaz said:
When you’re benchmarking her against Johnson, effectively saying ‘at least she’s better than Johnson, thats pretty desperate stuff.StuartDickson said:
Johnson is -30, so my point stands.HYUFD said:
Sturgeon has a -20% approval now, even if she has not yet plumbed to Salmond depthsStuartDickson said:
Nicola Sturgeon is rated higher among the English than Boris Johnson.HYUFD said:
Certainly not the SNPTheuniondivvie said:
Tories do the best thing for the Tory party.HYUFD said:
A tough personal decision for the Queen no doubt but as usual she has done the best thing for the royal family.Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Queen removes military titles from Prince Andrew. https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1481674113752215552/photo/1
Note he is no longer referred to as HRH either, just the Duke of York and confirmed Andrew will do no further public duties as now
HMQ does the best thing for her family.
Who's left to the best thing for the country?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Nicola_Sturgeon
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My guess is that the police saw no upside. Get involved and effectively stretch out/blur the issue, and potentially start yet another political fight of police vs politicians.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am very relieved the Met will not act before Sue Gray's report which is due in 10 days, but would have been kicked into the long grass and this political crisis seeing no endingMoonRabbit said:
Sounds wrong. But Sue would have to stop and wait for them, delaying from end of next week till who knows when?Scott_xP said:BREAKING: The Metropolitan Police will NOT investigate any of the Downing Street parties unless and until the Sue Gray inquiry finds evidence of criminality.
ie the Met are relying on an internal inquiry to decide for them whether a crime was committed.
Full statement 👇 https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481678636096892929/photo/1
Everyone who went to Oxford between the late 80s and the early 2000s thinks that the police are completely corrupt and useless already... Why *really* make enemies of the next cabinet. Half of whom....1
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