The Johnson exit betting now has 2022 as a 61% chance – politicalbetting.com
As can be seen from the chart the BoJo exit date betting, as you might expect, has been very active today and now punters rate it as a 61% chance that he will be out this year.
No way. Not a chance. None. Nada. He won’t quit. There aren’t enough MPs even willing to risk one of these fabled letters on an anonymous basis for fear of what comes next. He’s the nation’s collective penance for whatever ill has offended the Almighty and we shall all suffer accordingly for another three years.
About suffering they were never wrong, The old Masters: how well they understood Its human position: how it takes place While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along; How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting For the miraculous birth, there always must be Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating On a pond at the edge of the wood: They never forgot That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course Anyhow, in a corner, some untidy spot Where the dogs go on with their doggy life, and the torturer's horse Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
Sure, every human tragedy is a yooman tragedy, but shit happens irrespective of what anyone else is doing. While your spouse of 50 years is dying someone somewhere is having a dump/wank/gin and tonic. This stuff is being overplayed. Not that I'm not delighted it is, mind.
Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.
Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.
Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.
A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
Or he narrowly wins a VONC and the next leaked video/email/photo appears...
Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.
Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.
A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
What about the argument though, your view is a bit binary? In or out. Leave remain. And Brexit always means Brexit.
There is probably a billion changes that can be made to Boris Brexit and it could still be called Brexit?
And the question, is there only one direction for Brexit from here? It can probably go this way or that. To me it’s unclear if Boris is a blocker or enabler in now divulging from the European social model, many would call true Brexit and the whole point of doing Brexit.
I’ll give you one policy example in how Brexit can change if there is new leadership, but still be Brexit means Brexit. Many business backers of Brexit didn’t like Boris tough stance on visa’s in face of too many vacancies hurting business, new leadership could have a more business friendly approach on that question. The temporary workers that get the harvest in, cooks in care homes, waitress in hotels etc
Christ. This lass claims the medics treating her father asked for Amazon vouchers so they could buy PPE.
I would be a little bit wary as that is a spokesperson for the Momentum front group who have been shall we say a little bit dishonest themselves in the past.
I remarked last night that the processing of two years of trauma was beginning. And that a tsunami of anger is coming. Wiser Tories may reflect that it may be better to dump the detritus on BoJo. He can, at least, make himself useful as national scapegoat. A change of face won't prevent the emotional outpouring. May just cement the Conservative as the target.
Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.
Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.
A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
One of the problem of our delinquent would be world king is that all the government's efforts are going into fighting for his survival rather than actually tackling the problems of the country. Its going to be five wasted years.
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.
People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.
More fool the tories if they leave him in place.
No they won't but I cant pretend that on a scale of taking us out of the EU so he could become PM by using some of the most odious xenophobia since Powell, a drinks party in Downing Street doesn't register very highly.
Though anything that removes the spivvy little man is welcome particularly if he takes Patel with him
Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.
Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.
A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
Indeed. The Mail and Telegraph are unhappy with Boris on policy as well, particularly the NI rise and green policies
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
I would add that waiting the short time to Sue Gray's report is wise as she is reporting on all the alleged parties, and I would expect further revelations may well result in Boris resigning, or at the very least Brady telling him to do so
I would just say that those who hope Boris going will see a movement to rejoin the EU will be very disappointed though an improved relationship outside the EU would be desirable
I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.
People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.
More fool the tories if they leave him in place.
Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
May elections will combine this shitshow of lies about parties and ludicrous denial about it was a work meeting with a massive cost of living energy bill and NI uplift.
Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.
Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.
A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
One of the problem of our delinquent would be world king is that all the government's efforts are going into fighting for his survival rather than actually tackling the problems of the country. Its going to be five wasted years.
That actually is interesting, and surely a no brainer. The dangers of these microplastics getting into our food chain are manifest.
And anyway you are grossly exaggerating. 4 more years. Tops.
Are we getting to the point when laying a 2022 departure is getting a whiff of value about it? When you remember the cringingly embarrassing way in which Tory backbenchers let the wretched May hang on and on and on despite losing what anyone else would have regarded as votes of no confidence time after time you begin to wonder. And this party is much more united on some things than hers was with the 3rd column Boris so brutally dispatched.
Yes, and the craven moral cowardice of the planted questions at PMQs shows how little spine they have.
A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
You don't think washing machine regulations were the issue of the moment? With all this spinning going on it seemed to me to be highly timely.
One of the problem of our delinquent would be world king is that all the government's efforts are going into fighting for his survival rather than actually tackling the problems of the country. Its going to be five wasted years.
Indeed. Only this Pharaoh isn't going to listen to Moses.
I do not envy Sue Gray. She is forever either going to be the woman who brought down a PM or a Hutton-esque figure. I bet that wasn’t in her job description.
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
No doubt they are massive supporters of his levelling up agenda.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.
People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.
More fool the tories if they leave him in place.
Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
May elections will combine this shitshow of lies about parties and ludicrous denial about it was a work meeting with a massive cost of living energy bill and NI uplift.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.
People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.
More fool the tories if they leave him in place.
Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
May elections will combine this shitshow of lies about parties and ludicrous denial about it was a work meeting with a massive cost of living energy bill and NI uplift.
Slaughter in the shires.
Sadly no vote in my County where the Tories are one short of a majority, and now reliant on the votes of eccentric, and not at all moderate, independents. Sighs.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
Really! I thought most people in the City would be delighted if Brexit was put at risk. Are you sure 'the City' wasn't Hartlepool?
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
He's doing worse than a French President, that truly is a national embarrassment, Boris Johnson needs to go now.
Worse than that, he's doing worse than the worst ever French President.
Not forgetting the one that fell out of a train while drunk, the one who turned up at a formal dinner with all his medals on but nothing else at all and the one who died of a heart attack while being fellated.
I would have thought "dying of a heart attack while being fellated AND BEING FRENCH PRESIDENT" would make him a French national hero
He's certainly in my top ten politicians of all time, and I've only just heard of him
I'm surprised that there was no love shown on here for Paris Police 1900 recently on BBC4 which starts with the act of death by BJ and goes on to all sorts of fin de siècle debauchery. I loved it.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
I am not sure how they could safely get him down. Taser and a mattress, and hope he landed in the right place?
Fuck it, if he broke a limb who cares. If he broke his neck who cares. He was publicly smashing up publicly owned art. Can you imagine the police of any previous generation standing underneath him, FOR TWO HOURS, as he smashed up a statue, and all they can do is impotently bleat "please come down and we can talk about it"??
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
Really! I thought most people in the City would be delighted if Brexit was put at risk. Are you sure the City wasn't Hartlepool?
He said hedge managers, the scum of the city. The city gents were mostly pro-remain.
I do not envy Sue Gray. She is forever either going to be the woman who brought down a PM or a Hutton-esque figure. I bet that wasn’t in her job description.
I am sure there would be a very long queue to be 'the woman who brought down' this PM.
Really interesting that Brexiters seem very nervous about its prospects now. As if removing the chief salesman might dispel the illusion that it made any sense. Like the Doors after Jim Morrison.
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
Really! I thought most people in the City would be delighted if Brexit was put at risk. Are you sure the City wasn't Hartlepool?
There are two schools of thought in finance circles - those who are against Brexit because they think it means they will have less money, and those who are in favour of it because they think it means they will have more money. It's a very principled debate.
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
The problem for Boris is that it’s very hard to blow off this scandal. It impacts people personally. It’s not just some theoretical wrongdoing that people can rationalise as a “but he’s on my side so I can live with it.”
The longer he is allowed to continue in office the longer the rot will spread and contaminate even more of the Tory Party and its policy ambitions with every passing week. They should just take a swig of bourbon and cut off the infection. It’s hard to see how the patient survives otherwise.
I think it will be the May locals which will do for Boris Johnson.
People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.
More fool the tories if they leave him in place.
Well then, let us hope they keep him in charge and REALLY trash their electoral prospects
May elections will combine this shitshow of lies about parties and ludicrous denial about it was a work meeting with a massive cost of living energy bill and NI uplift.
Slaughter in the shires.
The shires aren’t voting much. The big elections are in London, Birmingham, Scotland, Wales.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
He's doing worse than a French President, that truly is a national embarrassment, Boris Johnson needs to go now.
Worse than that, he's doing worse than the worst ever French President.
Not forgetting the one that fell out of a train while drunk, the one who turned up at a formal dinner with all his medals on but nothing else at all and the one who died of a heart attack while being fellated.
I would have thought "dying of a heart attack while being fellated AND BEING FRENCH PRESIDENT" would make him a French national hero
He's certainly in my top ten politicians of all time, and I've only just heard of him
I'm surprised that there was no love shown on here for Paris Police 1900 recently on BBC4 which starts with the act of death by BJ and goes on to all sorts of fin de siècle debauchery. I loved it.
It was excellent - I mentioned it at the fag-end of the previous thread. Looking forward to series 2.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
I am not sure how they could safely get him down. Taser and a mattress, and hope he landed in the right place?
Fuck it, if he broke a limb who cares. If he broke his neck who cares. He was publicly smashing up publicly owned art. Can you imagine the police of any previous generation standing underneath him, FOR TWO HOURS, as he smashed up a statue, and all they can do is impotently bleat "please come down and we can talk about it"??
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
No doubt they are massive supporters of his levelling up agenda.
I think you are right in your point. Brexit voters maybe should be considered as a coalition, not a settled block, not all on the same side at all how they wish to pull it now. The correct way to view Brexit is like the hedgers in the anecdote, Brexit is not binary, it’s not a done deal or static in the direction it can now take.
In my view under Rishi’s new leadership, there will be a more pragmatic approach to business need which Boris is clearly blocking. And that’s the main driver of his downfall.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
More likely because they hadn't done a risk assessment on climbing up to get him.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
Wasn't it more of the issue with the guy's safety? He was up a ladder and so on. Possibly mentally unstable?
Leon has found a reason to attack the forces of wokery. Leave him be, he is happy.
Even when it's an anti woke nutter attacking a statue, it's the fault of the woke. It must be wonderful to be someone for whom every question has the same answer.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
I am not sure how they could safely get him down. Taser and a mattress, and hope he landed in the right place?
Fuck it, if he broke a limb who cares. If he broke his neck who cares. He was publicly smashing up publicly owned art. Can you imagine the police of any previous generation standing underneath him, FOR TWO HOURS, as he smashed up a statue, and all they can do is impotently bleat "please come down and we can talk about it"??
We are a defeated culture
Chaos under Ed Miliband.
If I could wind back the clock to 2015 and take chaos with Ed Miliband right now, I wouldn’t think twice.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
More likely because they hadn't done a risk assessment on climbing up to get him.
Also the “noose all paedos” he scrawled on it sounds more QAnon than woke to me.
He's doing worse than a French President, that truly is a national embarrassment, Boris Johnson needs to go now.
Worse than that, he's doing worse than the worst ever French President.
Not forgetting the one that fell out of a train while drunk, the one who turned up at a formal dinner with all his medals on but nothing else at all and the one who died of a heart attack while being fellated.
I would have thought "dying of a heart attack while being fellated AND BEING FRENCH PRESIDENT" would make him a French national hero
He's certainly in my top ten politicians of all time, and I've only just heard of him
I'm surprised that there was no love shown on here for Paris Police 1900 recently on BBC4 which starts with the act of death by BJ and goes on to all sorts of fin de siècle debauchery. I loved it.
It was excellent - I mentioned it at the fag-end of the previous thread. Looking forward to series 2.
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
No doubt they are massive supporters of his levelling up agenda.
I think you are right in your point. Brexit voters maybe should be considered as a coalition, not a settled block, not all on the same side at all how they wish to pull it now. The correct way to view Brexit is like the hedgers in the anecdote, Brexit is not binary, it’s not a done deal or static in the direction it can now take.
In my view under Rishi’s new leadership, there will be a more pragmatic approach to business need which Boris is clearly blocking. And that’s the main driver of his downfall.
Finance people are all over Dishy Rishi like the proverbial rash, believe me.
I do not envy Sue Gray. She is forever either going to be the woman who brought down a PM or a Hutton-esque figure. I bet that wasn’t in her job description.
Gray's anatomy of events is going to be quite the season finale.
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
Wasn't it more of the issue with the guy's safety? He was up a ladder and so on. Possibly mentally unstable?
Leon has found a reason to attack the forces of wokery. Leave him be, he is happy.
Even when it's an anti woke nutter attacking a statue, it's the fault of the woke. It must be wonderful to be someone for whom every question has the same answer.
Or, more simply, I disapprove of public art being randomly vandalised and the fucking idiot thugs that do it getting away with it. This applies to the anti-paedo nutter attacking the Gill statue AND the posho twats rolling Colston into the river
I submit that my position is the opinion held by most people in this country. Don't go around smashing up or destroying art. If you dislike the art, for whatever reason, we are a democracy and you have multiple avenues to express your discontent and see your iconoclastic desires realised, or not
That's the whole damn point of a democracy. All else is mob rule, or a police state. Take your pick
He's doing worse than a French President, that truly is a national embarrassment, Boris Johnson needs to go now.
Worse than that, he's doing worse than the worst ever French President.
Not forgetting the one that fell out of a train while drunk, the one who turned up at a formal dinner with all his medals on but nothing else at all and the one who died of a heart attack while being fellated.
I would have thought "dying of a heart attack while being fellated AND BEING FRENCH PRESIDENT" would make him a French national hero
He's certainly in my top ten politicians of all time, and I've only just heard of him
I'm surprised that there was no love shown on here for Paris Police 1900 recently on BBC4 which starts with the act of death by BJ and goes on to all sorts of fin de siècle debauchery. I loved it.
It was excellent - I mentioned it at the fag-end of the previous thread. Looking forward to series 2.
1) The party was Boris's idea 2) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea but with Boris's approval 3) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea with Boris not really knowing but not being bothered about it
I think we can discount:
4) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea with Boris not really knowing but being unhappy about it
Well done that Bristol jury. The police were too scared to intervene as a man set about the Gill sculpture (one of the most poetic pieces of public statuary in central London) so he was allowed to continue for two hours, thereby significantly damaging it, and the cops did absolutely nothing. They merely bleated "please come down and we can talk about it"
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
I am not sure how they could safely get him down. Taser and a mattress, and hope he landed in the right place?
Fuck it, if he broke a limb who cares. If he broke his neck who cares. He was publicly smashing up publicly owned art. Can you imagine the police of any previous generation standing underneath him, FOR TWO HOURS, as he smashed up a statue, and all they can do is impotently bleat "please come down and we can talk about it"??
We are a defeated culture
Chaos under Ed Miliband.
If I could wind back the clock to 2015 and take chaos with Ed Miliband right now, I wouldn’t think twice.
Yep. It's pretty galling to have one of the most outspoken Tories and Brexiters on here burbling about
"We are a defeated culture."
When he's been on the winning side in every single last fucking vote since 2005, while the "woke" have lost every one. If we are a defeated culture, then whose bloody fault is it?
Henry Zeffman @hzeffman EXCLUSIVE Times/YouGov poll gives Labour their biggest lead since Dec 2013
Lab 38 (+1) Con 28 (-5) LDem 13 (+3) Green 7 (+1) RefUK 4 (-1)
Labour still only on 38%, could have been far worse than that. I was expecting Labour to at least hit 40% after this onslaught and be over 10% ahead and be back to near Blair pre 1997 levels based on all the hype. Instead Starmer merely matching Ed Miliband's lead over Cameron in December 2013.
So movement to the LDs and RefUK still on 4% and clearly some Tories gone DK but those can be reclaimed. However I would expect a VONC still in due course, though on those numbers Boris could still survive it
Just had dinner/pub with some City associates, a few donors among them. Until now they've been behind Boris, willing to laugh off any suggestions that he personally had broken lockdowns. The mood has definitely soured. Lots of personal anger that weddings and funerals were cancelled in lockdown while Boris partied at Number 10.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
No doubt they are massive supporters of his levelling up agenda.
I think you are right in your point. Brexit voters maybe should be considered as a coalition, not a settled block, not all on the same side at all how they wish to pull it now. The correct way to view Brexit is like the hedgers in the anecdote, Brexit is not binary, it’s not a done deal or static in the direction it can now take.
In my view under Rishi’s new leadership, there will be a more pragmatic approach to business need which Boris is clearly blocking. And that’s the main driver of his downfall.
Finance people are all over Dishy Rishi like the proverbial rash, believe me.
It’s all becoming a bit understandable and predictable isn’t it.
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https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1481381468173737984
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1481356695590813699
Don't remember the details, but perhaps worth re-perusing at this juncture
You're interrupting my feistiness
It is, by the way, a sensational wine. The viticulture of Moldova is a fucking revelation
https://vidawines.co.uk/product/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra/
https://www.decanter.com/wine-reviews/moldova/valu-lui-traian/fautor-aurore-rara-neagra-valu-lui-traian-moldova-2018-51902
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/2904516/boris-johnson-garden-party-apology/?utm_source=twitter via @thecourieruk
The old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position: how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow, in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life, and the torturer's horse
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
Sure, every human tragedy is a yooman tragedy, but shit happens irrespective of what anyone else is doing. While your spouse of 50 years is dying someone somewhere is having a dump/wank/gin and tonic. This stuff is being overplayed. Not that I'm not delighted it is, mind.
Because the wine is just amazing. This is maybe the 3rd or 4th stunner I have tried
All of south east European wine is making a stellar comeback (the new Greek white wines! Ah!) but Moldova in particular is superb value
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Meanwhile Johnson thought his staff having drinks in the sunshine were working.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/boris-johnson-buys-time-with-apology-but-u-k-tory-rage-simmers
Spineless
People aren't going to forget nor forgive this.
More fool the tories if they leave him in place.
A very plausible outcome of a VONC is Johnson winning because of various factions trying to prevent a rival from winning. Then we have to wait for 2023 for the next go.
There is probably a billion changes that can be made to Boris Brexit and it could still be called Brexit?
And the question, is there only one direction for Brexit from here? It can probably go this way or that. To me it’s unclear if Boris is a blocker or enabler in now divulging from the European social model, many would call true Brexit and the whole point of doing Brexit.
I’ll give you one policy example in how Brexit can change if there is new leadership, but still be Brexit means Brexit. Many business backers of Brexit didn’t like Boris tough stance on visa’s in face of too many vacancies hurting business, new leadership could have a more business friendly approach on that question. The temporary workers that get the harvest in, cooks in care homes, waitress in hotels etc
A change of face won't prevent the emotional outpouring. May just cement the Conservative as the target.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/21/washing-machines-filters-microplastic-pollution-microfibres
One of the problem of our delinquent would be world king is that all the government's efforts are going into fighting for his survival rather than actually tackling the problems of the country. Its going to be five wasted years.
It's generally a group that is reliably pro-Boris and they've all deserted him.
The big change I saw tonight was that where until now the worry is that a new leader might put Brexit at risk of backsliding, now Boris staying and losing to Labour is seen as the big risk to ensuring Brexit isn't watered down. I think that view is probably shared by the ERG. Keeping Boris is seen as the riskier Brexit option for the Spartans than dumping him, at least that's the view I got today from City hedgies.
Though anything that removes the spivvy little man is welcome particularly if he takes Patel with him
Literally.
We are lost. We have lost all cultural backbone and self confidence. We are finished as a civilisation, from Paris to Portland Place, from Seattle to Saint Denis. Endgame
We will probably be allowed to boast about our property prices for a few more years
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/central-london-bbc-headquarters-statue-eric-gill-b976377.html
Civil war, or at least incivility, within the Tories.
I would just say that those who hope Boris going will see a movement to rejoin the EU will be very disappointed though an improved relationship outside the EU would be desirable
Slaughter in the shires.
And anyway you are grossly exaggerating. 4 more years. Tops.
Laura K.
Sighs.
Been told Douglas Ross said to his MSPs that in his conversation with the PM earlier Johnson couldn’t guarantee there wasn’t more to come out
https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1481341614371086336
We are a defeated culture
Like the Doors after Jim Morrison.
The longer he is allowed to continue in office the longer the rot will spread and contaminate even more of the Tory Party and its policy ambitions with every passing week. They should just take a swig of bourbon and cut off the infection. It’s hard to see how the patient survives otherwise.
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‘Really appreciate you making sure I wasn’t the main story on tomorrow’s front pages, Boris. I owe you one.’
In my view under Rishi’s new leadership, there will be a more pragmatic approach to business need which Boris is clearly blocking. And that’s the main driver of his downfall.
If not why was Chris Bryant wibbling on about her ?
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I submit that my position is the opinion held by most people in this country. Don't go around smashing up or destroying art. If you dislike the art, for whatever reason, we are a democracy and you have multiple avenues to express your discontent and see your iconoclastic desires realised, or not
That's the whole damn point of a democracy. All else is mob rule, or a police state. Take your pick
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/12/rory-kinnear-no-10-lockdown-party-buried-sister
@hzeffman
EXCLUSIVE Times/YouGov poll gives Labour their biggest lead since Dec 2013
Lab 38 (+1)
Con 28 (-5)
LDem 13 (+3)
Green 7 (+1)
RefUK 4 (-1)
1) The party was Boris's idea
2) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea but with Boris's approval
3) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea with Boris not really knowing but not being bothered about it
I think we can discount:
4) The party was Martin Reynolds's idea with Boris not really knowing but being unhappy about it
"We are a defeated culture."
When he's been on the winning side in every single last fucking vote since 2005, while the "woke" have lost every one.
If we are a defeated culture, then whose bloody fault is it?
So movement to the LDs and RefUK still on 4% and clearly some Tories gone DK but those can be reclaimed. However I would expect a VONC still in due course, though on those numbers Boris could still survive it
Con 220
Lib 19
SNP 59
Green 1
Yes that is a Labour Majority.
YouGov gives Labour a 10% lead!
And that's before todays joke excuse about thinking a massive knees up with lashings of booze was a work event drift out to the public.